On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:54:54 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Half a boat length of chain is the recommended minimum. Most serious
cruisers are using all chain (with a snubber) for a variety of good
reasons.

Did you get a copy of Chapman's yet ? You'll learn a lot from it and
get more details than anyone here can provide:

http://www.amazon.com/Chapman-Piloti...Small-Handling

Yes, have a copy though not the latest. So, a 40' boat would have at least
20 feet. Seems like with all chain that could get pretty heavy if you need
to get it out without a windlass... Seems like picking a good place with
(among other things) less likelihood of coral would mean you wouldn't need
to have as much use for all chain.


There are a number of ways to pull a heavy anchor and chain without a
windlass, but a windlass is certainly the preferred way of doing it.
Most serious cruisers prefer all chain simply because it provides more
security when anchoring, and when you are living on your boat in
remote places, that counts for a lot. Chain sets faster because the
catenary effect reduces the angle of pull on the anchor. Chain offers
a great deal of protection from accidental or intentional
cuts/abrasion. Chain has a very high ultimate breaking strength,
etc., etc.

99 out of 100 international/offshore cruising boats can't be all
wrong. Get the big anchor, get the chain, and get the windlass
unless you intend to spend all of your time in a marina.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:54:54 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Half a boat length of chain is the recommended minimum. Most serious
cruisers are using all chain (with a snubber) for a variety of good
reasons.

Did you get a copy of Chapman's yet ? You'll learn a lot from it and
get more details than anyone here can provide:

http://www.amazon.com/Chapman-Piloti...Small-Handling

Yes, have a copy though not the latest. So, a 40' boat would have at least
20 feet. Seems like with all chain that could get pretty heavy if you need
to get it out without a windlass... Seems like picking a good place with
(among other things) less likelihood of coral would mean you wouldn't need
to have as much use for all chain.


There are a number of ways to pull a heavy anchor and chain without a
windlass, but a windlass is certainly the preferred way of doing it.
Most serious cruisers prefer all chain simply because it provides more
security when anchoring, and when you are living on your boat in
remote places, that counts for a lot. Chain sets faster because the
catenary effect reduces the angle of pull on the anchor. Chain offers
a great deal of protection from accidental or intentional
cuts/abrasion. Chain has a very high ultimate breaking strength,
etc., etc.

99 out of 100 international/offshore cruising boats can't be all
wrong. Get the big anchor, get the chain, and get the windlass
unless you intend to spend all of your time in a marina.

Interesting... I'd like to know how you would go about raising an anchor
with all that chain by hand? I didn't read anything like that so far. You
can't put the chain on a regular winch right? So, I was thinking you would
have to sail up to just above the anchor, but that's still a lot of
chain/anchor.

Not saying the cruisers are wrong... obviously they're right. I'm just
wondering how they do it, esp. in the case of mechanism failure. That's the
point of being a sailor.. dealing with adversity, etc.

On Jun 14, 11:44*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:54:54 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Half a boat length of chain is the recommended minimum. * Most serious
cruisers are using all chain (with a snubber) for a variety of good
reasons.

Did you get a copy of Chapman's yet ? * You'll learn a lot from it and
get more details than anyone here can provide:

http://www.amazon.com/Chapman-Piloti...Small-Handling

Yes, have a copy though not the latest. So, a 40' boat would have at least
20 feet. Seems like with all chain that could get pretty heavy if you need
to get it out without a windlass... Seems like picking a good place with
(among other things) less likelihood of coral would mean you wouldn't need
to have as much use for all chain.

There are a number of ways to pull a heavy anchor and chain without a
windlass, but a windlass is certainly the preferred way of doing it.
Most serious cruisers prefer all chain simply because it provides more
security when anchoring, and when you are living on your boat in
remote places, that counts for a lot. *Chain sets faster because *the
catenary effect reduces the angle of pull on the anchor. *Chain offers
a great deal of protection from accidental or intentional
cuts/abrasion. * Chain has a very high ultimate breaking strength,
etc., etc.

99 out of 100 international/offshore cruising boats can't be all
wrong. * Get the big anchor, get the chain, and get the windlass
unless you intend to spend all of your time in a marina.

Interesting... I'd like to know how you would go about raising an anchor
with all that chain by hand? I didn't read anything like that so far. You
can't put the chain on a regular winch right? So, I was thinking you would
have to sail up to just above the anchor, but that's still a lot of
chain/anchor.

Not saying the cruisers are wrong... obviously they're right. I'm just
wondering how they do it, esp. in the case of mechanism failure. That's the
point of being a sailor.. dealing with adversity, etc.

I'm glad you know what defines a sailor, D'Plume. I'd say you're ready
for your yacht now.

On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:44:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Not saying the cruisers are wrong... obviously they're right. I'm just
wondering how they do it, esp. in the case of mechanism failure. That's the
point of being a sailor.. dealing with adversity, etc.

The solution(s) are left as a student excercise as they become more
familiar with boats, boating, equipment and seamanship.

