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And you servered in what service and where? Why is military experience so
important now? It isn't. Did you miss this part? Figger it out, you guys. We're trying to figure who is most qualified to be POTUS, not which of these inept characters is least qualified to lead men into combat. I get a case of the hee-haws, however, when the GOP rounds up 250 guys who claim they served with Kerry on his 7-man boat during his four months of combat duty and then tries to make a case that because of the nature of his military experience he is unqualified to serve as CIC. Flunking or refusing the drug test in the Texas Air National Guard seems to be GWB's sole claim to military experience, so you guys should lighten up on Kerry about his. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... And you servered in what service and where? Why is military experience so important now? It isn't. Did you miss this part? Figger it out, you guys. We're trying to figure who is most qualified to be POTUS, not which of these inept characters is least qualified to lead men into combat. I get a case of the hee-haws, however, when the GOP rounds up 250 guys who claim they served with Kerry on his 7-man boat during his four months of combat duty and then tries to make a case that because of the nature of his military experience he is unqualified to serve as CIC. Flunking or refusing the drug test in the Texas Air National Guard seems to be GWB's sole claim to military experience, so you guys should lighten up on Kerry about his. LOL! I guess you missed the convention and most of his ads........Kerry has made it a key note issue. He has to suffer through the fallout and criticism. You never commented on what Maureen Dowd, a fairly liberal editorialist, had to say about him and his touting of his military service. I posted her comments for you yesterday but never read a reply from you.....as expected. ;-) |
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You never commented on what Maureen Dowd, a fairly liberal editorialist, had
to say about him and his touting of his military service. I posted her comments for you yesterday but never read a reply from you.....as expected. ;-) If I wanted to debate Ms. Dowd I would e-mail her directly. Really support our troops. Join "Soldiers for The Truth". http://www.sftt.org/ |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... You never commented on what Maureen Dowd, a fairly liberal editorialist, had to say about him and his touting of his military service. I posted her comments for you yesterday but never read a reply from you.....as expected. ;-) If I wanted to debate Ms. Dowd I would e-mail her directly. Meaning, I know us Democrats, I mean Progressives, have been caught in a hypocritical vice and we really can't figure out how to get out of it so we'll ignore the issues when it suits us. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... jim-- wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... jim-- wrote: "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Better yet, why did he ask Spielberg to add the effects of gun fire in the water to those films and add them to his video at the convention? Very strange. Cite? My bad...James Moll, partner of Spielberg. http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200407301059.asp http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc81.htm Let's try for some legit sources, eh, crap-for-brains? Why are they not legit? Because *you* say so? I offered the proof. Perhaps you can show that the links are wrong. You offered up two notoriously conservative websites. No more credible than the Moonie paper, Faux news, or NewsCraps. Don't you look at anything legit? No wonder you are so ****ed in the head. They are more credible than the New York Times. There's your problem right there, fella. You're beyond salvation. Even Jesus can't save you now. -- "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 |
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Meaning, I know us Democrats, I mean Progressives, have been caught in a
hypocritical vice and we really can't figure out how to get out of it so we'll ignore the issues when it suits us. Meaning, if a poster can't express his ideas in his own words and must put up a wholesale cut and paste instead- it's extremely unlikely that person would comprehend a rebuttal. You deserve a rebuttal when you say something in the first person, not when you cut 'n paste. Same goes for some of the folks with less repressive ideals, too. |
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says... On 03 Aug 2004 14:57:22 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote: Better yet, why did he ask Spielberg to add the effects of gun fire in the water to those films and add them to his video at the convention? Very strange. Cite? ************ Really support our troops. Join "Soldiers for The Truth". http://www.sftt.org/ Or better yet: http://www.swiftvets.com Hey Schmuck, Swiftvets weren't on Kerry's boat. All the men who were stand by Kerry's side. Who better than to judge Kerry than the men who relied on him to command? Someone from another boat? Right. |
