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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:25:12 -0800, jps wrote:

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This is due to years of democrats undermining the military. We are losing
lives because of the liberals giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Terrorist
listen to the democrats here and figure if they can just hold out a little
longer, they will win. If the dems would put as much effort into helping
this country as they do bad mouthing it, the terrorist problem would have
been handled years ago.

Bob

We don't bad mouth our country, we bad mouth the people running it.
That is called dissent and since you cannot tell the difference between
that and "aid and comfort to the ememy," your opinion is worth nothing.

Secondly, do you not think the Iraqis value their country as much as the
US does? If someone invaded and occupied our country because they
disagreed with our leadership, would we sing and dance in the streets
and worship the occupiers? Hell no, "people" like you would be trying
to pick off every enemy soldier you could from the "media room of your
split level." You'd consider anyone who hailed the conquering troops as
heros traitors.

If the invaders own people were partially against the actions of their
country would it serve as a catalyst in your resolve to fight? **** no.
You'd fight because you don't want to be occupied by a foreign power,
without regard to what anyone thinks.

May you be personally subject to a full body search by John Ashcroft for
dubious reasons having nothing to do with terrorism but based on the
Patriot Act.

Then maybe you'll realize what's worth a fight.

jps, pay attention:

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with
the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including,
if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to
respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its
weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe
Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John
Kerry among others on October 9, 1998

Does your heart good, doesn't it?

Now, have you been fishing or boating at all this year? Do you own a boat? Do
you think you are engaging in intelligent conversation?

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD


Your quote has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

Do you understand the meaning of the word context?

To engage in "intelligent conversation" there's got to be intelligence
coming from the both participants and they have to relate somehow. I'm
doing my part, why don't you see if you can muster something from your
side.


jps

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Painting in one room and laying a floor in another today. Only
intermittent
three minute blocks to play. :-)

JG

Shouldn't the government be taking care of that for you?


That's what his tax rebate is for, so he can afford a can of paint.

Shouldn't the government be taking care of that for you?


That's what his tax rebate is for, so he can afford a can of paint.

Wow, there must be allot of us in the top 1%

A little different from those coming home from Vietnam eh?

They weren't cheered, they were spat on.

They weren't told welcome home, they were called baby killers.

They weren't loved, they were despised.

Do you think we owe them a BIG apology?

Capt. Frank

RGrew176 wrote:
I hope that you will spare me a few minutes of your time to tell you about
something that I saw on Monday, October 27.

I had been attending a conference in Annapolis and was coming home on
Sunday. As you may recall, Los Angeles International Airport was closed on
Sunday, October 26, because of the fires that affected air traffic control.
Accordingly, my flight, and many others, were canceled and I wound up
spending a night in Baltimore.

My story begins the next day. When I went to check in at the United counter
Monday morning I saw a lot of soldiers home from Iraq. Most were very young
and all had on their desert camouflage uniforms. This was as change from
earlier, when they had to buy civilian clothes in Kuwait to fly home. It was
a visible reminder that we are in a war. It probably was pretty close to
what train terminals were like in World War II.

Many people were stopping the troops to talk to them, asking them questions
in the Starbucks line or just saying "Welcome Home." In addition to all the
flights that had been canceled on Sunday, the weather was terrible in
Baltimore and the flights were backed up. So, there were a lot of unhappy
people in the terminal trying to get home, but nobody that I saw gave the
soldiers a bad time.

By the afternoon, one plane to Denver had been delayed several hours. United
personnel kept asking for volunteers to give up their seats and take another
flight. They weren't getting many takers. Finally, a United spokeswoman got
on the PA and said "Folks. As you can see, there are a lot of soldiers in
the waiting area. They only have 14 days of leave and we're trying to get
them where they need to go without spending any more time in an airport then
they have to. We sold them all tickets, knowing we would oversell the
flight. If we can, we want to get them all on this flight. We want all the
soldiers to know that we respect what you're doing, we are here for you and
we love you."

At that, the entire terminal of cranky, tired, travel-weary people, a
cross-section of America, broke into sustained and heartfelt applause. The
soldiers looked surprised and very modest. Most of them just looked at their
boots. Many of us were wiping away tears.

And, yes, people lined up to take the later flight and all the soldiers went
to Denver on that flight.

That little moment made me proud to be an American, and also told me why we
will win this war.

If you want to send my little story on to your friends and family, feel
free. This is not some urban legend. I was there, I was part of it, I saw it
happen.

Will Ross
Administrative Judge
United States Department of Defense

Geez Chuck,

Did this thread ever devolve into a cockfight? I thought it was an OT
about decency in America.

Right Wingers, Left Wingers, what are they doing? Talking about
chickens, politics, or just winging it?

I duuno. What do you think?

I suppose most of these folks here don't know this. During W.W.II laws
were enacted giving military personnel priority travel over civilian
travelers. These laws are still in force.

The air lines really have no choice but to make the best of the
situation. Its not like they have extra jets in some secret hanger. I
suppose MAC could lend a hand, but they are a little busy themselves.

