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Say NO NO NO to Wal-Mart!!!
"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message ... What you say is true, but isn't it also the American way to buy American? If we buy foreign, won't we have to match the wages paid to foreign workers to stay competitive. What kind of Texan would do well on a staple diet of rice? What kind of boat could you afford with the competitor's wages? It's nice to get the cheapest price, but what will it do to America in the long run. I'll pay more to support my neighbor's job. I hope he'll support mine. Paul Go through your house. Toss everything that is not all 100% US made. Write back and tell us what you have left. Even a lot of parts you have on your "American" Chevy or Ford were made out of the US. Don't forget those. Steve |
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If you consider the quality of these employees, you would find them at the local
Taco Bell or on the street if they didn't work there. We're not talking about skilled labor. These are generally kids who only show up for a paycheck. Dan Harry Krause wrote: Roy wrote: Well if Wal Mart is continually rolling back prices everyday as they claim to be, then, why is nothing being given away for free yet? Inquiring minds want to know! Visit my website: http://www.frugalmachinist.com Opinions expressed are those of my wifes, I had no input whatsoever. Remove "nospam" from email addy. Their employees are almost free... |
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"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message ... Chuck, Correct, after they corner the market, they can charge what ever they like, they'll be no more competitors left. Paul Then somebody else will open another store. Its not like there is a limited supply of stores that can ever be opened. |
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Dan Krueger wrote:
If you consider the quality of these employees, you would find them at the local Taco Bell or on the street if they didn't work there. We're not talking about skilled labor. These are generally kids who only show up for a paycheck. Dan Harry Krause wrote: Roy wrote: Well if Wal Mart is continually rolling back prices everyday as they claim to be, then, why is nothing being given away for free yet? Inquiring minds want to know! Visit my website: http://www.frugalmachinist.com Opinions expressed are those of my wifes, I had no input whatsoever. Remove "nospam" from email addy. Their employees are almost free... Most of the folks who work at Wal-Mart are not kids. Many of them depend upon that little Wal-Mart paycheck. These people are being exploited by Wal-Mart, as is just about everyone else. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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Then somebody else will open another store.
and sell what? a retailer needs a supplier not already in bed with Walmart |
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Gould 0738 wrote:
Our jobs are going overseas because our politicians have no interest in fighting corporations from sending jobs overseas. Our jobs are going overseas faster than they would have partially because WALMART is so super aggressive in their buying. It's directly on behalf of you the consumer, you don't "have" to buy any particular thing; however they do "allow" you the choice. I know in a socialist dream system free choice is to be crushed at every opportunity, but you haven't got that far yet & hopefully never will......... When they want to carry toasters, for example, they invite all the major manufacturers of toasters down to Arkansas and pit them against one another. During the last cost cutting cycle, everybody who wanted to sell anyhing to WALMART *had* to go to China for labor or lose out. It's referred to as "competition" Chuckster & I know you like to tag it so it's only competition when it's "competition" on your terms i.e. you win, but sorry competition is competition. It's you the consumer, if you can get the same quality at a lower price , then exercise your free choice & buy what you want. Thank people like Walmart for taking the commercial risks involved in protecting your right to choose. WALMART doesn't tell a mfg that they *must* build in China- only that if they can't meet or beat the price of those who do they are, effectively, out of business starting next month. China is not a "cheap" place to produce as such after all they're communists like Harry:-) Small timers can't just swan into China & exercise their free choice of factory or location like you're used to in the US, no it's all govt. "planned". They have zones which allow certain factories to be built for export & it's mostly only the big people who can meet their endless "rules", then & only then will that factory be "allowed" (licensed) to export. Yes they give free sites in the "zones" & assistance to encourage big players to set up there, however once in operation they try to tax the bejeesus out of any profits etc, needless to say the mostly US owned factories, can play that game reasonably well. The end result is with all the surrounding BS corruption & featherbedding of "licensed" middlemen China is not "cheap. I've commented before don't be overly worried about China, so long as they remain socialist we're safe. What will the next sacrifice be? Quality? Very well maybe, although walmart stuff isn't exactly high tech:-), whatever don't worry about it too much Chuck because you'll still have your free choice to assess if the quality price mix suits you before you buy, just allow every other individual the same free choice that's all. I can assure you if individuals weren't buying things they wouldn't be selling them for long. Or, when WALMART can no longer increase profits by forcing suppliers to cheaper sources of