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My governor isn’t king..
And just found that out by losing a law suit against down state representative Darren bailey.
Pritzker is finding that he’s not as well loved as he thought he was. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ports/2262560/ |
My governor isn’t king..
On 4/28/20 8:08 AM, Tim wrote:
And just found that out by losing a law suit against down state representative Darren bailey. Pritzker is finding that he’s not as well loved as he thought he was. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ports/2262560/ If society is lucky, Bailey will contract COVID-19, infect a number of similar non-thinkers, and they'll all die, improving the gene pool. Perhaps you should invite them all over for a cookout, Tim. Jesus will protect you from harm, right? -- MAGA - Manipulating America's Gullible Assholes |
My governor isn’t king..
I pray with the man weekly, his office is just 9 miles from me.
But you’ll like this article about one of your Union buddies. https://edgarcountywatchdogs.com/202...iley-and-ecwd/ Keyser Soze - show quoted text - If society is lucky, Bailey will contract COVID-19, infect a number of similar non-thinkers, and they'll all die, improving the gene pool. Perhaps you should invite them all over for a cookout, Tim. Jesus will protect you from harm, right? |
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On 4/28/20 8:32 AM, Tim wrote:
I pray with the man weekly, his office is just 9 miles from me. But you’ll like this article about one of your Union buddies. https://edgarcountywatchdogs.com/202...iley-and-ecwd/ Keyser Soze - show quoted text - If society is lucky, Bailey will contract COVID-19, infect a number of similar non-thinkers, and they'll all die, improving the gene pool. Perhaps you should invite them all over for a cookout, Tim. Jesus will protect you from harm, right? Prayer ain't gonna protect you or Bailey from COVID-19. -- MAGA - Manipulating America's Gullible Assholes |
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On 4/28/2020 8:08 AM, Tim wrote:
And just found that out by losing a law suit against down state representative Darren bailey. Pritzker is finding that he’s not as well loved as he thought he was. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ports/2262560/ Some of this stuff is getting a little out of hand, IMO. Our town just issued an "order" requiring everybody over 2 years old to wear a mask when going to an "essential" store ... grocery, convenience, gas stations, home improvement outlets, etc. Failure to obey can result in fines. The town's order also says you can't use N-95 or surgical type masks. You are required to use a cloth mask that I guess you are supposed to make yourself. I had dug up half a box of "procedural" masks that I bought about 3 years ago at CVS for use when mowing the lawn. Now the town says I can't use them because a procedural mask is considered a surgical mask. I have no problem with cooperating with this but it's not necessary to issue an "order" enforceable with fines. Wearing a mask is a commonsense courtesy to others. It doesn't protect *you* ... it protects others if you are in close proximity and you sneeze or cough. When this whole thing started the public was asked to voluntarily practice social distancing and limiting contact with others. For us old farts, we were asked to voluntarily go into hibernation. The whole purpose of this was to "flatten the curve" to prevent hospitals from becoming overwhelmed with covid-19 cases. That's all. The public voluntarily responded and hospitals were never overwhelmed even in places like NY and NYC. In fact, many now have empty beds and hospitals are laying off medical staff. We need to resist having local state governments issuing "orders" enforceable by fines, especially when the voluntary efforts of the public are working. Slippery-slope kind of thing. All we need to do is to continue applying commonsense. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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Nobody said it would. It’s all up to God.
Matthew 6:10. “Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven...” 7:45 AMKeyser Soze - show quoted text - Prayer ain't gonna protect you or Bailey from COVID-19. - show quoted text - |
My governor isn+IBk-t king..
Tim Wrote in message:
I pray with the man weekly, his office is just 9 miles from me.But you+IBk-ll like this article about one of your Union buddies.https://edgarcountywatchdogs.com/202...nd-ecwd/Keyser Soze- show quoted text -If society is lucky, Bailey will contract COVID-19, infect a number of similar non-thinkers, and they'll all die, improving the gene pool. Perhaps you should invite them all over for a cookout, Tim. Jesus will protect you from harm, right? Spero and Krause,,two peas in a pod. Classy guys both. -- .. ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 4/28/20 8:50 AM, Tim wrote:
Nobody said it would. It’s all up to God. Matthew 6:10. “Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven...” 7:45 AMKeyser Soze - show quoted text - Prayer ain't gonna protect you or Bailey from COVID-19. - show quoted text - Well, if you believe that, your god doesn't give a ****. -- MAGA - Manipulating America's Gullible Assholes |
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You wouldn’t know
Keyser Soze - show quoted text - Well, if you believe that, your god doesn't give a ****. - show quoted text - |
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On 4/28/2020 8:53 AM, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
Tim Wrote in message: I pray with the man weekly, his office is just 9 miles from me.But you’ll like this article about one of your Union buddies.https://edgarcountywatchdogs.com/202...nd-ecwd/Keyser Soze- show quoted text -If society is lucky, Bailey will contract COVID-19, infect a number of similar non-thinkers, and they'll all die, improving the gene pool. Perhaps you should invite them all over for a cookout, Tim. Jesus will protect you from harm, right? Spero and Krause,,two peas in a pod. Classy guys both. Like Nomen, the "other" newsgroup troll here never misses an opportunity to insult the beliefs of others. Sad -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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Classy to see you think that way.
Wishing desease and death on others. Keyser Soze - show quoted text - If society is lucky, Bailey will contract COVID-19, infect a number of similar non-thinkers, and they'll all die, improving the gene pool. |
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Wel, Richard you are right. But consider that’s about one the only *talents* he has...
Mr. Luddite - show quoted text - Like Nomen, the "other" newsgroup troll here never misses an opportunity to insult the beliefs of others. Sad |
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On 4/28/2020 9:06 AM, Tim wrote:
Classy to see you think that way. Wishing desease and death on others. Keyser Soze - show quoted text - If society is lucky, Bailey will contract COVID-19, infect a number of similar non-thinkers, and they'll all die, improving the gene pool. Once you realize he's nothing but a troll, it all makes sense. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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And it makes you wonder what goes on inside that pod.
