On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 07:02:36 -0400, something compelled JohnH
, to say:

On 05 Sep 2004 08:00:10 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Why should we be comparing their military records?

John H

Because you guys claim Kerry's makes him unqualified to hold office. That's
why.

We said military service made Kerry unfit? No. He's a liar. Has nothing to do
with how he served.

*Kerry* said his military experience (all sixteen weeks of it)
made him fit for office. Upon inspection, that experience seems
to be largely manufactured, exaggerated, and false.

What has he done in the last ten years that shows he could handle
the job of president?
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Remember that the First Amendment does not protect people from
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speech that is offensive.

Mike Adams - 27 Aug 04

Not knowing the history, I'm wondering if Kerry didn't jump on McCain's band
wagon knowing a good, safe, thing when he saw it.

John H

Learn the history. It won't affect your vote in November, but you will have a
better understanding of just who you're voting against. As you are a Viet Nam
veteran, I'm slightly surprised you weren't aware of the Kerry/McCain efforts
to get a more thorough accounting of our POW's. There's a lot more to John
Kerry than Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh want you to know about.

None of us should ever fear the discovery of truth, even when it challenges
some of our preconceptions.

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Not knowing the history, I'm wondering if Kerry didn't jump on McCain's
band
wagon knowing a good, safe, thing when he saw it.

John H

Learn the history. It won't affect your vote in November, but you will
have a
better understanding of just who you're voting against. As you are a Viet
Nam
veteran, I'm slightly surprised you weren't aware of the Kerry/McCain
efforts
to get a more thorough accounting of our POW's. There's a lot more to John
Kerry than Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh want you to know about.

If was all a whitewash, to put the issue behind us. There are numerous vets
that feel the McCain and Kerry sold us out.

None of us should ever fear the discovery of truth, even when it
challenges
some of our preconceptions.

You are the pot calling the kettle black, again.

JohnH wrote:

On 05 Sep 2004 23:30:40 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Not knowing the history, I'm wondering if Kerry didn't jump on McCain's band
wagon knowing a good, safe, thing when he saw it.

John H

Learn the history. It won't affect your vote in November, but you will have a
better understanding of just who you're voting against. As you are a Viet Nam
veteran, I'm slightly surprised you weren't aware of the Kerry/McCain efforts
to get a more thorough accounting of our POW's. There's a lot more to John
Kerry than Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh want you to know about.

None of us should ever fear the discovery of truth, even when it challenges
some of our preconceptions.


Well, I did come across this article. Does it portray the facts as you know
them?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Why McCain defends Kerry

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: August 10, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com


Why would John McCain characterize the SWIFT Boat vets commercial about John
Kerry as "dishonest and dishonorable"?

Why would he ask President Bush to denounce it?

Why would he say something similar was "pulled" on him when he seeking the
Republican presidential nomination in 2000?

Americans are supposed to respect Sen. John McCain because he is a war hero. But
is he? And why is he so determined to defend John Kerry's dishonorable
activities during and after the Vietnam War?

Now let me begin by saying McCain suffered greatly during his five years of
captivity in the "Hanoi Hilton." But his horrific experiences do not entitle him
to stretch the truth about his captivity at the hands of North Vietnamese
Communists, nor to deceive Americans about his bravery and heroism.

When the Navy pilot was shot down over a lake near Hanoi, his captors did not
know who he was – John McCain, son of the admiral in charge of the Pacific
fleet. McCain was seriously injured in his ejection and in need of medical
attention. In exchange for what passes as first-class care in Vietnam, McCain
talked. He told the North Vietnamese about his father. He told them about the
chain of command. He described himself as one of the "very best pilots" in the
Navy.

Such behavior by a POW is strictly frowned upon in the Uniform Code of Military
Justice and the military code of conduct.

"OK," you say, "McCain should be given a pass for this because he was badly
hurt. Wasn't his behavior at the Hanoi Hilton honorable after he recovered from
his wounds?"

No, not exactly. While serving as a POW, McCain was one of the captives who
agreed to be used for propaganda purposes by the enemy. In fact, some argue that
an interview he gave to a communist publication – detailing an accident aboard
his ship, problems with low morale among U.S. servicemen, the chain of command
in the U.S. Navy and other pertinent information – went far beyond mere
propaganda and crossed the line into disclosing military intelligence secrets.

On June 5, 1969, the Washington Post carried a story titled, "Reds Say PW
Songbird is Pilot Son of Admiral." The article states that, "Hanoi has aired a
broadcast in which the pilot son of United States Commander in the Pacific, Adm.
John McCain, purportedly admits to having bombed civilian targets in North
Vietnam and praises medical treatment he has received since being taken
prisoner."

