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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Sort of like Zel Miller being ashamed of the tactics of the Democratic
party?


That's an excellent comparison, and it's rather frank of you to admit that
the
dirt is a "tactic" of the Republican party.

Where did I admit that?


If there has been a groundswell of liberal attacks on Miller, however,
I've
missed it.

Lets just wait until he speaks at the Republican Convention.



You don't have to go any farther into the world than this little NG to see
right wingers insulting McCain ("whiner", etc)
for trying to promote some sort of honesty in presidential politics.

I recall you and the other libs attacking something the Zel Miller said when
it was posted on this board.

Hypocrite.

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I recall you and the other libs attacking something the Zel Miller said when
it was posted on this board.

Hypocrite.

Guess again.
I don't recall ever attacking Zel Miller. Or anything he said.

That's a good tactic, although you need to
add a technique or two. Most discussions with you wind up with, "Oh, yeah? You
don't have a leg to stand on because even though my side is lousy your side is
worse!" Or, a Clintonesque word game (such as "I said major").

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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
I recall you and the other libs attacking something the Zel Miller said
when
it was posted on this board.

Hypocrite.

Guess again.
I don't recall ever attacking Zel Miller. Or anything he said.


I recall it. You have.

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On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:04:53 -0400, "jim--" wrote:

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
I recall you and the other libs attacking something the Zel Miller said
when
it was posted on this board.

Hypocrite.

Guess again.
I don't recall ever attacking Zel Miller. Or anything he said.


I recall it. You have.

Shouldn't be any problem for you to post a link to it, then, right?

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I recall it. You have.


Since you recall it, perhaps you will refresh my memory regarding what it was I
said?

The burden of proof is on the accuser.
At least that's the way it always used to be, and will be again (hopefully
sooner rather than later).

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"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:04:53 -0400, "jim--" wrote:

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
I recall you and the other libs attacking something the Zel Miller
said
when
it was posted on this board.

Hypocrite.

Guess again.
I don't recall ever attacking Zel Miller. Or anything he said.


I recall it. You have.

Shouldn't be any problem for you to post a link to it, then, right?


Correct. I had no problem finding it using Google. But as your buddy
Krause always says....find it yourself if you need a link. ;-)

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On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:47:07 -0400, "jim--" wrote:


"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:04:53 -0400, "jim--" wrote:

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
I recall you and the other libs attacking something the Zel Miller
said
when
it was posted on this board.

Hypocrite.

Guess again.
I don't recall ever attacking Zel Miller. Or anything he said.


I recall it. You have.

Shouldn't be any problem for you to post a link to it, then, right?


Correct. I had no problem finding it using Google. But as your buddy
Krause always says....find it yourself if you need a link. ;-)

What in the world gives you the idea that the bilious Mr. Krause is a friend of
mine?

In any case, since you made the original assertion, the burden is on *you* to
substantiate it. I am frankly curious to see how you will do that. Just one
little link would do nicely.

Joe Parsons

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"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:47:07 -0400, "jim--" wrote:


"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:04:53 -0400, "jim--" wrote:

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
I recall you and the other libs attacking something the Zel Miller
said
when
it was posted on this board.

Hypocrite.

Guess again.
I don't recall ever attacking Zel Miller. Or anything he said.


I recall it. You have.

Shouldn't be any problem for you to post a link to it, then, right?


Correct. I had no problem finding it using Google. But as your buddy
Krause always says....find it yourself if you need a link. ;-)

What in the world gives you the idea that the bilious Mr. Krause is a
friend of
mine?

In any case, since you made the original assertion, the burden is on *you*
to
substantiate it. I am frankly curious to see how you will do that. Just
one
little link would do nicely.

Joe Parsons


Find it yourself.

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In article ,
says...
On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:51:42 -0700, jps wrote:

In article , says...

"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:40:06 -0700, jps wrote

That's a man of honor.

Not if you take a close look, McCain is an opportunist and quite
disingenuous on a number of fronts.

McCain of Keating Five fame. Don't you remember the S&L crisis of the 80's.

Yes, I do as a matter of fact. They were Republicans who took advantage
of bank deregulation that was pushed by Ronnie Raygun.

Cost the country billions of dollars in a bailout.

Since Keating was a rich Republican with lots of interests in Arizona,
it's only natural that McCain would've been in the dole queue.

"It's only natural" is great justification.

"It's only natural that jps has no logic whatsoever."

