"jps" wrote in message
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"vze3j5ge" wrote in message
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My husband and I are considering purchase of a used boat - currently
out
of the water at our marina. We've spoken to a marine surveyor we
might
hire who says that the engine can be tested to some extent on land but
that we really should put the boat in the water and check it out.
Seems
reasonable - but my question is one about procedure. Who usually pays
for the marina to put boat in and take it out again in such a case -
buyer or seller?


I never paid a fee for any boat that I sea trialed. I bought 3 of
them...and walked away from a fourth 'cause the seller and I couldn't
reach
an agreement on a lower price after the sea trial. But I still didn't
pay
for the sea trial.

Three of the four boats that I sea trialed were sold on consignment by a
dealer. The reason the dealer gets a commission on the sale of a
consignment boat is because he has to take on the responsibility and
cost of
launching the boat for sea trials.

There is no way I'd pay a dealer to launch and sea trial a boat that
he's
already getting a commission on. That's the reason he's getting a
commission...to put up with the tire kickers.

We're probably not talkin' about trailer boats Nobby.

There's no difference. It takes just as much time and effort to launch a
25' center console from a dry rack as it does a 40' Convertible. Two of the
four boats that I looked at were in dry storage and needed a forkie to put
'em in the water. Another one was at a boat dealer that was
landlocked...and the owner of the dealership trailered it 20 minutes to the
launch ramp and sea-trialed it with me.

Only one of the four was already moored at a wet slip and didn't need to be
launched.

Gould tried to make the point that there's a difference between launching
for a sea-trial, and launching for a survey. What if your surveyor travels
along for the sea-trial? Is that a sea-trial (seller pays according to
Gould)...or a survey (buyer pays according to Gould)?

In article , says...

"jps" wrote in message
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In article , says...

"vze3j5ge" wrote in message
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My husband and I are considering purchase of a used boat - currently
out
of the water at our marina. We've spoken to a marine surveyor we
might
hire who says that the engine can be tested to some extent on land but
that we really should put the boat in the water and check it out.
Seems
reasonable - but my question is one about procedure. Who usually pays
for the marina to put boat in and take it out again in such a case -
buyer or seller?


I never paid a fee for any boat that I sea trialed. I bought 3 of
them...and walked away from a fourth 'cause the seller and I couldn't
reach
an agreement on a lower price after the sea trial. But I still didn't
pay
for the sea trial.

Three of the four boats that I sea trialed were sold on consignment by a
dealer. The reason the dealer gets a commission on the sale of a
consignment boat is because he has to take on the responsibility and
cost of
launching the boat for sea trials.

There is no way I'd pay a dealer to launch and sea trial a boat that
he's
already getting a commission on. That's the reason he's getting a
commission...to put up with the tire kickers.

We're probably not talkin' about trailer boats Nobby.

There's no difference. It takes just as much time and effort to launch a
25' center console from a dry rack as it does a 40' Convertible. Two of the
four boats that I looked at were in dry storage and needed a forkie to put
'em in the water. Another one was at a boat dealer that was
landlocked...and the owner of the dealership trailered it 20 minutes to the
launch ramp and sea-trialed it with me.

Only one of the four was already moored at a wet slip and didn't need to be
launched.

Gould tried to make the point that there's a difference between launching
for a sea-trial, and launching for a survey. What if your surveyor travels
along for the sea-trial? Is that a sea-trial (seller pays according to
Gould)...or a survey (buyer pays according to Gould)?

We're talking about a: boat that's sitting in the water needing to be
dry docked so the surveyor can do his under the waterline inspection of
hull, running gear, thru hulls, etc.

or b: sitting on the hard needing to get to the water to be sea-trialed.

For a 28' and under that can fit on a trailer or get a forklift ride,
the expense and time isn't that bad but it's still usually incumbent on
the person looking for confirmation, not on the current owner.

When you've got a boat that requires a traveling lift or dry dock to
raise or lower, it's a different story. It can run hundreds of $ to
lift and splash. I'm certainly not going to do that for a perspective
buyer on my dime.

jps

"jps" wrote in message
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We're talking about a: boat that's sitting in the water needing to be
dry docked so the surveyor can do his under the waterline inspection of
hull, running gear, thru hulls, etc.


or b: sitting on the hard needing to get to the water to be sea-trialed.

No, that's wrong. The original post said this:

"My husband and I are considering purchase of a used boat - currently out of
the water at our marina. "

Did you catch that part? "...currently out of the water..."




For a 28' and under that can fit on a trailer or get a forklift ride,
the expense and time isn't that bad but it's still usually incumbent on
the person looking for confirmation, not on the current owner.


No it's not. If you buy a boat, you're entitled to a sea trial. It's the
seller's responsibility to see to it that the boat is in the water so that
prospective buyer can sea trial it. Of the 4 boats that I sea-trialed, I
bought three of them. One of them had problems, and the owner wouldn't
budge on the price after the sea-trial. Each time (except for one), I put
down a deposit (usually $500 or $1000) prior to the sea-trial. After the
sea-trial, the money was either applied to the purchase, or refunded if the
boat didn't perform as advertised.


When you've got a boat that requires a traveling lift or dry dock to
raise or lower, it's a different story. It can run hundreds of $ to
lift and splash. I'm certainly not going to do that for a perspective
buyer on my dime.

Many marinas in my area either sell the boat on consignment for owner, or
write into the owner's storage contract that the marina is entitled to 10%
of the sales price of the boat if it's sold from their premises. It's not
the owner's dime that is paying for the launch...it's usually the marina's
money...and, many times, they're compensated for it via the commission they
receive on the sale.