Eh, best not... Justan Ohlphart Tim Wrote in message: I pray with the man weekly, his office is just 9 miles from me.But you’ll like this article about one of your Union buddies.https://edgarcountywatchdogs.com/202...nd-ecwd/Keyser Soze- show quoted text -If society is lucky, Bailey will contract COVID-19, infect a number of similar non-thinkers, and they'll all die, improving the gene pool. Perhaps you should invite them all over for a cookout, Tim. Jesus will protect you from harm, right? Spero and Krause,,two peas in a pod. Classy guys both. -- |
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On 4/28/2020 9:11 AM, Tim wrote:
And it makes you wonder what goes on inside that pod. Eh, best not... Justan Ohlphart Tim Wrote in message: I pray with the man weekly, his office is just 9 miles from me.But you’ll like this article about one of your Union buddies.https://edgarcountywatchdogs.com/202...nd-ecwd/Keyser Soze- show quoted text -If society is lucky, Bailey will contract COVID-19, infect a number of similar non-thinkers, and they'll all die, improving the gene pool. Perhaps you should invite them all over for a cookout, Tim. Jesus will protect you from harm, right? Spero and Krause,,two peas in a pod. Classy guys both. -- Harry and Nomen. Two peas in a pod. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 09:14:03 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 4/28/2020 9:11 AM, Tim wrote: And it makes you wonder what goes on inside that pod. Eh, best not... Justan Ohlphart Tim Wrote in message: I pray with the man weekly, his office is just 9 miles from me.But youll like this article about one of your Union buddies.https://edgarcountywatchdogs.com/202...nd-ecwd/Keyser Soze- show quoted text -If society is lucky, Bailey will contract COVID-19, infect a number of similar non-thinkers, and they'll all die, improving the gene pool. Perhaps you should invite them all over for a cookout, Tim. Jesus will protect you from harm, right? Spero and Krause,,two peas in a pod. Classy guys both. -- Harry and Nomen. Two peas in a pod. Both as worthless as tits on a boar hog. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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I think they’re one in the same.
Mr. Luddite - hide quoted text - On 4/28/2020 9:11 AM, Tim wrote: And it makes you wonder what goes on inside that pod. Eh, best not... Justan Ohlphart Tim Wrote in message: I pray with the man weekly, his office is just 9 miles from me.But you’ll like this article about one of your Union buddies.https://edgarcountywatchdogs.com/202...nd-ecwd/Keyser Soze- show quoted text -If society is lucky, Bailey will contract COVID-19, infect a number of similar non-thinkers, and they'll all die, improving the gene pool.. Perhaps you should invite them all over for a cookout, Tim. Jesus will protect you from harm, right? Spero and Krause,,two peas in a pod. Classy guys both. -- Harry and Nomen. Two peas in a pod. - show quoted text - |
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 08:46:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: The town's order also says you can't use N-95 or surgical type masks. You are required to use a cloth mask that I guess you are supposed to make yourself. I had dug up half a box of "procedural" masks that I bought about 3 years ago at CVS for use when mowing the lawn. Now the town says I can't use them because a procedural mask is considered a surgical mask. === That's ridiculous. As they say, common sense is not that common. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 05:08:07 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: And just found that out by losing a law suit against down state representative Darren bailey. Pritzker is finding that hes not as well loved as he thought he was. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ports/2262560/ === It kind of demonstrates the difficulty of legislating "one size fits all" rules for a state that has both a high density urban area and a large low density rural area. What works for Clay County doesn't necessarily work for Chicago. New York has the same problem, as does Massachusetts. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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Like a friend of mine said:
“... your logic is flawed, but since it seems to make sense to you, I'll reply in like fashion. If the tornado is in Chicago I'm safe in leaving my home in Flora. And by going out of my house in Flora, it will not cause the tornado come to me.” Bye, Flora is only 7 mi from me. 100 mi Straight east from St. Louis Mo. I thought that was reasonable.. On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 05:08:07 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: And just found that out by losing a law suit against down state representative Darren bailey. Pritzker is finding that he’s not as well loved as he thought he was. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ports/2262560/ === It kind of demonstrates the difficulty of legislating "one size fits all" rules for a state that has both a high density urban area and a large low density rural area. What works for Clay County doesn't necessarily work for Chicago. New York has the same problem, as does Massachusetts. - show quoted text - |
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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 4/28/20 8:08 AM, Tim wrote: And just found that out by losing a law suit against down state representative Darren bailey. Pritzker is finding that he’s not as well loved as he thought he was. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ports/2262560/ If society is lucky, Bailey will contract COVID-19, infect a number of similar non-thinkers, and they'll all die, improving the gene pool. Perhaps you should invite them all over for a cookout, Tim. Jesus will protect you from harm, right? Maybe the governor’s will also croak. Gov. Newsom gave a $billion dollar contract to a Chinese company for masks. 2 million masks a week, paid $500 million up front. Our money. We still have not seen any masks, He going to reimburse the tax payers? Hands out tons of executive orders. Since he declar3d a state emergency and the legislature can not meet, seems to be legal. Stupid, but legal. |
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Justan Ohlphart wrote:
Tim Wrote in message: I pray with the man weekly, his office is just 9 miles from me.But you’ll like this article about one of your Union buddies.https://edgarcountywatchdogs.com/202...nd-ecwd/Keyser Soze- show quoted text -If society is lucky, Bailey will contract COVID-19, infect a number of similar non-thinkers, and they'll all die, improving the gene pool. Perhaps you should invite them all over for a cookout, Tim. Jesus will protect you from harm, right? Spero and Krause,,two peas in a pod. Classy guys both. A union thing. |
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On 4/28/20 1:29 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/28/20 8:08 AM, Tim wrote: And just found that out by losing a law suit against down state representative Darren bailey. Pritzker is finding that he’s not as well loved as he thought he was. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ports/2262560/ If society is lucky, Bailey will contract COVID-19, infect a number of similar non-thinkers, and they'll all die, improving the gene pool. Perhaps you should invite them all over for a cookout, Tim. Jesus will protect you from harm, right? Maybe the governor’s will also croak. Gov. Newsom gave a $billion dollar contract to a Chinese company for masks. 2 million masks a week, paid $500 million up front. Our money. We still have not seen any masks, He going to reimburse the tax payers? Hands out tons of executive orders. Since he declar3d a state emergency and the legislature can not meet, seems to be legal. Stupid, but legal. According to the most recent polls, some 83% of Californians approve of the way Newsom is handling COVID-19 crisis in your state. https://53eig.ht/2RFbA5x But less than half of Americans approve of the way Trump is handling the crisis. -- MAGA - Manipulating America's Gullible Assholes |
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On 4/28/20 1:29 PM, Bill wrote:
Justan Ohlphart wrote: Tim Wrote in message: I pray with the man weekly, his office is just 9 miles from me.But you’ll like this article about one of your Union buddies.https://edgarcountywatchdogs.com/202...nd-ecwd/Keyser Soze- show quoted text -If society is lucky, Bailey will contract COVID-19, infect a number of similar non-thinkers, and they'll all die, improving the gene pool. Perhaps you should invite them all over for a cookout, Tim. Jesus will protect you from harm, right? Spero and Krause,,two peas in a pod. Classy guys both. A union thing. I like Spero's quote...almost, but not quite as good as, Trump's quote about grabbing pussy. "He left us a message to “tell Rep Darren Bailey to go **** himself, and **** you for printin’ it.“ Direct. -- MAGA - Manipulating America's Gullible Assholes |
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Bill Wrote in message:
Justan Ohlphart wrote: Tim Wrote in message: I pray with the man weekly, his office is just 9 miles from me.But you+IBk-ll like this article about one of your Union buddies.https://edgarcountywatchdogs.com/2020/04/ibew-local-134-political-director-jeff-spero-leaves-vulgar-voice-message-for-rep-darren-bailey-and-ecwd/Keyser Soze- show quoted text -If society is lucky, Bailey will contract COVID-19, infect a number of similar non-thinkers, and they'll all die, improving the gene pool. Perhaps you should invite them all over for a cookout, Tim. Jesus will protect you from harm, right? Spero and Krause,,two peas in a pod. Classy guys both.A union thing. I wouldn't think all union dude and dudettes are as dumb and classless as those two. -- .. ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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That’s nice... yep. 2 peas in the pod...
