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Do the math, dummy
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 07:27:40 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/15/2021 2:24 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 14:01:43 -0500 (EST), justan wrote: John Wrote in message:r KEYSTONE PIPELINE vs TRAIN vs SHIP TO MOVE OILThese numbers were Fact-Checked with Google:1 Train has 100 cars, 2 engines and weighs 27,240,000 LBS.1 Train carries 3,000,000 gallons of oil.1 train uses 55.5 gallons of diesel per mile.It takes 119,000 gallons of diesel to go 2150 miles from Hardidsy, AB toFreeport, TX.Keystone pipeline was to deliver 34,860,000 gallons of oil per day.It would take 12 trains and 1,428,000 gallons of diesel to deliver that amount.PER DAY!521,220,000 gallons of diesel per year.The oil will still go to market with or without the pipeline. By stopping thepipeline billions of gallons of diesel will be wasted and pollute needlessly.Stop the Tar Sands all together? Then we must ship the oil from the overseassandbox.1 large oil tanker can haul 120,000,000 gallons of oil1 boat takes 15 days to cross the Atlantic.1 boat uses 63,000 gallons of fuel PER DAY, that is about 1 million gallons ofthe most polluting type fuel in the world PER TRIP.*(See below)Or take 3.5 days of Keystone Pipeline to move the same amount of oil with afraction of the pollution.*In international waters ship emissions remains one of the least regulated partsof our global transportation system. The fuel used in ships is waste oil,basically what is left over after the crude oil refining process. It is the sameas asphalt and is so thick that when cold it can be walked upon . It's thecheapest and most polluting fuel available and the world's 90,000 ships chewthrough an astonishing 7.29 million barrels of it each day, or more than 84% ofall exported oil production from Saudi Arabia.Shipping is by far the biggest transport polluter in the world. There are 760million cars in the world today emitting approx 78,599 tons of Sulphur Oxides(SOx) annually. The world's 90,000 vessels burn approx 370 million tons of fuelper year emitting 20 million tons of Sulphur Oxides. That equates to 260 timesmore Sulphur Oxides being emitted by ships than the worlds entire car fleet. Onelarge ship alone can generate approx 5,200 tonnes of sulphur oxide pollution ina year, meaning that 15 of the largest ships now emit as much SOx as the worlds760 million cars.Eliminate all gas consuming cars and diesel vehicles?Worldwide car gas consumption is 403,583,712,000 gallons a year. That's billion.Worldwide oil consumption is 1,500,000,000,000 gallons a year. That'strillion.It takes 2.15 gallons of oil to make 1 gallon of car gas and .6 gal of diesel.So it takes 867,704,980,800 gallons of oil to run the worlds cars, most dieselvehicles for a year and some ships.That leaves 632,295,019,200 gallons of oil for other uses.Passenger vehicles are only a very small percentage of the problem. Why notcreate an industry to clean exhaust instead of crushing an entire industry andbuilding a complete untested, replacement industry? Are we willing todramatically increase mining to get all the minerals necessary to make all thesebatteries and electric motors? Mining is way worse for the environment than oilextraction. How does stopping the Keystone make anyone feel good?[Copied from friend]--Freedom Isn't Free! When you put it that way, Someone would have to be a complete idiot to interfere with the completion of the pipeline. === There's no question that pipelines are the safest and most cost effective way of transporting crude oil. I thought it was a disappointing, bad decision. On the other hand if that was the cost of getting Trump out of office, maybe it was worth it. I don't want my grandchildren growing up in a dictator led banana republic, supported by a cult of racist crazies. Here's one thing I can't understand: In 2019, about 63% of U.S. energy generation was produced from fossil fuels (coal, natural gas, and petroleum). About 20% was from nuclear energy, and about 17% was from renewable energy sources such as wind, solar, hydro, etc. Of the 17% of renewable sourced energy, 11% is currently converted to electricity. BTW ... wind and solar are very small contributors to the overall "green" sources. So now, a push is on to eliminate fossil fueled cars and eventually trucks. GM claims their cars will be all electric in 2035. Sounds wonderful but where is the electricity required to charge all these electric powered cars daily going to come from? I can't find the stats but I imagine the equivalent "green" generated energy required to fuel a future of all electric vehicles must be enormous. . Here's some stats for you: KEYSTONE PIPELINE vs TRAIN vs SHIP TO MOVE OIL These numbers were Fact-Checked with Google: 1 Train has 100 cars, 2 engines and weighs 27,240,000 LBS. 1 Train carries 3,000,000 gallons of oil. 1 train uses 55.5 gallons of diesel per mile. It takes 119,000 gallons of diesel to go 2150 miles from Hardidsy, AB to Freeport, TX. Keystone pipeline was to deliver 34,860,000 gallons of oil per day. It would take 12 trains and 1,428,000 gallons of diesel to deliver that amount. PER DAY! 521,220,000 gallons of diesel per year. The oil will still go to market with or without the pipeline. By stopping the pipeline billions of gallons of diesel will be wasted and pollute needlessly. Stop the Tar Sands all together? Then we must ship the oil from the overseas sandbox. 1 large oil tanker can haul 120,000,000 gallons of oil 1 boat takes 15 days to cross the Atlantic. 1 boat uses 63,000 gallons of fuel PER DAY, that is about 1 million gallons of the most polluting type fuel in the world PER TRIP.*(See below) Or take 3.5 days of Keystone Pipeline to move the same amount of oil with a fraction of the pollution. *In international waters ship emissions remains one of the least regulated parts of our global transportation system. The fuel used in ships is waste oil, basically what is left over after the crude oil refining process. It is the same as asphalt and is so thick that when cold it can be walked upon . It's the cheapest and most polluting fuel available and the world's 90,000 ships chew through an astonishing 7.29 million barrels of it each day, or more than 84% of all exported oil production from Saudi Arabia. Shipping is by far the biggest transport polluter in the world. There are 760 million cars in the world today emitting approx 78,599 tons of Sulphur Oxides (SOx) annually. The world's 90,000 vessels burn approx 370 million tons of fuel per year emitting 20 million tons of Sulphur Oxides. That equates to 260 times more Sulphur Oxides being emitted by ships than the worlds entire car fleet. One large ship alone can generate approx 5,200 tonnes of sulphur oxide pollution in a year, meaning that 15 of the largest ships now emit as much SOx as the worlds 760 million cars. Eliminate all gas consuming cars and diesel vehicles? Worldwide car gas consumption is 403,583,712,000 gallons a year. That's billion. Worldwide oil consumption is 1,500,000,000,000 gallons a year. That's trillion. It takes 2.15 gallons of oil to make 1 gallon of car gas and .6 gal of diesel. So it takes 867,704,980,800 gallons of oil to run the worlds cars, most diesel vehicles for a year and some ships. That leaves 632,295,019,200 gallons of oil for other uses. Passenger vehicles are only a very small percentage of the problem. Why not create an industry to clean exhaust instead of crushing an entire industry and building a complete untested, replacement industry? Are we willing to dramatically increase mining to get all the minerals necessary to make all these batteries and electric motors? Mining is way worse for the environment than oil extraction. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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Do the math, dummy
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 12:47:46 -0500, John wrote:
Passenger vehicles are only a very small percentage of the problem. Why not create an industry to clean exhaust instead of crushing an entire industry and building a complete untested, replacement industry? Are we willing to dramatically increase mining to get all the minerals necessary to make all these batteries and electric motors? Mining is way worse for the environment than oil extraction. -- For the most part modern cars are a lot cleaner than the plants that power a Tesla. A lot of them are burning high sulfur coal (23%). Elon doesn't brag about his coal burning car. |
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