if you BUY it, seller pays.

if you DONT, you pay.

pretty easy.


"vze3j5ge" wrote in message
...
My husband and I are considering purchase of a used boat - currently out
of the water at our marina. We've spoken to a marine surveyor we might
hire who says that the engine can be tested to some extent on land but
that we really should put the boat in the water and check it out. Seems
reasonable - but my question is one about procedure. Who usually pays
for the marina to put boat in and take it out again in such a case -
buyer or seller?

Thanks for any help.

Elaine

vze3j5ge wrote in message ...
My husband and I are considering purchase of a used boat - currently out
of the water at our marina. We've spoken to a marine surveyor we might
hire who says that the engine can be tested to some extent on land but
that we really should put the boat in the water and check it out. Seems
reasonable - but my question is one about procedure. Who usually pays
for the marina to put boat in and take it out again in such a case -
buyer or seller?



This thread has sparked some heated discussion (surprise and given
you many opinions.

Here is what I do with my common sense and some (not much) boat
buy/sell experience.

The seller should as honestly as possible show and describe everyhting
thats wrong with the boat while on land, i.e. the boat leaks a gallaon
the hour, it runs fine but the throttle linkage is sticks ... it had
such and such hull damage ..

The motor runs fine/ok/not at all or whatever it does... it burns oil
or gearcase leaks.

Buyer then looks at everyhthing and based on the information from the
seller and his OWN impression makes a decission if this deal for the $
works for him.

To verify the sellers info they go for a sea trail which the seller
pays. The seller will NOT go for a sea trail if someone is not sure
about buying the boat if the boat performs as expected (important).

Such sea trail shouldt cost that much for "a boat" if its small ...
and the clever seller will have this cost worked in the sale price
beforehand

Seller assumes he will take 5 customers for trails and each cost him
$30 for gas&launch so he ups his sale price by $150....

The buyer then buys the boat and is happy he didnt have to pay for the
trail
Seller is happy because he also didnt pay for the trail

If the buyer wants the boat checked by a mechanic or surveyor that
should be fully his own responsiblilty to pay for. Seller has to make
the boat available and accesible for this.

Should the seller have lied which is discovered then its a different
story and the fight is on ...

At the same note: Dont buy boats from people who are openly dishonest
(its up to you to determine that).

This is just my opinion as right or wrong it may be.

Always remember common sense, fairness and honesty and the willigness
to compromise is half the deal. I noticed that people you treat fair
will lateron be willing to help which is worth more than a few $.

A good deal is one that both parties would do again under the same
circumstances knowing what they know after the deal.

I dont know what value boat we are talking about but if its a $30000
boat then IMO its really irrelevant to argue wo pays $50 for a sea
trail.

Matt

You are correct. That is what several people including myself have been
saying.

--
Tony
my boats at http://t.thomas.home.mchsi.com

"Matt Lang" wrote in message
om...
vze3j5ge wrote in message
...
My husband and I are considering purchase of a used boat - currently out
of the water at our marina. We've spoken to a marine surveyor we might
hire who says that the engine can be tested to some extent on land but
that we really should put the boat in the water and check it out. Seems
reasonable - but my question is one about procedure. Who usually pays
for the marina to put boat in and take it out again in such a case -
buyer or seller?



This thread has sparked some heated discussion (surprise and given
you many opinions.

Here is what I do with my common sense and some (not much) boat
buy/sell experience.

The seller should as honestly as possible show and describe everyhting
thats wrong with the boat while on land, i.e. the boat leaks a gallaon
the hour, it runs fine but the throttle linkage is sticks ... it had
such and such hull damage ..

The motor runs fine/ok/not at all or whatever it does... it burns oil
or gearcase leaks.

Buyer then looks at everyhthing and based on the information from the
seller and his OWN impression makes a decission if this deal for the $
works for him.