Worse yet, many years later, when both John McCain and John Kerry were serving
in the U.S. Senate, they teamed up to betray the families of the POWs and MIAs
in favor of sucking up to the murderous Communist Vietnamese regime.

More than any other two men in America, McCain and Kerry orchestrated the
cover-up of what became of our Vietnam POWs and MIAs.

As chairman of the Select Senate Committee on POW-MIA Affairs, Kerry gave Hanoi
a clean bill of health with regard to credible claims Vietnam was still holding
U.S. prisoners of war. Kerry ensured the committee voted that no U.S. servicemen
remained there, angering many families of missing servicemen.

McCain served along with Kerry on that committee. According to Ted Samply,
writing in the January 1997 issue of U.S. Veteran Dispatch, McCain enjoyed
dismal relations with many POW-MIA families and activists. McCain said some
harsh words about those who accused the U.S. government of knowingly leaving
POWs behind. In fact, he called such people "the most craven, most cynical and
most despicable human beings to ever run a scam." McCain's presence on the
committee and his willingness to go along with Kerry ensured that the final
report would be politically bulletproof.

Kerry got his reward. A year later, Hanoi announced it was awarding Colliers
International, a Boston-based real estate company, an exclusive deal to develop
its commercial real estate potentially worth billions. Stuart Forbes, the chief
executive officer of Colliers, was Kerry's cousin.

One wonders what McCain's reward might be? What was in the cover-up for him? Why
has he become an apologist for John Kerry's despicable and dishonorable record
in Vietnam and, worse, his actions afterward?

Maybe it's just something about the character of John McCain. Maybe birds of a
feather just flock together. Maybe this is why you should take anything McCain
says about Kerry with a grain of salt.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!


Herring has a hard-on for McCain because deep in his heart, McCain knows
Bush is a worthless turd.

--
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
And don't forget to pay your taxes so the rich don't have to!

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:

On 05 Sep 2004 23:30:40 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Not knowing the history, I'm wondering if Kerry didn't jump on McCain's
band
wagon knowing a good, safe, thing when he saw it.

John H

Learn the history. It won't affect your vote in November, but you will
have a
better understanding of just who you're voting against. As you are a
Viet Nam
veteran, I'm slightly surprised you weren't aware of the Kerry/McCain
efforts
to get a more thorough accounting of our POW's. There's a lot more to
John
Kerry than Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh want you to know about.

None of us should ever fear the discovery of truth, even when it
challenges
some of our preconceptions.


Well, I did come across this article. Does it portray the facts as you
know
them?


--------------------------------------------------------------------------
------
Why McCain defends Kerry


--------------------------------------------------------------------------
------
Posted: August 10, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com


Why would John McCain characterize the SWIFT Boat vets commercial about
John
Kerry as "dishonest and dishonorable"?

Why would he ask President Bush to denounce it?

Why would he say something similar was "pulled" on him when he seeking
the
Republican presidential nomination in 2000?

Americans are supposed to respect Sen. John McCain because he is a war
hero. But
is he? And why is he so determined to defend John Kerry's dishonorable
activities during and after the Vietnam War?

Now let me begin by saying McCain suffered greatly during his five years
of
captivity in the "Hanoi Hilton." But his horrific experiences do not
entitle him
to stretch the truth about his captivity at the hands of North
Vietnamese
Communists, nor to deceive Americans about his bravery and heroism.

When the Navy pilot was shot down over a lake near Hanoi, his captors
did not
know who he was – John McCain, son of the admiral in charge of the
Pacific
fleet. McCain was seriously injured in his ejection and in need of
medical
attention. In exchange for what passes as first-class care in Vietnam,
McCain
talked. He told the North Vietnamese about his father. He told them
about the
chain of command. He described himself as one of the "very best pilots"
in the
Navy.

Such behavior by a POW is strictly frowned upon in the Uniform Code of
Military
Justice and the military code of conduct.

"OK," you say, "McCain should be given a pass for this because he was
badly
hurt. Wasn't his behavior at the Hanoi Hilton honorable after he
recovered from
his wounds?"

No, not exactly. While serving as a POW, McCain was one of the captives
who
agreed to be used for propaganda purposes by the enemy. In fact, some
argue that
an interview he gave to a communist publication – detailing an accident
aboard
his ship, problems with low morale among U.S. servicemen, the chain of
command
in the U.S. Navy and other pertinent information – went far beyond mere
propaganda and crossed the line into disclosing military intelligence
secrets.

