On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 16:04:44 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 12:48:42 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 3:33:39 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 12:05:11 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 2:53:34 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
Wayne B wrote:

There's no question that pipelines are the safest and most cost
effective way of transporting crude oil. I thought it was a
disappointing, bad decision. On the other hand if that was the cost
of getting Trump out of office, maybe it was worth it. I don't want
my grandchildren growing up in a dictator led banana republic,
supported by a cult of racist crazies.

Then why are you supporting Nancy and her ilk?

He seemingly wants his grandchildren to grow up in a socialist society where everyone picks their preferred pronoun, they all have free healthcare but no one has a job since all the businesses have been regulated out of the country, and everyone is under austerity measures and are rioting in the streets. But he's got his and can just cruise down to the islands and live happily ever after with all the rest of the rich liberals.
===

If the Republican party could snap out of their present love affair
with criminal Trump I'd be happy to have a moderate, conservative
president.

If the media and the Democrats could have snapped out of their blind hatred of Trump, and instead of continuously attacking him before he even took office they had tried to work with him, the last 4 years could have been much different.

Besides, the county had to choose between him and criminal Hillary. They chose wisely.

===

I agree that Hillary was a bad choice but I don't think she would have
tried to set herself up as queen for life. And we already know that
she didn't try to steal the election after she lost.

An appropriate comment would have been, "Well said."
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 16:39:54 -0500, John wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 14:24:06 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 14:01:43 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

John Wrote in message:r
KEYSTONE PIPELINE vs TRAIN vs SHIP TO MOVE OILThese numbers were Fact-Checked with Google:1 Train has 100 cars, 2 engines and weighs 27,240,000 LBS.1 Train carries 3,000,000 gallons of oil.1 train uses 55.5 gallons of diesel per mile.It takes 119,000 gallons of diesel to go 2150 miles from Hardidsy, AB toFreeport, TX.Keystone pipeline was to deliver 34,860,000 gallons of oil per day.It would take 12 trains and 1,428,000 gallons of diesel to deliver that amount.PER DAY!521,220,000 gallons of diesel per year.The oil will still go to market with or without the pipeline. By stopping thepipeline billions of gallons of diesel will be wasted and pollute needlessly.Stop the Tar Sands all together? Then we must ship the oil from the overseassandbox.1 large oil tanker can haul 120,000,000 gallons of oil1 boat takes 15 days to cross the Atlantic.1 boat uses 63,000 gallons of fuel PER DAY, that is about 1 million gallons ofthe most polluting type fuel in the world PER TRIP.*(See below)Or
take
3.5 days of Keystone Pipeline to move the same amount of oil with afraction of the pollution.*In international waters ship emissions remains one of the least regulated partsof our global transportation system. The fuel used in ships is waste oil,basically what is left over after the crude oil refining process. It is the sameas asphalt and is so thick that when cold it can be walked upon . It's thecheapest and most polluting fuel available and the world's 90,000 ships chewthrough an astonishing 7.29 million barrels of it each day, or more than 84% ofall exported oil production from Saudi Arabia.Shipping is by far the biggest transport polluter in the world. There are 760million cars in the world today emitting approx 78,599 tons of Sulphur Oxides(SOx) annually. The world's 90,000 vessels burn approx 370 million tons of fuelper year emitting 20 million tons of Sulphur Oxides. That equates to 260 timesmore Sulphur Oxides being emitted by ships than the worlds entire car fleet.
Onelarge
ship alone can generate approx 5,200 tonnes of sulphur oxide pollution ina year, meaning that 15 of the largest ships now emit as much SOx as the worlds760 million cars.Eliminate all gas consuming cars and diesel vehicles?Worldwide car gas consumption is 403,583,712,000 gallons a year. That's billion.Worldwide oil consumption is 1,500,000,000,000 gallons a year. That'strillion.It takes 2.15 gallons of oil to make 1 gallon of car gas and .6 gal of diesel.So it takes 867,704,980,800 gallons of oil to run the worlds cars, most dieselvehicles for a year and some ships.That leaves 632,295,019,200 gallons of oil for other uses.Passenger vehicles are only a very small percentage of the problem. Why notcreate an industry to clean exhaust instead of crushing an entire industry andbuilding a complete untested, replacement industry? Are we willing todramatically increase mining to get all the minerals necessary to make all thesebatteries and electric motors? Mining is way worse for the
environment than oilextraction. How does stopping the Keystone make anyone feel good?[Copied from friend]--Freedom Isn't Free!