labor, Again this is your socialist mantra, "wages" are a small part of the issue, it's the union demanded BS that really costs & then the silent partners at ever turn which make the license holders, corruption, etc. in China look tame. Even the local council tries to "extra" tax Corps in the GM style what's good for us is good for .... Anyone not subject to rigorous & constant pressure from competition gets slack, excessive wages & perks leach like leeches through every sector, one always trying to best the other & the only thing that puts any sort of lid on it is consumer resistance at the retail level when the price/quality mix gets too far out of whack. will WALMART raise prices? Will we soon be paying as much as we used to pay for a US built, item but buying stuff from China instead? It's always "your" individual choice, there will always be people eager to supply widgets from somewhere, even from within the US at a lower price, it's giving each individual that free choice that you should be worried about protecting, not corrupt union thugs ala Harry. WALMART's vision for America is a place where a $9 an hour job, with no benefits, is a *great* opportunity. They envision a country where obedient workers volunteer to work off the clock every week, and where all will shop a the "company store." This is protectionist poppycock & you have more brains than to just parrot it. If you artificially protect anyone, worker, management, Corp, or whatever from competition they will have no incentive to be efficient. Yes in the short term the "chosen" noisy few will clean up big time because they can just raise prices or lower quality & there's not much you the consumer can do, they've effectively stolen your free choice. These few industries rarely actually sell much overseas because...., well they're overpriced & low quality so other consumers who still have a choice just laugh. Needless to say with no market expansion available these "chosen" noisy few who are effectively stealing from every other non protected worker/consumer just sit back & well...... become Harrys behind their wall of protection & apparent union power. Notice how unions seem to predominate in the industries that need the rest of you to subsidise that sector every time you buy??? even if you purchase the imported item, you're still subsidising the parasites??? So your country gets less & less foreign dollars in to pay these overpriced lower quality manufacturers, which means your country needs to borrow more money from overseas (you're the one wingeing about this just the other day Chuck) so either your currency drops (i.e most things will cost more because debts effectively go up) or your interest rates go up to attract more foreign money (i.e. most things cost more) I give you your car industry as an historical case study or you can watch it in real time with your steel industry. (ours too by the way, but the players are the same:-) In Walmart's world, there is no middle class. Unless $9 an hour, with a few extra hours thrown in unpaid every week, is going to be the new "middle class." It's not the shareholders of Walmart's job to protect you nor anyone else, they take a considerable risk with their own money by investing in walmart, hoping to make a return better than putting it in safe banks interest etc. In order to make that return walmart are just trying to satisfy your demands for products that meet your standards of price vs quality. Sure you can be a good little socialist soldier & refuse to buy things from China in an extra effort to subsidise your unionist mates, or slack management, or voracious local authorities, state govts making unrealistic demands, or the noisy greenies, that's hopefully always your choice & you should be thankful they're there giving it to you. But let others have the same "free" choice. All levels need constant pressure on them to be more efficient particularly in the west the "silent" partners, the instrumentalities, the councils, the state govts, the unilateralists. I give you CA as a case study. (Can it be right 1 in 7 workers is on the govt payroll??? scary bananas!!) In Walmart's World, there are some opportunities for better income. If you're willing to work 50-51 weeks a year, 12-18 hours a day, 6-7 days a week, you can eventually rise to "store manager" and approach 6-figures a year. :-( So what you're saying is all US corps should be "protected" from competition so they can be as inefficient as they like, badly managed as they like, pay whatever their local competition pays when the union make industry wide claims, so even at the individual's level a good hard & smart worker gets no more than a Harry type.??? America won't be great much longer if you try that, even a little. One of the great hypocrisies of the WalMart culture is the great emphasis on quality "family" experiences. How many of the managers working 80 hours a week or more have any quality time left to spend with the family? How many of the people earing $9 an hour get to go home after work, rather than to the second,part time job they need to pay basic living expenses? So again you're a protectionist, which usually means you want someone else to subsidise your lifestyle every time they purchase something, & you want to be exempt from any competitive pressure to individually perform. Thankfully it's mostly only the Harry types that subscribe to this view. K |
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K Smith wrote:
Gould 0738 wrote: Our jobs are going overseas because our politicians have no interest in fighting corporations from sending jobs overseas. Our jobs are going overseas faster than they would have partially because WALMART is so super aggressive in their buying. It's directly on behalf of you the consumer, you don't "have" to buy any particular thing; however they do "allow" you the choice. I know in a socialist dream system free choice is to be crushed at every opportunity, but you haven't got that far yet & hopefully never will......... When they want to carry toasters, for example, they invite all the major manufacturers of toasters down to Arkansas and pit them against one another. During the last cost cutting cycle, everybody who wanted to sell anyhing to WALMART *had* to go to China for labor or lose out. It's referred to as "competition" Chuckster & I know you like to tag it so it's only competition when it's "competition" on your terms i.e. you win, but sorry competition is competition. It's actually the fight for the bottom. You *really* are a corporate whore, Karen. China is not a "cheap" place to produce as such after all they're communists like Harry:-) Small timers can't just swan into China & exercise their free choice of factory or location like you're used to in the US, no it's all govt. "planned". China uses slave labor and labor that is grossly underpaid even by the total absence of any sort of standards. I've commented before don't be overly worried about China, so long as they remain socialist we're safe. Safe from what? You? WALMART's vision for America is a place where a $9 an hour job, with no benefits, is a *great* opportunity. They envision a country where obedient workers volunteer to work off the clock every week, and where all will shop a the "company store." This is protectionist poppycock & you have more brains than to just parrot it. It's absolute truth. Yet another overwrought, right-wing post from Karen Elizabeth Smith of Australia, who once again proves that she doesn't know scheiss from shoepolish. How's that non-existent factory of yours, Karen? Your production line is up to what, zero diesel outboards a week? Cripes, you even stole someone else's trademark. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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"Don Bruder" wrote in message
... Wal-mart forces customers to shop only there through the fact that by sheer size (ignore the pressure they apply to manufacturers that I mentioned above for the moment) they can and do run any other competition in a town out, leaving no option. They don't force the customer to do ANYTHING. Customers get what they deserve. They're lazy, so they never figure out that they can get any product they want, anywhere they want, as cheaply as they can at Wal Mart. 1) Big ticket items: How often does one family buy a TV? So, they buy a $250 Sanyo TV at Wal Mart, and probably never discover that they could've had the same set at Circuit City for the same price or better. Wal Mart may have more stores, but they actually buy less TVs than Best Buy, Sears or Circuit City. The customer doesn't shop for a TV that often, and less "buying cycles" means there's almost no possibility that they'll discover they could've gotten a better deal. 2) Groceries: In fact, if customers did what newspaper reporters sometimes do, and compare prices for SPECIFIC AND EQUIVALENT ITEMS OVER SEVERAL SHOPPING TRIPS, they'd find that they actually spend the same or less at traditional supermarkets. But, customers don't do this. They're sheep. They believe whatever they're told, and WM tells them everything's cheaper there. What's pathetic is that with groceries, you have an opportunity every single week to see that you're being snookered. If your idea of a bargain is saving 82 cents on a $150 cart of groceries, and waiting 40 minutes in line to pay for it, then you're a shmuck, your time is worthless, and you deserve to spend half your afternoon at WM. This is especially true if you make the same mistake 52 or more times per year. 3) Clothing: Who the hell knows? So much of it's proprietary to WM that you can't comparison shop. But, if you can't tell the difference between a $12 Lands End T-shirt that lasts for 8 years and still looks good, and a $2.00 rag from WM, then you should buy the rag. As far as equivalent brands, I just shopped for jeans and found Sears to be a buck cheaper than WM for the exact same product. If WM had my size, I would've bought it, rather than guzzle a gallon of gas going to Sears, but it doesn't change the fact that the jeans would've have been cheaper somewhere else. |
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"Dave Thompson" wrote in message
news:nKOxb.8111$ZE1.2358@fed1read04... It's truly very simple. If the customer wants the 413 gram box, they drive past Wally World and show up at Loblaw's. WAIT! Hasn't that mega-chain run Mom and Pop grocers out of business? Uh....yeah. thirty or forty years ago. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
... Then somebody else will open another store. and sell what? a retailer needs a supplier not already in bed with Walmart The only suppliers that would be fatally hurt without WM are the ones which make their private label goods. As far as being in bed with WM, they treat their suppliers so badly that if another retailer came along who could move the necessary volume, they'd head in that direction very quickly. A friend of mine does sales training, and he was recently speaking to a group of wholesale sporting goods reps. He got a tip: Don't bother looking for a good selection of Shakespeare rods & reels at WM in certain markets. The goods are being shuffled to stores like Gander Mountain Sports, who've insisted that there be "shortages" for Wal Mart. Prices are very slightly higher at Gander Mountain, but nothing that would bother the retail customer. The reasoning my friend was given was very simple: Upscale stores will also sell St Croix & Browning fishing rods, and that lends an air of quality even to the cheaper stuff that's two feet away in the display rack. Shakespeare sells MORE rods, not less. So does Shimano and everyone else. |
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