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Never take Fretwell's Advice on Corona Virus...
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Never take Fretwell's Advice on Corona Virus...
On Fri, 01 May 2020 08:10:49 -0400, John wrote:
On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 22:24:20 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 19:52:01 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 19:28:13 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:45:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: Japanese island suffering second wave of coronavirus after lifting lockdown too early [The Telegraph] Julian Ryall ,The Telegraph•April 29, 2020 A northern region of Japan is experiencing a second wave of coronavirus infections - and deaths - that experts say could have been avoided if the state of emergency had not been lifted too early. The island of Hokkaido had been held up as a model of how to control the spread of the virus, but it has now become a case study for the impact the disease can have if a lockdown is relaxed too soon. And experts say they hope that other cities and nations that are toying with the idea of lifting restrictions on travel, work and schools can learn from Hokkaido’s experience. Naomichi Suzuki, the prefectural governor, on February 29 declared a state of emergency in response to a sharp increase in coronavirus cases, all of which could be traced back to the Sapporo Snow Festival at the beginning of the month. The annual event attracted more than 2 million people to the city, with local health authorities treating a Chinese tourist from Wuhan who had contracted the illness before arriving in Hokkaido. Despite the state of emergency, 118 people were being treated for the virus by March 12, making Hokkaido the worst-hit of all Japan’s 47 prefectures. In tandem with the state of emergency - under which schools were closed, large-scale gatherings were cancelled and people were officially “encouraged” to stay at home - the local government introduced aggressive measures to trace and isolate anyone who had been in contact with victims. The approach appeared to have been effective and, just a week later, the number of new cases had fallen to one or two a day. Assuming that they had weathered the storm - and keen to get the local economy operating again - local authorities lifted the state of emergency on March 19, with schools and businesses reopening. With hindsight, experts agree, it was too early and, just 26 days later and after 135 new infections were reported in the space of a week, the lockdown was reimposed on Hokkaido’s 5.3 million residents. With the exception of infections brought to us from New York and on Cruise ships in two counties, we never had the first wave. Hospitals were never stressed. We have 6000 unused ventilators, ICU beds are 38% empty, far lower than the hospital needs to pay for them. Our per capita infection rate in my county is lower than yours. The things they are reopening are not any more dangerous than the things that never closed. As the guy in the shoe store said tonight on the news "why is it more dangerous to be in my shoe store with 3 customers than it is to buy shoes in Walmart with 500 customers"? I notice you don't like to talk about Sweden. They had more cases than Norway or Denmark but they are about over this mess and they will be done with it, not waiting for the wave when people come out of their basement. They also don't have that mass unemployment, business failures and suffering that brings you such joy. And their death rate is much higher than ours. If I believe the scare mongers, our death rate will spike when we lift the house arrest edict. Even so their death rate is 26 per 100,000. Ours is 18 per 100,000 but we have to include a lot of states with very low infection rates in that. If you take the Acela corridor (with a similar population density) we are a whole lot worse. Sweden has a lot of open space also. And, I referred to the death rate, not the infection rate. That was the death rate Swe 26/100k USA 18/100k New York state also has a lot of open space and they are 126/100k Mass is 52/100k, Md is 19/100k, Il is 19/100k Va is 6/100k and Florida is 6/100k. In all of those states, the farther you get from the big city, the lower the rate is. For example outside of Miami/Ft Lauderdale/Palm Beach, Florida is 1.9/100k. Mass is being driven by Boston. I doubt Richard is in a lot of danger nor is Tim in Clay county. In Springfield Va I would be more cautious because you are in the area that drives that 6 per 100k and I bet your zip code is pretty bad. |
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Never take Fretwell's Advice on Corona Virus...
