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For those who think flying sucks.
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 18:00:07 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 15:25:55 -0500 (EST), justan wrote: John Wrote in message:r On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 10:18:43 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:Keyser Söze Wrote in message:r https://ibb.co/nLVG10WWith trains, you don't have to deal with airports or long rides to and from the airport to your eventual destination. With trains, you usually don't have to deal with long lines. With trains, you don't have to deal with crappy seats, even the crappy seats in first class. With trains, you don't have to contort yourself to pee standing up in the rest room. With trains, if the engine fails, the train simply comes to a stop.-- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. *Enjoy your choo choo trains dummy. You don't sound right. Have you had your head examined lately?He forgets to mention it takes 3-4 days to get to the west coast versus. fivehours.--Freedom Isn't Free! He thinks he can go anywherre in 2 hours on the Acela. Fat Harry is out of his mind, I tell ya. It's not a bad ride if you are going to New York. That is one of the few trains that make some sense. Part of that is simply because LaGuardia (Italian for "an hour or two late") sucks so badly. If you left the North Beltway station at the same time a plane took off from DCA, you would be eating a hot dog on 7th avenue looking up at that plane still circling waiting for a slot to land. Been there, done that. You're right. A four-hour train trip is much nicer than a four-hour flight. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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For those who think flying sucks.
John Wrote in message:r
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 18:00:07 -0500, wrote:On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 15:25:55 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:John Wrote in message:r On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 10:18:43 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:Keyser Söze Wrote in message:r https://ibb.co/nLVG10WWith trains, you don't have to deal with airports or long rides to and from the airport to your eventual destination. With trains, you usually don't have to deal with longlines. With trains, you don't have to deal with crappy seats, even the crappy seats in first class. With trains, you don't have to contort yourself to pee standing up in the rest room. With trains, if the engine fails, the train simply comes to a stop.-- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. *Enjoy your choo choo trainsdummy. You don't sound right. Have you had your head examined lately?He forgets to mention it takes 3-4 days to get to the west coast versus. fivehours.--Freedom Isn't Free!He thinks he can go anywherre in 2 hours on the Acela. Fat Harry is out of his mind, I tell ya.It's not a bad ride if you are going to New York. That is one of thefew trains that make some sense. Part of that is simply becauseLaGuardia (Italian for "an hour or two late") sucks so badly. If youleft the North Beltway station at the same time a plane took off fromDCA, you would be eating a hot dog on 7th avenue looking up at thatplane still circling waiting for a slot to land. Been there, done that. You're right. A four-hour train trip is much nicer than afour-hour flight.--Freedom Isn't Free! Maybe its because you aren't sardined and strapped into a sealed tube with nothing to look at and breathing regurgitated air. Either way you are going to have to schlep luggage and hope it doesnt get rifled or lost. On the plus side, both ways you get to try for herd immunity. :-) -- ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazon...net/index.html |
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For those who think flying sucks.
On 3/12/21 9:03 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 01:20:19 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 17:47:43 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/12/21 5:27 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 10:18:43 -0500 (EST), justan wrote: Keyser Söze Wrote in message:r https://ibb.co/nLVG10WWith trains, you don't have to deal with airports or long rides to and from the airport to your eventual destination. With trains, you usually don't have to deal with long lines. With trains, you don't have to deal with crappy seats, even the crappy seats in first class. With trains, you don't have to contort yourself to pee standing up in the rest room. With trains, if the engine fails, the train simply comes to a stop.-- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. * Enjoy your choo choo trains dummy. You don't sound right. Have you had your head examined lately? Harry just likes the idea that he can off load 2/3ds of the cost of his train ticket on the tax payer. It is like Biden spending $86 Billion, we don't have, bailing out the pension plans of corrupt unions in the "covid" bill. Oh, right, because air travel isn't subsidized and neither are the producers of the fuel burned in planes, trains, and automobiles and cruise ships, et cetera. Nothing like Amtrack. You really have to stretch to compare the "subsidy" of airlines to trains. Why not give us examples if you are so sure. Yeah the government operates air traffic control but you would lose your mind if I suggested privatizing that. The Airlines do kick money into that budget. Airlines pay gate fees to use government airports. Any so called fuel subsidy is the same as the subsidy for the diesel the trains buy, the truckers buy or the gas for your car. It still gets taxed. Sure the middle east eats a big part of the DoD budget but that is more about Israel than it is about oil. We don't depend on Saudi oil anymore. We get far more from Canada and Mexico than the middle east and we are a net exporter now. Amtrak is subsidized to the tune of $2 billion a year. Our new aircraft carriers run about $13 billion to build. The Amtrak sudsidy is chicken feed. What do aircraft carriers have to do with airlines? I have always landed at an airport. Although it would be exciting to watch a 757 land on a carrier I want to watch from another boat. Can we go watch on your twin Volvo trawler :-) As for your $2B subsidy, there were 16.8 million rail trips in the US last year. That means we paid $119 to each passenger, just to ride the train. 10.5m million of them were going to and from Penn Station. Most of them were just coming in to NYC from Westchester county, Long Island, Connecticut or Jersey. They claim commuter rail almost pays it's own way so your $135 trip to Florida really cost about $500 and the tax payer picked up the difference. Aircraft carriers are nothing but floating targets to a technologically advanced enemy. Why waste tens of billions of dollars on them when we could be building a modern, intracity railroad system that millions could use. As for the subsidy, so what? As I pointed out earlier, we subsidize all sorts of industries. What are the oil company tax breaks worth? $20 billion a year? More? -- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. * |
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For those who think flying sucks.
Keyser Söze Wrote in message:r
On 3/12/21 9:03 PM, wrote: On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 01:20:19 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 17:47:43 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/12/21 5:27 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 10:18:43 -0500 (EST), justan wrote: Keyser Söze Wrote in message:r https://ibb.co/nLVG10WWith trains, you don't have to deal with airports or long rides to and from the airport to your eventual destination. With trains, you usually don't have to deal with long lines. With trains, you don't have to deal with crappy seats, even the crappy seats in first class. With trains, you don't have to contort yourself to pee standing up in the rest room. With trains, if the engine fails, the train simply comes to a stop.-- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. * Enjoy your choo choo trains dummy. You don't sound right. Have you had your head examined lately? Harry just likes the idea that he can off load 2/3ds of the cost of his train ticket on the tax payer. It is like Biden spending $86 Billion, we don't have, bailing out the pension plans of corrupt unions in the "covid" bill. Oh, right, because air travel isn't subsidized and neither are the producers of the fuel burned in planes, trains, and automobiles and cruise ships, et cetera. Nothing like Amtrack. You really have to stretch to compare the "subsidy" of airlines to trains. Why not give us examples if you are so sure. Yeah the government operates air traffic control but you would lose your mind if I suggested privatizing that. The Airlines do kick money into that budget. Airlines pay gate fees to use government airports. Any so called fuel subsidy is the same as the subsidy for the diesel the trains buy, the truckers buy or the gas for your car. It still gets taxed. Sure the middle east eats a big part of the DoD budget but that is more about Israel than it is about oil. We don't depend on Saudi oil anymore. We get far more from Canada and Mexico than the middle east and we are a net exporter now. Amtrak is subsidized to the tune of $2 billion a year. Our new aircraft carriers run about $13 billion to build. The Amtrak sudsidy is chicken feed. What do aircraft carriers have to do with airlines? I have always landed at an airport. Although it would be exciting to watch a 757 land on a carrier I want to watch from another boat. Can we go watch on your twin Volvo trawler :-) As for your $2B subsidy, there were 16.8 million rail trips in the US last year. That means we paid $119 to each passenger, just to ride the train. 10.5m million of them were going to and from Penn Station. Most of them were just coming in to NYC from Westchester county, Long Island, Connecticut or Jersey. They claim commuter rail almost pays it's own way so your $135 trip to Florida really cost about $500 and the tax payer picked up the difference. Aircraft carriers are nothing but floating targets to a technologically advanced enemy. Why waste tens of billions of dollars on them when we could be building a modern, intracity railroad system that millions could use. As for the subsidy, so what? As I pointed out earlier, we subsidize all sorts of industries. What are the oil company tax breaks worth? $20 billion a year? More?-- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. * Why waste hundreds of billions of dollars building a modern railroad to transit between ******** cities that are controlled by democrats and riddled with poverty and crime? -- ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazon...net/index.html |
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For those who think flying sucks.