Keyser Soze On 4/28/20 1:29 PM, Bill wrote: - show quoted text - I like Spero's quote...almost, but not quite as good as, Trump's quote about grabbing pussy. "He left us a message to “tell Rep Darren Bailey to go **** himself, and **** you for printin’ it.“ Direct. |
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On 4/28/2020 1:29 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/28/20 8:08 AM, Tim wrote: And just found that out by losing a law suit against down state representative Darren bailey. Pritzker is finding that he’s not as well loved as he thought he was. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ports/2262560/ If society is lucky, Bailey will contract COVID-19, infect a number of similar non-thinkers, and they'll all die, improving the gene pool. Perhaps you should invite them all over for a cookout, Tim. Jesus will protect you from harm, right? Maybe the governor’s will also croak. Gov. Newsom gave a $billion dollar contract to a Chinese company for masks. 2 million masks a week, paid $500 million up front. Our money. We still have not seen any masks, He going to reimburse the tax payers? Hands out tons of executive orders. Since he declar3d a state emergency and the legislature can not meet, seems to be legal. Stupid, but legal. Probably ordered them through Amazon.com. I was looking at some of the offers for masks on the Amazon site. Made in China and earliest delivery if you ordered today would be sometime in June. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 08:18:51 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 4/28/20 8:08 AM, Tim wrote: And just found that out by losing a law suit against down state representative Darren bailey. Pritzker is finding that he’s not as well loved as he thought he was. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ports/2262560/ If society is lucky, Bailey will contract COVID-19, infect a number of similar non-thinkers, and they'll all die, improving the gene pool. Perhaps you should invite them all over for a cookout, Tim. Jesus will protect you from harm, right? Or he could be asymptomatic like the 2.7 million New Yorkers Cuomo's testing seems to indicate. |
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 05:32:32 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: I pray with the man weekly, his office is just 9 miles from me. But you’ll like this article about one of your Union buddies. https://edgarcountywatchdogs.com/202...iley-and-ecwd/ I doubt many of Spero's electricians have been laid off and even if they were the union would make sure they got paid. Around here the trades are looking for people because they are busier than ever. The strange thing is the fear mongers want to say we flattened the curve by being locked down but at least half of the work force is still working and were never locked down, nor were their customers but the infection rate is not reflecting that the way it was portrayed When I am out, I drive by a lot of closed boutique stores and salons that I have never been in anyway but I see the same number of "tradesmen" trucks on the road and all of the stores I normally go to are open, doing a brisk business. Construction seems to be booming. That stuff never stopped or only paused a little to see how it was going to go and started back up again. OTOH if you live in server world or you own something like a flower store, you are screwed. It turns out, as usual, the government help is so bogged down in red tape, the only people who can get to the money are big corporations with a staff that is used to dealing with the bureaucracy and already have a line of credit with the banks. Most little businesses have just given up trying. |
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 08:46:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 4/28/2020 8:08 AM, Tim wrote: And just found that out by losing a law suit against down state representative Darren bailey. Pritzker is finding that he’s not as well loved as he thought he was. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ports/2262560/ Some of this stuff is getting a little out of hand, IMO. Our town just issued an "order" requiring everybody over 2 years old to wear a mask when going to an "essential" store ... grocery, convenience, gas stations, home improvement outlets, etc. Failure to obey can result in fines. The town's order also says you can't use N-95 or surgical type masks. You are required to use a cloth mask that I guess you are supposed to make yourself. I had dug up half a box of "procedural" masks that I bought about 3 years ago at CVS for use when mowing the lawn. Now the town says I can't use them because a procedural mask is considered a surgical mask. I have no problem with cooperating with this but it's not necessary to issue an "order" enforceable with fines. Wearing a mask is a commonsense courtesy to others. It doesn't protect *you* ... it protects others if you are in close proximity and you sneeze or cough. When this whole thing started the public was asked to voluntarily practice social distancing and limiting contact with others. For us old farts, we were asked to voluntarily go into hibernation. The whole purpose of this was to "flatten the curve" to prevent hospitals from becoming overwhelmed with covid-19 cases. That's all. The public voluntarily responded and hospitals were never overwhelmed even in places like NY and NYC. In fact, many now have empty beds and hospitals are laying off medical staff. We need to resist having local state governments issuing "orders" enforceable by fines, especially when the voluntary efforts of the public are working. Slippery-slope kind of thing. All we need to do is to continue applying commonsense. I am waiting to see a whole class of Covid related charges tossed as soon as they get to court. The mask thing will probably go first because there is absolutely zero proof the bandanna mask does anything. Even Fauci started out saying that and then I imagine he was prodded into saying they *might* help. How are you going to tell thousands of "Nannas" that they are wasting their time making masks. I bet you don't see medical professionals wearing a home made mask. Just think about it a minute. This is a porous material that you are breathing through so it is collecting saliva. For an employee in a store that is for hours. It is probably soaking wet. (I know my N-95s won't last an hour in the shop until they are soaked). Now I have this wet rag on my face, collecting all of my germs along with any other germs that were in the air. There is zero filtering capability for anything much bigger than 50-60 microns, even if the rag is dry, wet it is a conduit. (Covid is 0.3 microns) I am breathing the contamination in and if I sneeze, the germs are going for a ride, infecting anyone or anything within range. How is that helping anything. All of that assumes you handle the mask properly and it doesn't become a worse vector when you take it off and shove it in your pocket. |