On Fri, 01 May 2020 11:43:20 -0400,
wrote: On Fri, 1 May 2020 05:37:28 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/30/2020 11:39 PM, wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 22:27:47 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 20:15:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/30/2020 7:28 PM, wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:45:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: Japanese island suffering second wave of coronavirus after lifting lockdown too early [The Telegraph] Julian Ryall ,The Telegraph•April 29, 2020 A northern region of Japan is experiencing a second wave of coronavirus infections - and deaths - that experts say could have been avoided if the state of emergency had not been lifted too early. The island of Hokkaido had been held up as a model of how to control the spread of the virus, but it has now become a case study for the impact the disease can have if a lockdown is relaxed too soon. And experts say they hope that other cities and nations that are toying with the idea of lifting restrictions on travel, work and schools can learn from Hokkaido’s experience. Naomichi Suzuki, the prefectural governor, on February 29 declared a state of emergency in response to a sharp increase in coronavirus cases, all of which could be traced back to the Sapporo Snow Festival at the beginning of the month. The annual event attracted more than 2 million people to the city, with local health authorities treating a Chinese tourist from Wuhan who had contracted the illness before arriving in Hokkaido. Despite the state of emergency, 118 people were being treated for the virus by March 12, making Hokkaido the worst-hit of all Japan’s 47 prefectures. In tandem with the state of emergency - under which schools were closed, large-scale gatherings were cancelled and people were officially “encouraged” to stay at home - the local government introduced aggressive measures to trace and isolate anyone who had been in contact with victims. The approach appeared to have been effective and, just a week later, the number of new cases had fallen to one or two a day. Assuming that they had weathered the storm - and keen to get the local economy operating again - local authorities lifted the state of emergency on March 19, with schools and businesses reopening. With hindsight, experts agree, it was too early and, just 26 days later and after 135 new infections were reported in the space of a week, the lockdown was reimposed on Hokkaido’s 5.3 million residents. With the exception of infections brought to us from New York and on Cruise ships in two counties, we never had the first wave. Hospitals were never stressed. We have 6000 unused ventilators, ICU beds are 38% empty, far lower than the hospital needs to pay for them. Our per capita infection rate in my county is lower than yours. The things they are reopening are not any more dangerous than the things that never closed. As the guy in the shoe store said tonight on the news "why is it more dangerous to be in my shoe store with 3 customers than it is to buy shoes in Walmart with 500 customers"? I notice you don't like to talk about Sweden. They had more cases than Norway or Denmark but they are about over this mess and they will be done with it, not waiting for the wave when people come out of their basement. They also don't have that mass unemployment, business failures and suffering that brings you such joy. Greg, when it comes to tiki bars, modified generators, networking a bunch of obsolete computers or building bridges in a swamp, I will always defer to your expertise. :-) But when it comes to managing a world-wide pandemic that is still expanding globally as well as in the USA, I think I'll listen to the recommendations of the experts. The data is interesting to read for sure, but the jury is still out on this one. Data says this is a city disease, mostly affecting people of color but nobody is allowed to say that. You could almost say it was democrat disease tho if you just laid the top 10 states for covid over a list of the states that voted for Hillary ;-) === It turns out that there is some evidence that infection rates are higher in places that have air pollution issues. Those are usually urban population centers of course. That's one thing great about Florida. Air pollution is almost non-existent. === That's true unless you live along the I-95 corridor. Even there the daily sea breeze helps to keep the air freshened up. You only need to look at the places where EPA required auto pollution testing. (now gone) Basically Miami to Palm beach, Orlando, Tampa/St Pete and maybe Jacksonville. The rest of the state is pretty clean. It was enough so that the overall rate got us out from under EPA mandated testing. |
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Never take Fretwell's Advice on Corona Virus...
On Fri, 01 May 2020 14:37:16 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 01 May 2020 08:10:49 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 22:24:20 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 19:52:01 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 19:28:13 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:45:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: Japanese island suffering second wave of coronavirus after lifting lockdown too early [The Telegraph] Julian Ryall ,The Telegraph•April 29, 2020 A northern region of Japan is experiencing a second wave of coronavirus infections - and deaths - that experts say could have been avoided if the state of emergency had not been lifted too early. The island of Hokkaido had been held up as a model of how to control the spread of the virus, but it has now become a case study for the impact the disease can have if a lockdown is relaxed too soon. And experts say they hope that other cities and nations that are toying with the idea of lifting restrictions on travel, work and schools can learn from Hokkaido’s experience. Naomichi Suzuki, the prefectural governor, on February 29 declared a state of emergency in response to a sharp increase in coronavirus cases, all of which could be traced back to the Sapporo Snow Festival at the beginning of the month. The annual event attracted more than 2 million people to the city, with local health authorities treating a Chinese tourist from Wuhan who had contracted the illness before arriving in Hokkaido. Despite the state of emergency, 118 people were being treated for the virus by March 12, making Hokkaido the worst-hit of all Japan’s 47 prefectures. In tandem with the state of emergency - under which schools were closed, large-scale gatherings were cancelled and people were officially “encouraged” to stay at home - the local government introduced aggressive measures to trace and isolate anyone who had been in contact with victims. The approach appeared to have been effective and, just a week later, the number of new cases had fallen to one or two a day. Assuming that they had weathered the storm - and keen to get the local economy operating again - local authorities lifted the state of emergency on March 19, with schools and businesses reopening. With hindsight, experts agree, it was too early and, just 26 days later and after 135 new infections were reported in the space of a week, the lockdown was reimposed on Hokkaido’s 5.3 million residents. With the exception of infections brought to us from New York and on Cruise ships in two counties, we never had the first wave. Hospitals were never stressed. We have 6000 unused ventilators, ICU beds are 38% empty, far lower than the hospital needs to pay for them. Our per capita infection rate in my county is lower than yours. The things they are reopening are not any more dangerous than the things that never closed. As the guy in the shoe store said tonight on the news "why is it more dangerous to be in my shoe store with 3 customers than it is to buy shoes in Walmart with 500 customers"? I notice you don't like to talk about Sweden. They had more cases than Norway or Denmark but they are about over this mess and they will be done with it, not waiting for the wave when people come out of their basement. They also don't have that mass unemployment, business failures and suffering that brings you such joy. And their death rate is much higher than ours. If I believe the scare mongers, our death rate will spike when we lift the house arrest edict. Even so their death rate is 26 per 100,000. Ours is 18 per 100,000 but we have to include a lot of states with very low infection rates in that. If you take the Acela corridor (with a similar population density) we are a whole lot worse. Sweden has a lot of open space also. And, I referred to the death rate, not the infection rate. That was the death rate Swe 26/100k USA 18/100k New York state also has a lot of open space and they are 126/100k Mass is 52/100k, Md is 19/100k, Il is 19/100k Va is 6/100k and Florida is 6/100k. In all of those states, the farther you get from the big city, the lower the rate is. For example outside of Miami/Ft Lauderdale/Palm Beach, Florida is 1.9/100k. Mass is being driven by Boston. I doubt Richard is in a lot of danger nor is Tim in Clay county. In Springfield Va I would be more cautious because you are in the area that drives that 6 per 100k and I bet your zip code is pretty bad. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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Never take Fretwell's Advice on Corona Virus...
