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KEYSTONE PIPELINE vs TRAIN vs SHIP TO MOVE OIL
These numbers were Fact-Checked with Google:
1 Train has 100 cars, 2 engines and weighs 27,240,000 LBS.
1 Train carries 3,000,000 gallons of oil.
1 train uses 55.5 gallons of diesel per mile.
It takes 119,000 gallons of diesel to go 2150 miles from Hardidsy, AB to
Freeport, TX.
Keystone pipeline was to deliver 34,860,000 gallons of oil per day.
It would take 12 trains and 1,428,000 gallons of diesel to deliver that amount.
PER DAY!
521,220,000 gallons of diesel per year.
The oil will still go to market with or without the pipeline. By stopping the
pipeline billions of gallons of diesel will be wasted and pollute needlessly.
Stop the Tar Sands all together? Then we must ship the oil from the overseas
sandbox.
1 large oil tanker can haul 120,000,000 gallons of oil
1 boat takes 15 days to cross the Atlantic.
1 boat uses 63,000 gallons of fuel PER DAY, that is about 1 million gallons of
the most polluting type fuel in the world PER TRIP.*(See below)
Or take 3.5 days of Keystone Pipeline to move the same amount of oil with a
fraction of the pollution.
*In international waters ship emissions remains one of the least regulated parts
of our global transportation system. The fuel used in ships is waste oil,
basically what is left over after the crude oil refining process. It is the same
as asphalt and is so thick that when cold it can be walked upon . It's the
cheapest and most polluting fuel available and the world's 90,000 ships chew
through an astonishing 7.29 million barrels of it each day, or more than 84% of
all exported oil production from Saudi Arabia.
Shipping is by far the biggest transport polluter in the world. There are 760
million cars in the world today emitting approx 78,599 tons of Sulphur Oxides
(SOx) annually. The world's 90,000 vessels burn approx 370 million tons of fuel
per year emitting 20 million tons of Sulphur Oxides. That equates to 260 times
more Sulphur Oxides being emitted by ships than the worlds entire car fleet. One
large ship alone can generate approx 5,200 tonnes of sulphur oxide pollution in
a year, meaning that 15 of the largest ships now emit as much SOx as the worlds
760 million cars.
Eliminate all gas consuming cars and diesel vehicles?
Worldwide car gas consumption is 403,583,712,000 gallons a year. That's billion.
Worldwide oil consumption is 1,500,000,000,000 gallons a year. That's
trillion.
It takes 2.15 gallons of oil to make 1 gallon of car gas and .6 gal of diesel.
So it takes 867,704,980,800 gallons of oil to run the worlds cars, most diesel
vehicles for a year and some ships.
That leaves 632,295,019,200 gallons of oil for other uses.
Passenger vehicles are only a very small percentage of the problem. Why not
create an industry to clean exhaust instead of crushing an entire industry and
building a complete untested, replacement industry? Are we willing to
dramatically increase mining to get all the minerals necessary to make all these
batteries and electric motors? Mining is way worse for the environment than oil
extraction.
How does stopping the Keystone make anyone feel good?