It's obvious you have no clue about how politics work in America.

People are bought and paid for. Those who support certain political
positions are supported by those who's best interests are served by
those positions.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

jps

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In article , says...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
thunder wrote:

On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 19:26:34 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


Not if you take a close look, McCain is an opportunist and quite
disingenuous on a number of fronts.

McCain of Keating Five fame. Don't you remember the S&L crisis of the
80's.

An argument can be made that it should have been the Keating Three. The
independent counsel at that time, recommended both McCain and Glenn be
dropped from the investigation. It clearly wasn't McCain's finest
moment,
but perhaps, it made him a better Senator. His judgment hasn't been
perfect, but he appears to be a man of honor.


http://www.sptimes.com/News/020500/W...his_slat.shtml


http://www.azcentral.com/specials/sp...cainbook5.html


Isn't it amazing how these RepubliCraps go after any, even their own,
who don't toe the line? It really is a BORG-like collective.


Isn't it amazing that when a Republican screws up the Repbulicans are the
ones the mete out the punishment. But, when a Democrat screws up the
Democrats all get in line and say it wasn't that bad, integrity doesn't
matter.

Bwaaaaaahaaaaaaahaaaaaahaaaaaa!!!

Valerie Plame?
Richard Shelby?
Tom DeLay?

Can you connect the names with recent events, well beyond the threshold
of legal limits?

Short-term memory?

In the case of Richard Shelby it'd have to be 5 minutes.

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On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:06:42 -0400, "jim--" wrote:

[snip]

Shouldn't be any problem for you to post a link to it, then, right?


Correct. I had no problem finding it using Google. But as your buddy
Krause always says....find it yourself if you need a link. ;-)

What in the world gives you the idea that the bilious Mr. Krause is a
friend of
mine?

In any case, since you made the original assertion, the burden is on *you*
to
substantiate it. I am frankly curious to see how you will do that. Just
one
little link would do nicely.

Joe Parsons


Find it yourself.

Wouldn't it be easier for you simply to admit you were...mistaken in your
original statement?

To be completely candid, I was looking forward to see just what you might
consider to be an "attack."

On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:01:24 -0400, in rec.boats you wrote:

I recall you [referring to Gould] and the other libs attacking something the Zel Miller said when
it was posted on this board.

Hypocrite.

Joe Parsons

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"jps" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...
On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:53:43 -0700, jps wrote:

In article , says...

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Then you would be wrong.

That's easy to measure.

Which of the crew members who served on Kery's boat, other than the
guy
who's
dead, does not support him?


More than half of them.

Huh?

I'm pretty sure it's 11 of the 12 he served with (on two boats).

NONE of the swiftboatvetsfortruth of whatever the hell they're called
served with Kerry.

jps

Hey...*I* was on active duty in the Navy in 1967-1969.

*I* must have served with Kerry, too!

Joe Parsons

So, the difference is that you're not politically motivated to
participate in a character assassination pig pile?

I find it interesting that 250 guys who didn't know Kerry are willing to
step up to heap bad juju on him while NO ONE will show up to vouch for
Bush not being AWOL.

Irony? I think so!

jps

I will bet they knew Kerry. Swiftboats would have been a tight group. Sort
of like a squadron in the air force. You knew most of the people in the
unit, even if you did not work directly with them. You missed out on the
military experience.

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In article , says...

Sort of like Zel Miller being ashamed of the tactics of the Democratic
party?

Zell Miller hasn't been a Democrat in years. He uses his political
position and a fulcrum and pulpit. Few Democrats pay attention while
the Republicans all hail.

Zell and Calf Bill are twins.

jps

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"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:06:42 -0400, "jim--" wrote:

[snip]

Shouldn't be any problem for you to post a link to it, then, right?


Correct. I had no problem finding it using Google. But as your
buddy
Krause always says....find it yourself if you need a link. ;-)

What in the world gives you the idea that the bilious Mr. Krause is a
friend of
mine?

In any case, since you made the original assertion, the burden is on
*you*
to
substantiate it. I am frankly curious to see how you will do that.
Just
one
little link would do nicely.

Joe Parsons


Find it yourself.

Wouldn't it be easier for you simply to admit you were...mistaken in your
original statement?

Why should I? I spoke the truth.



To be completely candid, I was looking forward to see just what you might
consider to be an "attack."

Then do a google search and go find out.



