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On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:23:24 -0400, wrote: I probably have as much experience with masks, real N-95 masks, as anyone here, just because of the amount of grinding and spray painting I do. === You probably know this but if you are doing much spray painting, you need something that will filter the VOCs. An N95 mask will not do that. https://www.westmarine.com/buy/3m--6000-series-half-facepiece-respirator-large--337538?recordNum=15 VOCs can do nasty things to your central nervous system and brain. The key to that respirator is the filter you attach. 3M makes a one time use VOC filter that will even let you spray Imron. Use once, dispose. As to nasty, friend bought his Mooney airplane because of VC,s, guy tried to save money and painted his plane himself without a mask. I think Imron. I used the one shot mask when I painted my Dune buggy about 35 years ago. |
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:28:22 -0400, John wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:20:02 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 18:02:42 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 09:31:28 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 22:39:44 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 18:47:21 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 17:11:05 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 08:46:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/28/2020 8:08 AM, Tim wrote: And just found that out by losing a law suit against down state representative Darren bailey. Pritzker is finding that he’s not as well loved as he thought he was. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ports/2262560/ Some of this stuff is getting a little out of hand, IMO. Our town just issued an "order" requiring everybody over 2 years old to wear a mask when going to an "essential" store ... grocery, convenience, gas stations, home improvement outlets, etc. Failure to obey can result in fines. The town's order also says you can't use N-95 or surgical type masks. You are required to use a cloth mask that I guess you are supposed to make yourself. I had dug up half a box of "procedural" masks that I bought about 3 years ago at CVS for use when mowing the lawn. Now the town says I can't use them because a procedural mask is considered a surgical mask. I have no problem with cooperating with this but it's not necessary to issue an "order" enforceable with fines. Wearing a mask is a commonsense courtesy to others. It doesn't protect *you* ... it protects others if you are in close proximity and you sneeze or cough. When this whole thing started the public was asked to voluntarily practice social distancing and limiting contact with others. For us old farts, we were asked to voluntarily go into hibernation. The whole purpose of this was to "flatten the curve" to prevent hospitals from becoming overwhelmed with covid-19 cases. That's all. The public voluntarily responded and hospitals were never overwhelmed even in places like NY and NYC. In fact, many now have empty beds and hospitals are laying off medical staff. We need to resist having local state governments issuing "orders" enforceable by fines, especially when the voluntary efforts of the public are working. Slippery-slope kind of thing. All we need to do is to continue applying commonsense. I am waiting to see a whole class of Covid related charges tossed as soon as they get to court. The mask thing will probably go first because there is absolutely zero proof the bandanna mask does anything. Even Fauci started out saying that and then I imagine he was prodded into saying they *might* help. How are you going to tell thousands of "Nannas" that they are wasting their time making masks. I bet you don't see medical professionals wearing a home made mask. Just think about it a minute. This is a porous material that you are breathing through so it is collecting saliva. For an employee in a store that is for hours. It is probably soaking wet. (I know my N-95s won't last an hour in the shop until they are soaked). Now I have this wet rag on my face, collecting all of my germs along with any other germs that were in the air. There is zero filtering capability for anything much bigger than 50-60 microns, even if the rag is dry, wet it is a conduit. (Covid is 0.3 microns) I am breathing the contamination in and if I sneeze, the germs are going for a ride, infecting anyone or anything within range. How is that helping anything. All of that assumes you handle the mask properly and it doesn't become a worse vector when you take it off and shove it in your pocket. Try spitting through a mask. Put some food coloring on the mask and sneeze through it. Don't do it near anything expensive. Wrong. Put the food coloring in your mouth. Then sneeze through it. Now do the same without the mask. Common sense rules. We are talking about what happens to the contamination ON and IN the mask when you sneeze through it., If you are wearing a mask for any length of time on a warm day it will be soaked with sweat, saliva and condensation. Now blow air through that. A T shirt is not going to stop anything. It might slow down the range a little but you are still contaminating any surface nearby and surface contamination seems to be the main vector for this disease. I probably have as much experience with masks, real N-95 masks, as anyone here, just because of the amount of grinding and spray painting I do. They are DONE in an hour or two. That is not anywhere close to the ineffective do rags people call a mask these days. I