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KEYSTONE PIPELINE vs TRAIN vs SHIP TO MOVE OILThese numbers were Fact-Checked with Google:1 Train has 100 cars, 2 engines and weighs 27,240,000 LBS.1 Train carries 3,000,000 gallons of oil.1 train uses 55.5 gallons of diesel per mile.It takes 119,000 gallons of diesel to go 2150 miles from Hardidsy, AB toFreeport, TX.Keystone pipeline was to deliver 34,860,000 gallons of oil per day.It would take 12 trains and 1,428,000 gallons of diesel to deliver that amount.PER DAY!521,220,000 gallons of diesel per year.The oil will still go to market with or without the pipeline. By stopping thepipeline billions of gallons of diesel will be wasted and pollute needlessly.Stop the Tar Sands all together? Then we must ship the oil from the overseassandbox.1 large oil tanker can haul 120,000,000 gallons of oil1 boat takes 15 days to cross the Atlantic.1 boat uses 63,000 gallons of fuel PER DAY, that is about 1 million gallons ofthe most polluting type fuel in the world PER TRIP.*(See below)Or take 3.5 days of Keystone Pipeline to move the same amount of oil with afraction of the pollution.*In international waters ship emissions remains one of the least regulated partsof our global transportation system. The fuel used in ships is waste oil,basically what is left over after the crude oil refining process. It is the sameas asphalt and is so thick that when cold it can be walked upon . It's thecheapest and most polluting fuel available and the world's 90,000 ships chewthrough an astonishing 7.29 million barrels of it each day, or more than 84% ofall exported oil production from Saudi Arabia.Shipping is by far the biggest transport polluter in the world. There are 760million cars in the world today emitting approx 78,599 tons of Sulphur Oxides(SOx) annually. The world's 90,000 vessels burn approx 370 million tons of fuelper year emitting 20 million tons of Sulphur Oxides. That equates to 260 timesmore Sulphur Oxides being emitted by ships than the worlds entire car fleet. Onelarge ship alone can generate approx 5,200 tonnes of sulphur oxide pollution ina year, meaning that 15 of the largest ships now emit as much SOx as the worlds760 million cars.Eliminate all gas consuming cars and diesel vehicles?Worldwide car gas consumption is 403,583,712,000 gallons a year. That's billion.Worldwide oil consumption is 1,500,000,000,000 gallons a year. That'strillion.It takes 2.15 gallons of oil to make 1 gallon of car gas and .6 gal of diesel.So it takes 867,704,980,800 gallons of oil to run the worlds cars, most dieselvehicles for a year and some ships.That leaves 632,295,019,200 gallons of oil for other uses.Passenger vehicles are only a very small percentage of the problem. Why notcreate an industry to clean exhaust instead of crushing an entire industry andbuilding a complete untested, replacement industry? Are we willing todramatically increase mining to get all the minerals necessary to make all thesebatteries and electric motors? Mining is way worse for the environment than oilextraction. How does stopping the Keystone make anyone feel good?[Copied from friend]--Freedom Isn't Free!


When you put it that way, Someone would have to be a complete
idiot to interfere with the completion of the pipeline.
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On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 14:01:43 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

John Wrote in message:r
KEYSTONE PIPELINE vs TRAIN vs SHIP TO MOVE OILThese numbers were Fact-Checked with Google:1 Train has 100 cars, 2 engines and weighs 27,240,000 LBS.1 Train carries 3,000,000 gallons of oil.1 train uses 55.5 gallons of diesel per mile.It takes 119,000 gallons of diesel to go 2150 miles from Hardidsy, AB toFreeport, TX.Keystone pipeline was to deliver 34,860,000 gallons of oil per day.It would take 12 trains and 1,428,000 gallons of diesel to deliver that amount.PER DAY!521,220,000 gallons of diesel per year.The oil will still go to market with or without the pipeline. By stopping thepipeline billions of gallons of diesel will be wasted and pollute needlessly.Stop the Tar Sands all together? Then we must ship the oil from the overseassandbox.1 large oil tanker can haul 120,000,000 gallons of oil1 boat takes 15 days to cross the Atlantic.1 boat uses 63,000 gallons of fuel PER DAY, that is about 1 million gallons ofthe most polluting type fuel in the world PER TRIP.*(See below)Or take

3.5 days of Keystone Pipeline to move the same amount of oil with afraction of the pollution.*In international waters ship emissions remains one of the least regulated partsof our global transportation system. The fuel used in ships is waste oil,basically what is left over after the crude oil refining process. It is the sameas asphalt and is so thick that when cold it can be walked upon . It's thecheapest and most polluting fuel available and the world's 90,000 ships chewthrough an astonishing 7.29 million barrels of it each day, or more than 84% ofall exported oil production from Saudi Arabia.Shipping is by far the biggest transport polluter in the world. There are 760million cars in the world today emitting approx 78,599 tons of Sulphur Oxides(SOx) annually. The world's 90,000 vessels burn approx 370 million tons of fuelper year emitting 20 million tons of Sulphur Oxides. That equates to 260 timesmore Sulphur Oxides being emitted by ships than the worlds entire car fleet. Onelarge
ship alone can generate approx 5,200 tonnes of sulphur oxide pollution ina year, meaning that 15 of the largest ships now emit as much SOx as the worlds760 million cars.Eliminate all gas consuming cars and diesel vehicles?Worldwide car gas consumption is 403,583,712,000 gallons a year. That's billion.Worldwide oil consumption is 1,500,000,000,000 gallons a year. That'strillion.It takes 2.15 gallons of oil to make 1 gallon of car gas and .6 gal of diesel.So it takes 867,704,980,800 gallons of oil to run the worlds cars, most dieselvehicles for a year and some ships.That leaves 632,295,019,200 gallons of oil for other uses.Passenger vehicles are only a very small percentage of the problem. Why notcreate an industry to clean exhaust instead of crushing an entire industry andbuilding a complete untested, replacement industry? Are we willing todramatically increase mining to get all the minerals necessary to make all thesebatteries and electric motors? Mining is way worse for the
environment than oilextraction. How does stopping the Keystone make anyone feel good?[Copied from friend]--Freedom Isn't Free!

