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Because denying reality is part of what Trump****s are good at...

"At the 2015 Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa, during his
presidential campaign, Trump mocked McCain, who was captured and
tortured by North Vietnamese forces during the Vietnam War, saying
he liked people who “weren’t captured” and aren’t “losers.”

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/worl...ld-trump-john-
mccain-loser-a4540421.html



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Nomen Nescio wrote:
Because denying reality is part of what Trump****s are good at...

"At the 2015 Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa, during his
presidential campaign, Trump mocked McCain, who was captured and
tortured by North Vietnamese forces during the Vietnam War, saying
he liked people who “weren’t captured” and aren’t “losers.”

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/worl...ld-trump-john-
mccain-loser-a4540421.html




What made McCain a hero?

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On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 17:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Bill
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Nomen Nescio wrote:
Because denying reality is part of what Trump****s are good at...

"At the 2015 Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa, during his
presidential campaign, Trump mocked McCain, who was captured and
tortured by North Vietnamese forces during the Vietnam War, saying
he liked people who “weren’t captured” and aren’t “losers.”

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/worl...ld-trump-john-
mccain-loser-a4540421.html




What made McCain a hero?


===

https://www.businessinsider.com/john-mccain-refused-early-release-as-a-pow-in-vietnam-2018-8

---

After nearly a year of imprisonment in Hanoi, McCain was offered
release. But he refused to leave his fellow prisoners behind.
McCain's subsequent torture and false confession, which provoked him
to attempt suicide twice, earned him special respect in the eyes of
many Americans.

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On Sat, 05 Sep 2020 15:08:32 -0400,
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On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 17:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Nomen Nescio wrote:
Because denying reality is part of what Trump****s are good at...

"At the 2015 Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa, during his
presidential campaign, Trump mocked McCain, who was captured and
tortured by North Vietnamese forces during the Vietnam War, saying
he liked people who “weren’t captured” and aren’t “losers.”

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/worl...ld-trump-john-
mccain-loser-a4540421.html




What made McCain a hero?


===

https://www.businessinsider.com/john-mccain-refused-early-release-as-a-pow-in-vietnam-2018-8

---

After nearly a year of imprisonment in Hanoi, McCain was offered
release. But he refused to leave his fellow prisoners behind.
McCain's subsequent torture and false confession, which provoked him
to attempt suicide twice, earned him special respect in the eyes of
many Americans.

---


Agreed.
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On Sat, 05 Sep 2020 15:08:32 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 17:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Nomen Nescio wrote:
Because denying reality is part of what Trump****s are good at...

"At the 2015 Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa, during his
presidential campaign, Trump mocked McCain, who was captured and
tortured by North Vietnamese forces during the Vietnam War, saying
he liked people who “weren’t captured” and aren’t “losers.”

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/worl...ld-trump-john-
mccain-loser-a4540421.html




What made McCain a hero?


===

https://www.businessinsider.com/john-mccain-refused-early-release-as-a-pow-in-vietnam-2018-8

---

After nearly a year of imprisonment in Hanoi, McCain was offered
release. But he refused to leave his fellow prisoners behind.
McCain's subsequent torture and false confession, which provoked him
to attempt suicide twice, earned him special respect in the eyes of
many Americans.

---


Agreed.


Local Bay Area guy was a fellow prisoner. Says McCain not sharpest knife
in the drawer. What was accomplished by not leaving fellow prisoners
behind? Guy in Stockton, California was a Hanoi Hilton resident. Later
was a contracted instructor for the military in handling being a POW. He
was shot down by a guy with an AK47 and a magic bullet entering he jet
intake. He says after a couple weeks, tell them anything they want to
know, as nothing is secret by then that you are aware of.



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On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 22:09:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
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wrote:
On Sat, 05 Sep 2020 15:08:32 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 17:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Nomen Nescio wrote:
Because denying reality is part of what Trump****s are good at...

"At the 2015 Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa, during his
presidential campaign, Trump mocked McCain, who was captured and
tortured by North Vietnamese forces during the Vietnam War, saying
he liked people who “weren’t captured” and aren’t “losers.”

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/worl...ld-trump-john-
mccain-loser-a4540421.html




What made McCain a hero?

===

https://www.businessinsider.com/john-mccain-refused-early-release-as-a-pow-in-vietnam-2018-8

---

After nearly a year of imprisonment in Hanoi, McCain was offered
release. But he refused to leave his fellow prisoners behind.
McCain's subsequent torture and false confession, which provoked him
to attempt suicide twice, earned him special respect in the eyes of
many Americans.

---


Agreed.


Local Bay Area guy was a fellow prisoner. Says McCain not sharpest knife
in the drawer. What was accomplished by not leaving fellow prisoners
behind? Guy in Stockton, California was a Hanoi Hilton resident. Later
was a contracted instructor for the military in handling being a POW. He
was shot down by a guy with an AK47 and a magic bullet entering he jet
intake. He says after a couple weeks, tell them anything they want to
know, as nothing is secret by then that you are aware of.