Hint: Necessity is the mother of invention.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:44:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Not saying the cruisers are wrong... obviously they're right. I'm just
wondering how they do it, esp. in the case of mechanism failure. That's
the
point of being a sailor.. dealing with adversity, etc.

The solution(s) are left as a student excercise as they become more
familiar with boats, boating, equipment and seamanship.

Hint: Necessity is the mother of invention.

So, you're unable or unwilling to answer a question? So much for your
credentials....

On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:47:54 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:44:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Not saying the cruisers are wrong... obviously they're right. I'm just
wondering how they do it, esp. in the case of mechanism failure. That's
the
point of being a sailor.. dealing with adversity, etc.

The solution(s) are left as a student excercise as they become more
familiar with boats, boating, equipment and seamanship.

Hint: Necessity is the mother of invention.

So, you're unable or unwilling to answer a question? So much for your
credentials....


Student exercises have a long and honored tradition within the
educational system. Yours is due by 8:00AM Monday. Non-responders
will receive a failing grade. Extra points awarded for especially
creative solutions and solid attempts at joie de vivre/good humor.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:47:54 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:44:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Not saying the cruisers are wrong... obviously they're right. I'm just
wondering how they do it, esp. in the case of mechanism failure. That's
the
point of being a sailor.. dealing with adversity, etc.

The solution(s) are left as a student excercise as they become more
familiar with boats, boating, equipment and seamanship.

Hint: Necessity is the mother of invention.

So, you're unable or unwilling to answer a question? So much for your
credentials....


Student exercises have a long and honored tradition within the
educational system. Yours is due by 8:00AM Monday. Non-responders
will receive a failing grade. Extra points awarded for especially
creative solutions and solid attempts at joie de vivre/good humor.

Yep.. you're unable to answer the question. So much for your expertise.

nom=de=plume wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:47:54 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:44:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Not saying the cruisers are wrong... obviously they're right. I'm just
wondering how they do it, esp. in the case of mechanism failure.
That's
the
point of being a sailor.. dealing with adversity, etc.

The solution(s) are left as a student excercise as they become more
familiar with boats, boating, equipment and seamanship.

Hint: Necessity is the mother of invention.

So, you're unable or unwilling to answer a question? So much for your
credentials....


Student exercises have a long and honored tradition within the
educational system. Yours is due by 8:00AM Monday. Non-responders
will receive a failing grade. Extra points awarded for especially
creative solutions and solid attempts at joie de vivre/good humor.

Yep.. you're unable to answer the question. So much for your expertise.

What question? All your questions have been answered.
But you want to argue instead of learn.
In case you're still asking about how to hoist chain hand over hand if
you don't have a windlass, it goes one of two ways.
Left hand pulls, then right hand, or right hand pulls, then left hand.
So it depends which hand you start pulling with.
Let me know if that didn't answer your question.
Or maybe you want to argue about coral?

Jim - Wearing my Helpful Hat.

On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 16:42:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Student exercises have a long and honored tradition within the
educational system. Yours is due by 8:00AM Monday. Non-responders
will receive a failing grade. Extra points awarded for especially
creative solutions and solid attempts at joie de vivre/good humor.

Yep.. you're unable to answer the question. So much for your expertise.


Exactly what is it about a homework assignment that you don't
understand ?

nom=de=plume wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:54:54 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Half a boat length of chain is the recommended minimum. Most serious
cruisers are using all chain (with a snubber) for a variety of good
reasons.

Did you get a copy of Chapman's yet ? You'll learn a lot from it and
get more details than anyone here can provide:

http://www.amazon.com/Chapman-Piloti...Small-Handling

Yes, have a copy though not the latest. So, a 40' boat would have at
least
20 feet. Seems like with all chain that could get pretty heavy if
you need
to get it out without a windlass... Seems like picking a good place
with
(among other things) less likelihood of coral would mean you
wouldn't need
to have as much use for all chain.


There are a number of ways to pull a heavy anchor and chain without a
windlass, but a windlass is certainly the preferred way of doing it.
Most serious cruisers prefer all chain simply because it provides more
security when anchoring, and when you are living on your boat in
remote places, that counts for a lot. Chain sets faster because the
catenary effect reduces the angle of pull on the anchor. Chain offers
a great deal of protection from accidental or intentional
cuts/abrasion. Chain has a very high ultimate breaking strength,
etc., etc.

99 out of 100 international/offshore cruising boats can't be all
wrong. Get the big anchor, get the chain, and get the windlass
unless you intend to spend all of your time in a marina.

Interesting... I'd like to know how you would go about raising an
anchor with all that chain by hand? I didn't read anything like that
so far. You can't put the chain on a regular winch right? So, I was
thinking you would have to sail up to just above the anchor, but
that's still a lot of chain/anchor.

Not saying the cruisers are wrong... obviously they're right. I'm just
wondering how they do it, esp. in the case of mechanism failure.
That's the point of being a sailor.. dealing with adversity, etc.


If the windlass fails, you cut and run. I'll bet there are tens of
thousands of anchors on the bottom of the ocean that were stuck and the
Captain had no other choice.