When you put it that way, Someone would have to be a complete
idiot to interfere with the completion of the pipeline.

===

There's no question that pipelines are the safest and most cost
effective way of transporting crude oil. I thought it was a
disappointing, bad decision. On the other hand if that was the cost
of getting Trump out of office, maybe it was worth it. I don't want
my grandchildren growing up in a dictator led banana republic,
supported by a cult of racist crazies.

There you go with the nonsensical bull**** again.

===

It may be nonsense to you but not to a lot of other people. And there
is quite a bit of evidence on my side of the argument. There were
even 7 republicans who had the guts to stand up and let there vote be
counted. It's good to know that sanity, honesty and respect for
democracy prevails in some small corners of the senate.

Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 12:05:11 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 2:53:34 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
Wayne B wrote:

There's no question that pipelines are the safest and most cost
effective way of transporting crude oil. I thought it was a
disappointing, bad decision. On the other hand if that was the cost
of getting Trump out of office, maybe it was worth it. I don't want
my grandchildren growing up in a dictator led banana republic,
supported by a cult of racist crazies.

Then why are you supporting Nancy and her ilk?

He seemingly wants his grandchildren to grow up in a socialist society
where everyone picks their preferred pronoun, they all have free
healthcare but no one has a job since all the businesses have been
regulated out of the country, and everyone is under austerity measures
and are rioting in the streets. But he's got his and can just cruise
down to the islands and live happily ever after with all the rest of the rich liberals.

===

If the Republican party could snap out of their present love affair
with criminal Trump I'd be happy to have a moderate, conservative
president.


I would,like a moderate Democrat President. JFK would be ultra right wing
to the present party. Also, how many politicians will be hung from the
light posts when my Grandkids and great grandkids see how bad they have
been screwed. When was the rule you are not responsible for a relatives
debts ****canned?

Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 12:48:42 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 3:33:39 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 12:05:11 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 2:53:34 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
Wayne B wrote:

There's no question that pipelines are the safest and most cost
effective way of transporting crude oil. I thought it was a
disappointing, bad decision. On the other hand if that was the cost
of getting Trump out of office, maybe it was worth it. I don't want
my grandchildren growing up in a dictator led banana republic,
supported by a cult of racist crazies.

Then why are you supporting Nancy and her ilk?

He seemingly wants his grandchildren to grow up in a socialist society
where everyone picks their preferred pronoun, they all have free
healthcare but no one has a job since all the businesses have been
regulated out of the country, and everyone is under austerity measures
and are rioting in the streets. But he's got his and can just cruise
down to the islands and live happily ever after with all the rest of the rich liberals.
===

If the Republican party could snap out of their present love affair
with criminal Trump I'd be happy to have a moderate, conservative
president.

If the media and the Democrats could have snapped out of their blind
hatred of Trump, and instead of continuously attacking him before he
even took office they had tried to work with him, the last 4 years could
have been much different.

Besides, the county had to choose between him and criminal Hillary.
They chose wisely.

===

I agree that Hillary was a bad choice but I don't think she would have
tried to set herself up as queen for life. And we already know that
she didn't try to steal the election after she lost.


She lost so big, was an impossible challenge. The Dem’s tried to steal the
election with Gore. How many hanging chad? The counts were not certified
until mid December.

On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 4:04:50 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 12:48:42 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 3:33:39 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 12:05:11 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 2:53:34 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
Wayne B wrote:

There's no question that pipelines are the safest and most cost
effective way of transporting crude oil. I thought it was a
disappointing, bad decision. On the other hand if that was the cost
of getting Trump out of office, maybe it was worth it. I don't want
my grandchildren growing up in a dictator led banana republic,
supported by a cult of racist crazies.

Then why are you supporting Nancy and her ilk?

