On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 07:26:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/25/21 2:27 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2021 20:12:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/24/21 5:42 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2021 09:43:52 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/24/21 9:10 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2021 08:26:27 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/24/21 12:18 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
...new entry on "Storming of the Capitol..."
Interesting read. Justan, of course, will have to wait until a family
member of his can get her hands on the Classic Comics version...

https://tinyurl.com/y3pnyv89


I notice there are already complaints about the article and under revision.


Duh...that's how Wiki works, dummy. As it stands, though, it is a pretty
complete article on the Republican-Trump Insurrection, with lots of
cites, and much of it will be brought up in Trump's second impeachment
trial, if there is one or, better, perhaps his criminal trial(s).

I suspect in a real trial anything Trump said would fall under 1st
amendment protection. It was ambiguous enough to be held as political
speech. That was affirmed in National Socialist Party of America v.
Village of Skokie, 432 U.S. 43

In a politically driven witch hunt like an impeachment circus it just
depends on who can whip the most votes. In a trial it only takes one
to hang a jury.


So, my posit was correct: there is nothing Trump can do or say that you
won't support.

The First Amendment has its limitations, to wit:

18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection

Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion
or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws
thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this
title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be
incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII,
§?330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

How many successful prosecutions have there been for speech alone?


That wasn't what you asked. You implied incitement to insurrection was
protected free speech. It isn't. And Trump isn't a sitting POTUS anymore.

I am not really sure that is true. The Burger court made anything
remotely political, "protected speech".

If walking around with swastikas saying "kill all the Jews" is
political protected speech, I doubt anything Trump said is actionable.
The impeachment is not really about the law tho, it is a purely
political bill of attainder from congress and it gets by Art 1 Sect
9(3) by limiting the scope to purely political things.

You just said he doesn't have a chance of winning an election ... why
the impeachment?


You are entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't mean it is the
correct one. Repugnant as saying "kill all the Jews" is, it isn't on its
face, inciting a revolt against the U.S. government. Inciting an
insurrection is.

The jury is literally "out on that". Lets see what the Senate says.
It was your party who said they should decide.
I hope you are happy with the result.

On 1/25/21 11:57 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 07:26:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/25/21 2:27 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2021 20:12:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/24/21 5:42 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2021 09:43:52 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/24/21 9:10 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2021 08:26:27 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/24/21 12:18 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
...new entry on "Storming of the Capitol..."
Interesting read. Justan, of course, will have to wait until a family
member of his can get her hands on the Classic Comics version...

https://tinyurl.com/y3pnyv89


I notice there are already complaints about the article and under revision.


Duh...that's how Wiki works, dummy. As it stands, though, it is a pretty
complete article on the Republican-Trump Insurrection, with lots of
cites, and much of it will be brought up in Trump's second impeachment
trial, if there is one or, better, perhaps his criminal trial(s).

I suspect in a real trial anything Trump said would fall under 1st
amendment protection. It was ambiguous enough to be held as political
speech. That was affirmed in National Socialist Party of America v.
Village of Skokie, 432 U.S. 43

In a politically driven witch hunt like an impeachment circus it just
depends on who can whip the most votes. In a trial it only takes one
to hang a jury.


So, my posit was correct: there is nothing Trump can do or say that you
won't support.

The First Amendment has its limitations, to wit:

18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection

Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion
or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws
thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this
title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be
incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII,
§?330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

How many successful prosecutions have there been for speech alone?


That wasn't what you asked. You implied incitement to insurrection was
protected free speech. It isn't. And Trump isn't a sitting POTUS anymore.

I am not really sure that is true. The Burger court made anything
remotely political, "protected speech".

If walking around with swastikas saying "kill all the Jews" is
political protected speech, I doubt anything Trump said is actionable.
The impeachment is not really about the law tho, it is a purely
political bill of attainder from congress and it gets by Art 1 Sect
9(3) by limiting the scope to purely political things.

You just said he doesn't have a chance of winning an election ... why
the impeachment?


You are entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't mean it is the
correct one. Repugnant as saying "kill all the Jews" is, it isn't on its
face, inciting a revolt against the U.S. government. Inciting an
insurrection is.

The jury is literally "out on that". Lets see what the Senate says.
It was your party who said they should decide.
I hope you are happy with the result.


If by jury , you mean the spineless Repubs in the U.S. Senate, I
wouldn't bet on them convicting Trump. They have no spine.

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most of your posts and I don't read any of them.

On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 07:39:06 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/25/21 11:57 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 07:26:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/25/21 2:27 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2021 20:12:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/24/21 5:42 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2021 09:43:52 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/24/21 9:10 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2021 08:26:27 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/24/21 12:18 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
...new entry on "Storming of the Capitol..."
Interesting read. Justan, of course, will have to wait until a family
member of his can get her hands on the Classic Comics version...

https://tinyurl.com/y3pnyv89


I notice there are already complaints about the article and under revision.


Duh...that's how Wiki works, dummy. As it stands, though, it is a pretty
complete article on the Republican-Trump Insurrection, with lots of
cites, and much of it will be brought up in Trump's second impeachment
trial, if there is one or, better, perhaps his criminal trial(s).

I suspect in a real trial anything Trump said would fall under 1st
amendment protection. It was ambiguous enough to be held as political
speech. That was affirmed in National Socialist Party of America v.
Village of Skokie, 432 U.S. 43

In a politically driven witch hunt like an impeachment circus it just
depends on who can whip the most votes. In a trial it only takes one
to hang a jury.


So, my posit was correct: there is nothing Trump can do or say that you
won't support.

The First Amendment has its limitations, to wit:

18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection

Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion
or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws
thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this
title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be
incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII,
§?330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

How many successful prosecutions have there been for speech alone?


That wasn't what you asked. You implied incitement to insurrection was
protected free speech. It isn't. And Trump isn't a sitting POTUS anymore.

I am not really sure that is true. The Burger court made anything
remotely political, "protected speech".

If walking around with swastikas saying "kill all the Jews" is
political protected speech, I doubt anything Trump said is actionable.
The impeachment is not really about the law tho, it is a purely
political bill of attainder from congress and it gets by Art 1 Sect
9(3) by limiting the scope to purely political things.

You just said he doesn't have a chance of winning an election ... why
the impeachment?


You are entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't mean it is the
correct one. Repugnant as saying "kill all the Jews" is, it isn't on its
face, inciting a revolt against the U.S. government. Inciting an
insurrection is.

The jury is literally "out on that". Lets see what the Senate says.
It was your party who said they should decide.
I hope you are happy with the result.


If by jury , you mean the spineless Repubs in the U.S. Senate, I
wouldn't bet on them convicting Trump. They have no spine.

Why? Because they won't do what you want them to do?

Were they spineless when they acquitted Clinton too?