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says... On 03 Aug 2004 06:55:21 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote: More than 250 Swift boat veterans have now signed an open letter to Senator Kerry challenging his fitness to serve as commander-in-chief of America's armed forces. Heck yes. We're much better off with the guy who ran and hid from his duty than a guy who at least showed up. Kerry sure got around, apparently. 250 people that he met in Viet Nam while commanding his swift boat were all consciously forming opinions of the 20-something's fitness to be president. No one ran and hid, Harry. Bush went into the Guard and flew F102's. Until they started testing for drugs. Then he mysteriously didn't show. jps |
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In article , gould0738
@aol.com says... Why look at biased news sources when you have statements direct from the individuals? 250 individuals who all claim to have served with Kerry on a boat with a six man crew. And all six are accounted for, the remaining that are alive that is -- all standing by Kerry. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Meaning, I know us Democrats, I mean Progressives, have been caught in a hypocritical vice and we really can't figure out how to get out of it so we'll ignore the issues when it suits us. Meaning, if a poster can't express his ideas in his own words and must put up a wholesale cut and paste instead- it's extremely unlikely that person would comprehend a rebuttal. You deserve a rebuttal when you say something in the first person, not when you cut 'n paste. Same goes for some of the folks with less repressive ideals, too. I only offered one paragraph of her editorial, which followed several paragraphs of my own thoughts. I believe I was responding to one of your posts, a post that was 99% cut and paste with credit given to the original author. Hypocrite. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... No wonder you are so ****ed in the head. Wow, it looks like Harry is very upset about all of this. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Meaning, if a poster can't express his ideas in his own words and must put up a wholesale cut and paste instead- it's extremely unlikely that person would comprehend a rebuttal. Gould are you talking about jps and Harry? |
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Keep plugging, Chuck. You're starting to sound an awful lot like Harry and/or
b'asskisser. John, even though you are losing badly in our discussion of issues and would dearly love to divert to an exchange of insults at this point in time, you'll have to find somebody else to suck into that game. Really support our troops. Join "Soldiers for The Truth". http://www.sftt.org/ |
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Gould are you talking about jps and Harry?
I'm thinking that if you had quoted my entire statement, (that my opinion applied to people on both sides of the issues), you would not need to point out two of the primary cut and past moderate liberals as specific examples. Really support our troops. Join "Soldiers for The Truth". http://www.sftt.org/ |
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They are the two primary cut and paste posters in the group regardless of
political preferences. I was just glad that you agree that the two of them do not have the ability to comprehend any logical train of thought. "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Gould are you talking about jps and Harry? I'm thinking that if you had quoted my entire statement, (that my opinion applied to people on both sides of the issues), you would not need to point out two of the primary cut and past moderate liberals as specific examples. Really support our troops. Join "Soldiers for The Truth". http://www.sftt.org/ |
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John,
When you said Chuck sounded like Harry and basskisser, he took that as a insult. To be fair to Chuck, don't you think anyone would be insulted to be compared to those two? ;) "JohnH" wrote in message ... On 04 Aug 2004 14:41:09 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote: Keep plugging, Chuck. You're starting to sound an awful lot like Harry and/or b'asskisser. John, even though you are losing badly in our discussion of issues and would dearly love to divert to an exchange of insults at this point in time, you'll have to find somebody else to suck into that game. Really support our troops. Join "Soldiers for The Truth". http://www.sftt.org/ Losing? I'm not even debating. You know very little about the workings of the National Guard. I spent two years as an advisor to National Guard and Reserve units. You, et al, are taking things you hear on TV (biased) and using them to denigrate the President, knowing nothing of the facts. As to an exchange of insults, how have I insulted you? John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Keep plugging, Chuck. You're starting to sound an awful lot like Harry and/or b'asskisser. John, even though you are losing badly in our discussion of issues and would dearly love to divert to an exchange of insults at this point in time, you'll have to find somebody else to suck into that game. Chuck, I suggest you take some time off like you did before. You are showing signs of a meltdown similar to the one you had last year. |
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"John Smith" wrote in message news:U4aQc.207240$%_6.29801@attbi_s01...