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 17:11:05 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 08:46:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/28/2020 8:08 AM, Tim wrote: And just found that out by losing a law suit against down state representative Darren bailey. Pritzker is finding that hes not as well loved as he thought he was. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ports/2262560/ Some of this stuff is getting a little out of hand, IMO. Our town just issued an "order" requiring everybody over 2 years old to wear a mask when going to an "essential" store ... grocery, convenience, gas stations, home improvement outlets, etc. Failure to obey can result in fines. The town's order also says you can't use N-95 or surgical type masks. You are required to use a cloth mask that I guess you are supposed to make yourself. I had dug up half a box of "procedural" masks that I bought about 3 years ago at CVS for use when mowing the lawn. Now the town says I can't use them because a procedural mask is considered a surgical mask. I have no problem with cooperating with this but it's not necessary to issue an "order" enforceable with fines. Wearing a mask is a commonsense courtesy to others. It doesn't protect *you* ... it protects others if you are in close proximity and you sneeze or cough. When this whole thing started the public was asked to voluntarily practice social distancing and limiting contact with others. For us old farts, we were asked to voluntarily go into hibernation. The whole purpose of this was to "flatten the curve" to prevent hospitals from becoming overwhelmed with covid-19 cases. That's all. The public voluntarily responded and hospitals were never overwhelmed even in places like NY and NYC. In fact, many now have empty beds and hospitals are laying off medical staff. We need to resist having local state governments issuing "orders" enforceable by fines, especially when the voluntary efforts of the public are working. Slippery-slope kind of thing. All we need to do is to continue applying commonsense. I am waiting to see a whole class of Covid related charges tossed as soon as they get to court. The mask thing will probably go first because there is absolutely zero proof the bandanna mask does anything. Even Fauci started out saying that and then I imagine he was prodded into saying they *might* help. How are you going to tell thousands of "Nannas" that they are wasting their time making masks. I bet you don't see medical professionals wearing a home made mask. Just think about it a minute. This is a porous material that you are breathing through so it is collecting saliva. For an employee in a store that is for hours. It is probably soaking wet. (I know my N-95s won't last an hour in the shop until they are soaked). Now I have this wet rag on my face, collecting all of my germs along with any other germs that were in the air. There is zero filtering capability for anything much bigger than 50-60 microns, even if the rag is dry, wet it is a conduit. (Covid is 0.3 microns) I am breathing the contamination in and if I sneeze, the germs are going for a ride, infecting anyone or anything within range. How is that helping anything. All of that assumes you handle the mask properly and it doesn't become a worse vector when you take it off and shove it in your pocket. Try spitting through a mask. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 18:47:21 -0400, John wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 17:11:05 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 08:46:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/28/2020 8:08 AM, Tim wrote: And just found that out by losing a law suit against down state representative Darren bailey. Pritzker is finding that he’s not as well loved as he thought he was. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ports/2262560/ Some of this stuff is getting a little out of hand, IMO. Our town just issued an "order" requiring everybody over 2 years old to wear a mask when going to an "essential" store ... grocery, convenience, gas stations, home improvement outlets, etc. Failure to obey can result in fines. The town's order also says you can't use N-95 or surgical type masks. You are required to use a cloth mask that I guess you are supposed to make yourself. I had dug up half a box of "procedural" masks that I bought about 3 years ago at CVS for use when mowing the lawn. Now the town says I can't use them because a procedural mask is considered a surgical mask. I have no problem with cooperating with this but it's not necessary to issue an "order" enforceable with fines. Wearing a mask is a commonsense courtesy to others. It doesn't protect *you* ... it protects others if you are in close proximity and you sneeze or cough. When this whole thing started the public was asked to voluntarily practice social distancing and limiting contact with others. For us old farts, we were asked to voluntarily go into hibernation. The whole purpose of this was to "flatten the curve" to prevent hospitals from becoming overwhelmed with covid-19 cases. That's all. The public voluntarily responded and hospitals were never overwhelmed even in places like NY and NYC. In fact, many now have empty beds and hospitals are laying off medical staff. We need to resist having local state governments issuing "orders" enforceable by fines, especially when the voluntary efforts of the public are working. Slippery-slope kind of thing. All we need to do is to continue applying commonsense. I am waiting to see a whole class of Covid related charges tossed as soon as they get to court. The mask thing will probably go first because there is absolutely zero proof the bandanna mask does anything. Even Fauci started out saying that and then I imagine he was prodded into saying they *might* help. How are you going to tell thousands of "Nannas" that they are wasting their time making masks. I bet you don't see medical professionals wearing a home made mask. Just think about it a minute. This is a porous material that you are breathing through so it is collecting saliva. For an employee in a store that is for hours. It is probably soaking wet. (I know my N-95s won't last an hour in the shop until they are soaked). Now I have this wet rag on my face, collecting all of my germs along with any other germs that were in the air. There is zero filtering capability for anything much bigger than 50-60 microns, even if the rag is dry, wet it is a conduit. (Covid is 0.3 microns) I am breathing the contamination in and if I sneeze, the germs are going for a ride, infecting anyone or anything within range. How is that helping anything. All of that assumes you handle the mask properly and it doesn't become a worse vector when you take it off and shove it in your pocket. Try spitting through a mask. Put some food coloring on the mask and sneeze through it. Don't do it near anything expensive. |
My governor isnt king..