He seemingly wants his grandchildren to grow up in a socialist society where everyone picks their preferred pronoun, they all have free healthcare but no one has a job since all the businesses have been regulated out of the country, and everyone is under austerity measures and are rioting in the streets. But he's got his and can just cruise down to the islands and live happily ever after with all the rest of the rich liberals.
===

If the Republican party could snap out of their present love affair
with criminal Trump I'd be happy to have a moderate, conservative
president.

If the media and the Democrats could have snapped out of their blind hatred of Trump, and instead of continuously attacking him before he even took office they had tried to work with him, the last 4 years could have been much different.

Besides, the county had to choose between him and criminal Hillary. They chose wisely.
===

I agree that Hillary was a bad choice but I don't think she would have
tried to set herself up as queen for life. And we already know that
she didn't try to steal the election after she lost.

Yeah, she and the DNC tried to cheat and steal the election while it was in progress. Fed her the debate questions in advance, etc.

"queen (POTUS) for life"? Neither did Trump. Hyperbole much?

I believe Trump (rightfully so) questioned the fairness of the election. We now know (Time magazine article) that powerful forces were working to tilt the election away from Trump in Biden's favor, including some very questionable and possibly unconstitutional changes in key swing state's election laws. It was already suspected. I believe we have just had the most contrived and tilted elections that have ever witnessed, and the chicanery came from the liberal side in an all-out effort to make sure he wasn't re-elected..

He made a lot of noise, but in the end I don't believe there is any way he would have tried to declare himself the winner to become king for life. Anyone that *really* believes that is as crazy as the tiny percentage of his supporters that are truly rabid. He, like everyone else, knows that a small group of agents would simply go to the WH and escort him away. Surely you realize that to be the reality?

On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 13:58:11 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 4:04:50 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 12:48:42 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 3:33:39 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 12:05:11 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 2:53:34 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
Wayne B wrote:

There's no question that pipelines are the safest and most cost
effective way of transporting crude oil. I thought it was a
disappointing, bad decision. On the other hand if that was the cost
of getting Trump out of office, maybe it was worth it. I don't want
my grandchildren growing up in a dictator led banana republic,
supported by a cult of racist crazies.

Then why are you supporting Nancy and her ilk?

He seemingly wants his grandchildren to grow up in a socialist society where everyone picks their preferred pronoun, they all have free healthcare but no one has a job since all the businesses have been regulated out of the country, and everyone is under austerity measures and are rioting in the streets. But he's got his and can just cruise down to the islands and live happily ever after with all the rest of the rich liberals.
===

If the Republican party could snap out of their present love affair
with criminal Trump I'd be happy to have a moderate, conservative
president.

If the media and the Democrats could have snapped out of their blind hatred of Trump, and instead of continuously attacking him before he even took office they had tried to work with him, the last 4 years could have been much different.

Besides, the county had to choose between him and criminal Hillary. They chose wisely.
===

I agree that Hillary was a bad choice but I don't think she would have
tried to set herself up as queen for life. And we already know that
she didn't try to steal the election after she lost.

Yeah, she and the DNC tried to cheat and steal the election while it was in progress. Fed her the debate questions in advance, etc.

"queen (POTUS) for life"? Neither did Trump. Hyperbole much?

I believe Trump (rightfully so) questioned the fairness of the election. We now know (Time magazine article) that powerful forces were working to tilt the election away from Trump in Biden's favor, including some very questionable and possibly unconstitutional changes in key swing state's election laws. It was already suspected. I believe we have just had the most contrived and tilted elections that have ever witnessed, and the chicanery came from the liberal side in an all-out effort to make sure he wasn't re-elected.

He made a lot of noise, but in the end I don't believe there is any way he would have tried to declare himself the winner to become king for life. Anyone that *really* believes that is as crazy as the tiny percentage of his supporters that are truly rabid. He, like everyone else, knows that a small group of agents would simply go to the WH and escort him away. Surely you realize that to be the reality?

===

Trump started saying months in advance that he would not accept the
election results if the vote went against him. That's one thing he
didn't lie about.

