"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...

When it
comes to the subject of maximum performance, you either understand it,
or you don't. Have you ever watched the things that car racing guys do
to pick up an additional few MPH?

We know all about it. But, if you drove most race cars on the street, you'd
be ticketed or arrested, even if just for the noise some of them make.
That's why there are race tracks.


The same thing goes for the guys on
water.

What they do offshore is their business. The noise they sometimes choose to
make around boats is everyone's business. And I use the word "choose"
because based on what I've learned by reading some of the messages here,
it's possible for such boats to be quiet with the use of certain mechanical
devices. Therefore, if they choose not to be quiet, they fully intend to
disturb. The only other possibility is that they're complete idiots.

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:50:37 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .

When it
comes to the subject of maximum performance, you either understand it,
or you don't. Have you ever watched the things that car racing guys do
to pick up an additional few MPH?

We know all about it. But, if you drove most race cars on the street, you'd
be ticketed or arrested, even if just for the noise some of them make.
That's why there are race tracks.

Race cars, for the most part, are not street legal. There are stock
classes which are, and there would be no problem.



The same thing goes for the guys on
water.

What they do offshore is their business.

Until you decide to fish offshore. Then the noise would "bother" you
again.


The noise they sometimes choose to
make around boats is everyone's business. And I use the word "choose"
because based on what I've learned by reading some of the messages here,
it's possible for such boats to be quiet with the use of certain mechanical
devices. Therefore, if they choose not to be quiet, they fully intend to
disturb. The only other possibility is that they're complete idiots.

Binary thinking. Not all (and in fact the majority of boats that I'm
familiar with) do not have exhaust diverters. Mine doesn't, and most
of my friends boats do not either. So there may not be a choice. And
ironically, in the state of PA, they are considered illegal.

I've installed baffles in my exhausts to take the edge off the noise.
As I get older, I find less need to run at maximum speed, so I took
the 1-2 MPH hit that the extra backpressure of the baffles created, in
exchange for a more "audibly friendly" boat. But if I wanted to remove
them, I'd have to remove a bolt from each pipe. Not practical for guys
who need to be ready for an impromptu race at any given time.


Dave

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:50:37 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .

When it
comes to the subject of maximum performance, you either understand it,
or you don't. Have you ever watched the things that car racing guys do
to pick up an additional few MPH?

We know all about it. But, if you drove most race cars on the street,
you'd
be ticketed or arrested, even if just for the noise some of them make.
That's why there are race tracks.

Race cars, for the most part, are not street legal. There are stock
classes which are, and there would be no problem.



The same thing goes for the guys on
water.

What they do offshore is their business.

Until you decide to fish offshore. Then the noise would "bother" you
again.

Ummm....no. Then I realize I'm in their territory, and accept the
consequences, just as I'd accept that I might have to stay out of the way of
an oil tanker. This is not the same as a penis-boat child choking his
chicken by buzzing repeatedly around a quiet cove. Then, he's in the wrong
territory.

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:16:20 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:50:37 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .

When it
comes to the subject of maximum performance, you either understand it,
or you don't. Have you ever watched the things that car racing guys do
to pick up an additional few MPH?

We know all about it. But, if you drove most race cars on the street,
you'd
be ticketed or arrested, even if just for the noise some of them make.
That's why there are race tracks.

Race cars, for the most part, are not street legal. There are stock
classes which are, and there would be no problem.



The same thing goes for the guys on
water.

What they do offshore is their business.

Until you decide to fish offshore. Then the noise would "bother" you
again.

Ummm....no. Then I realize I'm in their territory, and accept the
consequences, just as I'd accept that I might have to stay out of the way of
an oil tanker. This is not the same as a penis-boat child choking his
chicken by buzzing repeatedly around a quiet cove. Then, he's in the wrong
territory.


Ah! So who has the right to decree that the cove was "your territory"
and that offshore was "his"?

Dave

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:16:20 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:50:37 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .

When it
comes to the subject of maximum performance, you either understand
it,
or you don't. Have you ever watched the things that car racing guys
do
to pick up an additional few MPH?

We know all about it. But, if you drove most race cars on the street,
you'd
be ticketed or arrested, even if just for the noise some of them make.
That's why there are race tracks.

Race cars, for the most part, are not street legal. There are stock
classes which are, and there would be no problem.



The same thing goes for the guys on
water.

What they do offshore is their business.

Until you decide to fish offshore. Then the noise would "bother" you
again.

Ummm....no. Then I realize I'm in their territory, and accept the
consequences, just as I'd accept that I might have to stay out of the way
of
an oil tanker. This is not the same as a penis-boat child choking his
chicken by buzzing repeatedly around a quiet cove. Then, he's in the
wrong
territory.


Ah! So who has the right to decree that the cove was "your territory"
and that offshore was "his"?

Dave


If you had two toddlers taking naps in their strollers in a public park, who
says I shouldn't crank up a boom box 5 feet from them?

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:24:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:



Ummm....no. Then I realize I'm in their territory, and accept the
consequences, just as I'd accept that I might have to stay out of the way
of
an oil tanker. This is not the same as a penis-boat child choking his
chicken by buzzing repeatedly around a quiet cove. Then, he's in the
wrong
territory.


Ah! So who has the right to decree that the cove was "your territory"
and that offshore was "his"?

Dave


If you had two toddlers taking naps in their strollers in a public park, who
says I shouldn't crank up a boom box 5 feet from them?


No one. That's the reality of sharing a public resource. Everyone's
idea of fun does not necessarily have to correspond to everyone elses.
Those who attempt to make value judgements to impress their subjective
opinions on everyone are basically attempting to limit other people's
right of access according to their own personal mindset.


Dave

Dave Hall wrote in message . ..
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:24:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:



Ummm....no. Then I realize I'm in their territory, and accept the
consequences, just as I'd accept that I might have to stay out of the way
of
an oil tanker. This is not the same as a penis-boat child choking his
chicken by buzzing repeatedly around a quiet cove. Then, he's in the
wrong
territory.


Ah! So who has the right to decree that the cove was "your territory"
and that offshore was "his"?

Dave


If you had two toddlers taking naps in their strollers in a public park, who
says I shouldn't crank up a boom box 5 feet from them?


No one. That's the reality of sharing a public resource. Everyone's
idea of fun does not necessarily have to correspond to everyone elses.
Those who attempt to make value judgements to impress their subjective
opinions on everyone are basically attempting to limit other people's
right of access according to their own personal mindset.


Dave

So, again, if I lived next door to you, and I decided that I want to
have a thrash band play out on the deck every night starting at, say
midnight, and playing till early morning, you'd find that okay? Would
you also say that there shouldn't be laws to govern such actions?