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 22:39:44 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 18:47:21 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 17:11:05 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 08:46:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/28/2020 8:08 AM, Tim wrote: And just found that out by losing a law suit against down state representative Darren bailey. Pritzker is finding that hes not as well loved as he thought he was. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ports/2262560/ Some of this stuff is getting a little out of hand, IMO. Our town just issued an "order" requiring everybody over 2 years old to wear a mask when going to an "essential" store ... grocery, convenience, gas stations, home improvement outlets, etc. Failure to obey can result in fines. The town's order also says you can't use N-95 or surgical type masks. You are required to use a cloth mask that I guess you are supposed to make yourself. I had dug up half a box of "procedural" masks that I bought about 3 years ago at CVS for use when mowing the lawn. Now the town says I can't use them because a procedural mask is considered a surgical mask. I have no problem with cooperating with this but it's not necessary to issue an "order" enforceable with fines. Wearing a mask is a commonsense courtesy to others. It doesn't protect *you* ... it protects others if you are in close proximity and you sneeze or cough. When this whole thing started the public was asked to voluntarily practice social distancing and limiting contact with others. For us old farts, we were asked to voluntarily go into hibernation. The whole purpose of this was to "flatten the curve" to prevent hospitals from becoming overwhelmed with covid-19 cases. That's all. The public voluntarily responded and hospitals were never overwhelmed even in places like NY and NYC. In fact, many now have empty beds and hospitals are laying off medical staff. We need to resist having local state governments issuing "orders" enforceable by fines, especially when the voluntary efforts of the public are working. Slippery-slope kind of thing. All we need to do is to continue applying commonsense. I am waiting to see a whole class of Covid related charges tossed as soon as they get to court. The mask thing will probably go first because there is absolutely zero proof the bandanna mask does anything. Even Fauci started out saying that and then I imagine he was prodded into saying they *might* help. How are you going to tell thousands of "Nannas" that they are wasting their time making masks. I bet you don't see medical professionals wearing a home made mask. Just think about it a minute. This is a porous material that you are breathing through so it is collecting saliva. For an employee in a store that is for hours. It is probably soaking wet. (I know my N-95s won't last an hour in the shop until they are soaked). Now I have this wet rag on my face, collecting all of my germs along with any other germs that were in the air. There is zero filtering capability for anything much bigger than 50-60 microns, even if the rag is dry, wet it is a conduit. (Covid is 0.3 microns) I am breathing the contamination in and if I sneeze, the germs are going for a ride, infecting anyone or anything within range. How is that helping anything. All of that assumes you handle the mask properly and it doesn't become a worse vector when you take it off and shove it in your pocket. Try spitting through a mask. Put some food coloring on the mask and sneeze through it. Don't do it near anything expensive. Wrong. Put the food coloring in your mouth. Then sneeze through it. Now do the same without the mask. Common sense rules. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
My governor isnt king..
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 09:31:28 -0400, John wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 22:39:44 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 18:47:21 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 17:11:05 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 08:46:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/28/2020 8:08 AM, Tim wrote: And just found that out by losing a law suit against down state representative Darren bailey. Pritzker is finding that he’s not as well loved as he thought he was. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ports/2262560/ Some of this stuff is getting a little out of hand, IMO. Our town just issued an "order" requiring everybody over 2 years old to wear a mask when going to an "essential" store ... grocery, convenience, gas stations, home improvement outlets, etc. Failure to obey can result in fines. The town's order also says you can't use N-95 or surgical type masks. You are required to use a cloth mask that I guess you are supposed to make yourself. I had dug up half a box of "procedural" masks that I bought about 3 years ago at CVS for use when mowing the lawn. Now the town says I can't use them because a procedural mask is considered a surgical mask. I have no problem with cooperating with this but it's not necessary to issue an "order" enforceable with fines. Wearing a mask is a commonsense courtesy to others. It doesn't protect *you* ... it protects others if you are in close proximity and you sneeze or cough. When this whole thing started the public was asked to voluntarily practice social distancing and limiting contact with others. For us old farts, we were asked to voluntarily go into hibernation. The whole purpose of this was to "flatten the curve" to prevent hospitals from becoming overwhelmed with covid-19 cases. That's all. The public voluntarily responded and hospitals were never overwhelmed even in places like NY and NYC. In fact, many now have empty beds and hospitals are laying off medical staff. We need to resist having local state governments issuing "orders" enforceable by fines, especially when the voluntary efforts of the public are working. Slippery-slope kind of thing. All we need to do is to continue applying commonsense. I am waiting to see a whole class of Covid related charges tossed as soon as they get to court. The mask thing will probably go first because there is absolutely zero proof the bandanna mask does anything. Even Fauci started out saying that and then I imagine he was prodded into saying they *might* help. How are you going to tell thousands of "Nannas" that they are wasting their time making masks. I bet you don't see medical professionals wearing a home made mask. Just think about it a minute. This is a porous material that you are breathing through so it is collecting saliva. For an employee in a store that is for hours. It is probably soaking wet. (I know my N-95s won't last an hour in the shop until they are soaked). Now I have this wet rag on my face, collecting all of my germs along with any other germs that were in the air. There is zero filtering capability for anything much bigger than 50-60 microns, even if the rag is dry, wet it is a conduit. (Covid is 0.3 microns) I am breathing the contamination in and if I sneeze, the germs are going for a ride, infecting anyone or anything within range. How is that helping anything. All of that assumes you handle the mask properly and it doesn't become a worse vector when you take it off and shove it in your pocket. Try spitting through a mask. Put some food coloring on the mask and sneeze through it. Don't do it near anything expensive. Wrong. Put the food coloring in your mouth. Then sneeze through it. Now do the same without the mask. Common sense rules. We are talking about what happens to the contamination ON and IN the mask when you sneeze through it., If you are wearing a mask for any length of time on a warm day it will be soaked with sweat, saliva and condensation. Now blow air through that. A T shirt is not going to stop anything. It might slow down the range a little but you are still contaminating any surface nearby and surface contamination seems to be the main vector for this disease. I probably have as much experience with masks, real N-95 masks, as anyone here, just because of the amount of grinding and spray painting I do. They are DONE in an hour or two. That is not anywhere close to the ineffective do rags people call a mask these days. I say again, wear your mask for an hour or so outside (until it gets pretty moist), spray a little food color solution on it, inside or out, it really doesn't make much difference, then blow air through it. See what comes out. Next, what do you do with your mask when you take it off? Shove it in your pocket for next time? Throw it away? Same with your gloves if you go that far. Most of this crap is politically motivated feel good gestures having nothing to do with proper sanitation. My nurse relative says that. |
My governor isnt king..
wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 09:31:28 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 22:39:44 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 18:47:21 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 17:11:05 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 08:46:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/28/2020 8:08 AM, Tim wrote: And just found that out by losing a law suit against down state representative Darren bailey. Pritzker is finding that he’s not as well loved as he thought he was. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ports/2262560/ Some of this stuff is getting a little out of hand, IMO. Our town just issued an "order" requiring everybody over 2 years old to wear a mask when going to an "essential" store ... grocery, convenience, gas stations, home improvement outlets, etc. Failure to obey can result in fines. The town's order also says you can't use N-95 or surgical type masks. You are required to use a cloth mask that I guess you are supposed to make yourself. I had dug up half a box of "procedural" masks that I bought about 3 years ago at CVS for use when mowing the lawn. Now the town says I can't use them because a procedural mask is considered a surgical mask. I have no problem with cooperating with this but it's not necessary to issue an "order" enforceable with fines. Wearing a mask is a commonsense courtesy to others. It doesn't protect *you* ... it protects others if you are in close proximity and you sneeze or cough. When this whole thing started the public was asked to voluntarily practice social distancing and limiting contact with others. For us old farts, we were asked to voluntarily go into hibernation. The whole purpose of this was to "flatten the curve" to prevent hospitals from becoming overwhelmed with covid-19 cases. That's all. The public voluntarily responded and hospitals were never overwhelmed even in places like NY and NYC. In fact, many now have empty beds and hospitals are laying off medical staff. We need to resist having local state governments issuing "orders" enforceable by fines, especially when the voluntary efforts of the public are working. Slippery-slope kind of thing. All we need to do is to continue applying commonsense. I am waiting to see a whole class of Covid related charges tossed as soon as they get to court. The mask thing will probably go first because there is absolutely zero proof the bandanna mask does anything. Even Fauci started out saying that and then I imagine he was prodded into saying they *might* help. How are you going to tell thousands of "Nannas" that they are wasting their time making masks. I bet you don't see medical professionals wearing a home made mask. Just think about it a minute. This is a porous material that you are breathing through so it is collecting saliva. For an employee in a store that is for hours. It is probably soaking wet. (I know my N-95s won't last an hour in the shop until they are soaked). Now I have this wet rag on my face, collecting all of my germs along with any other germs that were in the air. There is zero filtering capability for anything much bigger than 50-60 microns, even if the rag is dry, wet it is a conduit. (Covid is 0.3 microns) I am breathing the contamination in and if I sneeze, the germs are going for a ride, infecting anyone or anything within range. How is that helping anything. All of that assumes you handle the mask properly and it doesn't become a worse vector when you take it off and shove it in your pocket. Try spitting through a mask. Put some food coloring on the mask and sneeze through it. Don't do it near anything expensive. Wrong. Put the food coloring in your mouth. Then sneeze through it. Now do the same without the mask. Common sense rules. We are talking about what happens to the contamination ON and IN the mask when you sneeze through it., If you are wearing a mask for any length of time on a warm day it will be soaked with sweat, saliva and condensation. Now blow air through that. A T shirt is not going to stop anything. It might slow down the range a little but you are still contaminating any surface nearby and surface contamination seems to be the main vector for this disease. I probably have as much experience with masks, real N-95 masks, as anyone here, just because of the amount of grinding and spray painting I do. They are DONE in an hour or two. That is not anywhere close to the ineffective do rags people call a mask these days. I say again, wear your mask for an hour or so outside (until it gets pretty moist), spray a little food color solution on it, inside or out, it really doesn't make much difference, then blow air through it. See what comes out. Next, what do you do with your mask when you take it off? Shove it in your pocket for next time? Throw it away? Same with your gloves if you go that far. Most of this crap is politically motivated feel good gestures having nothing to do with proper sanitation. My nurse relative says that. Maybe here our masks last longer. A really humid days 80%. Maybe fog. Normal is the 25-40% range. |
My governor isn’t king..
On 4/29/2020 1:41 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 09:31:28 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 22:39:44 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 18:47:21 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 17:11:05 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 08:46:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/28/2020 8:08 AM, Tim wrote: And just found that out by losing a law suit against down state representative Darren bailey. Pritzker is finding that he’s not as well loved as he thought he was. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ports/2262560/ Some of this stuff is getting a little out of hand, IMO. Our town just issued an "order" requiring everybody over 2 years old to wear a mask when going to an "essential" store ... grocery, convenience, gas stations, home improvement outlets, etc. Failure to obey can result in fines. The town's order also says you can't use N-95 or surgical type masks. You are required to use a cloth mask that I guess you are supposed to make yourself. I had dug up half a box of "procedural" masks that I bought about 3 years ago at CVS for use when mowing the lawn. Now the town says I can't use them because a procedural mask is considered a surgical mask. I have no problem with cooperating with this but it's not necessary to issue an "order" enforceable with fines. Wearing a mask is a commonsense courtesy to others. It doesn't protect *you* ... it protects others if you are in close proximity and you sneeze or cough. When this whole thing started the public was asked to voluntarily practice social distancing and limiting contact with others. For us old farts, we were asked to voluntarily go into hibernation. The whole purpose of this was to "flatten the curve" to prevent hospitals from becoming overwhelmed with covid-19 cases. That's all. The public voluntarily responded and hospitals were never overwhelmed even in places like NY and NYC. In fact, many now have empty beds and hospitals are laying off medical staff. We need to resist having local state governments issuing "orders" enforceable by fines, especially when the voluntary efforts of the public are working. Slippery-slope kind of thing. All we need to do is to continue applying commonsense. I am waiting to see a whole class of Covid related charges tossed as soon as they get to court. The mask thing will probably go first because there is absolutely zero proof the bandanna mask does anything. Even Fauci started out saying that and then I imagine he was prodded into saying they *might* help. How are you going to tell thousands of "Nannas" that they are wasting their time making masks. I bet you don't see medical professionals wearing a home made mask. Just think about it a minute. This is a porous material that you are breathing through so it is collecting saliva. For an employee in a store that is for hours. It is probably soaking wet. (I know my N-95s won't last an hour in the shop until they are soaked). Now I have this wet rag on my face, collecting all of my germs along with any other germs that were in the air. There is zero filtering capability for anything much bigger than 50-60 microns, even if the rag is dry, wet it is a conduit. (Covid is 0.3 microns) I am breathing the contamination in and if I sneeze, the germs are going for a ride, infecting anyone or anything within range. How is that helping anything. All of that assumes you handle the mask properly and it doesn't become a worse vector when you take it off and shove it in your pocket. Try spitting through a mask. Put some food coloring on the mask and sneeze through it. Don't do it near anything expensive. Wrong. Put the food coloring in your mouth. Then sneeze through it. Now do the same without the mask. Common sense rules. We are talking about what happens to the contamination ON and IN the mask when you sneeze through it., If you are wearing a mask for any length of time on a warm day it will be soaked with sweat, saliva and condensation. Now blow air through that. A T shirt is not going to stop anything. It might slow down the range a little but you are still contaminating any surface nearby and surface contamination seems to be the main vector for this disease. I probably have as much experience with masks, real N-95 masks, as anyone here, just because of the amount of grinding and spray painting I do. They are DONE in an hour or two. That is not anywhere close to the ineffective do rags people call a mask these days. I say again, wear your mask for an hour or so outside (until it gets pretty moist), spray a little food color solution on it, inside or out, it really doesn't make much difference, then blow air through it. See what comes out. Next, what do you do with your mask when you take it off? Shove it in your pocket for next time? Throw it away? Same with your gloves if you go that far. Most of this crap is politically motivated feel good gestures having nothing to do with proper sanitation. My nurse relative says that. Greg, I don't think the CDC or local governments think people are wearing a mask all day long and certainly not grinding or painting. The "order" is to wear one when going into a store for groceries or if stopping by your convenience store to pick up a loaf of bread. I have a few I keep in my truck. I put one on as requested just before I go into a store and take it off when I get back into the truck. One mask is good for two or three days using it like that. I have a large box of disposable gloves. I just trash them after every use. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
My governor isnt king..