Wayne B Wrote in message:r
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 12:48:42 -0800 (PST), wrote:On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 3:33:39 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote: On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 12:05:11 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 2:53:34 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote: Wayne B wrote: There's no question that pipelines are the safest and most cost effective way of transporting crude oil. I thought it was a disappointing, bad decision. On the other hand if that was the cost of getting Trump out of office, maybe it was worth it. I don't want my grandchildren growing up in a dictator led banana republic, supported by a cult of racist crazies. Then why are you supporting Nancy and her ilk? He seemingly wants his grandchildren to grow up in a socialist society where everyone picks their preferred pronoun, they all have free healthcare but no one has a job since all the businesses have been regulated out of the country, and everyone is under austerity measures and are rioting in the streets. But he's got his and can just cruise down to the islands and live happily ever after with all the rest of the rich liberals. === If the Republican party could snap out of their present love affair with criminal Trump I'd be happy to have a moderate, conservative president.If the media and the Democrats could have snapped out of their blind hatred of Trump, and instead of continuously attacking him before he even took office they had tried to work with him, the last 4 years could have been much different.Besides, the county had to choose between him and criminal Hillary. They chose wisely. ===I agree that Hillary was a bad choice but I don't think she would havetried to set herself up as queen for life. And we already know thatshe didn't try to steal the election after she lost.

The biggest mystery is why isnt Hillery in jail?
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On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 6:11:12 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 13:58:11 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 4:04:50 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 12:48:42 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 3:33:39 PM UTC-5, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 12:05:11 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 2:53:34 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
Wayne B wrote:

There's no question that pipelines are the safest and most cost
effective way of transporting crude oil. I thought it was a
disappointing, bad decision. On the other hand if that was the cost
of getting Trump out of office, maybe it was worth it. I don't want
my grandchildren growing up in a dictator led banana republic,
supported by a cult of racist crazies.

Then why are you supporting Nancy and her ilk?

He seemingly wants his grandchildren to grow up in a socialist society where everyone picks their preferred pronoun, they all have free healthcare but no one has a job since all the businesses have been regulated out of the country, and everyone is under austerity measures and are rioting in the streets. But he's got his and can just cruise down to the islands and live happily ever after with all the rest of the rich liberals.
===

If the Republican party could snap out of their present love affair
with criminal Trump I'd be happy to have a moderate, conservative
president.

If the media and the Democrats could have snapped out of their blind hatred of Trump, and instead of continuously attacking him before he even took office they had tried to work with him, the last 4 years could have been much different.

Besides, the county had to choose between him and criminal Hillary. They chose wisely.
===

I agree that Hillary was a bad choice but I don't think she would have
tried to set herself up as queen for life. And we already know that
she didn't try to steal the election after she lost.

Yeah, she and the DNC tried to cheat and steal the election while it was in progress. Fed her the debate questions in advance, etc.

"queen (POTUS) for life"? Neither did Trump. Hyperbole much?

I believe Trump (rightfully so) questioned the fairness of the election. We now know (Time magazine article) that powerful forces were working to tilt the election away from Trump in Biden's favor, including some very questionable and possibly unconstitutional changes in key swing state's election laws. It was already suspected. I believe we have just had the most contrived and tilted elections that have ever witnessed, and the chicanery came from the liberal side in an all-out effort to make sure he wasn't re-elected.

He made a lot of noise, but in the end I don't believe there is any way he would have tried to declare himself the winner to become king for life. Anyone that *really* believes that is as crazy as the tiny percentage of his supporters that are truly rabid. He, like everyone else, knows that a small group of agents would simply go to the WH and escort him away. Surely you realize that to be the reality?
===

Trump started saying months in advance that he would not accept the
election results if the vote went against him. That's one thing he
didn't lie about.

Even CNN doesn't say that. Their headline does, but then in his words that they quote he never actually says he "would not accept" the election results.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/24/politics/trump-election-warnings-leaving-office/index.html

If you read his words without bias, he's floating the idea that the election is tainted (it was, Time Magazine), and the he'd wait and see or have the SC figure it out (hmm, Gore). Then boasts to supporters that he "deserves" four more years for the spying on his campaign (they did), even though that just boasting for supporters at *rallies* and he never said he'd actually try to take 4 more, and never said "for life", like you are trying to say.. More liberal hyperbole. Don't buy into it.