To verify the sellers info they go for a sea trail which the seller
pays. The seller will NOT go for a sea trail if someone is not sure
about buying the boat if the boat performs as expected (important).

Such sea trail shouldt cost that much for "a boat" if its small ...
and the clever seller will have this cost worked in the sale price
beforehand

Seller assumes he will take 5 customers for trails and each cost him
$30 for gas&launch so he ups his sale price by $150....

The buyer then buys the boat and is happy he didnt have to pay for the
trail
Seller is happy because he also didnt pay for the trail

If the buyer wants the boat checked by a mechanic or surveyor that
should be fully his own responsiblilty to pay for. Seller has to make
the boat available and accesible for this.

Should the seller have lied which is discovered then its a different
story and the fight is on ...

At the same note: Dont buy boats from people who are openly dishonest
(its up to you to determine that).

This is just my opinion as right or wrong it may be.

Always remember common sense, fairness and honesty and the willigness
to compromise is half the deal. I noticed that people you treat fair
will lateron be willing to help which is worth more than a few $.

A good deal is one that both parties would do again under the same
circumstances knowing what they know after the deal.

I dont know what value boat we are talking about but if its a $30000
boat then IMO its really irrelevant to argue wo pays $50 for a sea
trail.

Matt

"Tony Thomas" wrote in message news:SVwVc.199231$eM2.173171@attbi_s51...
You are correct. That is what several people including myself have been
saying.




With some filtering applied there is lots of great information in this newsgroup

Matt

On 20 Aug 2004 17:05:41 -0700, (Matt Lang) wrote:

vze3j5ge wrote in message ...
My husband and I are considering purchase of a used boat - currently out
of the water at our marina. We've spoken to a marine surveyor we might
hire who says that the engine can be tested to some extent on land but
that we really should put the boat in the water and check it out. Seems
reasonable - but my question is one about procedure. Who usually pays
for the marina to put boat in and take it out again in such a case -
buyer or seller?

~~ snippity do da ~~

A good deal is one that both parties would do again under the same
circumstances knowing what they know after the deal.

Dewd!!!

What planet do yo live on? I want to move there. :)

Later,

Tom

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message . ..
On 20 Aug 2004 17:05:41 -0700, (Matt Lang) wrote:

vze3j5ge wrote in message ...
My husband and I are considering purchase of a used boat - currently out
of the water at our marina. We've spoken to a marine surveyor we might
hire who says that the engine can be tested to some extent on land but
that we really should put the boat in the water and check it out. Seems
reasonable - but my question is one about procedure. Who usually pays
for the marina to put boat in and take it out again in such a case -
buyer or seller?

~~ snippity do da ~~

A good deal is one that both parties would do again under the same
circumstances knowing what they know after the deal.

Dewd!!!

What planet do yo live on? I want to move there. :)

Later,

Tom


Hahahaha

I am not saying these good deals actually exist

However if one doesnt sell with the intend to rip the other paty as
much as possible then its easier to make deals

Matt

On 21 Aug 2004 10:36:16 -0700, (Matt Lang) wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message . ..
On 20 Aug 2004 17:05:41 -0700, (Matt Lang) wrote:

vze3j5ge wrote in message ...
My husband and I are considering purchase of a used boat - currently out
of the water at our marina. We've spoken to a marine surveyor we might
hire who says that the engine can be tested to some extent on land but
that we really should put the boat in the water and check it out. Seems
reasonable - but my question is one about procedure. Who usually pays
for the marina to put boat in and take it out again in such a case -
buyer or seller?

~~ snippity do da ~~

A good deal is one that both parties would do again under the same
circumstances knowing what they know after the deal.

Dewd!!!