When you put it that way, Someone would have to be a complete
idiot to interfere with the completion of the pipeline.


===

There's no question that pipelines are the safest and most cost
effective way of transporting crude oil. I thought it was a
disappointing, bad decision. On the other hand if that was the cost
of getting Trump out of office, maybe it was worth it. I don't want
my grandchildren growing up in a dictator led banana republic,
supported by a cult of racist crazies.
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Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 14:01:43 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

John Wrote in message:r
KEYSTONE PIPELINE vs TRAIN vs SHIP TO MOVE OILThese numbers were
Fact-Checked with Google:1 Train has 100 cars, 2 engines and weighs
27,240,000 LBS.1 Train carries 3,000,000 gallons of oil.1 train uses
55.5 gallons of diesel per mile.It takes 119,000 gallons of diesel to
go 2150 miles from Hardidsy, AB toFreeport, TX.Keystone pipeline was to
deliver 34,860,000 gallons of oil per day.It would take 12 trains and
1,428,000 gallons of diesel to deliver that amount.PER DAY!521,220,000
gallons of diesel per year.The oil will still go to market with or
without the pipeline. By stopping thepipeline billions of gallons of
diesel will be wasted and pollute needlessly.Stop the Tar Sands all
together? Then we must ship the oil from the overseassandbox.1 large
oil tanker can haul 120,000,000 gallons of oil1 boat takes 15 days to
cross the Atlantic.1 boat uses 63,000 gallons of fuel PER DAY, that is
about 1 million gallons ofthe most polluting type fuel in the world PER
TRIP.*(See below)Or take

3.5 days of Keystone Pipeline to move the same amount of oil with
afraction of the pollution.*In international waters ship emissions
remains one of the least regulated partsof our global transportation
system. The fuel used in ships is waste oil,basically what is left over
after the crude oil refining process. It is the sameas asphalt and is so
thick that when cold it can be walked upon . It's thecheapest and most
polluting fuel available and the world's 90,000 ships chewthrough an
astonishing 7.29 million barrels of it each day, or more than 84% ofall
exported oil production from Saudi Arabia.Shipping is by far the biggest
transport polluter in the world. There are 760million cars in the world
today emitting approx 78,599 tons of Sulphur Oxides(SOx) annually. The
world's 90,000 vessels burn approx 370 million tons of fuelper year
emitting 20 million tons of Sulphur Oxides. That equates to 260
timesmore Sulphur Oxides being emitted by ships than the worlds entire car fleet. Onelarge
ship alone can generate approx 5,200 tonnes of sulphur oxide pollution
ina year, meaning that 15 of the largest ships now emit as much SOx as
the worlds760 million cars.Eliminate all gas consuming cars and diesel
vehicles?Worldwide car gas consumption is 403,583,712,000 gallons a
year. That's billion.Worldwide oil consumption is 1,500,000,000,000
gallons a year. That'strillion.It takes 2.15 gallons of oil to make 1
gallon of car gas and .6 gal of diesel.So it takes 867,704,980,800
gallons of oil to run the worlds cars, most dieselvehicles for a year
and some ships.That leaves 632,295,019,200 gallons of oil for other
uses.Passenger vehicles are only a very small percentage of the problem.
Why notcreate an industry to clean exhaust instead of crushing an entire
industry andbuilding a complete untested, replacement industry? Are we
willing todramatically increase mining to get all the minerals necessary
to make all thesebatteries and electric motors? Mining is way worse for the
environment than oilextraction. How does stopping the Keystone make
anyone feel good?[Copied from friend]--Freedom Isn't Free!

When you put it that way, Someone would have to be a complete
idiot to interfere with the completion of the pipeline.


===

There's no question that pipelines are the safest and most cost
effective way of transporting crude oil. I thought it was a
disappointing, bad decision. On the other hand if that was the cost
of getting Trump out of office, maybe it was worth it. I don't want
my grandchildren growing up in a dictator led banana republic,
supported by a cult of racist crazies.