John, When you said Chuck sounded like Harry and basskisser, he took that as a insult. To be fair to Chuck, don't you think anyone would be insulted to be compared to those two? ;) What an idiot you truly are. Glad to see you're still a proud member of the R.W.C.J. club, and againt this week, John H is your circle buddy!!! |
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On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 08:44:26 -0700, jps wrote:
In article , says... On 03 Aug 2004 15:48:09 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote: Why look at biased news sources when you have statements direct from the individuals? 250 individuals who all claim to have served with Kerry on a boat with a six man crew. Swift Boat Veterans for Truth was launched on May 4, 2004 at a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington. Eighteen Navy combat veterans and commanders went on the record opposing John Kerry's bid for the Presidency, including the entire chain of command above Lt. Kerry in Vietnam, and men who had fought at his side. More than 250 Swift boat veterans have now signed an open letter to Senator Kerry challenging his fitness to serve as commander-in-chief of America's armed forces. None of which were on his boat. They're veterans who don't like that Kerry spoke out about what he saw in Vietnam, or are staunch Republicans willing to attach their word to anything that help Republicans. I trust the guys who fought with him under his command. So you are saying that you believe that over 250 guys who were there at the same time as Kerry are all lying, but Kerry is the pillar of truth? You are on very shakey statistical ground..... Dave |
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So you are saying that you believe that over 250 guys who were there
at the same time as Kerry are all lying, but Kerry is the pillar of truth? You are on very shakey statistical ground..... Dave I say that everybody who served with Kerry supports him. As for the rest of the list, it surely went like this: "Oh nuts. We've been militarizing the country for the last three years. Now it looks like the D's have actually found somebody with a silver star and three purple hearts to run. That's bad for us. Quick, get out the list of guys who were in the Navy in 'Nam. How many you got there? 17,000? OK, get on the phone and see if you can find a few hundred who will say they knew John Kerry in the service and who will sign a letter saying that based on a casual observation or passing acquaintance with the guy 35 years ago, they formed a solid opinion that he is unfit to be commander in chief. Got to be at least that many Republicans in the batch." See John McCain's comments on this. The swiftboat veterans are phony as hell. McCain has called on Bush to repudiate the ads. That has to say something, doesn't it? |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... So you are saying that you believe that over 250 guys who were there at the same time as Kerry are all lying, but Kerry is the pillar of truth? You are on very shakey statistical ground..... Dave I say that everybody who served with Kerry supports him. Then you would be wrong. |
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Then you would be wrong.
That's easy to measure. Which of the crew members who served on Kery's boat, other than the guy who's dead, does not support him? Really support our troops. Join "Soldiers for The Truth". http://www.sftt.org/ |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Then you would be wrong. That's easy to measure. Which of the crew members who served on Kery's boat, other than the guy who's dead, does not support him? More than half of them. |
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More than half of them.
My math is bad. Six man crew. Five guys taking time of from their lives to actively campaign for their old skipper. One guy dead. Where's the "more than half"? |
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Gould 0738 wrote:
More than half of them. My math is bad. Six man crew. Five guys taking time of from their lives to actively campaign for their old skipper. One guy dead. Where's the "more than half"? Someone popped Dennis' top years ago, and all his fizz escaped. -- "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 |
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I trust the guys who fought with him under his command. So you are saying that you believe that over 250 guys who were there at the same time as Kerry are all lying, but Kerry is the pillar of truth? You are on very shakey statistical ground..... Dave Maybe this tidbit will help clear things up. Even Republican John McCain knows it is nothing short of a political ploy, packed with untruths: McCain condemns anti-Kerry ads, calls on White House to follow suit RON FOURNIER, AP Political Writer Thursday, August 5, 2004 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (08-05) 10:20 PDT WASHINGTON (AP) -- Republican Sen. John McCain, a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, called an ad criticizing John Kerry's military service "dishonest and dishonorable" and urged the White House on Thursday to condemn it as well. The White House declined. "It was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me," McCain said in an interview with The Associated Press, comparing the anti-Kerry ad to tactics in his bitter