On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:01:24 -0400, in rec.boats you wrote:

I recall you [referring to Gould] and the other libs attacking something
the Zel Miller said when
it was posted on this board.

Hypocrite.

Yep, and he is.

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On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:48:17 -0400, "jim--" wrote:

[snip]

substantiate it. I am frankly curious to see how you will do that.
Just
one
little link would do nicely.

Joe Parsons


Find it yourself.

Wouldn't it be easier for you simply to admit you were...mistaken in your
original statement?

Why should I? I spoke the truth.

This is what is called "argument by assertion." It's just one small step
removed from "circular reasoning." In the simplest terms, the mere fact that
you repeat your assertion over and over does not make your statement true. It
certainly does not make for a cogent argument.

To be completely candid, I was looking forward to see just what you might
consider to be an "attack."

Then do a google search and go find out.

I'd rather see you substantiate your own claim. You see, by refusing to do
something as trivially easy as providing a link to a post from Gould to prove
your statement, you create the impression that you were either intentionally
misrepresenting (the technical term for this is "lying") or that you were
mistaken.

If the latter, it is easy to correct the misstatement. An admission of error is
viewed by many to be a sign of good character.

If it's the former, well, that's a sign of character, as well.

Joe Parsons

On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:01:24 -0400, in rec.boats you wrote:

I recall you [referring to Gould] and the other libs attacking something
the Zel Miller said when
it was posted on this board.

Hypocrite.

Yep, and he is.

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"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:48:17 -0400, "jim--" wrote:

[snip]

substantiate it. I am frankly curious to see how you will do that.
Just
one
little link would do nicely.

Joe Parsons


Find it yourself.

Wouldn't it be easier for you simply to admit you were...mistaken in
your
original statement?

Why should I? I spoke the truth.

This is what is called "argument by assertion." It's just one small step
removed from "circular reasoning." In the simplest terms, the mere fact
that
you repeat your assertion over and over does not make your statement true.
It
certainly does not make for a cogent argument.

To be completely candid, I was looking forward to see just what you
might
consider to be an "attack."

Then do a google search and go find out.

I'd rather see you substantiate your own claim. You see, by refusing to
do
something as trivially easy as providing a link to a post from Gould to
prove
your statement, you create the impression that you were either
intentionally
misrepresenting (the technical term for this is "lying") or that you were
mistaken.

If the latter, it is easy to correct the misstatement. An admission of
error is
viewed by many to be a sign of good character.

If it's the former, well, that's a sign of character, as well.

Joe Parsons

On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:01:24 -0400, in rec.boats you wrote:

I recall you [referring to Gould] and the other libs attacking
something
the Zel Miller said when
it was posted on this board.

Hypocrite.

Yep, and he is.



Joe, if it bothers you so much, as it apparently does, then get off your
ass and look it up. It is there for you to find oh grasshopper.

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From Google:

Your search - miller group:rec.boats author:gould0738 - did not match any
documents.

From Google:

Your search - zell group:rec.boats author:gould0738 - did not match any
documents.


*******************

Very interesting. Wouldn't you think that if I had attacked Zell Miller in the
NG, I would have had to use either the words "Zell" or "Miller" ?

Hypothetical question of the day: Would it be worse to
be discovered to be incorrect, or to appear to be telling a deliberate
falsehood in order to cover up an honest mistake? Do they shoot right wingers
for being wrong, or something?

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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
From Google:

Your search - miller group:rec.boats author:gould0738 - did not match any
documents.

From Google:

Your search - zell group:rec.boats author:gould0738 - did not match any
documents.


*******************

Very interesting. Wouldn't you think that if I had attacked Zell Miller in
the
NG, I would have had to use either the words "Zell" or "Miller" ?

Hypothetical question of the day: Would it be worse to
be discovered to be incorrect, or to appear to be telling a deliberate
falsehood in order to cover up an honest mistake? Do they shoot right
wingers
for being wrong, or something?



I just googled and got 76 hits. Don't you know how to google Chuck?

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On 06 Aug 2004 18:10:57 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

From Google:

Your search - miller group:rec.boats author:gould0738 - did not match any
documents.

From Google:

Your search - zell group:rec.boats author:gould0738 - did not match any
documents.


*******************

Very interesting. Wouldn't you think that if I had attacked Zell Miller in the
NG, I would have had to use either the words "Zell" or "Miller" ?

There's a part of me that wants to see just how far Dennis (or whatever his name
is) will go to maintain his (now obviously absurd) premise.