McCain did his best to uphold the Code Of Conduct and that is worthy
of something if you believe in your enlistment oath at all.
I understand it is pentagon wishful thinking by people who may have
never left the E ring for most of their career but we all had to learn
it and were supposed to believe it.
I also know my father was a POW in WWII and he says you do what you
have to do to survive.
I will give the Germans credit, they were soldiers, not torturers or
murderers.
This was after Ambleve tho and most of them understood they might have
to actually answer for their crimes. For about half the time he was
with them, they were running toward the American lines trying to get
away from the Russians. Everyone was hungry.
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wrote:
On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 22:09:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 05 Sep 2020 15:08:32 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 17:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Nomen Nescio wrote:
Because denying reality is part of what Trump****s are good at...

"At the 2015 Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa, during his
presidential campaign, Trump mocked McCain, who was captured and
tortured by North Vietnamese forces during the Vietnam War, saying
he liked people who “weren’t captured” and aren’t “losers.”

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/worl...ld-trump-john-
mccain-loser-a4540421.html




What made McCain a hero?

===

https://www.businessinsider.com/john-mccain-refused-early-release-as-a-pow-in-vietnam-2018-8

---

After nearly a year of imprisonment in Hanoi, McCain was offered
release. But he refused to leave his fellow prisoners behind.
McCain's subsequent torture and false confession, which provoked him
to attempt suicide twice, earned him special respect in the eyes of
many Americans.

---

Agreed.


Local Bay Area guy was a fellow prisoner. Says McCain not sharpest knife
in the drawer. What was accomplished by not leaving fellow prisoners
behind? Guy in Stockton, California was a Hanoi Hilton resident. Later
was a contracted instructor for the military in handling being a POW. He
was shot down by a guy with an AK47 and a magic bullet entering he jet
intake. He says after a couple weeks, tell them anything they want to
know, as nothing is secret by then that you are aware of.


McCain did his best to uphold the Code Of Conduct and that is worthy
of something if you believe in your enlistment oath at all.
I understand it is pentagon wishful thinking by people who may have
never left the E ring for most of their career but we all had to learn
it and were supposed to believe it.
I also know my father was a POW in WWII and he says you do what you
have to do to survive.
I will give the Germans credit, they were soldiers, not torturers or
murderers.
This was after Ambleve tho and most of them understood they might have
to actually answer for their crimes. For about half the time he was
with them, they were running toward the American lines trying to get
away from the Russians. Everyone was hungry.


He did his job. I just don’t understand the hero designation. True about
the Germans. My uncle spent the war in the South Pacific as a shooter.
Went out the Golden Gate during the first black out of WW2 on the West
Coast to Guadalcanal. Army. Woke up in the hospital in the Philippines on
the day the Japanese surrendered. He said very little about the war, but
said the worst thing was to be a POW of the Japanese. So it was pretty
much a fight to the death war in the Pacific for the foot soldiers.

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On Sun, 6 Sep 2020 07:50:04 -0000 (UTC), Bill
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wrote:
On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 22:09:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 05 Sep 2020 15:08:32 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 17:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Nomen Nescio wrote:
Because denying reality is part of what Trump****s are good at...

"At the 2015 Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa, during his
presidential campaign, Trump mocked McCain, who was captured and
tortured by North Vietnamese forces during the Vietnam War, saying
he liked people who “weren’t captured” and aren’t “losers.”

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/worl...ld-trump-john-
mccain-loser-a4540421.html




What made McCain a hero?

===

https://www.businessinsider.com/john-mccain-refused-early-release-as-a-pow-in-vietnam-2018-8

---

After nearly a year of imprisonment in Hanoi, McCain was offered
release. But he refused to leave his fellow prisoners behind.
McCain's subsequent torture and false confession, which provoked him
to attempt suicide twice, earned him special respect in the eyes of
many Americans.

---

Agreed.


Local Bay Area guy was a fellow prisoner. Says McCain not sharpest knife
in the drawer. What was accomplished by not leaving fellow prisoners
behind? Guy in Stockton, California was a Hanoi Hilton resident. Later
was a contracted instructor for the military in handling being a POW. He
was shot down by a guy with an AK47 and a magic bullet entering he jet
intake. He says after a couple weeks, tell them anything they want to
know, as nothing is secret by then that you are aware of.


McCain did his best to uphold the Code Of Conduct and that is worthy
of something if you believe in your enlistment oath at all.
I understand it is pentagon wishful thinking by people who may have
never left the E ring for most of their career but we all had to learn
it and were supposed to believe it.
I also know my father was a POW in WWII and he says you do what you
have to do to survive.
I will give the Germans credit, they were soldiers, not torturers or
murderers.
This was after Ambleve tho and most of them understood they might have
to actually answer for their crimes. For about half the time he was
with them, they were running toward the American lines trying to get
away from the Russians. Everyone was hungry.


He did his job. I just don’t understand the hero designation. True about
the Germans. My uncle spent the war in the South Pacific as a shooter.
Went out the Golden Gate during the first black out of WW2 on the West
Coast to Guadalcanal. Army. Woke up in the hospital in the Philippines on
the day the Japanese surrendered. He said very little about the war, but
said the worst thing was to be a POW of the Japanese. So it was pretty
much a fight to the death war in the Pacific for the foot soldiers.


I don't agree with the 'hero' moniker either. Staying behind shows comradeship
and compassion, but not heroism. If being a POW# is 'heroic' then all POW should
have received medals for heroism.
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