On 5/1/2020 5:00 PM, John wrote:
On Fri, 01 May 2020 14:37:16 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 01 May 2020 08:10:49 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 22:24:20 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 19:52:01 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 19:28:13 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:45:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: Japanese island suffering second wave of coronavirus after lifting lockdown too early [The Telegraph] Julian Ryall ,The Telegraph•April 29, 2020 A northern region of Japan is experiencing a second wave of coronavirus infections - and deaths - that experts say could have been avoided if the state of emergency had not been lifted too early. The island of Hokkaido had been held up as a model of how to control the spread of the virus, but it has now become a case study for the impact the disease can have if a lockdown is relaxed too soon. And experts say they hope that other cities and nations that are toying with the idea of lifting restrictions on travel, work and schools can learn from Hokkaido’s experience. Naomichi Suzuki, the prefectural governor, on February 29 declared a state of emergency in response to a sharp increase in coronavirus cases, all of which could be traced back to the Sapporo Snow Festival at the beginning of the month. The annual event attracted more than 2 million people to the city, with local health authorities treating a Chinese tourist from Wuhan who had contracted the illness before arriving in Hokkaido. Despite the state of emergency, 118 people were being treated for the virus by March 12, making Hokkaido the worst-hit of all Japan’s 47 prefectures. In tandem with the state of emergency - under which schools were closed, large-scale gatherings were cancelled and people were officially “encouraged” to stay at home - the local government introduced aggressive measures to trace and isolate anyone who had been in contact with victims. The approach appeared to have been effective and, just a week later, the number of new cases had fallen to one or two a day. Assuming that they had weathered the storm - and keen to get the local economy operating again - local authorities lifted the state of emergency on March 19, with schools and businesses reopening. With hindsight, experts agree, it was too early and, just 26 days later and after 135 new infections were reported in the space of a week, the lockdown was reimposed on Hokkaido’s 5.3 million residents. With the exception of infections brought to us from New York and on Cruise ships in two counties, we never had the first wave. Hospitals were never stressed. We have 6000 unused ventilators, ICU beds are 38% empty, far lower than the hospital needs to pay for them. Our per capita infection rate in my county is lower than yours. The things they are reopening are not any more dangerous than the things that never closed. As the guy in the shoe store said tonight on the news "why is it more dangerous to be in my shoe store with 3 customers than it is to buy shoes in Walmart with 500 customers"? I notice you don't like to talk about Sweden. They had more cases than Norway or Denmark but they are about over this mess and they will be done with it, not waiting for the wave when people come out of their basement. They also don't have that mass unemployment, business failures and suffering that brings you such joy. And their death rate is much higher than ours. If I believe the scare mongers, our death rate will spike when we lift the house arrest edict. Even so their death rate is 26 per 100,000. Ours is 18 per 100,000 but we have to include a lot of states with very low infection rates in that. If you take the Acela corridor (with a similar population density) we are a whole lot worse. Sweden has a lot of open space also. And, I referred to the death rate, not the infection rate. That was the death rate Swe 26/100k USA 18/100k New York state also has a lot of open space and they are 126/100k Mass is 52/100k, Md is 19/100k, Il is 19/100k Va is 6/100k and Florida is 6/100k. In all of those states, the farther you get from the big city, the lower the rate is. For example outside of Miami/Ft Lauderdale/Palm Beach, Florida is 1.9/100k. Mass is being driven by Boston. I doubt Richard is in a lot of danger nor is Tim in Clay county. In Springfield Va I would be more cautious because you are in the area that drives that 6 per 100k and I bet your zip code is pretty bad. According to the Board of Health in the town we are in, the spread of cases affecting Plymouth County is from Brockton, MA and not so much Boston. Brockton is on the far edge of Plymouth County, very close to where Bristle County starts. The town Board of Health says most of the cases in our town have been traced to Brockton, it's large Haitian Community and the Nursing homes. Our town only has just under 12,000 people. Today they announced the 20th confirmed case in the town and, unfortunately, the first death. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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Never take Fretwell's Advice on Corona Virus...