Look, Trump had some really good policies but he just wasn't a politician and couldn't keep his NY mouth shut. I too would like a more sedate conservative POTUS. Instead, after the liberal election meddling, we now have a career do-nothing politician and a dangerous knee-pad liberal in the WH. I believe that will be far more dangerous and hurtful to our county and democracy than a continuation of Trump's *policies*, especially now that his Twitter account is shut down. However, I do hope that we will survive the next 4 years without irreparable damage.

On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 14:24:06 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 14:01:43 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

John Wrote in message:r
KEYSTONE PIPELINE vs TRAIN vs SHIP TO MOVE OILThese numbers were Fact-Checked with Google:1 Train has 100 cars, 2 engines and weighs 27,240,000 LBS.1 Train carries 3,000,000 gallons of oil.1 train uses 55.5 gallons of diesel per mile.It takes 119,000 gallons of diesel to go 2150 miles from Hardidsy, AB toFreeport, TX.Keystone pipeline was to deliver 34,860,000 gallons of oil per day.It would take 12 trains and 1,428,000 gallons of diesel to deliver that amount.PER DAY!521,220,000 gallons of diesel per year.The oil will still go to market with or without the pipeline. By stopping thepipeline billions of gallons of diesel will be wasted and pollute needlessly.Stop the Tar Sands all together? Then we must ship the oil from the overseassandbox.1 large oil tanker can haul 120,000,000 gallons of oil1 boat takes 15 days to cross the Atlantic.1 boat uses 63,000 gallons of fuel PER DAY, that is about 1 million gallons ofthe most polluting type fuel in the world PER TRIP.*(See below)Or
take
3.5 days of Keystone Pipeline to move the same amount of oil with afraction of the pollution.*In international waters ship emissions remains one of the least regulated partsof our global transportation system. The fuel used in ships is waste oil,basically what is left over after the crude oil refining process. It is the sameas asphalt and is so thick that when cold it can be walked upon . It's thecheapest and most polluting fuel available and the world's 90,000 ships chewthrough an astonishing 7.29 million barrels of it each day, or more than 84% ofall exported oil production from Saudi Arabia.Shipping is by far the biggest transport polluter in the world. There are 760million cars in the world today emitting approx 78,599 tons of Sulphur Oxides(SOx) annually. The world's 90,000 vessels burn approx 370 million tons of fuelper year emitting 20 million tons of Sulphur Oxides. That equates to 260 timesmore Sulphur Oxides being emitted by ships than the worlds entire car fleet.
Onelarge
ship alone can generate approx 5,200 tonnes of sulphur oxide pollution ina year, meaning that 15 of the largest ships now emit as much SOx as the worlds760 million cars.Eliminate all gas consuming cars and diesel vehicles?Worldwide car gas consumption is 403,583,712,000 gallons a year. That's billion.Worldwide oil consumption is 1,500,000,000,000 gallons a year. That'strillion.It takes 2.15 gallons of oil to make 1 gallon of car gas and .6 gal of diesel.So it takes 867,704,980,800 gallons of oil to run the worlds cars, most dieselvehicles for a year and some ships.That leaves 632,295,019,200 gallons of oil for other uses.Passenger vehicles are only a very small percentage of the problem. Why notcreate an industry to clean exhaust instead of crushing an entire industry andbuilding a complete untested, replacement industry? Are we willing todramatically increase mining to get all the minerals necessary to make all thesebatteries and electric motors? Mining is way worse for the
environment than oilextraction. How does stopping the Keystone make anyone feel good?[Copied from friend]--Freedom Isn't Free!

When you put it that way, Someone would have to be a complete
idiot to interfere with the completion of the pipeline.

===

There's no question that pipelines are the safest and most cost
effective way of transporting crude oil. I thought it was a
disappointing, bad decision. On the other hand if that was the cost
of getting Trump out of office, maybe it was worth it. I don't want
my grandchildren growing up in a dictator led banana republic,
supported by a cult of racist crazies.

Holy Hyperbole Batman!

