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"Harry" wrote in message m... On 6/16/10 7:55 AM, Moose wrote: On 6/16/2010 12:16 AM, nom=de=plume wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:40:05 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Exactly what is it about a homework assignment that you don't understand ? You're not my teacher. Perhaps not, you need one however. Assignments are due 8:00 AM Monday. Creativity counts. Joie de vivre counts more. Savoir faire? Priceless. You really are starting to sound like a jerk. If you're not able to answer the question, why not just say so. It might be a learning experience for you. It's call humility. You can give a bitch a fish and feed her once or teach her how to fish and feed her for life. I don't believe anyone asked for the details of your marriage. LOL |
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"YukonBound" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:40:05 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Exactly what is it about a homework assignment that you don't understand ? You're not my teacher. Perhaps not, you need one however. Assignments are due 8:00 AM Monday. Creativity counts. Joie de vivre counts more. Savoir faire? Priceless. You really are starting to sound like a jerk. If you're not able to answer the question, why not just say so. It might be a learning experience for you. It's call humility. If you're waiting for a show of humility from some of the 'know it alls' in here, I hope you brought your lunch. It'll be a long wait. I brought my lunch... yes. :) |
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"TopBassDog" wrote in message ... On Jun 15, 9:41 pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 16:42:47 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Student exercises have a long and honored tradition within the educational system. Yours is due by 8:00AM Monday. Non-responders will receive a failing grade. Extra points awarded for especially creative solutions and solid attempts at joie de vivre/good humor. Yep.. you're unable to answer the question. So much for your expertise. Exactly what is it about a homework assignment that you don't understand ? Relax Wayne B. there is no need to proceed any further. As a seasoned sailor you have no credibility. After all, the wench has spoken. That's right Wayne. You should listen to Mr. TopBozo |
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"Moose" wrote in message ... On 6/16/2010 2:25 AM, nom=de=plume wrote: "TopBassDog" wrote in message ... On Jun 15, 8:45 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:54:54 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Half a boat length of chain is the recommended minimum. Most serious cruisers are using all chain (with a snubber) for a variety of good reasons. Did you get a copy of Chapman's yet ? You'll learn a lot from it and get more details than anyone here can provide: http://www.amazon.com/Chapman-Piloti...Small-Handling Yes, have a copy though not the latest. So, a 40' boat would have at least 20 feet. Seems like with all chain that could get pretty heavy if you need to get it out without a windlass... Seems like picking a good place with (among other things) less likelihood of coral would mean you wouldn't need to have as much use for all chain. There are a number of ways to pull a heavy anchor and chain without a windlass, but a windlass is certainly the preferred way of doing it. Most serious cruisers prefer all chain simply because it provides more security when anchoring, and when you are living on your boat in remote places, that counts for a lot. Chain sets faster because the catenary effect reduces the angle of pull on the anchor. Chain offers a great deal of protection from accidental or intentional cuts/abrasion. Chain has a very high ultimate breaking strength, etc., etc. 99 out of 100 international/offshore cruising boats can't be all wrong. Get the big anchor, get the chain, and get the windlass unless you intend to spend all of your time in a marina. Interesting... I'd like to know how you would go about raising an anchor with all that chain by hand? I didn't read anything like that so far. You can't put the chain on a regular winch right? So, I was thinking you would have to sail up to just above the anchor, but that's still a lot of chain/anchor. Not saying the cruisers are wrong... obviously they're right. I'm just wondering how they do it, esp. in the case of mechanism failure. That's the point of being a sailor.. dealing with adversity, etc. If the windlass fails, you cut and run. I'll bet there are tens of thousands of anchors on the bottom of the ocean that were stuck and the Captain had no other choice. Really? How much does 100' of chain and a big anchor cost? You're going to leave it? What guage of chain and how heavy and what type of an anchor? No idea. I'd imagine that chain/anchor for a 40' boat would be pretty significant. Sounds pretty stupid to me, but you don't own a boat, right? So, you wouldn't even have a clue. It is evident you don't own one D'Plume and never will. Especially anything that would require 100 ft. of chain.. I've said I don't own a boat. I have been to the Carib, where a lot of chain on a rental boat is pretty common. I bet you own one of the little putt-putt boats that make a nuisance. Ahhh I'ts a brand new day, The sun is low on the horizon. The birds are chirping, and Nom De Plume Has been burning the midnight oil making a fool of herself. Hello World. Ahh... you're still an idiot. Nothing has changed. Even the birds are smarter. |
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"TopBassDog" wrote in message ... On Jun 15, 8:46 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Larry" wrote in message om... nom=de=plume wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message m... On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 22:18:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I have no doubt that coral exists in lots of places. Seems to me that you can almost always avoid them if you're careful. Not always true, depends on where you are. Seems like a contradiction to me. If it depends on where you are, and you know there's coral "there," then you should be able to avoid that place. Also, I said almost always... not always. You said that "there is no real need to avoid them," but in the previous sentence said that they "are very sharp and abrasive." Seems to me that there is a real need to avoid them. There is no need to avoid them for ecological reasons, and assuming you have a decent length of chain attached to your anchor, as everyone should, there is no reason to be concerned about abrasion either. I guess it depends on the definition of "decent length" of chain. Is that 20' or 30' or all chain or what? Seems open to interpretation. And, if you have less than a decent amount, and you know you're going to a place that potentially has coral, seems reasonable to either avoid that place, get more chain, or talk to the locals before you try to anchor. Talk to the locals? Now that's funny! Nom: Hi! I'm going to go on a cruise and I will be anchoring at exactly 37.846474,-122.664127. Is that a suitable area to anchor? Locals: Say what? You have a LOT to learn! Lat/Lon in the SF area? Seems rather more precise than you can really be with a GPS. I guess you'd be unable to get any info about the conditions before you go, because you're incapable of using a phone, VHF, two cans with a string between them? You have a LOT to learn! Talk with the locals and good luck with that. ... dumb and dumber... Ah, again you are gazing into the magic mirror, D'Plume? Looking at you and Moobozo. |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Jun 14, 4:52 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:35:13 -0400, Wiley wrote: Pass the popcorn. The dumpster Diva is going to teach Wayne all about coral, and ground tackle. This should be good. Heh. There's always more to learn but I will be filtering carefully. :-) So, Wayne... for someone who promotes "teaching" is this kind of comment one you approve of? Apparently it is, since you think he's amusing. Yet, you have no problem scolding me about _my_ attitude... OK, I'll jump in here. I didn't see Wayne aproving of anyone elses comments, and I didn't see where Wayne thought the other post[s] were amusing. But Wayne is a great sailor and not only with his Grand Banks but is an accomplished wind sailor/racer. I have no doubt that Wayne is a great sailor. He said it the very last post: jerkPass the popcorn. The dumpster Diva is going to teach Wayne all about jerkcoral, and ground tackle. This should be good. wayne Heh. wayne There's always more to learn but I will be filtering carefully. :-) So, was he amused or not, in your humble opinion, by the dumpster Diva reference? If I was to be a sail or a trawler, I wouldnt' take his advice lightly. From what I understand the reason why there is so much chain involved is not only to thwart scrapes that would cut a rope but the weight of the chain helps to set the anchor. There's more than one reason to use chain and the length of the chain than what seems to be of face value. Ok. And what about retrieving the chain if you don't have help from the windlass? You are looking at 40'+ boats without a windlass? Keep on trollin' Please show me where I said that. What I said was what happens if it fails to work. So, you're just an idiot. You never asked that question. You're the one claiming I said something when I didn't. You're a liar AND an idiot. No, you never asked "what happens if it fails to work", dip****. |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:54:54 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Half a boat length of chain is the recommended minimum. Most serious cruisers are using all chain (with a snubber) for a variety of good reasons. Did you get a copy of Chapman's yet ? You'll learn a lot from it and get more details than anyone here can provide: http://www.amazon.com/Chapman-Piloti...Small-Handling Yes, have a copy though not the latest. So, a 40' boat would have at least 20 