On June 5, 1969, the Washington Post carried a story titled, "Reds Say
PW
Songbird is Pilot Son of Admiral." The article states that, "Hanoi has
aired a
broadcast in which the pilot son of United States Commander in the
Pacific, Adm.
John McCain, purportedly admits to having bombed civilian targets in
North
Vietnam and praises medical treatment he has received since being taken
prisoner."

Worse yet, many years later, when both John McCain and John Kerry were
serving
in the U.S. Senate, they teamed up to betray the families of the POWs
and MIAs
in favor of sucking up to the murderous Communist Vietnamese regime.

More than any other two men in America, McCain and Kerry orchestrated
the
cover-up of what became of our Vietnam POWs and MIAs.

As chairman of the Select Senate Committee on POW-MIA Affairs, Kerry
gave Hanoi
a clean bill of health with regard to credible claims Vietnam was still
holding
U.S. prisoners of war. Kerry ensured the committee voted that no U.S.
servicemen
remained there, angering many families of missing servicemen.

McCain served along with Kerry on that committee. According to Ted
Samply,
writing in the January 1997 issue of U.S. Veteran Dispatch, McCain
enjoyed
dismal relations with many POW-MIA families and activists. McCain said
some
harsh words about those who accused the U.S. government of knowingly
leaving
POWs behind. In fact, he called such people "the most craven, most
cynical and
most despicable human beings to ever run a scam." McCain's presence on
the
committee and his willingness to go along with Kerry ensured that the
final
report would be politically bulletproof.

Kerry got his reward. A year later, Hanoi announced it was awarding
Colliers
International, a Boston-based real estate company, an exclusive deal to
develop
its commercial real estate potentially worth billions. Stuart Forbes,
the chief
executive officer of Colliers, was Kerry's cousin.

One wonders what McCain's reward might be? What was in the cover-up for
him? Why
has he become an apologist for John Kerry's despicable and dishonorable
record
in Vietnam and, worse, his actions afterward?

Maybe it's just something about the character of John McCain. Maybe
birds of a
feather just flock together. Maybe this is why you should take anything
McCain
says about Kerry with a grain of salt.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!


Herring has a hard-on for McCain because deep in his heart, McCain knows
Bush is a worthless turd.

McCain is a whiner as is his buddy and co-conspirator Kerry. Neither of them
is fit to be president of this country.

Well, I did come across this article. Does it portray the facts as you know
them?

Good lord John. Do you sit and read hateful crap all day?

That "article" is a classic propaganda piece, and strictly an editorial. It has
distorted a group of selected factoids to express the writer's fu'd rage and
lead the reader to false conclusions.

********

Funny to watch how you process data.
First, you admit to being unfamiliar with Kerry's role in the POW/MIA affair,
and then you sort through everything you can find to discover the most
inflammatory item available to promote your main agenda- *despite* you
admitted lack of information on the topic.

There's almost no chance you'd care to read anything that isn't frothing with
anti-Kerry emotions and actually attempts to deal with fact, but just in
case........


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2004Jan2.html

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On 06 Sep 2004 05:12:03 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Used to have a saying back on the farm, "Worthless as tits on a boar
hog."
Ring
any bells?

Yep. Sounds kinda lika edge-you-kationally challenged upbringin', if ya
asks
me.

People should not be encouraged to think in sound bytes, homilies, and
stereotypes.

Did you apply that to the post by Harry to which my comment was directed?
Or do
you actually approve of Harry's posts?

John, I am suprised that you haven't caught onto Chuckies MO yet. Chuckie
will not condem a fellow liberal/progressive, period. Chuckie will verbally
squirm, wiggle and turn to deflect the issue.

JohnH wrote:



Used to have a saying back on the farm, "Worthless as tits on a boar hog." Ring
any bells?

John H


Nope. I'm a city boy. Does it mean that back on your farm, you had sex
with hogs and its teats were too far away for you to reach around?

Did you have to get liquored up before fornicating with the hogs?


--
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
And don't forget to pay your taxes so the rich don't have to!

John, I am suprised that you haven't caught onto Chuckies MO yet. Chuckie
will not condem a fellow liberal/progressive, period. Chuckie will verbally
squirm, wiggle and turn to deflect the issue.


Chuckie makes a valid effort to stick to issues, nor personalities. Not 100%
successful all the time, but always trying.

I don't argue with Harry very often, because we are on the same side of many,
but not all, issues. Last time I blasted Harry was earlier today when he called
you guys "scumbags", and prior to that might have been when he was so gleeful
about the Michael Moore film's release.