But there's the other, more rational part that tells me that he's already shown
to whoever may still be reading that he's talking through his...hat.

Joe Parsons


Hypothetical question of the day: Would it be worse to
be discovered to be incorrect, or to appear to be telling a deliberate
falsehood in order to cover up an honest mistake? Do they shoot right wingers
for being wrong, or something?

Views of Kerry
 

Gould 0738 wrote:
.... Do they shoot right wingers
for being wrong, or something?

Why would they do that? To encourage the others?

DSK

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"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
...
On 06 Aug 2004 18:10:57 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

From Google:

Your search - miller group:rec.boats author:gould0738 - did not match any
documents.

From Google:

Your search - zell group:rec.boats author:gould0738 - did not match any
documents.


*******************

Very interesting. Wouldn't you think that if I had attacked Zell Miller
in the
NG, I would have had to use either the words "Zell" or "Miller" ?

There's a part of me that wants to see just how far Dennis (or whatever
his name
is) will go to maintain his (now obviously absurd) premise.

But there's the other, more rational part that tells me that he's already
shown
to whoever may still be reading that he's talking through his...hat.

Joe Parsons

I just googled and got 76 hits. Don't you know how to google Joe? Maybe
your kids can help you.

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On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:26:58 -0400, "jim--" wrote:


"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
.. .
On 06 Aug 2004 18:10:57 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

From Google:

Your search - miller group:rec.boats author:gould0738 - did not match any
documents.

From Google:

Your search - zell group:rec.boats author:gould0738 - did not match any
documents.


*******************

Very interesting. Wouldn't you think that if I had attacked Zell Miller
in the
NG, I would have had to use either the words "Zell" or "Miller" ?

There's a part of me that wants to see just how far Dennis (or whatever
his name
is) will go to maintain his (now obviously absurd) premise.

But there's the other, more rational part that tells me that he's already
shown
to whoever may still be reading that he's talking through his...hat.

Joe Parsons

I just googled and got 76 hits. Don't you know how to google Joe? Maybe
your kids can help you.

Oh, I can get LOTS of hits from Google. Matter of fact, I just got about
384,000.

Here's a hint for you: the words you put into the search fields make a
difference in your results.

Joe Parsons

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"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:26:58 -0400, "jim--" wrote:


"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
.. .
On 06 Aug 2004 18:10:57 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

From Google:

Your search - miller group:rec.boats author:gould0738 - did not match
any
documents.

From Google:

Your search - zell group:rec.boats author:gould0738 - did not match
any
documents.


*******************

Very interesting. Wouldn't you think that if I had attacked Zell
Miller
in the
NG, I would have had to use either the words "Zell" or "Miller" ?

There's a part of me that wants to see just how far Dennis (or whatever
his name
is) will go to maintain his (now obviously absurd) premise.

But there's the other, more rational part that tells me that he's
already
shown
to whoever may still be reading that he's talking through his...hat.

Joe Parsons

I just googled and got 76 hits. Don't you know how to google Joe? Maybe
your kids can help you.


Oh, I can get LOTS of hits from Google. Matter of fact, I just got about
384,000.


Then you obviously have no idea what you are doing Joe.


Here's a hint for you: the words you put into the search fields make a
difference in your results.

Joe Parsons


They sure do. And that is why I found it. Sorry you are having such
difficulty with such a simple task.

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I just googled and got 76 hits. Don't you know how to google Chuck?

Apparently not well enough.

It turns out I was wrong. Somebody suggested a slightly different Google
technique, and I did find one post, from 2002 in which I referred to Zell
Miller in an extremely neutral manner.

(There were about 5 posts that used the word "miller", but most of them have to
do with a local boat yard, not a politician.)

Actually, I merely copied and quoted the words "Zell MIller" from a post by a
conservative who was playing some juvenile "gotcha" game by posting a Zell
Miller quote, and then asking everybody to guess which Democrat had made the
statement.

My "attacking comment" was an evaluation of the statement, not Mr. Miller
I posted, "It sounds more like something a conservative Republican might say".
That's certainly not a case of ganging up with the moderates on this board to
attack Zell Miller. One could make case that Zell Miller has been invited to
speak at the Republican convention precisely *because* he sounds like a
conservative Republican.

If you'd be willing to stipulate that sounding like a conservative Republican
is such a horrible thing that accusing somebody of doing that is an "attack,
and an insult"....
I'd be intersted to see you take this discussion in that direction.