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:41:11 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 09:31:28 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 22:39:44 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 18:47:21 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 17:11:05 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 08:46:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/28/2020 8:08 AM, Tim wrote: And just found that out by losing a law suit against down state representative Darren bailey. Pritzker is finding that hes not as well loved as he thought he was. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ports/2262560/ Some of this stuff is getting a little out of hand, IMO. Our town just issued an "order" requiring everybody over 2 years old to wear a mask when going to an "essential" store ... grocery, convenience, gas stations, home improvement outlets, etc. Failure to obey can result in fines. The town's order also says you can't use N-95 or surgical type masks. You are required to use a cloth mask that I guess you are supposed to make yourself. I had dug up half a box of "procedural" masks that I bought about 3 years ago at CVS for use when mowing the lawn. Now the town says I can't use them because a procedural mask is considered a surgical mask. I have no problem with cooperating with this but it's not necessary to issue an "order" enforceable with fines. Wearing a mask is a commonsense courtesy to others. It doesn't protect *you* ... it protects others if you are in close proximity and you sneeze or cough. When this whole thing started the public was asked to voluntarily practice social distancing and limiting contact with others. For us old farts, we were asked to voluntarily go into hibernation. The whole purpose of this was to "flatten the curve" to prevent hospitals from becoming overwhelmed with covid-19 cases. That's all. The public voluntarily responded and hospitals were never overwhelmed even in places like NY and NYC. In fact, many now have empty beds and hospitals are laying off medical staff. We need to resist having local state governments issuing "orders" enforceable by fines, especially when the voluntary efforts of the public are working. Slippery-slope kind of thing. All we need to do is to continue applying commonsense. I am waiting to see a whole class of Covid related charges tossed as soon as they get to court. The mask thing will probably go first because there is absolutely zero proof the bandanna mask does anything. Even Fauci started out saying that and then I imagine he was prodded into saying they *might* help. How are you going to tell thousands of "Nannas" that they are wasting their time making masks. I bet you don't see medical professionals wearing a home made mask. Just think about it a minute. This is a porous material that you are breathing through so it is collecting saliva. For an employee in a store that is for hours. It is probably soaking wet. (I know my N-95s won't last an hour in the shop until they are soaked). Now I have this wet rag on my face, collecting all of my germs along with any other germs that were in the air. There is zero filtering capability for anything much bigger than 50-60 microns, even if the rag is dry, wet it is a conduit. (Covid is 0.3 microns) I am breathing the contamination in and if I sneeze, the germs are going for a ride, infecting anyone or anything within range. How is that helping anything. All of that assumes you handle the mask properly and it doesn't become a worse vector when you take it off and shove it in your pocket. Try spitting through a mask. Put some food coloring on the mask and sneeze through it. Don't do it near anything expensive. Wrong. Put the food coloring in your mouth. Then sneeze through it. Now do the same without the mask. Common sense rules. We are talking about what happens to the contamination ON and IN the mask when you sneeze through it., If you are wearing a mask for any length of time on a warm day it will be soaked with sweat, saliva and condensation. Now blow air through that. A T shirt is not going to stop anything. It might slow down the range a little but you are still contaminating any surface nearby and surface contamination seems to be the main vector for this disease. So change the mask more often. The mask is to be worn when shopping or whatever, not all day. I went to Costco this morning. All were in masks. Maybe they wore them for a whole hour while shopping. No sweat, and I didn't spit in it. There may have been a bit of condensation. But, I'll guarantee that that if I had coughed or sneezed, much less 'contamination' would be spread than if I had no mask. I probably have as much experience with masks, real N-95 masks, as anyone here, just because of the amount of grinding and spray painting I do. They are DONE in an hour or two. That is not anywhere close to the ineffective do rags people call a mask these days. I say again, wear your mask for an hour or so outside (until it gets pretty moist), spray a little food color solution on it, inside or out, it really doesn't make much difference, then blow air through it. See what comes out. Wrong again. Put your food coloring in your mouth and then cough. Do it with and without the mask. See which allows the least food coloring to spew out. You need to get real. Next, what do you do with your mask when you take it off? Shove it in your pocket for next time? Throw it away? Same with your gloves if you go that far. Most of this crap is politically motivated feel good gestures having nothing to do with proper sanitation. My nurse relative says that. When I remove the mask it gets put in a dog poop bag and dumped in the washing machine. A little thinking goes a long way, Greg. The cloth masks (use a tightly woven sheet) are not N95 respirators. But to argue that they won't reduce the aerosol from a cough or sneeze is ridiculous - regardless of how much you've painted and sanded. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
My governor isn?t king..