On 3/12/21 6:05 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 17:38:19 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 10:59:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/12/21 10:50 AM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 09:41:44 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: https://ibb.co/nLVG10W With trains, you don't have to deal with airports or long rides to and from the airport to your eventual destination. With trains, you usually don't have to deal with long lines. With trains, you don't have to deal with crappy seats, even the crappy seats in first class. With trains, you don't have to contort yourself to pee standing up in the rest room. With trains, if the engine fails, the train simply comes to a stop. As long as you don't mind a 20 hour ride plus the trip to and from the station. The train makes sense if you can take the Metroliner to NY from DC but I am not taking the milk train from Florida to DC and I would have to drive to Sanford to get it (4 hours or more each way). Where do you catch the train south? Union Station? Somewhere in Virginia? RSW is 15 minutes from here. You are also one bomb threat away from full TSA screening on the train. There are no long lines in 1st class. They have an express line through TSA, the ticket counter/baggage check and you board first. I would drive before I took a train. It is faster. The "photo" compared the time it takes to go similar distances on China's modern passenger rail system and our ****ty, outmoded, ancient passenger rail system. The last time we took the train to Jax, we boarded at Union Station in DC, but it does make a brief stop in Alexandria, Virginia. We did that once. Parking there was free...within sight of the Masonic tower. We usually take the train to NYC, New Haven, and even Boston. Took it to Providence about a decade ago. I said the train makes sense in the Acela corridor but once you get out of that cluster ****, not so much. There is no way a high speed rail link to Florida would ever come close to paying for itself. I also doubt you would ever get all the people along the way to go for it. Trains are dangerous enough at 45-50. Going 100+ in populated areas is a death trap. They are trying a faster train (still not anything like high speed) in South Florida and the death toll is striking. I heard a stat a little while ago that less than 100 miles of track on the gold coast generates more deaths than all the other track in the US. The problem is about 100 grade crossings. Imagine what that would mean in the 900 miles through the rest of the Atlantic states. I suppose if cost was no object, you had the land and you could get a hundred local governments to sign off, it could be elevated but it would end up cheaper if they just put all the passengers in stretch limos and drove them down, feeding them champagne and caviar the whole way. === I wonder what it would take to make the grade level crossings safer? Are the fatalities mostly vehicles or pedestrians? I don't have much sympathy for people who try to beat the gates but there is probably some way to make it more difficult. There are a lot of lift bridges on the east coast of Florida but you don't see a lot of people trying to beat the gates on them. My late father-in-law worked for the railroad and used to tell us tales of the morons who tried to beat trains across unprotected crossings and even drove around or between lowered crossing gates. There were lots of such incidents, he said, and also incidents involving morons who walked on or over the tracks. Evolution in action. The rail crossings I recall in Europe are much better guarded than in the United States. In some places there are crossing guards, though I have no idea how these are scheduled. -- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. * |
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For those who think flying sucks.
On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 08:11:15 -0500, John wrote:
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 18:00:07 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 15:25:55 -0500 (EST), justan wrote: John Wrote in message:r On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 10:18:43 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:Keyser Söze Wrote in message:r https://ibb.co/nLVG10WWith trains, you don't have to deal with airports or long rides to and from the airport to your eventual destination. With trains, you usually don't have to deal with long lines. With trains, you don't have to deal with crappy seats, even the crappy seats in first class. With trains, you don't have to contort yourself to pee standing up in the rest room. With trains, if the engine fails, the train simply comes to a stop.-- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. *Enjoy your choo choo trains dummy. You don't sound right. Have you had your head examined lately?He forgets to mention it takes 3-4 days to get to the west coast versus. fivehours.--Freedom Isn't Free! He thinks he can go anywherre in 2 hours on the Acela. Fat Harry is out of his mind, I tell ya. It's not a bad ride if you are going to New York. That is one of the few trains that make some sense. Part of that is simply because LaGuardia (Italian for "an hour or two late") sucks so badly. If you left the North Beltway station at the same time a plane took off from DCA, you would be eating a hot dog on 7th avenue looking up at that plane still circling waiting for a slot to land. Been there, done that. You're right. A four-hour train trip is much nicer than a four-hour flight. It has been 40 years but I seem to remember it was about 2 1/5 hours from the beltway station to NY on the Metroliner (Acela). |
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For those who think flying sucks.