say again, wear your mask for an hour or so outside (until it gets pretty moist), spray a little food color solution on it, inside or out, it really doesn't make much difference, then blow air through it. See what comes out. Next, what do you do with your mask when you take it off? Shove it in your pocket for next time? Throw it away? Same with your gloves if you go that far. Most of this crap is politically motivated feel good gestures having nothing to do with proper sanitation. My nurse relative says that. Maybe here our masks last longer. A really humid days 80%. Maybe fog. Normal is the 25-40% range. I just walked out in the yard with my Bacharach sling. I get 85 dry bulb, 78 wet bulb = 72% RH and this is the dry season. I lived in DC for almost 40 years and John will not see much different in a month or so. By August it can easily be hotter and as humid there as it is here. Luckily, most of our stores up here, which is where I'd wear a mask, are air conditioned. Aren't yours? Not the parking lots. Your car will be a sauna when you get out too. Maybe the problem is I do more than one thing a day. Usually my trip out involves at least 4 stops. I try not to go any more often than I have to. If nothing else, I would be handling that mask 8 times or more. Anyway, if it works for you, go for it. I pass. Out. |
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 18:17:36 -0400,
wrote: On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:23:24 -0400, wrote: I probably have as much experience with masks, real N-95 masks, as anyone here, just because of the amount of grinding and spray painting I do. === You probably know this but if you are doing much spray painting, you need something that will filter the VOCs. An N95 mask will not do that. https://www.westmarine.com/buy/3m--6000-series-half-facepiece-respirator-large--337538?recordNum=15 VOCs can do nasty things to your central nervous system and brain. I have a real rubber mask with filters for what I am shooting if it is something really nasty like Awl Grip, Imron or whatever but if I am just using a rattle can, outside, I go with an N-95. If I actually shot a lot of that poly based paint I would get a positive pressure mask that would run off my hookah. These days I worry as much about particulates as anything. I am not painting as much. BTW that reminds me, Do you have a fiberglass guy who would gel coat my spa? I might end up doing it myself but I would pay a guy if I had someone I could trust. I can prep it but I have never shot gel coat and I have heard your first swing at that ball might not work out so good ;-) Plan B would be to shoot 2 part epoxy of some kind. I suppose I could brush it but it might be hard with all of the curves. Any kind of roller is out of the question. I have air |
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On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 00:44:15 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: wrote: On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 18:02:42 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 09:31:28 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 22:39:44 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 18:47:21 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 17:11:05 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 08:46:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/28/2020 8:08 AM, Tim wrote: And just found that out by losing a law suit against down state representative Darren bailey. Pritzker is finding that he’s not as well loved as he thought he was. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ports/2262560/ Some of this stuff is getting a little out of hand, IMO. Our town just issued an "order" requiring everybody over 2 years old to wear a mask when going to an "essential" store ... grocery, convenience, gas stations, home improvement outlets, etc. Failure to obey can result in fines. The town's order also says you can't use N-95 or surgical type masks. You are required to use a cloth mask that I guess you are supposed to make yourself. I had dug up half a box of "procedural" masks that I bought about 3 years ago at CVS for use when mowing the lawn. Now the town says I can't use them because a procedural mask is considered a surgical mask. I have no problem with cooperating with this but it's not necessary to issue an "order" enforceable with fines. Wearing a mask is a commonsense courtesy to others. It doesn't protect *you* ... it protects others if you are in close proximity and you sneeze or cough. When this whole thing started the public was asked to voluntarily practice social distancing and limiting contact with others. For us old farts, we were asked to voluntarily go into hibernation. The whole purpose of this was to "flatten the curve" to prevent hospitals from becoming overwhelmed with covid-19 cases. That's all. The public voluntarily responded and hospitals were never overwhelmed even in places like NY and NYC. In fact, many now have empty beds and hospitals are laying off medical staff. We need to resist having local state governments issuing "orders" enforceable by fines, especially when the voluntary efforts of the public are working. Slippery-slope kind of thing. All we need to do is to continue applying commonsense. I am waiting to see a whole class of Covid related charges tossed as soon as they get to court. The mask thing will probably go first because there is absolutely zero proof the bandanna mask does anything. Even Fauci started out saying that and then I imagine he was prodded into saying they *might* help. How are you going to tell thousands of "Nannas" that they are wasting their time making masks. I bet you don't see medical professionals wearing a home made mask. Just think about it a minute. This is a porous material that you are breathing through so it is collecting saliva. For an employee in a store that is for hours. It is probably soaking wet. (I know my N-95s won't last an hour in the shop until they are soaked). Now I have this wet rag on my face, collecting all of my germs along with any other germs that were in the air. There is zero filtering capability for anything much bigger than 50-60 microns, even if the rag is dry, wet it is a conduit. (Covid is 0.3 microns) I am breathing the contamination in and if I sneeze, the germs are going for a ride, infecting anyone or anything within range. How is that helping anything. All of that assumes you handle the mask properly and it doesn't become a worse vector when you take it off and shove it in your pocket. Try spitting through a mask. Put some food coloring on the mask and sneeze through it. Don't do it near anything expensive. Wrong. Put the food coloring in your mouth. Then sneeze through it. Now do the same without the mask. Common sense rules. We are talking about what happens to the contamination ON and IN the mask when you sneeze through it., If you are wearing a mask for any length of time on a warm day it will be soaked with sweat, saliva and condensation. Now blow air through that. A T shirt is not going to stop anything. It might slow down the range a little but you are still contaminating any surface nearby and surface contamination seems to be the main vector for this disease. I probably have as much experience with masks, real N-95 masks, as anyone here, just because of the amount of grinding and spray painting I do. They are DONE in an hour or two. That is not anywhere close to the ineffective do rags people call a mask these days. I say again, wear your mask for an hour or so outside (until it gets pretty moist), spray a little food color solution on it, inside or out, it really doesn't make much difference, then blow air through it. See what comes out. Next, what do you do with your mask when you take it off? Shove it in your pocket for next time? Throw it away? Same with your gloves if you go that far. Most of this crap is politically motivated feel good gestures having nothing to do with proper sanitation. My nurse relative says that. Maybe here our masks last longer. A really humid days 80%. Maybe fog. Normal is the 25-40% range. I just walked out in the yard with my Bacharach sling. I get 85 dry bulb, 78 wet bulb = 72% RH and this is the dry season. I lived in DC for almost 40 years and John will not see much different in a month or so. By August it can easily be hotter and as humid there as it is here. We are looking at some precipitation coming in and the present humidity is 65%. Overcast and windy. They are calling from a front from the north but it is getting close to being the last one of the year I imagine. Once the tropical weather takes over, it is the monsoon. Hot and humid every day with a good chance of a thunderstorm, that may be severe. |
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On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 00:44:17 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: wrote: On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:23:24 -0400, wrote: I probably have as much experience with masks, real N-95 masks, as anyone here, just because of the amount of grinding and spray painting I do. === You probably know this but if you are doing much spray painting, you need something that will filter the VOCs. An N95 mask will not do that. https://www.westmarine.com/buy/3m--6000-series-half-facepiece-respirator-large--337538?recordNum=15 VOCs can do nasty things to your central nervous system and brain. The key to that respirator is the filter you attach. 3M makes a one time use VOC filter that will even let you spray Imron. Use once, dispose. As to nasty, friend bought his Mooney airplane because of VC,s, guy tried to save money and painted his plane himself without a mask. I think Imron. I used the one shot mask when I painted my Dune buggy about 35 years ago. Yup, those are the filters I used when I was painting my boat. 2 coats of Zinc Chromate and 2 coats of a poly based paint similar to Imron/Awl grip. It lasted about 20 years. I scuffed it up a little and shot 2 more coats of poly paint on it about 14 years ago. |
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:34:37 -0400, John wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:30:13 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 14:22:36 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/29/2020 1:41 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 09:31:28 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 22:39:44 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 18:47:21 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 17:11:05 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 08:46:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/28/2020 8:08 AM, Tim wrote: And just found that out by losing a law suit against down state representative Darren bailey. Pritzker is finding that he’s not as well loved as he thought he was. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ports/2262560/ Some of this stuff is getting a little out of hand, IMO. Our town just issued an "order" requiring everybody over 2 years old to wear a mask when going to an "essential" store ... grocery, convenience, gas stations, home improvement outlets, etc. Failure to obey can result in fines. The town's order also says you can't use N-95 or surgical type masks. You are required to use a cloth mask that I guess you are supposed to make yourself. I had dug up half a box of "procedural" masks that I bought about 3 years ago at CVS for use when mowing the lawn. Now the town says I can't use them because a procedural mask is considered a surgical mask. I have no problem with cooperating with this but it's not necessary to issue an "order" enforceable with fines. Wearing a mask is a commonsense courtesy to others. It doesn't protect *you* ... it protects others if you are in close proximity and you sneeze or cough. When this whole thing started the public was asked to voluntarily practice social distancing and limiting contact with others. For us old farts, we were asked to voluntarily go into hibernation. The whole purpose of this was to "flatten the curve" to prevent hospitals from becoming overwhelmed with covid-19 cases. That's all. The public voluntarily responded and hospitals were never overwhelmed even in places like NY and NYC. In fact, many now have empty beds and hospitals are laying off medical staff. We need to resist having local state governments issuing "orders" enforceable by fines, especially when the voluntary efforts of the public are working. Slippery-slope kind of thing. All we need to do is to continue applying commonsense. I am waiting to see a whole class of Covid related charges tossed as soon as they get to court. The mask thing will probably go first because there is absolutely zero proof the bandanna mask does anything. Even Fauci started out saying that and then I imagine he was prodded into saying they *might* help. How are you going to tell thousands of "Nannas" that they are wasting their time making masks. I bet you don't see medical professionals wearing a home made mask. Just think about it a minute. This is a porous material that you are breathing through so it is collecting saliva. For an employee in a store that is for hours. It is probably soaking wet. (I know my N-95s won't last an hour in the shop until they are soaked). Now I have this wet rag on my face, collecting all of my germs along with any other germs that were in the air. There is zero filtering capability for anything much bigger than 50-60 microns, even if the rag is dry, wet it is a conduit. (Covid is 0.3 microns) I am breathing the contamination in and if I sneeze, the germs are going for a ride, infecting anyone or anything within range. How is that helping anything. All of that assumes you handle the mask properly and it doesn't become a worse vector when you take it off and shove it in your pocket. Try spitting through a mask. Put some food coloring on the mask and sneeze through it. Don't do it near anything expensive. Wrong. Put the food coloring in your mouth. Then sneeze through it. Now do the same without the mask. Common sense rules. We are talking about what happens to the contamination ON and IN the mask when you sneeze through it., If you are wearing a mask for any length of time on a warm day it will be soaked with sweat, saliva and condensation. Now blow air through that. A T shirt is not going to stop anything. It might slow down the range a little but you are still contaminating any surface nearby and surface contamination seems to be the main vector for this disease. I probably have as much experience with masks, real N-95 masks, as anyone here, just because of the amount of grinding and spray painting I do. They are DONE in an hour or two. That is not anywhere close to the ineffective do rags people call a mask these days. I say again, wear your mask for an hour or so outside (until it gets pretty moist), spray a little food color solution on it, inside or out, it really doesn't make much difference, then blow air through it. See what comes out. Next, what do you do with your mask when you take it off? Shove it in your pocket for next time? Throw it away? Same with your gloves if you go that far. Most of this crap is politically motivated feel good gestures having nothing to do with proper sanitation. My nurse relative says that. Greg, I don't think the CDC or local governments think people are wearing a mask all day long and certainly not grinding or painting. Yeah they aren't trying to stop particles that are 50 or 100 microns, they think you are stopping a 0.3 micron virus with that do rag. The CDC/NIH made a 180 turn on this in a couple of weeks bowing to political pressure to be able to say we are doing something. The "order" is to wear one when going into a store for groceries or if stopping by your convenience store to pick up a loaf of bread. I have a few I keep in my truck. I put one on as requested just before I go into a store and take it off when I get back into the truck. One mask is good for two or three days using it like that. Sounds more like a science fair experiment than a sanitation device. I have a large box of disposable gloves. I just trash them after every use. Greg, when you go shopping, without a mask, just tell the folks around you that they're wasting their time. If you honestly believe that a mask won't greatly reduce the aerosol from a cough or sneeze, then you're displaying a great lack of common sense. I am not coughing or sneezing. If I was I might think about it. |