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 18:02:42 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: wrote: On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 09:31:28 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 22:39:44 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 18:47:21 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 17:11:05 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 08:46:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/28/2020 8:08 AM, Tim wrote: And just found that out by losing a law suit against down state representative Darren bailey. Pritzker is finding that hes not as well loved as he thought he was. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ports/2262560/ Some of this stuff is getting a little out of hand, IMO. Our town just issued an "order" requiring everybody over 2 years old to wear a mask when going to an "essential" store ... grocery, convenience, gas stations, home improvement outlets, etc. Failure to obey can result in fines. The town's order also says you can't use N-95 or surgical type masks. You are required to use a cloth mask that I guess you are supposed to make yourself. I had dug up half a box of "procedural" masks that I bought about 3 years ago at CVS for use when mowing the lawn. Now the town says I can't use them because a procedural mask is considered a surgical mask. I have no problem with cooperating with this but it's not necessary to issue an "order" enforceable with fines. Wearing a mask is a commonsense courtesy to others. It doesn't protect *you* ... it protects others if you are in close proximity and you sneeze or cough. When this whole thing started the public was asked to voluntarily practice social distancing and limiting contact with others. For us old farts, we were asked to voluntarily go into hibernation. The whole purpose of this was to "flatten the curve" to prevent hospitals from becoming overwhelmed with covid-19 cases. That's all. The public voluntarily responded and hospitals were never overwhelmed even in places like NY and NYC. In fact, many now have empty beds and hospitals are laying off medical staff. We need to resist having local state governments issuing "orders" enforceable by fines, especially when the voluntary efforts of the public are working. Slippery-slope kind of thing. All we need to do is to continue applying commonsense. I am waiting to see a whole class of Covid related charges tossed as soon as they get to court. The mask thing will probably go first because there is absolutely zero proof the bandanna mask does anything. Even Fauci started out saying that and then I imagine he was prodded into saying they *might* help. How are you going to tell thousands of "Nannas" that they are wasting their time making masks. I bet you don't see medical professionals wearing a home made mask. Just think about it a minute. This is a porous material that you are breathing through so it is collecting saliva. For an employee in a store that is for hours. It is probably soaking wet. (I know my N-95s won't last an hour in the shop until they are soaked). Now I have this wet rag on my face, collecting all of my germs along with any other germs that were in the air. There is zero filtering capability for anything much bigger than 50-60 microns, even if the rag is dry, wet it is a conduit. (Covid is 0.3 microns) I am breathing the contamination in and if I sneeze, the germs are going for a ride, infecting anyone or anything within range. How is that helping anything. All of that assumes you handle the mask properly and it doesn't become a worse vector when you take it off and shove it in your pocket. Try spitting through a mask. Put some food coloring on the mask and sneeze through it. Don't do it near anything expensive. Wrong. Put the food coloring in your mouth. Then sneeze through it. Now do the same without the mask. Common sense rules. We are talking about what happens to the contamination ON and IN the mask when you sneeze through it., If you are wearing a mask for any length of time on a warm day it will be soaked with sweat, saliva and condensation. Now blow air through that. A T shirt is not going to stop anything. It might slow down the range a little but you are still contaminating any surface nearby and surface contamination seems to be the main vector for this disease. I probably have as much experience with masks, real N-95 masks, as anyone here, just because of the amount of grinding and spray painting I do. They are DONE in an hour or two. That is not anywhere close to the ineffective do rags people call a mask these days. I say again, wear your mask for an hour or so outside (until it gets pretty moist), spray a little food color solution on it, inside or out, it really doesn't make much difference, then blow air through it. See what comes out. Next, what do you do with your mask when you take it off? Shove it in your pocket for next time? Throw it away? Same with your gloves if you go that far. Most of this crap is politically motivated feel good gestures having nothing to do with proper sanitation. My nurse relative says that. Maybe here our masks last longer. A really humid days 80%. Maybe fog. Normal is the 25-40% range. Greg's just being argumentative. But then again, maybe he does fill up a mask with spit, sweat, and condensation in an hour shopping. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
My governor isn’t king..
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/29/2020 1:41 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 09:31:28 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 22:39:44 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 18:47:21 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 17:11:05 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 08:46:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/28/2020 8:08 AM, Tim wrote: And just found that out by losing a law suit against down state representative Darren bailey. Pritzker is finding that he’s not as well loved as he thought he was. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ports/2262560/ Some of this stuff is getting a little out of hand, IMO. Our town just issued an "order" requiring everybody over 2 years old to wear a mask when going to an "essential" store ... grocery, convenience, gas stations, home improvement outlets, etc. Failure to obey can result in fines. The town's order also says you can't use N-95 or surgical type masks. You are required to use a cloth mask that I guess you are supposed to make yourself. I had dug up half a box of "procedural" masks that I bought about 3 years ago at CVS for use when mowing the lawn. Now the town says I can't use them because a procedural mask is considered a surgical mask. I have no problem with cooperating with this but it's not necessary to issue an "order" enforceable with fines. Wearing a mask is a commonsense courtesy to others. It doesn't protect *you* ... it protects others if you are in close proximity and you sneeze or cough. When this whole thing started the public was asked to voluntarily practice social distancing and limiting contact with others. For us old farts, we were asked to voluntarily go into hibernation. The whole purpose of this was to "flatten the curve" to prevent hospitals from becoming overwhelmed with covid-19 cases. That's all. The public voluntarily responded and hospitals were never overwhelmed even in places like NY and NYC. In fact, many now have empty beds and hospitals are laying off medical staff. We need to resist having local state governments issuing "orders" enforceable by fines, especially when the voluntary efforts of the public are working. Slippery-slope kind of thing. All we need to do is to continue applying commonsense. I am waiting to see a whole class of Covid related charges tossed as soon as they get to court. The mask thing will probably go first because there is absolutely zero proof the bandanna mask does anything. Even Fauci started out saying that and then I imagine he was prodded into saying they *might* help. How are you going to tell thousands of "Nannas" that they are wasting their time making masks. I bet you don't see medical professionals wearing a home made mask. Just think about it a minute. This is a porous material that you are breathing through so it is collecting saliva. For an employee in a store that is for hours. It is probably soaking wet. (I know my N-95s won't last an hour in the shop until they are soaked). Now I have this wet rag on my face, collecting all of my germs along with any other germs that were in the air. There is zero filtering capability for anything much bigger than 50-60 microns, even if the rag is dry, wet it is a conduit. (Covid is 0.3 microns) I am breathing the contamination in and if I sneeze, the germs are going for a ride, infecting anyone or anything within range. How is that helping anything. All of that assumes you handle the mask properly and it doesn't become a worse vector when you take it off and shove it in your pocket. Try spitting through a mask. Put some food coloring on the mask and sneeze through it. Don't do it near anything expensive. Wrong. Put the food coloring in your mouth. Then sneeze through it. Now do the same without the mask. Common sense rules. We are talking about what happens to the contamination ON and IN the mask when you sneeze through it., If you are wearing a mask for any length of time on a warm day it will be soaked with sweat, saliva and condensation. Now blow air through that. A T shirt is not going to stop anything. It might slow down the range a little but you are still contaminating any surface nearby and surface contamination seems to be the main vector for this disease. I probably have as much experience with masks, real N-95 masks, as anyone here, just because of the amount of grinding and spray painting I do. They are DONE in an hour or two. That is not anywhere close to the ineffective do rags people call a mask these days. I say again, wear your mask for an hour or so outside (until it gets pretty moist), spray a little food color solution on it, inside or out, it really doesn't make much difference, then blow air through it. See what comes out. Next, what do you do with your mask when you take it off? Shove it in your pocket for next time? Throw it away? Same with your gloves if you go that far. Most of this crap is politically motivated feel good gestures having nothing to do with proper sanitation. My nurse relative says that. Greg, I don't think the CDC or local governments think people are wearing a mask all day long and certainly not grinding or painting. The "order" is to wear one when going into a store for groceries or if stopping by your convenience store to pick up a loaf of bread. I have a few I keep in my truck. I put one on as requested just before I go into a store and take it off when I get back into the truck. One mask is good for two or three days using it like that. I have a large box of disposable gloves. I just trash them after every use. We got takeout yesterday for,the first time. Sign on door “masks required “. Chicken and waffle sandwich. Really good. |
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