1st Mate tells me its time for the sack. C-ya



regards,
Capt. Frank

Gould 0738 wrote:

This is due to years of democrats undermining the military. We are losing
lives because of the liberals giving aid and comfort to the enemy.


Terrorist
listen to the democrats here and figure if they can just hold out a little
longer, they will win. If the dems would put as much effort into helping


this country as they do bad mouthing it, the terrorist problem would have
been handled years ago.


Ever consider moving to a police state? In such a system, *nobody* is allowed
to express any dissent when the government
launches a war or question the motives/wisdom of participating in same.

It makes a very efficient system. The government simply declares how it is
proper to think about this subject or that, and those who disagree better darn
well keep mouth shut- or they'll be a burning corpse by morning.

Anybody in Iraq who might wonder what the official will of the American people
might be, has only to look out the window
and see the occupation troops on the street. Only to huddle in the cellar and
pray to Allah as the bombs and artillery rounds fall on structures that may be
very nearby. (As was the case 2-3 nights ago)

When the country is wrong, should we avoid speaking out simply because the
people "in charge" are making the mistake?

Under a police state, the republicans will have to keep silent wehn the
democrats are in charge or be suspected of treason. Same when the reverse is
true.

Would you like such a system? It seems to be what you're advocating in your
post.

The airlines oversell, figuring on no shows. One of the only business
entities that sell a product that is not stock piled. The no shows except
for the very restricted tickets get to use that ticket for another flight
with no, or vetty little, penalty.
Bill

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:50:23 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Isn't it nice that the corporate representative worked so hard to shift
the blame or guilt from overselling the flight from his company onto
the
passengers in the terminal?

Even with this touching story, poor Harry can't even find something
decent
to say about humanity. What a louse.


Trouble is, though, he's right.

When I buy a hunting or fishing license, I know the score. I might
get lucky, I might not. It is a risk I understand and accept.

When I buy a ticket, I have a reasonable expectation of *using* that
ticket to claim *my* seat, NOT as a receipt for a hunting license.
And definitely not becoming an unwilling participant in a lottery for
the seat I paid for.... with doe-eyed passengers looking on to see how
hard-hearted I am.... and by proxy, passing the blame for lack of
surrender on to anybody else with a greater conscience.

Harry is clearly correct, the unpatriotic and un-American persons
involved were the sellers of tickets that they *knew* were not good
and would not be honored. Suppose they told these service men and
women up front?

In another thread we discussed the morality of paying for goods and
services received. Do you think a no-show will receive a refund?
Even if that flight was overbooked and people were turned away. This
is a crappy way to do business.

My point (and I hope Harry's) is that these people did the right thing
and performed a greater good for these service men and women to show
their appreciation for their sacrifices to our country and *right the
wrong* done to them by a transportation system driven by corporate
greed and paid to stay in business by the Federal Government.

My $.02.

Calif Bill wrote:
The airlines oversell, figuring on no shows. One of the only business
entities that sell a product that is not stock piled. The no shows except
for the very restricted tickets get to use that ticket for another flight
with no, or vetty little, penalty.
Bill


Yeah, we all know how it works, Bill. Interesting that the airlines are
not subject to legal penalties for selling a product they don't have abd
can't claim is out of stock. But, then, the rules are different for
corporations.



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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
The airlines oversell, figuring on no shows. One of the only business
entities that sell a product that is not stock piled. The no shows
except
for the very restricted tickets get to use that ticket for another
flight
with no, or vetty little, penalty.
Bill


Yeah, we all know how it works, Bill. Interesting that the airlines are
not subject to legal penalties for selling a product they don't have abd
can't claim is out of stock. But, then, the rules are different for
corporations.


They do get penalized. They pay bump fees to the bumpies. Who you go for
the case where you buy a ticket and that ticket is good on only the flight
it is sold for? You go on a business trip and have to change the itinerary.
You willing to write off 50% of the ticket? Seems as if the Unions are even
more crooked than the corporations. What union investment fund had insider
trading? Even the spokes person got enough money to buy a $300k+ Lobsta
boat. What about all those AFL /CIO pension fund scandals?

Calif Bill wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
The airlines oversell, figuring on no shows. One of the only business
entities that sell a product that is not stock piled. The no shows
except
for the very restricted tickets get to use that ticket for another
flight
with no, or vetty little, penalty.
Bill


Yeah, we all know how it works, Bill. Interesting that the airlines are
not subject to legal penalties for selling a product they don't have abd
can't claim is out of stock. But, then, the rules are different for
corporations.


They do get penalized. They pay bump fees to the bumpies.

Well, that's a wonderful way to do business, eh?


Who you go for
the case where you buy a ticket and that ticket is good on only the flight
it is sold for?

Huh? Try that again in English, please.



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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:


Who you go for
the case where you buy a ticket and that ticket is good on only the
flight
it is sold for?

Huh? Try that again in English, please.

I guess you really are very anal. make the "Who" "Would"
Buy a ticket and you use it or lose it.


Would