Republican primary fight with President Bush. The 60-second ad features Vietnam veterans who accuse the Democratic presidential nominee of lying about his decorated Vietnam War record and betraying his fellow veterans by later opposing the conflict. "When the chips were down, you could not count on John Kerry," one of the veterans, Larry Thurlow, says in the ad. Thurlow didn't serve on Kerry's swiftboat, but says he witnessed the events that led to Kerry winning a Bronze Star and the last of his three Purple Hearts. Kerry's crewmates support the candidate and call him a hero. The ad, scheduled to air in a few markets in Ohio, West Virginia and Wisconsin, was produced by Stevens, Reed, Curcio and Potham, the same team that produced McCain's ads in 2000. "I wish they hadn't done it," McCain said of his former advisers. "I don't know if they knew all the facts." Asked if the White House knew about the ad or helped find financing for it, McCain said, "I hope not, but I don't know. But I think the Bush campaign should specifically condemn the ad." McCain, chairman of Bush's campaign in Arizona, later said the Bush campaign has denied any involvement and added, "I can't believe the president would pull such a cheap stunt." White House spokesman Scott McClellan declined to condemn the ad. He did denounce the proliferation of spending by independent groups, such as the anti-Kerry veterans organization, that are playing on both sides of the political fence. "The president thought he got rid of this unregulated soft money when he signed the bipartisan campaign finance reform into law," McClellan said. A chief sponsor of that bill, which Bush initially opposed, was McCain. In 2000, Bush's supporters sponsored a rumor campaign against McCain in the South Carolina primary, helping Bush win the primary and the nomination. McCain's supporters have never forgiven the Bush team. McCain said that's all in the past to him, but he's speaking out against the anti-Kerry ad because "it reopens all the old wounds of the Vietnam War, which I spent the last 35 years trying to heal." "I deplore this kind of politics," McCain said. "I think the ad is dishonest and dishonorable. As it is, none of these individuals served on the boat (Kerry) commanded. Many of his crew have testified to his courage under fire. I think John Kerry served honorably in Vietnam. I think George Bush served honorably in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War." Retired Adm. Roy Hoffmann, head of the Swift Boat group, said they respected McCain's "right to express his opinion and we hope he extends to us the same respect and courtesy, particularly since we served with John Kerry, we knew him well and Sen. McCain did not." McCain himself spent more than five years in a Vietnam prisoner of war camp. A bona fide war hero, McCain, like Kerry, used his war record as the foundation of his presidential campaign. The Kerry campaign has denounced the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, saying none of the men in the ad served on the boat that Kerry commanded. Three veterans on Kerry's boat that day -- Jim Rassmann, who says Kerry saved his life, Gene Thorson and Del Sandusky, the driver on Kerry's boat, said the group was lying. They say Kerry was injured, and Rassmann called the group's account "pure fabrication." Hoffmann said none of the 13 veterans in the commercial served on Kerry's boat but rather were in other swiftboats within 50 yards of Kerry's. The group claims that there was no gunfire on the day Kerry pulled Rassmann from a muddy river in the Mekong Delta and that Kerry's arm was not wounded, as he has claimed. |
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"WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:40:06 -0700, jps wrote That's a man of honor. Not if you take a close look, McCain is an opportunist and quite disingenuous on a number of fronts. McCain of Keating Five fame. Don't you remember the S&L crisis of the 80's. |
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On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:53:43 -0700, jps wrote:
In article , says... "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Then you would be wrong. That's easy to measure. Which of the crew members who served on Kery's boat, other than the guy who's dead, does not support him? More than half of them. Huh? I'm pretty sure it's 11 of the 12 he served with (on two boats). NONE of the swiftboatvetsfortruth of whatever the hell they're called served with Kerry. jps Hey...*I* was on active duty in the Navy in 1967-1969. *I* must have served with Kerry, too! Joe Parsons |
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In article ,
says... On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:53:43 -0700, jps wrote: In article , says... "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Then you would be wrong. That's easy to measure. Which of the crew members who served on Kery's boat, other than the guy who's dead, does not support him? More than half of them. Huh? I'm pretty sure it's 11 of the 12 he served with (on two boats). NONE of the swiftboatvetsfortruth of whatever the hell they're called served with Kerry. jps Hey...*I* was on active duty in the Navy in 1967-1969. *I* must have served with Kerry, too! Joe Parsons So, the difference is that you're not politically motivated to participate in a character assassination pig pile? I find it interesting that 250 guys who didn't know Kerry are willing to step up to heap bad juju on him while NO ONE will show up to vouch for Bush not being AWOL. Irony? I think so! jps |