feet. Seems like with all chain that could get pretty heavy if you need to get it out without a windlass... Seems like picking a good place with (among other things) less likelihood of coral would mean you wouldn't need to have as much use for all chain. There are a number of ways to pull a heavy anchor and chain without a windlass, but a windlass is certainly the preferred way of doing it. Most serious cruisers prefer all chain simply because it provides more security when anchoring, and when you are living on your boat in remote places, that counts for a lot. Chain sets faster because the catenary effect reduces the angle of pull on the anchor. Chain offers a great deal of protection from accidental or intentional cuts/abrasion. Chain has a very high ultimate breaking strength, etc., etc. 99 out of 100 international/offshore cruising boats can't be all wrong. Get the big anchor, get the chain, and get the windlass unless you intend to spend all of your time in a marina. Interesting... I'd like to know how you would go about raising an anchor with all that chain by hand? I didn't read anything like that so far. You can't put the chain on a regular winch right? So, I was thinking you would have to sail up to just above the anchor, but that's still a lot of chain/anchor. Not saying the cruisers are wrong... obviously they're right. I'm just wondering how they do it, esp. in the case of mechanism failure. That's the point of being a sailor.. dealing with adversity, etc. If the windlass fails, you cut and run. I'll bet there are tens of thousands of anchors on the bottom of the ocean that were stuck and the Captain had no other choice. Really? How much does 100' of chain and a big anchor cost? You're going to leave it? Sounds pretty stupid to me, but you don't own a boat, right? So, you wouldn't even have a clue. Unlike you, I do own a boat - my fourth actually. What does the cost of the anchor and it's rode have to do with it? If you can't recover it you don't call AAA and fix your makeup while you wait for them. It only "sounds" stupid to you because you _are_ stupid. |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 22:18:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I have no doubt that coral exists in lots of places. Seems to me that you can almost always avoid them if you're careful. Not always true, depends on where you are. Seems like a contradiction to me. If it depends on where you are, and you know there's coral "there," then you should be able to avoid that place. Also, I said almost always... not always. You said that "there is no real need to avoid them," but in the previous sentence said that they "are very sharp and abrasive." Seems to me that there is a real need to avoid them. There is no need to avoid them for ecological reasons, and assuming you have a decent length of chain attached to your anchor, as everyone should, there is no reason to be concerned about abrasion either. I guess it depends on the definition of "decent length" of chain. Is that 20' or 30' or all chain or what? Seems open to interpretation. And, if you have less than a decent amount, and you know you're going to a place that potentially has coral, seems reasonable to either avoid that place, get more chain, or talk to the locals before you try to anchor. Talk to the locals? Now that's funny! Nom: Hi! I'm going to go on a cruise and I will be anchoring at exactly 37.846474,-122.664127. Is that a suitable area to anchor? Locals: Say what? You have a LOT to learn! Lat/Lon in the SF area? Seems rather more precise than you can really be with a GPS. I guess you'd be unable to get any info about the conditions before you go, because you're incapable of using a phone, VHF, two cans with a string between them? You have a LOT to learn! Talk with the locals and good luck with that. So you don't think local knowledge is important... dumb and dumber... For offshore anchoring miles away? Ever look at a chart, expert? It's a bit tougher than a road map. |
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Harry wrote:
On 6/16/10 8:32 AM, Moose wrote: On 6/16/2010 7:57 AM, Harry wrote: On 6/16/10 7:55 AM, Moose wrote: On 6/16/2010 12:16 AM, nom=de=plume wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:40:05 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Exactly what is it about a homework assignment that you don't understand ? You're not my teacher. Perhaps not, you need one however. Assignments are due 8:00 AM Monday. Creativity counts. Joie de vivre counts more. Savoir faire? Priceless. You really are starting to sound like a jerk. If you're not able to answer the question, why not just say so. It might be a learning experience for you. It's call humility. You can give a bitch a fish and feed her once or teach her how to fish and feed her for life. I don't believe anyone asked for the details of your marriage. No.We were discussing Wayne's failed attempt to get Da Plume to think and solve problems on her own rather than be spoon fed the answers. To you, being told what to think and say is a way of life, so I can understand why you are standing by her decision not to learn. W'hine is an arrogant asshole. But your comment does prove my oft-stated point here, that rec.boats is *not* the place to ask and get answered serious boating questions. Fortunately, there are some moderated discussion groups where ****heads like you would be tossed at the first opportunity. Has that ever happened to you? Is that why you still post your bull**** here? |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Jun 14, 4:52 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:35:13 -0400, Wiley wrote: Pass the popcorn. The dumpster Diva is going to teach Wayne all about coral, and ground tackle. This should be good. Heh. There's always more to learn but I will be filtering carefully. :-) So, Wayne... for someone who promotes "teaching" is this kind of comment one you approve of? Apparently it is, since you think he's amusing. Yet, you have no problem scolding me about _my_ attitude... OK, I'll jump in here. I didn't see Wayne aproving of anyone elses comments, and I didn't see where Wayne thought the other post[s] were amusing. But Wayne is a great sailor and not only with his Grand Banks but is an accomplished wind sailor/racer. I have no doubt that Wayne is a great sailor. He said it the very last post: jerkPass the popcorn. The dumpster Diva is going to teach Wayne all about jerkcoral, and ground tackle. This should be good. wayne Heh. wayne There's always more to learn but I will be filtering carefully. :-) So, was he amused or not, in your humble opinion, by the dumpster Diva reference? If I was to be a sail or a trawler, I wouldnt' take his advice lightly. From what I understand the reason why there is so much chain involved is not only to thwart scrapes that would cut a rope but the weight of the chain helps to set the anchor. There's more than one reason to use chain and the length of the chain than what seems to be of face value. Ok. And what about retrieving the chain if you don't have help from the windlass? You are looking at 40'+ boats without a windlass? Keep on trollin' Please show me where I said that. What I said was what happens if it fails to work. So, you're just an idiot. You never asked that question. You're the one claiming I said something when I didn't. You're a liar AND an idiot. No, you never asked "what happens if it fails to work", dip****. Well, you're a liar and a dip****. You win! |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:54:54 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Half a boat length of chain is the recommended minimum. Most serious cruisers are using all chain (with a snubber) for a variety of good reasons. Did you get a copy of Chapman's yet ? You'll learn a lot from it and get more details than anyone here can provide: http://www.amazon.com/Chapman-Piloti...Small-Handling Yes, have a copy though not the latest. So, a 40' boat would have at least 20 feet. Seems like with all chain that could get pretty heavy if you need to get it out without a windlass... Seems like picking a good place with (among other things) less likelihood of coral would mean you wouldn't need to have as much use for all chain. There are a number of ways to pull a heavy anchor and chain without a windlass, but a windlass is certainly the preferred way of doing it. Most serious cruisers prefer all chain simply because it provides more security when anchoring, and when you are living on your boat in remote places, that counts for a lot. Chain sets faster because the catenary effect reduces the angle of pull on the anchor. Chain offers a great deal of protection from accidental or intentional cuts/abrasion. Chain has a very high ultimate breaking strength, etc., etc. 99 out of 100 international/offshore cruising boats can't be all wrong. Get the big anchor, get the chain, and get the windlass unless you intend to spend all of your time in a marina. Interesting... I'd like to know how you would go about raising an anchor with all that chain by hand? I didn't read anything like that so far. You can't put the chain on a regular winch right? So, I was thinking you would have to sail up to just above the anchor, but that's still a lot of chain/anchor. Not saying the cruisers are wrong... obviously they're right. I'm just wondering how they do it, esp. in the case of mechanism failure. That's the point of being a sailor.. dealing with adversity, etc. If the windlass fails, you cut and run. I'll bet there are tens of thousands of anchors on the bottom of the ocean that were stuck and the Captain had no other choice. Really? How much does 100' of chain and a big anchor cost? You're going to leave it? Sounds pretty stupid to me, but you don't own a boat, right? So, you wouldn't even have a clue. Unlike you, I do own a boat - my fourth actually. What does the cost of the anchor and it's rode have to do with it? If you can't recover it you don't call AAA and fix your makeup while you wait for them. It only "sounds" stupid to you because you _are_ stupid. Unlike you, I'm not a moron. Looking at the West Marine website, an