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:50:23 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 4/29/2020 5:30 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 14:22:36 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/29/2020 1:41 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 09:31:28 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 22:39:44 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 18:47:21 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 17:11:05 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 08:46:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/28/2020 8:08 AM, Tim wrote: And just found that out by losing a law suit against down state representative Darren bailey. Pritzker is finding that he’s not as well loved as he thought he was. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ports/2262560/ Some of this stuff is getting a little out of hand, IMO. Our town just issued an "order" requiring everybody over 2 years old to wear a mask when going to an "essential" store ... grocery, convenience, gas stations, home improvement outlets, etc. Failure to obey can result in fines. The town's order also says you can't use N-95 or surgical type masks. You are required to use a cloth mask that I guess you are supposed to make yourself. I had dug up half a box of "procedural" masks that I bought about 3 years ago at CVS for use when mowing the lawn. Now the town says I can't use them because a procedural mask is considered a surgical mask. I have no problem with cooperating with this but it's not necessary to issue an "order" enforceable with fines. Wearing a mask is a commonsense courtesy to others. It doesn't protect *you* ... it protects others if you are in close proximity and you sneeze or cough. When this whole thing started the public was asked to voluntarily practice social distancing and limiting contact with others. For us old farts, we were asked to voluntarily go into hibernation. The whole purpose of this was to "flatten the curve" to prevent hospitals from becoming overwhelmed with covid-19 cases. That's all. The public voluntarily responded and hospitals were never overwhelmed even in places like NY and NYC. In fact, many now have empty beds and hospitals are laying off medical staff. We need to resist having local state governments issuing "orders" enforceable by fines, especially when the voluntary efforts of the public are working. Slippery-slope kind of thing. All we need to do is to continue applying commonsense. I am waiting to see a whole class of Covid related charges tossed as soon as they get to court. The mask thing will probably go first because there is absolutely zero proof the bandanna mask does anything. Even Fauci started out saying that and then I imagine he was prodded into saying they *might* help. How are you going to tell thousands of "Nannas" that they are wasting their time making masks. I bet you don't see medical professionals wearing a home made mask. Just think about it a minute. This is a porous material that you are breathing through so it is collecting saliva. For an employee in a store that is for hours. It is probably soaking wet. (I know my N-95s won't last an hour in the shop until they are soaked). Now I have this wet rag on my face, collecting all of my germs along with any other germs that were in the air. There is zero filtering capability for anything much bigger than 50-60 microns, even if the rag is dry, wet it is a conduit. (Covid is 0.3 microns) I am breathing the contamination in and if I sneeze, the germs are going for a ride, infecting anyone or anything within range. How is that helping anything. All of that assumes you handle the mask properly and it doesn't become a worse vector when you take it off and shove it in your pocket. Try spitting through a mask. Put some food coloring on the mask and sneeze through it. Don't do it near anything expensive. Wrong. Put the food coloring in your mouth. Then sneeze through it. Now do the same without the mask. Common sense rules. We are talking about what happens to the contamination ON and IN the mask when you sneeze through it., If you are wearing a mask for any length of time on a warm day it will be soaked with sweat, saliva and condensation. Now blow air through that. A T shirt is not going to stop anything. It might slow down the range a little but you are still contaminating any surface nearby and surface contamination seems to be the main vector for this disease. I probably have as much experience with masks, real N-95 masks, as anyone here, just because of the amount of grinding and spray painting I do. They are DONE in an hour or two. That is not anywhere close to the ineffective do rags people call a mask these days. I say again, wear your mask for an hour or so outside (until it gets pretty moist), spray a little food color solution on it, inside or out, it really doesn't make much difference, then blow air through it. See what comes out. Next, what do you do with your mask when you take it off? Shove it in your pocket for next time? Throw it away? Same with your gloves if you go that far. Most of this crap is politically motivated feel good gestures having nothing to do with proper sanitation. My nurse relative says that. Greg, I don't think the CDC or local governments think people are wearing a mask all day long and certainly not grinding or painting. Yeah they aren't trying to stop particles that are 50 or 100 microns, they think you are stopping a 0.3 micron virus with that do rag. The CDC/NIH made a 180 turn on this in a couple of weeks bowing to political pressure to be able to say we are doing something. Greg, I think the early spring heat and humidity in Florida has affected your thought process. Either that or you live in an alternate universe. The cloth "do" masks are *not* intended to stop a .3 micron virus. They are intended to stop *your* aerosol spray from a sneeze or cough from landing on other people or surfaces. Even the HEPA filters used