Sorry, but you're wrong again, Jim. I have never attacked Zell Miller in the
NG, and searching the Google archives where you claim the evidence resides
yields *nothing* similar to your description. It's time for you to fess up to
your error, put up your proof, or shut up and slink away from this issue.

Views of Kerry
 

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article , says...

Sort of like Zel Miller being ashamed of the tactics of the Democratic
party?

Zell Miller hasn't been a Democrat in years. He uses his political
position and a fulcrum and pulpit. Few Democrats pay attention while
the Republicans all hail.

Zell and Calf Bill are twins.

jps

He is older. We are moderates. You do not have to be an extreme lefty as
most of you Dem's that are posting, to be a democrat. You must have thought
Harry S. Truman was an extreme righty also.

Views of Kerry
 

On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:25:13 -0400, DSK wrote:

Gould 0738 wrote:
.... Do they shoot right wingers
for being wrong, or something?

Why would they do that? To encourage the others?

If they took the time to admit they were wrong, whenever they were
wrong, the'd have no time left to be wrong again. Self preservation.

bb

Views of Kerry
 

jim-- wrote:



Why should I? I spoke the truth.

Not in your current lifetime.


--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

Views of Kerry
 

In article ,
says...


"Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has more than 250 supporters who are
revealing first hand, eyewitness accounts of numerous incidents
concerning John Kerry?s military service record. The organization will
continue to discuss much of what John Kerry has reported as fact
concerning his four-month tour of duty in Vietnam."

And yet not a single man in the two vessels he commanded have the same
opinion as these 250 men.

Seems like the guys who fought by his side would know best, eh?

Does that escape your consciousness for some reason?

jps

Views of Kerry
 

In article et,
says...

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article , says...

Sort of like Zel Miller being ashamed of the tactics of the Democratic
party?

Zell Miller hasn't been a Democrat in years. He uses his political
position and a fulcrum and pulpit. Few Democrats pay attention while
the Republicans all hail.

Zell and Calf Bill are twins.

jps

He is older. We are moderates. You do not have to be an extreme lefty as
most of you Dem's that are posting, to be a democrat. You must have thought
Harry S. Truman was an extreme righty also.

Harry Truman was a human being with morals and ethics. Can you possibly
compare Zell Miller the shill to Harry Truman?

You and Zell represent the *extreme* right wing of the Democratic Party.
You're further right than a lot of moderates in the Republican Party.

jps

Views of Kerry
 

jps wrote:

In article et,
says...

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article , says...

Sort of like Zel Miller being ashamed of the tactics of the Democratic
party?

Zell Miller hasn't been a Democrat in years. He uses his political
position and a fulcrum and pulpit. Few Democrats pay attention while
the Republicans all hail.

Zell and Calf Bill are twins.

jps

He is older. We are moderates. You do not have to be an extreme lefty as
most of you Dem's that are posting, to be a democrat. You must have thought
Harry S. Truman was an extreme righty also.

Harry Truman was a human being with morals and ethics. Can you possibly
compare Zell Miller the shill to Harry Truman?

You and Zell represent the *extreme* right wing of the Democratic Party.
You're further right than a lot of moderates in the Republican Party.

jps



Zell Miller is a Dixiecrat, the sort of right-wing extremist asshole the
Democratic Party expunged in the 1960s. These idiots gravitated to the
GOP, which welcomed their smallmindedness with open arms, and they
became the GOP southern strategy. Some Dixiecrats, like Miller and
California bill, never bothered to change their parties. Bill, like
Miller, is a Republican.

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

Views of Kerry
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
jps wrote:

In article et,
says...

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article , says...

Sort of like Zel Miller being ashamed of the tactics of the
Democratic
party?

Zell Miller hasn't been a Democrat in years. He uses his political
position and a fulcrum and pulpit. Few Democrats pay attention while
the Republicans all hail.

Zell and Calf Bill are twins.

jps

He is older. We are moderates. You do not have to be an extreme lefty
as
most of you Dem's that are posting, to be a democrat. You must have
thought
Harry S. Truman was an extreme righty also.

Harry Truman was a human being with morals and ethics. Can you possibly
compare Zell Miller the shill to Harry Truman?