anchor for a 40' boat costs about $400 plus 100' of chain at $5/ft is $500. So, that's nearly $1000 you, the moron, is willing to leave on the bottom. I guess stupid is as stupid does. |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 22:18:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I have no doubt that coral exists in lots of places. Seems to me that you can almost always avoid them if you're careful. Not always true, depends on where you are. Seems like a contradiction to me. If it depends on where you are, and you know there's coral "there," then you should be able to avoid that place. Also, I said almost always... not always. You said that "there is no real need to avoid them," but in the previous sentence said that they "are very sharp and abrasive." Seems to me that there is a real need to avoid them. There is no need to avoid them for ecological reasons, and assuming you have a decent length of chain attached to your anchor, as everyone should, there is no reason to be concerned about abrasion either. I guess it depends on the definition of "decent length" of chain. Is that 20' or 30' or all chain or what? Seems open to interpretation. And, if you have less than a decent amount, and you know you're going to a place that potentially has coral, seems reasonable to either avoid that place, get more chain, or talk to the locals before you try to anchor. Talk to the locals? Now that's funny! Nom: Hi! I'm going to go on a cruise and I will be anchoring at exactly 37.846474,-122.664127. Is that a suitable area to anchor? Locals: Say what? You have a LOT to learn! Lat/Lon in the SF area? Seems rather more precise than you can really be with a GPS. I guess you'd be unable to get any info about the conditions before you go, because you're incapable of using a phone, VHF, two cans with a string between them? You have a LOT to learn! Talk with the locals and good luck with that. So you don't think local knowledge is important... dumb and dumber... For offshore anchoring miles away? Ever look at a chart, expert? It's a bit tougher than a road map. ?? Typically, when you go somewhere, you umm.. know where you're going? Well, maybe not in your case. So, the chart gives you some idea, but I guess you're unwilling to perhaps ask if there's another boat already there? Yeah, you're dumb and arrogant. That's a bad combination! |
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On Jun 16, 7:11*pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Larry" wrote in message om... nom=de=plume wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message m... On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:54:54 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Half a boat length of chain is the recommended minimum. * Most serious cruisers are using all chain (with a snubber) for a variety of good reasons. Did you get a copy of Chapman's yet ? * You'll learn a lot from it and get more details than anyone here can provide: http://www.amazon.com/Chapman-Piloti...Small-Handling Yes, have a copy though not the latest. So, a 40' boat would have at least 20 feet. Seems like with all chain that could get pretty heavy if you need to get it out without a windlass... Seems like picking a good place with (among other things) less likelihood of coral would mean you wouldn't need to have as much use for all chain. There are a number of ways to pull a heavy anchor and chain without a windlass, but a windlass is certainly the preferred way of doing it.. Most serious cruisers prefer all chain simply because it provides more security when anchoring, and when you are living on your boat in remote places, that counts for a lot. *Chain sets faster because *the catenary effect reduces the angle of pull on the anchor. *Chain offers a great deal of protection from accidental or intentional cuts/abrasion. * Chain has a very high ultimate breaking strength, etc., etc. 99 out of 100 international/offshore cruising boats can't be all wrong. * Get the big anchor, get the chain, and get the windlass unless you intend to spend all of your time in a marina. Interesting... I'd like to know how you would go about raising an anchor with all that chain by hand? I didn't read anything like that so far. You can't put the chain on a regular winch right? So, I was thinking you would have to sail up to just above the anchor, but that's still a lot of chain/anchor. Not saying the cruisers are wrong... obviously they're right. I'm just wondering how they do it, esp. in the case of mechanism failure. That's the point of being a sailor.. dealing with adversity, etc. If the windlass fails, you cut and run. *I'll bet there are tens of thousands of anchors on the bottom of the ocean that were stuck and the Captain had no other choice. Really? How much does 100' of chain and a big anchor cost? You're going to leave it? Sounds pretty stupid to me, but you don't own a boat, right? So, you wouldn't even have a clue. Unlike you, I do own a boat - my fourth actually. *What does the cost of the anchor and it's rode have to do with it? *If you can't recover it you don't call AAA and fix your makeup while you wait for them. *It only "sounds" stupid to you because you _are_ stupid. Unlike you, I'm not a moron. Looking at the West Marine website, an anchor for a 40' boat costs about $400 plus 100' of chain at $5/ft is $500. So, that's nearly $1000 you, the moron, is willing to leave on the bottom. I guess stupid is as stupid does.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I must be stupid as well, because if it was a choice of cut the anchor because my (or my friends/families) saftey was at risk, and/or jeprodising my 40 ft boat that could be valued at over a million dollars, I would too. I'm sure these guys would have cut the anchor loose if they had the chance to do it all over again. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquis_Cooper |
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"Tim" wrote in message ... On Jun 16, 7:11 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Larry" wrote in message om... nom=de=plume wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message m... On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:54:54 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Half a boat length of chain is the recommended minimum. Most serious cruisers are using all chain (with a snubber) for a variety of good reasons. Did you get a copy of Chapman's yet ? You'll learn a lot from it and get more details than anyone here can provide: http://www.amazon.com/Chapman-Piloti...Small-Handling Yes, have a copy though not the latest. So, a 40' boat would have at least 20 feet. Seems like with all chain that could get pretty heavy if you need to get it out without a windlass... Seems like picking a good place with (among other things) less likelihood of coral would mean you wouldn't need to have as much use for all chain. There are a number of ways to pull a heavy anchor and chain without a windlass, but a windlass is certainly the preferred way of doing it. Most serious cruisers prefer all chain simply because it provides more security when anchoring, and when you are living on your boat in remote places, that counts for a lot. Chain sets faster because the catenary effect reduces the angle of pull on the anchor. Chain offers a great deal of protection from accidental or intentional cuts/abrasion. Chain has a very high ultimate breaking strength, etc., etc. 99 out of 100 international/offshore cruising boats can't be all wrong. Get the big anchor, get the chain, and get the windlass unless you intend to spend all of your time in a marina. Interesting... I'd like to know how you would go about raising an anchor with all that chain by hand? I didn't read anything like that so far. You can't put the chain on a regular winch right? So, I was thinking you would have to sail up to just above the anchor, but that's still a lot of chain/anchor. Not saying the cruisers are wrong... obviously they're right. I'm just wondering how they do it, esp. in the case of mechanism failure. That's the point of being a sailor.. dealing with adversity, etc. If the windlass fails, you cut and run. I'll bet there are tens of thousands of anchors on the bottom of the ocean that were stuck and the Captain had no other choice. Really? How much does 100' of chain and a big anchor cost? You're going to leave it? Sounds pretty stupid to me, but you don't own a boat, right? So, you wouldn't even have a clue. Unlike you, I do own a boat - my fourth actually. What does the cost of the anchor and it's rode have to do with it? If you can't recover it you don't call AAA and fix your makeup while you wait for them. It only "sounds" stupid to you because you _are_ stupid. Unlike you, I'm not a moron. Looking at the West Marine website, an anchor for a 40' boat costs about $400 plus 100' of chain at $5/ft is $500. So, that's nearly $1000 you, the moron, is willing to leave on the bottom. I guess stupid is as stupid does.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I must be stupid as well, because if it was a choice of cut the anchor because my (or my friends/families) saftey was at risk, and/or jeprodising my 40 ft boat that could be valued at over a million dollars, I would too. I'm sure these guys would have cut the anchor loose if they had the chance to do it all over again. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquis_Cooper I don't see anywhere that Larry mentioned "safety was at risk" or jeopardizing the boat was an issue. The original query was how one retrieves an anchor/chain if no windlass is operational. I posited that one could drive up to above the anchor, but that would still mean lifting lots of weight. Wayne implied there was another solution, but so far has refused to name it. I totally agree... if safety of the boat or people were an issue, $1000 or $10,000 is nothing in comparison. In the case of the person in the link, I think they probably didn't know what to do until the boat had already flipped. |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