What planet do yo live on? I want to move there. :)


Hahahaha

I am not saying these good deals actually exist

However if one doesnt sell with the intend to rip the other paty as
much as possible then its easier to make deals

10-4

Later,

Tom

"vze3j5ge" wrote in message
...
My husband and I are considering purchase of a used boat - currently out
of the water at our marina. We've spoken to a marine surveyor we might
hire who says that the engine can be tested to some extent on land but
that we really should put the boat in the water and check it out. Seems
reasonable - but my question is one about procedure. Who usually pays
for the marina to put boat in and take it out again in such a case -
buyer or seller?

Thanks for any help.

Elaine


I probably wouldn't deal with anyone that wouldn't reimburse me if I bought
the boat. I guess that means BUYER pays, SELLER reduces sale price by
survey fee if, AND ONLY IF, the buyer buys. Like I said, I wouldn't DEAL
with anyone who wouldn't accept such reasonable terms. Now if this is a
$2500 boat, it's a different story.

In article ,
4-Boat wrote:

"vze3j5ge" wrote in message
...
My husband and I are considering purchase of a used boat - currently out
of the water at our marina. We've spoken to a marine surveyor we might
hire who says that the engine can be tested to some extent on land but
that we really should put the boat in the water and check it out. Seems
reasonable - but my question is one about procedure. Who usually pays
for the marina to put boat in and take it out again in such a case -
buyer or seller?

Thanks for any help.

Elaine

I probably wouldn't deal with anyone that wouldn't reimburse me if I bought
the boat. I guess that means BUYER pays, SELLER reduces sale price by
survey fee if, AND ONLY IF, the buyer buys. Like I said, I wouldn't DEAL
with anyone who wouldn't accept such reasonable terms. Now if this is a
$2500 boat, it's a different story.

There's nothing reasonable about that.

The buyer is selecting the surveyor, and has the benefit of the survey, deal
or no. The seller has no control over the surveyor or the outcome.

Let's not forget that most insurance companies will require a recent survey
on any larger boat over 5 years old.

Now you want the SELLER to provide you with a survey that you then use to
obtain insurance?!

If you are not sufficiently skilled to determine the condition of the boat
on your own, you're welcome to hire as many surveyors and other experts as
you wish, for whatever you wish, from a cold beer in the local bar to
$25,000.

However, as the seller, I am neither going to recommend a particular person
nor will I reimburse you for the costs of your decision(s) in that regard.

If the boat is on a trailer I'll be more than happy to launch it and take
you for a ride once I've determined that you're actually able and willing to
fund the purchase, and are seriously interested. If I'm already going out,
and have room, I'll generally let you come along with no obligation or
verification - why not? It doesn't cost me anything in that case.

Where it stops is when you want me to pay you to inspect the boat.

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There's nothing reasonable about that.

The buyer is selecting the surveyor, and has the benefit of the survey,
deal
or no. The seller has no control over the surveyor or the outcome.

Let's not forget that most insurance companies will require a recent
survey
on any larger boat over 5 years old.

Now you want the SELLER to provide you with a survey that you then use to
obtain insurance?!

If you are not sufficiently skilled to determine the condition of the boat
on your own, you're welcome to hire as many surveyors and other experts as
you wish, for whatever you wish, from a cold beer in the local bar to
$25,000.

However, as the seller, I am neither going to recommend a particular
person
nor will I reimburse you for the costs of your decision(s) in that regard.

If the boat is on a trailer I'll be more than happy to launch it and take
you for a ride once I've determined that you're actually able and willing
to
fund the purchase, and are seriously interested. If I'm already going
out,
and have room, I'll generally let you come along with no obligation or
verification - why not? It doesn't cost me anything in that case.

Where it stops is when you want me to pay you to inspect the boat.


I've bought a few boats, 2 airplanes, a bunch of cars, and a dozen houses
and rentals. I've never had anyone bellyache about picking up the cost of
the inspect IF I bought. Let's all assume a reasonable man standard here.
A home inspect is around 25 cents/foot, a car inspect at autoclub is under
$100. My last boat checkout on a 25 Searay was $250. Big deal in the
scheme of $20K for the seller.