Then why are you supporting Nancy and her ilk?

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On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 2:53:34 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
Wayne B wrote:


There's no question that pipelines are the safest and most cost
effective way of transporting crude oil. I thought it was a
disappointing, bad decision. On the other hand if that was the cost
of getting Trump out of office, maybe it was worth it. I don't want
my grandchildren growing up in a dictator led banana republic,
supported by a cult of racist crazies.

Then why are you supporting Nancy and her ilk?


He seemingly wants his grandchildren to grow up in a socialist society where everyone picks their preferred pronoun, they all have free healthcare but no one has a job since all the businesses have been regulated out of the country, and everyone is under austerity measures and are rioting in the streets. But he's got his and can just cruise down to the islands and live happily ever after with all the rest of the rich liberals.


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On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 12:05:11 -0800 (PST), "
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On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 2:53:34 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
Wayne B wrote:


There's no question that pipelines are the safest and most cost
effective way of transporting crude oil. I thought it was a
disappointing, bad decision. On the other hand if that was the cost
of getting Trump out of office, maybe it was worth it. I don't want
my grandchildren growing up in a dictator led banana republic,
supported by a cult of racist crazies.

Then why are you supporting Nancy and her ilk?


He seemingly wants his grandchildren to grow up in a socialist society where everyone picks their preferred pronoun, they all have free healthcare but no one has a job since all the businesses have been regulated out of the country, and everyone is under austerity measures and are rioting in the streets. But he's got his and can just cruise down to the islands and live happily ever after with all the rest of the rich liberals.


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If the Republican party could snap out of their present love affair
with criminal Trump I'd be happy to have a moderate, conservative
president.
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On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 3:33:39 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 12:05:11 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 2:53:34 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
Wayne B wrote:


There's no question that pipelines are the safest and most cost
effective way of transporting crude oil. I thought it was a
disappointing, bad decision. On the other hand if that was the cost
of getting Trump out of office, maybe it was worth it. I don't want
my grandchildren growing up in a dictator led banana republic,
supported by a cult of racist crazies.

Then why are you supporting Nancy and her ilk?


He seemingly wants his grandchildren to grow up in a socialist society where everyone picks their preferred pronoun, they all have free healthcare but no one has a job since all the businesses have been regulated out of the country, and everyone is under austerity measures and are rioting in the streets. But he's got his and can just cruise down to the islands and live happily ever after with all the rest of the rich liberals.

===

If the Republican party could snap out of their present love affair
with criminal Trump I'd be happy to have a moderate, conservative
president.


If the media and the Democrats could have snapped out of their blind hatred of Trump, and instead of continuously attacking him before he even took office they had tried to work with him, the last 4 years could have been much different.

Besides, the county had to choose between him and criminal Hillary. They chose wisely.
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On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 12:48:42 -0800 (PST), "
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On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 3:33:39 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 12:05:11 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 2:53:34 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
Wayne B wrote:

There's no question that pipelines are the safest and most cost
effective way of transporting crude oil. I thought it was a
disappointing, bad decision. On the other hand if that was the cost
of getting Trump out of office, maybe it was worth it. I don't want
my grandchildren growing up in a dictator led banana republic,
supported by a cult of racist crazies.

Then why are you supporting Nancy and her ilk?

He seemingly wants his grandchildren to grow up in a socialist society where everyone picks their preferred pronoun, they all have free healthcare but no one has a job since all the businesses have been regulated out of the country, and everyone is under austerity measures and are rioting in the streets. But he's got his and can just cruise down to the islands and live happily ever after with all the rest of the rich liberals.

===

If the Republican party could snap out of their present love affair
with criminal Trump I'd be happy to have a moderate, conservative
president.


If the media and the Democrats could have snapped out of their blind hatred of Trump, and instead of continuously attacking him before he even took office they had tried to work with him, the last 4 years could have been much different.

Besides, the county had to choose between him and criminal Hillary. They chose wisely.