I don't see anywhere that Larry mentioned "safety was at risk" or jeopardizing the boat was an issue. The original query was how one retrieves an anchor/chain if no windlass is operational. I posited that one could drive up to above the anchor, but that would still mean lifting lots of weight. Wayne implied there was another solution, but so far has refused to name it. You have to think a little. First off, unless you're talking +300 feet of small boat anchor chain, it ain't heavy. And the anchor ain't heavy either. So if the anchor is free there's no big problem not having a windlass. You hand over hand it. If the anchor is stuck firm and can't be loosened, you have to snip the chain. You retrieve as mush as possible first so you don't lose much. It's not usual to anchor is +40 feet of water. Now if you aren't strong enough to pull it up when the windlass breaks down, you just tie a line to the chain as low as is practical and use a winch on the rope. Repeat as needed. I don't know about what knot to use or anything like that because I never done it. But I bet I could. Because I think. Works something like this. Nietzsche: "To do is to be." Kant: "To be is to do." Sinatra: "Do be do be do…" Just have to remember who you are and keep your head. For hand over handing Sinatra works best. Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl? |
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"Jim" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: I don't see anywhere that Larry mentioned "safety was at risk" or jeopardizing the boat was an issue. The original query was how one retrieves an anchor/chain if no windlass is operational. I posited that one could drive up to above the anchor, but that would still mean lifting lots of weight. Wayne implied there was another solution, but so far has refused to name it. You have to think a little. First off, unless you're talking +300 feet of small boat anchor chain, it ain't heavy. And the anchor ain't heavy either. So if the anchor is free there's no big problem not having a windlass. You hand over hand it. If the anchor is stuck firm and can't be loosened, you have to snip the chain. You retrieve as mush as possible first so you don't lose much. It's not usual to anchor is +40 feet of water. Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was, perhaps wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly substantial. How much does a typical anchor for that size of boat weigh? How think would the chain be/or weight of 100' of it? Now if you aren't strong enough to pull it up when the windlass breaks down, you just tie a line to the chain as low as is practical and use a winch on the rope. Repeat as needed. Nice! Didn't think of that. Of course, that would take a lot of repeat as needed, but assuming there's no huge rush, it would be doable. I don't know about what knot to use or anything like that because I never done it. But I bet I could. The knots I've been practicing are the bowline, reefing knot, stopper, clove hitch, and sheet bend. I was told about animatedknots.com, which is a pretty cool site. Because I think. Works something like this. Nietzsche: "To do is to be." Kant: "To be is to do." Sinatra: "Do be do be do…" Cheech and Chong: "Dobee!" Just have to remember who you are and keep your head. For hand over handing Sinatra works best. ?? Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl? You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just keep in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have sailed plenty in the past. |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was, perhaps wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly substantial. How much does a typical anchor for that size of boat weigh? How think would the chain be/or weight of 100' of it? 40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away with lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor anyway to handle different bottoms. 3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per 100'. The 5/16" is probably good for your boat. But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only usually talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain. And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the water surface. For hand over handing Sinatra works best. ?? Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche. Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl? You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just keep in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have sailed plenty in the past. Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with. Count on it. Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you just want to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work. |
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:05:08 -0500, Jim wrote:
Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with. Count on it. Hints for the day: What is a "rolling hitch"? What is a "chain hook"? What is a "snatch block"? |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:05:08 -0500, Jim wrote: Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with. Count on it. Hints for the day: What is a "rolling hitch"? What is a "chain hook"? What is a "snatch block"? So, you're just playing dumb games. Rolling hitch is for taking strain off an existing line. Not sure what that has to do with raising an anchor hand over hand. Sure a chain hook/snatch block, but actually Jim really answered the question. In fact, I pretty much answered it, but you're so caught up in your "expert" level you didn't see it. |
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"Jim" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was, perhaps wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly substantial. How much does a typical anchor for that size of boat weigh? How think would the chain be/or weight of 100' of it? 40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away with lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor anyway to handle different bottoms. 3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per 100'. The 5/16" is probably good for your boat. But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only usually talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain. And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the water surface. For hand over handing Sinatra works best. ?? Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche. Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl? You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just keep in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have sailed plenty in the past. Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with. Count on it. Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you just want to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work. I know it won't work. lol Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so that would make it easy to get leverage. |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was, perhaps wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly substantial. How much does a typical anchor for that size of boat weigh? How think would the chain be/or weight of 100' of it? 40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away with lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor anyway to handle different bottoms. 3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per 100'. The 5/16" is probably good for your boat. But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only usually talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain. And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the water surface. For hand over handing Sinatra works best. ?? Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche. Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl? You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just keep in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have sailed plenty in the past. Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with. Count on it. Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you just want to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work. I know it won't work. lol Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so that would make it easy to get leverage. Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be wrong. |
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"Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was, perhaps wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly substantial. How much does a typical anchor for that size of boat weigh? How think would the chain be/or weight of 100' of it? 40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away with lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor anyway to handle different bottoms. 3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per 100'. The 5/16" is probably good for your boat. But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only usually talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain. And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the water surface. For hand over handing Sinatra works best. ?? Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche. Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl? You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just keep in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have sailed plenty in the past. Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with. Count on it. Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you just want to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work. I know it won't work. lol Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so that would make it easy to get leverage. Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be wrong. Yes, we know you don't think: Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make something easier. |