On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 08:42:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 3/12/21 9:03 PM, wrote: On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 01:20:19 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze wrote: wrote: On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 17:47:43 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/12/21 5:27 PM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 10:18:43 -0500 (EST), justan wrote: Keyser Söze Wrote in message:r https://ibb.co/nLVG10WWith trains, you don't have to deal with airports or long rides to and from the airport to your eventual destination. With trains, you usually don't have to deal with long lines. With trains, you don't have to deal with crappy seats, even the crappy seats in first class. With trains, you don't have to contort yourself to pee standing up in the rest room. With trains, if the engine fails, the train simply comes to a stop.-- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. * Enjoy your choo choo trains dummy. You don't sound right. Have you had your head examined lately? Harry just likes the idea that he can off load 2/3ds of the cost of his train ticket on the tax payer. It is like Biden spending $86 Billion, we don't have, bailing out the pension plans of corrupt unions in the "covid" bill. Oh, right, because air travel isn't subsidized and neither are the producers of the fuel burned in planes, trains, and automobiles and cruise ships, et cetera. Nothing like Amtrack. You really have to stretch to compare the "subsidy" of airlines to trains. Why not give us examples if you are so sure. Yeah the government operates air traffic control but you would lose your mind if I suggested privatizing that. The Airlines do kick money into that budget. Airlines pay gate fees to use government airports. Any so called fuel subsidy is the same as the subsidy for the diesel the trains buy, the truckers buy or the gas for your car. It still gets taxed. Sure the middle east eats a big part of the DoD budget but that is more about Israel than it is about oil. We don't depend on Saudi oil anymore. We get far more from Canada and Mexico than the middle east and we are a net exporter now. Amtrak is subsidized to the tune of $2 billion a year. Our new aircraft carriers run about $13 billion to build. The Amtrak sudsidy is chicken feed. What do aircraft carriers have to do with airlines? I have always landed at an airport. Although it would be exciting to watch a 757 land on a carrier I want to watch from another boat. Can we go watch on your twin Volvo trawler :-) As for your $2B subsidy, there were 16.8 million rail trips in the US last year. That means we paid $119 to each passenger, just to ride the train. 10.5m million of them were going to and from Penn Station. Most of them were just coming in to NYC from Westchester county, Long Island, Connecticut or Jersey. They claim commuter rail almost pays it's own way so your $135 trip to Florida really cost about $500 and the tax payer picked up the difference. Aircraft carriers are nothing but floating targets to a technologically advanced enemy. Why waste tens of billions of dollars on them when we could be building a modern, intracity railroad system that millions could use. As for the subsidy, so what? As I pointed out earlier, we subsidize all sorts of industries. What are the oil company tax breaks worth? $20 billion a year? More? The difference is everyone benefits from the "oil subsidy" although you still haven't told me what it is. That really sounds more like AOC talking out of her ass. OTOH the Amtrack subsidy only helps the few people who actually prefer a 19th century transportation method in the 21st century. $2 Billion for about 6 million trips. Maybe we should bring back stage coaches too. DoD budgets are just you trying to divert the conversation because you are riding a loser here. |
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For those who think flying sucks.
On 3/13/21 11:15 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 08:11:15 -0500, John wrote: On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 18:00:07 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 15:25:55 -0500 (EST), justan wrote: John Wrote in message:r On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 10:18:43 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:Keyser Söze Wrote in message:r https://ibb.co/nLVG10WWith trains, you don't have to deal with airports or long rides to and from the airport to your eventual destination. With trains, you usually don't have to deal with long lines. With trains, you don't have to deal with crappy seats, even the crappy seats in first class. With trains, you don't have to contort yourself to pee standing up in the rest room. With trains, if the engine fails, the train simply comes to a stop.-- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. *Enjoy your choo choo trains dummy. You don't sound right. Have you had your head examined lately?He forgets to mention it takes 3-4 days to get to the west coast versus. fivehours.--Freedom Isn't Free! He thinks he can go anywherre in 2 hours on the Acela. Fat Harry is out of his mind, I tell ya. It's not a bad ride if you are going to New York. That is one of the few trains that make some sense. Part of that is simply because LaGuardia (Italian for "an hour or two late") sucks so badly. If you left the North Beltway station at the same time a plane took off from DCA, you would be eating a hot dog on 7th avenue looking up at that plane still circling waiting for a slot to land. Been there, done that. You're right. A four-hour train trip is much nicer than a four-hour flight. It has been 40 years but I seem to remember it was about 2 1/5 hours from the beltway station to NY on the Metroliner (Acela). Just under three hours from Union Station in DC, so your memory is correct. It's about seven hours to Boston. For reasons I don't know, it takes longer to get from NYC to New Haven than it did 60 years ago. -- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. * |
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For those who think flying sucks.