You and Zell represent the *extreme* right wing of the Democratic Party.
You're further right than a lot of moderates in the Republican Party.

jps



Zell Miller is a Dixiecrat, the sort of right-wing extremist asshole the
Democratic Party expunged in the 1960s. These idiots gravitated to the
GOP, which welcomed their smallmindedness with open arms, and they
became the GOP southern strategy. Some Dixiecrats, like Miller and
California bill, never bothered to change their parties. Bill, like
Miller, is a Republican.



Zell Miller is a moderate Democrat. He backed Clinton in 1992 thinking they
shared the same views, but later regretted it because of the way the party
moved so far left during Clintons terms in office.. He now sees the
Republican party closer to the center than the Democrats and is therefore
speaking at the Republican Convention.

The Democratic Party is indeed far left....as you are. And quite obviously
anyone who does not agree with you politically is an idiot. You have no
compassion, you cannot compromise and never accept views proposed by the
other side. Basskisser would say you have "Democratic blinders" on.

You indeed live in a black and white world Krause. Where in the universe is
your world located?

Views of Kerry
 

In article .net,
says...

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...
On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:53:43 -0700, jps wrote:

In article , says...

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Then you would be wrong.

That's easy to measure.

Which of the crew members who served on Kery's boat, other than the
guy
who's
dead, does not support him?


More than half of them.

Huh?

I'm pretty sure it's 11 of the 12 he served with (on two boats).

NONE of the swiftboatvetsfortruth of whatever the hell they're called
served with Kerry.

jps

Hey...*I* was on active duty in the Navy in 1967-1969.

*I* must have served with Kerry, too!

Joe Parsons

So, the difference is that you're not politically motivated to
participate in a character assassination pig pile?

I find it interesting that 250 guys who didn't know Kerry are willing to
step up to heap bad juju on him while NO ONE will show up to vouch for
Bush not being AWOL.

Irony? I think so!

jps

I will bet they knew Kerry. Swiftboats would have been a tight group. Sort
of like a squadron in the air force. You knew most of the people in the
unit, even if you did not work directly with them. You missed out on the
military experience.

Still doesn't seem right that NONE of the men who served beside and
under Kerry would share the opinion of 250 others guys who WEREN'T on
the boat with him.

Doesn't that strike you as meaningful?

jps

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In article , says...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
jps wrote:

In article et,
says...

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article , says...

Sort of like Zel Miller being ashamed of the tactics of the
Democratic
party?

Zell Miller hasn't been a Democrat in years. He uses his political
position and a fulcrum and pulpit. Few Democrats pay attention while
the Republicans all hail.

Zell and Calf Bill are twins.

jps

He is older. We are moderates. You do not have to be an extreme lefty
as
most of you Dem's that are posting, to be a democrat. You must have
thought
Harry S. Truman was an extreme righty also.

Harry Truman was a human being with morals and ethics. Can you possibly
compare Zell Miller the shill to Harry Truman?

You and Zell represent the *extreme* right wing of the Democratic Party.
You're further right than a lot of moderates in the Republican Party.

jps



Zell Miller is a Dixiecrat, the sort of right-wing extremist asshole the
Democratic Party expunged in the 1960s. These idiots gravitated to the
GOP, which welcomed their smallmindedness with open arms, and they
became the GOP southern strategy. Some Dixiecrats, like Miller and
California bill, never bothered to change their parties. Bill, like
Miller, is a Republican.



Zell Miller is a moderate Democrat.

Bwaaaaaaahaaaaaaahaaaaaahaaaaa!!!

He's moderate compared to what? Mussolini?

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
jps wrote:

In article et,
says...

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article , says...

Sort of like Zel Miller being ashamed of the tactics of the
Democratic
party?

Zell Miller hasn't been a Democrat in years. He uses his political
position and a fulcrum and pulpit. Few Democrats pay attention while
the Republicans all hail.

Zell and Calf Bill are twins.

jps

He is older. We are moderates. You do not have to be an extreme lefty
as
most of you Dem's that are posting, to be a democrat. You must have
thought
Harry S. Truman was an extreme righty also.

Harry Truman was a human being with morals and ethics. Can you possibly
compare Zell Miller the shill to Harry Truman?

You and Zell represent the *extreme* right wing of the Democratic Party.
You're further right than a lot of moderates in the Republican Party.

jps



Zell Miller is a Dixiecrat, the sort of right-wing extremist asshole the
Democratic Party expunged in the 1960s. These idiots gravitated to the
GOP, which welcomed their smallmindedness with open arms, and they
became the GOP southern strategy. Some Dixiecrats, like Miller and
California bill, never bothered to change their parties. Bill, like
Miller, is a Republican.