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"Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was, perhaps wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly substantial. How much does a typical anchor for that size of boat weigh? How think would the chain be/or weight of 100' of it? 40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away with lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor anyway to handle different bottoms. 3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per 100'. The 5/16" is probably good for your boat. But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only usually talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain. And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the water surface. For hand over handing Sinatra works best. ?? Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche. Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl? You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just keep in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have sailed plenty in the past. Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with. Count on it. Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you just want to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work. I know it won't work. lol Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so that would make it easy to get leverage. Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be wrong. Yes, we know you don't think: Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make something easier. Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't gain you mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same weight. So, basically, you're wrong about the "I don't think so." No need to fess up. Obviously, it doesn't give one mechanical advantage in the sense of a two or more pulley system. But, it actually does give one mechanical advantage, since it decreases the friction. If it didn't give you mechanical advantage (Ratio of resistance force to effort force in a machine), then why have a roller? Would you like to try again? |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was, perhaps wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly substantial. How much does a typical anchor for that size of boat weigh? How think would the chain be/or weight of 100' of it? 40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away with lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor anyway to handle different bottoms. 3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per 100'. The 5/16" is probably good for your boat. But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only usually talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain. And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the water surface. For hand over handing Sinatra works best. ?? Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche. Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl? You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just keep in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have sailed plenty in the past. Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with. Count on it. Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you just want to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work. I know it won't work. lol Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so that would make it easy to get leverage. Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be wrong. Yes, we know you don't think: Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make something easier. Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't gain you mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same weight. |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was, perhaps wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly substantial. How much does a typical anchor for that size of boat weigh? How think would the chain be/or weight of 100' of it? 40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away with lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor anyway to handle different bottoms. 3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per 100'. The 5/16" is probably good for your boat. But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only usually talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain. And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the water surface. For hand over handing Sinatra works best. ?? Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche. Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl? You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just keep in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have sailed plenty in the past. Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with. Count on it. Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you just want to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work. I know it won't work. lol Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so that would make it easy to get leverage. Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be wrong. Yes, we know you don't think: Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make something easier. Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't gain you mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same weight. So, basically, you're wrong about the "I don't think so." No need to fess up. Obviously, it doesn't give one mechanical advantage in the sense of a two or more pulley system. But, it actually does give one mechanical advantage, since it decreases the friction. If it didn't give you mechanical advantage (Ratio of resistance force to effort force in a machine), then why have a roller? Would you like to try again? Nope. I shouldn't have bothered to try to help you in the first place since your objective is not to learn but to win an arguement. Stay stupid if you want. I don't care. |
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"Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was, perhaps wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly substantial. How much does a typical anchor for that size of boat weigh? How think would the chain be/or weight of 100' of it? 40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away with lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor anyway to handle different bottoms. 3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per 100'. The 5/16" is probably good for your boat. But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only usually talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain. And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the water surface. For hand over handing Sinatra works best. ?? Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche. Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl? You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just keep in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have sailed plenty in the past. Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with. Count on it. Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you just want to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work. I know it won't work. lol Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so that would make it easy to get leverage. Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be wrong. Yes, we know you don't think: Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make something easier. Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't gain you mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same weight. So, basically, you're wrong about the "I don't think so." No need to fess up. Obviously, it doesn't give one mechanical advantage in the sense of a two or more pulley system. But, it actually does give one mechanical advantage, since it decreases the friction. If it didn't give you mechanical advantage (Ratio of resistance force to effort force in a machine), then why have a roller? Would you like to try again? Nope. I shouldn't have bothered to try to help you in the first place since your objective is not to learn but to win an arguement. Stay stupid if you want. I don't care. You should have bothered, but you should have actually tried to help vs. spout off about how terrible and dumb I am, and then "help" by giving totally bogus information. |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was, perhaps wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly substantial. How much does a typical anchor for that size of boat weigh? How think would the chain be/or weight of 100' of it? 40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away with lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor anyway to handle different bottoms. 3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per 100'. The 5/16" is probably good for your boat. But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only usually talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain. And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the water surface. For hand over handing Sinatra works best. ?? Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche. Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl? You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just keep in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have sailed plenty in the past. Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with. Count on it. Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you just want to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work. I know it won't work. lol Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so that would make it easy to get leverage. Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be wrong. Yes, we know you don't think: Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make something easier. Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't gain you mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same weight. So, basically, you're wrong about the "I don't think so." No need to fess up. Obviously, it doesn't give one mechanical advantage in the sense of a two or more pulley system. But, it actually does give one mechanical advantage, since it decreases the friction. If it didn't give you mechanical advantage (Ratio of resistance force to effort force in a machine), then why have a roller? Would you like to try again? Nope. I shouldn't have bothered to try to help you in the first place since your objective is not to learn but to win an arguement. Stay stupid if you want. I don't care. You should have bothered, but you should have actually tried to help vs. spout off about how terrible and dumb I am, and then "help" by giving totally bogus information. Bogus? I beg to differ. |