On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 10:19:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 3/12/21 6:05 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 17:38:19 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 10:59:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/12/21 10:50 AM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 09:41:44 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: https://ibb.co/nLVG10W With trains, you don't have to deal with airports or long rides to and from the airport to your eventual destination. With trains, you usually don't have to deal with long lines. With trains, you don't have to deal with crappy seats, even the crappy seats in first class. With trains, you don't have to contort yourself to pee standing up in the rest room. With trains, if the engine fails, the train simply comes to a stop. As long as you don't mind a 20 hour ride plus the trip to and from the station. The train makes sense if you can take the Metroliner to NY from DC but I am not taking the milk train from Florida to DC and I would have to drive to Sanford to get it (4 hours or more each way). Where do you catch the train south? Union Station? Somewhere in Virginia? RSW is 15 minutes from here. You are also one bomb threat away from full TSA screening on the train. There are no long lines in 1st class. They have an express line through TSA, the ticket counter/baggage check and you board first. I would drive before I took a train. It is faster. The "photo" compared the time it takes to go similar distances on China's modern passenger rail system and our ****ty, outmoded, ancient passenger rail system. The last time we took the train to Jax, we boarded at Union Station in DC, but it does make a brief stop in Alexandria, Virginia. We did that once. Parking there was free...within sight of the Masonic tower. We usually take the train to NYC, New Haven, and even Boston. Took it to Providence about a decade ago. I said the train makes sense in the Acela corridor but once you get out of that cluster ****, not so much. There is no way a high speed rail link to Florida would ever come close to paying for itself. I also doubt you would ever get all the people along the way to go for it. Trains are dangerous enough at 45-50. Going 100+ in populated areas is a death trap. They are trying a faster train (still not anything like high speed) in South Florida and the death toll is striking. I heard a stat a little while ago that less than 100 miles of track on the gold coast generates more deaths than all the other track in the US. The problem is about 100 grade crossings. Imagine what that would mean in the 900 miles through the rest of the Atlantic states. I suppose if cost was no object, you had the land and you could get a hundred local governments to sign off, it could be elevated but it would end up cheaper if they just put all the passengers in stretch limos and drove them down, feeding them champagne and caviar the whole way. === I wonder what it would take to make the grade level crossings safer? Are the fatalities mostly vehicles or pedestrians? I don't have much sympathy for people who try to beat the gates but there is probably some way to make it more difficult. There are a lot of lift bridges on the east coast of Florida but you don't see a lot of people trying to beat the gates on them. My late father-in-law worked for the railroad and used to tell us tales of the morons who tried to beat trains across unprotected crossings and even drove around or between lowered crossing gates. There were lots of such incidents, he said, and also incidents involving morons who walked on or over the tracks. Evolution in action. The rail crossings I recall in Europe are much better guarded than in the United States. In some places there are crossing guards, though I have no idea how these are scheduled. Sure, lets hire 900,000 crossing guards, four for each grade crossing. (24/7/365 plus covering vacations and weekends takes 4 people minimum). Sounds like something one of those bankrupt European governments might do. FRA says they actually have more fatalities along the rails away from the crossings so that may not help much. The reality is these rails are usually in minority neighborhoods and I am surprised you call them morons for trying to live their lives with a death train coming by dozens of times a day.. Racist! ;-) Rich people don't usually live near the railroad tracks and if they do move there by mistake, they seem to be able to stop the trains like they did here. |
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