And you are a leftist liberal asshole, that is foul mouthed and lives off
the leftist teat. An example of the **** that has taken over the Democratic
party. The give me everything, and I will take care of you. The no
personal responsibility segment. We, the people who are brilliant graduates
of some liberal arts program know better than you that either did not go to
a liberal arts school or graduated with a non liberal arts degree, describes
your attitude. I do not care who runs for president, as long as he is a
"Democrat" and I can make money from him. That is an accurate description
of Harry Krause. I can steal money from the union pension fund, as it does
not cost the union member anything. As you stated in an earlier post. You
are the controllers of the Democratic party, that have put up the crap like
Kerry. A liar. And a person guilty of war crimes via his testimony of
shooting a wounded VC and burning villiages and killing the livestock. Yup.
Your kind of person.

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"Calif Bill" wrote in message news:XxZQc.11616
And you are a leftist liberal asshole, that is foul mouthed and lives off
the leftist teat. An example of the **** that has taken over the Democratic
party.

Do you see any irony in calling someone else foul mouthed after THAT diatribe??

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basskisser wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message news:XxZQc.11616
And you are a leftist liberal asshole, that is foul mouthed and lives off
the leftist teat. An example of the **** that has taken over the Democratic
party.

Do you see any irony in calling someone else foul mouthed after THAT diatribe??

Of course he doesn't.

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
basskisser wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:XxZQc.11616
And you are a leftist liberal asshole, that is foul mouthed and lives
off
the leftist teat. An example of the **** that has taken over the
Democratic
party.

Do you see any irony in calling someone else foul mouthed after THAT
diatribe??

Of course he doesn't.

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

Sure there is a difference. You are always retreating to the fecal realm
when you lose an argument. Me, a Science Degree person, know when to get
foul to make a point. So the bonding company covered your union theft? And
you "Moderate"??????

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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
link.net...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
basskisser wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:XxZQc.11616
And you are a leftist liberal asshole, that is foul mouthed and lives
off
the leftist teat. An example of the **** that has taken over the
Democratic
party.

Do you see any irony in calling someone else foul mouthed after THAT
diatribe??

Of course he doesn't.

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

Sure there is a difference. You are always retreating to the fecal realm
when you lose an argument. Me, a Science Degree person, know when to get
foul to make a point. So the bonding company covered your union theft?
And
you "Moderate"??????



IDIOT!!!

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Jim,

I do not understand your problem with Gould 0738, while he seems to be very
liberal, he is one of the few people in here who contributes to off topic
posts who does not sound like a 4th graders in the playground calling each
other names.

Since it seems off topic posts will continue to be a mainstay in rec.boats,
it would be nice if they were intelligent and not the same tripe that is
repeated by the majority of off topic posters. I mean how many times can
you say "you are stupid", "no I am not, you are", "I am witting and smart,
but you are a buttwipe".






"jim--" wrote in message
...

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
From Google:

Your search - miller group:rec.boats author:gould0738 - did not match
any
documents.

From Google:

Your search - zell group:rec.boats author:gould0738 - did not match any
documents.


*******************

Very interesting. Wouldn't you think that if I had attacked Zell Miller
in
the
NG, I would have had to use either the words "Zell" or "Miller" ?

Hypothetical question of the day: Would it be worse to
be discovered to be incorrect, or to appear to be telling a deliberate
falsehood in order to cover up an honest mistake? Do they shoot right
wingers
for being wrong, or something?



I just googled and got 76 hits. Don't you know how to google Chuck?

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"Comcast News" wrote in message
news:U7rRc.249766$JR4.209866@attbi_s54...
Jim,

I do not understand your problem with Gould 0738, while he seems to be
very
liberal, he is one of the few people in here who contributes to off topic
posts who does not sound like a 4th graders in the playground calling
each
other names.

Since it seems off topic posts will continue to be a mainstay in
rec.boats,
it would be nice if they were intelligent and not the same tripe that is
repeated by the majority of off topic posters. I mean how many times can
you say "you are stupid", "no I am not, you are", "I am witting and smart,
but you are a buttwipe".




I like Chuck. Yes, he is very liberal and he has every right to hold that
political stance. But I will take him to task on his posts that I disagree
with.

My posts do not generally degrade into the childish insults you mention.
Krause, jps and Basskisser are the ones you should direct your comments to
as they are the main offenders.