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"Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was, perhaps wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly substantial. How much does a typical anchor for that size of boat weigh? How think would the chain be/or weight of 100' of it? 40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away with lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor anyway to handle different bottoms. 3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per 100'. The 5/16" is probably good for your boat. But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only usually talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain. And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the water surface. For hand over handing Sinatra works best. ?? Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche. Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl? You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just keep in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have sailed plenty in the past. Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with. Count on it. Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you just want to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work. I know it won't work. lol Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so that would make it easy to get leverage. Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be wrong. Yes, we know you don't think: Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make something easier. Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't gain you mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same weight. So, basically, you're wrong about the "I don't think so." No need to fess up. Obviously, it doesn't give one mechanical advantage in the sense of a two or more pulley system. But, it actually does give one mechanical advantage, since it decreases the friction. If it didn't give you mechanical advantage (Ratio of resistance force to effort force in a machine), then why have a roller? Would you like to try again? Nope. I shouldn't have bothered to try to help you in the first place since your objective is not to learn but to win an arguement. Stay stupid if you want. I don't care. You should have bothered, but you should have actually tried to help vs. spout off about how terrible and dumb I am, and then "help" by giving totally bogus information. Bogus? I beg to differ. Yes. Bogus. You first claimed that leverage was the wrong usage. Then, you claimed there was no mechanical advantage. Both were totally bogus claims. |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was, perhaps wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly substantial. How much does a typical anchor for that size of boat weigh? How think would the chain be/or weight of 100' of it? 40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away with lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor anyway to handle different bottoms. 3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per 100'. The 5/16" is probably good for your boat. But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only usually talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain. And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the water surface. For hand over handing Sinatra works best. ?? Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche. Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl? You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just keep in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have sailed plenty in the past. Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with. Count on it. Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you just want to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work. I know it won't work. lol Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so that would make it easy to get leverage. Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be wrong. Yes, we know you don't think: Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make something easier. Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't gain you mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same weight. So, basically, you're wrong about the "I don't think so." No need to fess up. Obviously, it doesn't give one mechanical advantage in the sense of a two or more pulley system. But, it actually does give one mechanical advantage, since it decreases the friction. If it didn't give you mechanical advantage (Ratio of resistance force to effort force in a machine), then why have a roller? Would you like to try again? Nope. I shouldn't have bothered to try to help you in the first place since your objective is not to learn but to win an arguement. Stay stupid if you want. I don't care. You should have bothered, but you should have actually tried to help vs. spout off about how terrible and dumb I am, and then "help" by giving totally bogus information. He's just mad because you treat him like the rest of the women in his life... with distain and little respect. |
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:46:40 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: So, you're just playing dumb games. Rolling hitch is for taking strain off an existing line. Not sure what that has to do with raising an anchor hand over hand. Sure a chain hook/snatch block, but actually Jim really answered the question. In fact, I pretty much answered it, but you're so caught up in your "expert" level you didn't see it. Last week you had much to learn. This week nothing has changed. Nice job getting the Moose to help with your homework. Is that what you call "leverage" ? Some would call it man power. |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was, perhaps wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly substantial. How much does a typical anchor for that size of boat weigh? How think would the chain be/or weight of 100' of it? 40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away with lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor anyway to handle different bottoms. 3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per 100'. The 5/16" is probably good for your boat. But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only usually talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain. And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the water surface. For hand over handing Sinatra works best. ?? Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche. Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl? You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just keep in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have sailed plenty in the past. Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with. Count on it. Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you just want to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work. I know it won't work. lol Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so that would make it easy to get leverage. Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be wrong. Yes, we know you don't think: Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make something easier. Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't gain you mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same weight. So, basically, you're wrong about the "I don't think so." No need to fess up. Obviously, it doesn't give one mechanical advantage in the sense of a two or more pulley system. But, it actually does give one mechanical advantage, since it decreases the friction. If it didn't give you mechanical advantage (Ratio of resistance force to effort force in a machine), then why have a roller? Would you like to try again? Nope. I shouldn't have bothered to try to help you in the first place since your objective is not to learn but to win an arguement. Stay stupid if you want. I don't care. You should have bothered, but you should have actually tried to help vs. spout off about how terrible and dumb I am, and then "help" by giving totally bogus information. Bogus? I beg to differ. Yes. Bogus. You first claimed that leverage was the wrong usage. Then, you claimed there was no mechanical advantage. Both were totally bogus claims. Hate to break it to you dippy. You are wrong on both counts. The roller in question serves as a pivot point. It relieves chafing on fibre line, gives the chain a smooth surface to run across relatively friction free, and prevents damage to the hull/deck. No leverage. No mechanical advantage. You are out of your element. End of discussion. Period. Go away kid. You bother me. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:46:40 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: So, you're just playing dumb games. Rolling hitch is for taking strain off an existing line. Not sure what that has to do with raising an anchor hand over hand. Sure a chain hook/snatch block, but actually Jim really answered the question. In fact, I pretty much answered it, but you're so caught up in your "expert" level you didn't see it. Last week you had much to learn. This week nothing has changed. Nice job getting the Moose to help with your homework. Is that what you call "leverage" ? Some would call it man power. Yes, it's called leverage. It's called woman power... vastly underrated, much more impressive. |