===

I agree that Hillary was a bad choice but I don't think she would have
tried to set herself up as queen for life. And we already know that
she didn't try to steal the election after she lost.
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On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 14:24:06 -0500, Wayne B
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On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 14:01:43 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

John Wrote in message:r
KEYSTONE PIPELINE vs TRAIN vs SHIP TO MOVE OILThese numbers were Fact-Checked with Google:1 Train has 100 cars, 2 engines and weighs 27,240,000 LBS.1 Train carries 3,000,000 gallons of oil.1 train uses 55.5 gallons of diesel per mile.It takes 119,000 gallons of diesel to go 2150 miles from Hardidsy, AB toFreeport, TX.Keystone pipeline was to deliver 34,860,000 gallons of oil per day.It would take 12 trains and 1,428,000 gallons of diesel to deliver that amount.PER DAY!521,220,000 gallons of diesel per year.The oil will still go to market with or without the pipeline. By stopping thepipeline billions of gallons of diesel will be wasted and pollute needlessly.Stop the Tar Sands all together? Then we must ship the oil from the overseassandbox.1 large oil tanker can haul 120,000,000 gallons of oil1 boat takes 15 days to cross the Atlantic.1 boat uses 63,000 gallons of fuel PER DAY, that is about 1 million gallons ofthe most polluting type fuel in the world PER TRIP.*(See below)Or

take
3.5 days of Keystone Pipeline to move the same amount of oil with afraction of the pollution.*In international waters ship emissions remains one of the least regulated partsof our global transportation system. The fuel used in ships is waste oil,basically what is left over after the crude oil refining process. It is the sameas asphalt and is so thick that when cold it can be walked upon . It's thecheapest and most polluting fuel available and the world's 90,000 ships chewthrough an astonishing 7.29 million barrels of it each day, or more than 84% ofall exported oil production from Saudi Arabia.Shipping is by far the biggest transport polluter in the world. There are 760million cars in the world today emitting approx 78,599 tons of Sulphur Oxides(SOx) annually. The world's 90,000 vessels burn approx 370 million tons of fuelper year emitting 20 million tons of Sulphur Oxides. That equates to 260 timesmore Sulphur Oxides being emitted by ships than the worlds entire car fleet.

Onelarge
ship alone can generate approx 5,200 tonnes of sulphur oxide pollution ina year, meaning that 15 of the largest ships now emit as much SOx as the worlds760 million cars.Eliminate all gas consuming cars and diesel vehicles?Worldwide car gas consumption is 403,583,712,000 gallons a year. That's billion.Worldwide oil consumption is 1,500,000,000,000 gallons a year. That'strillion.It takes 2.15 gallons of oil to make 1 gallon of car gas and .6 gal of diesel.So it takes 867,704,980,800 gallons of oil to run the worlds cars, most dieselvehicles for a year and some ships.That leaves 632,295,019,200 gallons of oil for other uses.Passenger vehicles are only a very small percentage of the problem. Why notcreate an industry to clean exhaust instead of crushing an entire industry andbuilding a complete untested, replacement industry? Are we willing todramatically increase mining to get all the minerals necessary to make all thesebatteries and electric motors? Mining is way worse for the
environment than oilextraction. How does stopping the Keystone make anyone feel good?[Copied from friend]--Freedom Isn't Free!

When you put it that way, Someone would have to be a complete
idiot to interfere with the completion of the pipeline.


===

There's no question that pipelines are the safest and most cost
effective way of transporting crude oil. I thought it was a
disappointing, bad decision. On the other hand if that was the cost
of getting Trump out of office, maybe it was worth it. I don't want
my grandchildren growing up in a dictator led banana republic,
supported by a cult of racist crazies.


There you go with the nonsensical bull**** again.
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On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 12:48:42 -0800 (PST), "
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On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 3:33:39 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 12:05:11 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 2:53:34 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
Wayne B wrote:

There's no question that pipelines are the safest and most cost
effective way of transporting crude oil. I thought it was a
disappointing, bad decision. On the other hand if that was the cost
of getting Trump out of office, maybe it was worth it. I don't want
my grandchildren growing up in a dictator led banana republic,
supported by a cult of racist crazies.

Then why are you supporting Nancy and her ilk?

He seemingly wants his grandchildren to grow up in a socialist society where everyone picks their preferred pronoun, they all have free healthcare but no one has a job since all the businesses have been regulated out of the country, and everyone is under austerity measures and are rioting in the streets. But he's got his and can just cruise down to the islands and live happily ever after with all the rest of the rich liberals.

===

If the Republican party could snap out of their present love affair
with criminal Trump I'd be happy to have a moderate, conservative
president.


If the media and the Democrats could have snapped out of their blind hatred of Trump, and instead of continuously attacking him before he even took office they had tried to work with him, the last 4 years could have been much different.

Besides, the county had to choose between him and criminal Hillary. They chose wisely.


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