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On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 19:26:34 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:
Not if you take a close look, McCain is an opportunist and quite disingenuous on a number of fronts. McCain of Keating Five fame. Don't you remember the S&L crisis of the 80's. An argument can be made that it should have been the Keating Three. The independent counsel at that time, recommended both McCain and Glenn be dropped from the investigation. It clearly wasn't McCain's finest moment, but perhaps, it made him a better Senator. His judgment hasn't been perfect, but he appears to be a man of honor. http://www.sptimes.com/News/020500/W...his_slat.shtml http://www.azcentral.com/specials/sp...cainbook5.html |
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thunder wrote:
On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 19:26:34 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote: Not if you take a close look, McCain is an opportunist and quite disingenuous on a number of fronts. McCain of Keating Five fame. Don't you remember the S&L crisis of the 80's. An argument can be made that it should have been the Keating Three. The independent counsel at that time, recommended both McCain and Glenn be dropped from the investigation. It clearly wasn't McCain's finest moment, but perhaps, it made him a better Senator. His judgment hasn't been perfect, but he appears to be a man of honor. http://www.sptimes.com/News/020500/W...his_slat.shtml http://www.azcentral.com/specials/sp...cainbook5.html Isn't it amazing how these RepubliCraps go after any, even their own, who don't toe the line? It really is a BORG-like collective. -- "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... thunder wrote: On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 19:26:34 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote: Not if you take a close look, McCain is an opportunist and quite disingenuous on a number of fronts. McCain of Keating Five fame. Don't you remember the S&L crisis of the 80's. An argument can be made that it should have been the Keating Three. The independent counsel at that time, recommended both McCain and Glenn be dropped from the investigation. It clearly wasn't McCain's finest moment, but perhaps, it made him a better Senator. His judgment hasn't been perfect, but he appears to be a man of honor. http://www.sptimes.com/News/020500/W...his_slat.shtml http://www.azcentral.com/specials/sp...cainbook5.html Isn't it amazing how these RepubliCraps go after any, even their own, who don't toe the line? It really is a BORG-like collective. Isn't it amazing that when a Republican screws up the Repbulicans are the ones the mete out the punishment. But, when a Democrat screws up the Democrats all get in line and say it wasn't that bad, integrity doesn't matter. |
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Isn't it amazing how these RepubliCraps go after any, even their own,
who don't toe the line? It really is a BORG-like collective. Some of our conservative friends are embarrassed by McCain. Particularly when he condemns sick, twisted, screwball attacks and dirty politics. Nobody notices or cares when the *victim* gripes about the low blows. The offenders can even say, "Oh, there was nothing wrong with distorting the truth, it's just politics so it's OK. What dirty-arsed trick can we think of for next week?" However, when a guy on your own side says, "Hold on, that's untrue and dirty!" it's like that pesty voice of conscience that the offenders have been rationalizing away all along. It's uncomfortable. Nobody wants to get a good look at their own behavior when it is reprehensible. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Isn't it amazing how these RepubliCraps go after any, even their own, who don't toe the line? It really is a BORG-like collective. Some of our conservative friends are embarrassed by McCain. Particularly when he condemns sick, twisted, screwball attacks and dirty politics. Nobody notices or cares when the *victim* gripes about the low blows. The offenders can even say, "Oh, there was nothing wrong with distorting the truth, it's just politics so it's OK. What dirty-arsed trick can we think of for next week?" However, when a guy on your own side says, "Hold on, that's untrue and dirty!" it's like that pesty voice of conscience that the offenders have been rationalizing away all along. It's uncomfortable. Nobody wants to get a good look at their own behavior when it is reprehensible. Sort of like Zel Miller being ashamed of the tactics of the Democratic party? |
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Sort of like Zel Miller being ashamed of the tactics of the Democratic
party? That's an excellent comparison, and it's rather frank of you to admit that the dirt is a "tactic" of the Republican party. If there has been a groundswell of liberal attacks on Miller, however, I've missed it. You don't have to go any farther into the world than this little NG to see right wingers insulting McCain ("whiner", etc) for trying to promote some sort of honesty in presidential politics. |
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