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"YukonBound" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was, perhaps wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly substantial. How much does a typical anchor for that size of boat weigh? How think would the chain be/or weight of 100' of it? 40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away with lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor anyway to handle different bottoms. 3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per 100'. The 5/16" is probably good for your boat. But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only usually talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain. And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the water surface. For hand over handing Sinatra works best. ?? Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche. Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl? You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just keep in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have sailed plenty in the past. Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with. Count on it. Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you just want to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work. I know it won't work. lol Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so that would make it easy to get leverage. Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be wrong. Yes, we know you don't think: Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make something easier. Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't gain you mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same weight. So, basically, you're wrong about the "I don't think so." No need to fess up. Obviously, it doesn't give one mechanical advantage in the sense of a two or more pulley system. But, it actually does give one mechanical advantage, since it decreases the friction. If it didn't give you mechanical advantage (Ratio of resistance force to effort force in a machine), then why have a roller? Would you like to try again? Nope. I shouldn't have bothered to try to help you in the first place since your objective is not to learn but to win an arguement. Stay stupid if you want. I don't care. You should have bothered, but you should have actually tried to help vs. spout off about how terrible and dumb I am, and then "help" by giving totally bogus information. He's just mad because you treat him like the rest of the women in his life... with distain and little respect. Who was just given the ultumatum to remove his rehab equipment from the house? Who drives a girly car? Who is tasked with taking care of the boy's needs? Next thing she'll be ordering you to make room for a sofa in your front room. Who is the pussy whipped old fart now? |
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"Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was, perhaps wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly substantial. How much does a typical anchor for that size of boat weigh? How think would the chain be/or weight of 100' of it? 40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away with lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor anyway to handle different bottoms. 3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per 100'. The 5/16" is probably good for your boat. But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only usually talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain. And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the water surface. For hand over handing Sinatra works best. ?? Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche. Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl? You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just keep in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have sailed plenty in the past. Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with. Count on it. Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you just want to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work. I know it won't work. lol Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so that would make it easy to get leverage. Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be wrong. Yes, we know you don't think: Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make something easier. Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't gain you mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same weight. So, basically, you're wrong about the "I don't think so." No need to fess up. Obviously, it doesn't give one mechanical advantage in the sense of a two or more pulley system. But, it actually does give one mechanical advantage, since it decreases the friction. If it didn't give you mechanical advantage (Ratio of resistance force to effort force in a machine), then why have a roller? Would you like to try again? Nope. I shouldn't have bothered to try to help you in the first place since your objective is not to learn but to win an arguement. Stay stupid if you want. I don't care. You should have bothered, but you should have actually tried to help vs. spout off about how terrible and dumb I am, and then "help" by giving totally bogus information. Bogus? I beg to differ. Yes. Bogus. You first claimed that leverage was the wrong usage. Then, you claimed there was no mechanical advantage. Both were totally bogus claims. Hate to break it to you dippy. You are wrong on both counts. The roller in question serves as a pivot point. It relieves chafing on fibre line, gives the chain a smooth surface to run across relatively friction free, and prevents damage to the hull/deck. No leverage. No mechanical advantage. You are out of your element. End of discussion. Period. Go away kid. You bother me. Wow. I guess you are stupid. I even copied and pasted the definitions for you. You're a LOSER. Sorry, but you're the one leaving. I'm right here posting. |
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"YukonBound" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was, perhaps wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly substantial. How much does a typical anchor for that size of boat weigh? How think would the chain be/or weight of 100' of it? 40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away with lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor anyway to handle different bottoms. 3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per 100'. The 5/16" is probably good for your boat. But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only usually talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain. And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the water surface. For hand over handing Sinatra works best. ?? Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche. Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl? You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just keep in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have sailed plenty in the past. Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with. Count on it. Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you just want to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work. I know it won't work. lol Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so that would make it easy to get leverage. Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be wrong. Yes, we know you don't think: Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make something easier. Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't gain you mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same weight. So, basically, you're wrong about the "I don't think so." No need to fess up. Obviously, it doesn't give one mechanical advantage in the sense of a two or more pulley system. But, it actually does give one mechanical advantage, since it decreases the friction. If it didn't give you mechanical advantage (Ratio of resistance force to effort force in a machine), then why have a roller? Would you like to try again? Nope. I shouldn't have bothered to try to help you in the first place since your objective is not to learn but to win an arguement. Stay stupid if you want. I don't care. You should have bothered, but you should have actually tried to help vs. spout off about how terrible and dumb I am, and then "help" by giving totally bogus information. He's just mad because you treat him like the rest of the women in his life... with distain and little respect. I was trying to be nice and teach him something about words and meanings. Sadly, he failed to learn anything. |
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"Moose" wrote in message ... "YukonBound" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was, perhaps wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly substantial. How much does a typical anchor for that size of boat weigh? How think would the chain be/or weight of 100' of it? 40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away with lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor anyway to handle different bottoms. 3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per 100'. The 5/16" is probably good for your boat. But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only usually talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain. And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the water surface. For hand over handing Sinatra works best. ?? Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche. Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl? You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just keep in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have sailed plenty in the past. Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with. Count on it. Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you just want to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work. I know it won't work. lol Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so that would make it easy to get leverage. Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be wrong. Yes, we know you don't think: Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make something easier. Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't gain you mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same weight. So, basically, you're wrong about the "I don't think so." No need to fess up. Obviously, it doesn't give one mechanical advantage in the sense of a two or more pulley system. But, it actually does give one mechanical advantage, since it decreases the friction. If it didn't give you mechanical advantage (Ratio of resistance force to effort force in a machine), then why have a roller? Would you like to try again? Nope. I shouldn't have bothered to try to help you in the first place since your objective is not to learn but to win an arguement. Stay stupid if you want. I don't care. You should have bothered, but you should have actually tried to help vs. spout off about how terrible and dumb I am, and then "help" by giving totally bogus information. He's just mad because you treat him like the rest of the women in his life... with distain and little respect. Who was just given the ultumatum to remove his rehab equipment from the house? Who drives a girly car? Who is tasked with taking care of the boy's needs? Next thing she'll be ordering you to make room for a sofa in your front room. Who is the pussy whipped old fart now? You, apparently. You can't admit when you're wrong and when you're proved wrong, you take your (tiny) marbles and go home. |