On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 16:48:26 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 16:39:54 -0500, John wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 14:24:06 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 14:01:43 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

John Wrote in message:r
KEYSTONE PIPELINE vs TRAIN vs SHIP TO MOVE OILThese numbers were Fact-Checked with Google:1 Train has 100 cars, 2 engines and weighs 27,240,000 LBS.1 Train carries 3,000,000 gallons of oil.1 train uses 55.5 gallons of diesel per mile.It takes 119,000 gallons of diesel to go 2150 miles from Hardidsy, AB toFreeport, TX.Keystone pipeline was to deliver 34,860,000 gallons of oil per day.It would take 12 trains and 1,428,000 gallons of diesel to deliver that amount.PER DAY!521,220,000 gallons of diesel per year.The oil will still go to market with or without the pipeline. By stopping thepipeline billions of gallons of diesel will be wasted and pollute needlessly.Stop the Tar Sands all together? Then we must ship the oil from the overseassandbox.1 large oil tanker can haul 120,000,000 gallons of oil1 boat takes 15 days to cross the Atlantic.1 boat uses 63,000 gallons of fuel PER DAY, that is about 1 million gallons ofthe most polluting type fuel in the world PER TRIP.*(See below)Or
take
3.5 days of Keystone Pipeline to move the same amount of oil with afraction of the pollution.*In international waters ship emissions remains one of the least regulated partsof our global transportation system. The fuel used in ships is waste oil,basically what is left over after the crude oil refining process. It is the sameas asphalt and is so thick that when cold it can be walked upon . It's thecheapest and most polluting fuel available and the world's 90,000 ships chewthrough an astonishing 7.29 million barrels of it each day, or more than 84% ofall exported oil production from Saudi Arabia.Shipping is by far the biggest transport polluter in the world. There are 760million cars in the world today emitting approx 78,599 tons of Sulphur Oxides(SOx) annually. The world's 90,000 vessels burn approx 370 million tons of fuelper year emitting 20 million tons of Sulphur Oxides. That equates to 260 timesmore Sulphur Oxides being emitted by ships than the worlds entire car fleet.
Onelarge
ship alone can generate approx 5,200 tonnes of sulphur oxide pollution ina year, meaning that 15 of the largest ships now emit as much SOx as the worlds760 million cars.Eliminate all gas consuming cars and diesel vehicles?Worldwide car gas consumption is 403,583,712,000 gallons a year. That's billion.Worldwide oil consumption is 1,500,000,000,000 gallons a year. That'strillion.It takes 2.15 gallons of oil to make 1 gallon of car gas and .6 gal of diesel.So it takes 867,704,980,800 gallons of oil to run the worlds cars, most dieselvehicles for a year and some ships.That leaves 632,295,019,200 gallons of oil for other uses.Passenger vehicles are only a very small percentage of the problem. Why notcreate an industry to clean exhaust instead of crushing an entire industry andbuilding a complete untested, replacement industry? Are we willing todramatically increase mining to get all the minerals necessary to make all thesebatteries and electric motors? Mining is way worse for the
environment than oilextraction. How does stopping the Keystone make anyone feel good?[Copied from friend]--Freedom Isn't Free!

When you put it that way, Someone would have to be a complete
idiot to interfere with the completion of the pipeline.

===

There's no question that pipelines are the safest and most cost
effective way of transporting crude oil. I thought it was a
disappointing, bad decision. On the other hand if that was the cost
of getting Trump out of office, maybe it was worth it. I don't want
my grandchildren growing up in a dictator led banana republic,
supported by a cult of racist crazies.

There you go with the nonsensical bull**** again.

===

It may be nonsense to you but not to a lot of other people. And there
is quite a bit of evidence on my side of the argument. There were
even 7 republicans who had the guts to stand up and let there vote be
counted. It's good to know that sanity, honesty and respect for
democracy prevails in some small corners of the senate.

Those were Republicans who plan to be spending more time with their
children when their terms are up. Most were just elected tho. They
hope in 5 years people forget.
I am ready for the Trump thing to be over but this impeachment made
him stronger in his base and the rest of the GOP is more worried about
174 million votes than any dumb thing Trump says.