On Fri, 1 May 2020 18:30:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 5/1/2020 5:00 PM, John wrote: On Fri, 01 May 2020 14:37:16 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 01 May 2020 08:10:49 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 22:24:20 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 19:52:01 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 19:28:13 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:45:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: Japanese island suffering second wave of coronavirus after lifting lockdown too early [The Telegraph] Julian Ryall ,The Telegraph•April 29, 2020 A northern region of Japan is experiencing a second wave of coronavirus infections - and deaths - that experts say could have been avoided if the state of emergency had not been lifted too early. The island of Hokkaido had been held up as a model of how to control the spread of the virus, but it has now become a case study for the impact the disease can have if a lockdown is relaxed too soon. And experts say they hope that other cities and nations that are toying with the idea of lifting restrictions on travel, work and schools can learn from Hokkaido’s experience. Naomichi Suzuki, the prefectural governor, on February 29 declared a state of emergency in response to a sharp increase in coronavirus cases, all of which could be traced back to the Sapporo Snow Festival at the beginning of the month. The annual event attracted more than 2 million people to the city, with local health authorities treating a Chinese tourist from Wuhan who had contracted the illness before arriving in Hokkaido. Despite the state of emergency, 118 people were being treated for the virus by March 12, making Hokkaido the worst-hit of all Japan’s 47 prefectures. In tandem with the state of emergency - under which schools were closed, large-scale gatherings were cancelled and people were officially “encouraged” to stay at home - the local government introduced aggressive measures to trace and isolate anyone who had been in contact with victims. The approach appeared to have been effective and, just a week later, the number of new cases had fallen to one or two a day. Assuming that they had weathered the storm - and keen to get the local economy operating again - local authorities lifted the state of emergency on March 19, with schools and businesses reopening. With hindsight, experts agree, it was too early and, just 26 days later and after 135 new infections were reported in the space of a week, the lockdown was reimposed on Hokkaido’s 5.3 million residents. With the exception of infections brought to us from New York and on Cruise ships in two counties, we never had the first wave. Hospitals were never stressed. We have 6000 unused ventilators, ICU beds are 38% empty, far lower than the hospital needs to pay for them. Our per capita infection rate in my county is lower than yours. The things they are reopening are not any more dangerous than the things that never closed. As the guy in the shoe store said tonight on the news "why is it more dangerous to be in my shoe store with 3 customers than it is to buy shoes in Walmart with 500 customers"? I notice you don't like to talk about Sweden. They had more cases than Norway or Denmark but they are about over this mess and they will be done with it, not waiting for the wave when people come out of their basement. They also don't have that mass unemployment, business failures and suffering that brings you such joy. And their death rate is much higher than ours. If I believe the scare mongers, our death rate will spike when we lift the house arrest edict. Even so their death rate is 26 per 100,000. Ours is 18 per 100,000 but we have to include a lot of states with very low infection rates in that. If you take the Acela corridor (with a similar population density) we are a whole lot worse. Sweden has a lot of open space also. And, I referred to the death rate, not the infection rate. That was the death rate Swe 26/100k USA 18/100k New York state also has a lot of open space and they are 126/100k Mass is 52/100k, Md is 19/100k, Il is 19/100k Va is 6/100k and Florida is 6/100k. In all of those states, the farther you get from the big city, the lower the rate is. For example outside of Miami/Ft Lauderdale/Palm Beach, Florida is 1.9/100k. Mass is being driven by Boston. I doubt Richard is in a lot of danger nor is Tim in Clay county. In Springfield Va I would be more cautious because you are in the area that drives that 6 per 100k and I bet your zip code is pretty bad. According to the Board of Health in the town we are in, the spread of cases affecting Plymouth County is from Brockton, MA and not so much Boston. Brockton is on the far edge of Plymouth County, very close to where Bristle County starts. The town Board of Health says most of the cases in our town have been traced to Brockton, it's large Haitian Community and the Nursing homes. I was really talking about the whole state when I said the numbers are driven by Boston. Our town only has just under 12,000 people. Today they announced the 20th confirmed case in the town and, unfortunately, the first death. We have twice as many cases in Estero and 3 times the population. |
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