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:34:20 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: Yes, it's called leverage. It's called woman power... vastly underrated, much more impressive. So I was driving around the Bahamas the other day on the wrong side of the road, as is the quaint British custom here, and chanced upon a sign saying: "Slow, Dangerous Curve". To which I said to my sweetie, "nonsense, the most dangerous curve in the world is the one on a woman's butt." |
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On 17/06/2010 2:28 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
"Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was, perhaps wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly substantial. How much does a typical anchor for that size of boat weigh? How think would the chain be/or weight of 100' of it? 40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away with lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor anyway to handle different bottoms. 3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per 100'. The 5/16" is probably good for your boat. But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only usually talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain. And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the water surface. For hand over handing Sinatra works best. ?? Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche. Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl? You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just keep in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have sailed plenty in the past. Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with. Count on it. Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you just want to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work. I know it won't work. lol Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so that would make it easy to get leverage. Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be wrong. Yes, we know you don't think: Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make something easier. Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't gain you mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same weight. So, basically, you're wrong about the "I don't think so." No need to fess up. Obviously, it doesn't give one mechanical advantage in the sense of a two or more pulley system. But, it actually does give one mechanical advantage, since it decreases the friction. If it didn't give you mechanical advantage (Ratio of resistance force to effort force in a machine), then why have a roller? Would you like to try again? Nope. I shouldn't have bothered to try to help you in the first place since your objective is not to learn but to win an arguement. Stay stupid if you want. I don't care. You should have bothered, but you should have actually tried to help vs. spout off about how terrible and dumb I am, and then "help" by giving totally bogus information. We could argue thow dumb you are, but no one would disagree that you are dumb. -- Taxation, modern day slavery. The loss of economic freedom. |
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nom=de=plume wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Larry" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: "Tim" wrote in message ... On Jun 14, 4:52 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:35:13 -0400, Wiley wrote: Pass the popcorn. The dumpster Diva is going to teach Wayne all about coral, and ground tackle. This should be good. Heh. There's always more to learn but I will be filtering carefully. :-) So, Wayne... for someone who promotes "teaching" is this kind of comment one you approve of? Apparently it is, since you think he's amusing. Yet, you have no problem scolding me about _my_ attitude... OK, I'll jump in here. I didn't see Wayne aproving of anyone elses comments, and I didn't see where Wayne thought the other post[s] were amusing. But Wayne is a great sailor and not only with his Grand Banks but is an accomplished wind sailor/racer. I have no doubt that Wayne is a great sailor. He said it the very last post: jerkPass the popcorn. The dumpster Diva is going to teach Wayne all about jerkcoral, and ground tackle. This should be good. wayne Heh. wayne There's always more to learn but I will be filtering carefully. :-) So, was he amused or not, in your humble opinion, by the dumpster Diva reference? If I was to be a sail or a trawler, I wouldnt' take his advice lightly. From what I understand the reason why there is so much chain involved is not only to thwart scrapes that would cut a rope but the weight of the chain helps to set the anchor. There's more than one reason to use chain and the length of the chain than what seems to be of face value. Ok. And what about retrieving the chain if you don't have help from the windlass? You are looking at 40'+ boats without a windlass? Keep on trollin' Please show me where I said that. What I said was what happens if it fails to work. So, you're just an idiot. You never asked that question. You're the one claiming I said something when I didn't. You're a liar AND an idiot. No, you never asked "what happens if it fails to work", dip****. Well, you're a liar and a dip****. You win! I never snipped the post. It's all on Google. |
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Moose" wrote in message ... "nom=de=plume" wrote in message ... "Jim" wrote in message ... nom=de=plume wrote: Well, we're talking about 40' boat, so my assumption was, perhaps wrong, that the chain/anchor would be fairly substantial. How much does a typical anchor for that size of boat weigh? How think would the chain be/or weight of 100' of it? 40-50 pounds ballpark for an anchor but you can easily get away with lighter in most conditions. You'll have more than one anchor anyway to handle different bottoms. 3/8" G40 chain is 154 lbs.for 100'. 5/16" G40 is 110 lbs. per 100'. The 5/16" is probably good for your boat. But since you're over the anchor when hoisting you're only usually talking about 10-30 feet or 12-45 lbs of chain. And all is lighter than that when hoisting, until it breaks the water surface. For hand over handing Sinatra works best. ?? Rhythm. Sinatra is just better than Kant or Nietzsche. Jim - Why do I have to explain everything to this girl? You don't have to explain everything. Nice that you gave me some ideas about a solution. Too bad Wayne couldn't/wouldn't. Just keep in mind that I'm not a blue water sailor (yet), but I have sailed plenty in the past. Wayne will jump in if I tell you something he doesn't agree with. Count on it. Jim - You're so sweet to talk nice to me, nom. But I know you just want to make the other guys all jealous. It won't work. I know it won't work. lol Thanks for the complete answer. There's a roller on the front, so that would make it easy to get leverage. Leverage? I don't think so. But go ahead and explain. I might be wrong. Yes, we know you don't think: Leverage refers to anything used to one's advantage to make something easier. Whatever. Just so you understand that using the roller doesn't gain you mechanical advantage. You are still pulling the same weight. So, basically, you're wrong about the "I don't think so." No need to fess up. Obviously, it doesn't give one mechanical advantage in the sense of a two or more pulley system. But, it actually does give one mechanical advantage, since it decreases the friction. If it didn't give you mechanical advantage (Ratio of resistance force to effort force in a machine), then why have a roller? Would you like to try again? Nope. I shouldn't have bothered to try to help you in the first place since your objective is not to learn but to win an arguement. Stay stupid if you want. I don't care. You should have bothered, but you should have actually tried to help vs. spout off about how terrible and dumb I am, and then "help" by giving totally bogus information. Bogus? I beg to differ. Yes. Bogus. You first claimed that leverage was the wrong usage. Then, you claimed there was no mechanical advantage. Both were totally bogus claims. Hate to break it to you dippy. You are wrong on both counts. The roller in question serves as a pivot point. It relieves chafing on fibre line, gives the chain a smooth surface to run across relatively friction free, and prevents damage to the hull/deck. No leverage. No mechanical advantage. You are out of your element. End of discussion. Period. Go away kid. You bother me. Wow. I guess you are stupid. I even copied and pasted the definitions for you. You're a LOSER. Sorry, but you're the one leaving. I'm right here posting. Ever notice there are sometimes several different definitions for the same word. You just happened to chose the wrong one for the application. Sorry. You lose again. I must admit that you are a persistant little booger. |
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