in airplanes that filter and exchange all the cabin air every few minutes won't filter a virus. A virus is typically smaller than .3 microns. Those filters are for airborne bacteria which is much larger than a virus. Nobody is saying you need to wear a mask all day anyway. Only time you need to put one on is just before you enter a store and you can remove it once you get back in your vehicle. Then you are handling a contaminated mask several times unless you have a sterile bag of them and another bag to store the dirty ones. The reality is as soon as you get away from Miami/Ft Lauderdale, the virus is not really much of an issue and even with that big hot spot, our numbers are a fraction of the Acela corridor, per capita, in every category. If you toss that area, we look more like Texas or Utah. We got a big data dump tonight from Tallahassee and it debunked a lot of scary stuff we were hearing. It was why DeSantis decided to loosen up the choke hold on our economy. |
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 23:22:06 -0400, wrote:
BTW that reminds me, Do you have a fiberglass guy who would gel coat my spa? I might end up doing it myself but I would pay a guy if I had someone I could trust. I can prep it but I have never shot gel coat and I have heard your first swing at that ball might not work out so good ;-) === Unfortunateky not, but you can get surprisingly good results brushing or rolling gelcoat (several coats), and then rubbing it out - working up through the grits to 1500 or so, followed by a good buffing with rubbing compound. As you are probably aware there are two kinds of gel coat, one without a wax additive for layering up multiple coats, and the other type that has the wax additive for the top coat. The purpose of the wax is to seal out the air which prevents it from curing all the way. It's kind of fun actually, and of course you want to practice on some plywood first. The nice thing anout gelcoat is that it's very easy to repair if you mess up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MWN7kbzutM -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On 4/29/2020 11:46 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:50:23 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/29/2020 5:30 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 14:22:36 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/29/2020 1:41 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 09:31:28 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 22:39:44 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 18:47:21 -0400, John wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 17:11:05 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 08:46:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/28/2020 8:08 AM, Tim wrote: And just found that out by losing a law suit against down state representative Darren bailey. Pritzker is finding that he’s not as well loved as he thought he was. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ports/2262560/ Some of this stuff is getting a little out of hand, IMO. Our town just issued an "order" requiring everybody over 2 years old to wear a mask when going to an "essential" store ... grocery, convenience, gas stations, home improvement outlets, etc. Failure to obey can result in fines. The town's order also says you can't use N-95 or surgical type masks. You are required to use a cloth mask that I guess you are supposed to make yourself. I had dug up half a box of "procedural" masks that I bought about 3 years ago at CVS for use when mowing the lawn. Now the town says I can't use them because a procedural mask is considered a surgical mask. I have no problem with cooperating with this but it's not necessary to issue an "order" enforceable with fines. Wearing a mask is a commonsense courtesy to others. It doesn't protect *you* ... it protects others if you are in close proximity and you sneeze or cough. When this whole thing started the public was asked to voluntarily practice social distancing and limiting contact with others. For us old farts, we were asked to voluntarily go into hibernation. The whole purpose of this was to "flatten the curve" to prevent hospitals from becoming overwhelmed with covid-19 cases. That's all. The public voluntarily responded and hospitals were never overwhelmed even in places like NY and NYC. In fact, many now have empty beds and hospitals are laying off medical staff. We need to resist having local state governments issuing "orders" enforceable by fines, especially when the voluntary efforts of the public are working. Slippery-slope kind of thing. All we need to do is to continue applying commonsense. I am waiting to see a whole class of Covid related charges tossed as soon as they get to court. The mask thing will probably go first because there is absolutely zero proof the bandanna mask does anything. Even Fauci started out saying that and then I imagine he was prodded into saying they *might* help. How are you going to tell thousands of "Nannas" that they are wasting their time making masks. I bet you don't see medical professionals wearing a home made mask. Just think about it a minute. This is a porous material that you are breathing through so it is collecting saliva. For an employee in a store that is for hours. It is probably soaking wet. (I know my N-95s won't last an hour in the shop until they are soaked). Now I have this wet rag on my face, collecting all of my germs along with any other germs that were in the air. There is zero filtering capability for anything much bigger than 50-60 microns, even if the rag is dry, wet it is a conduit. (Covid is 0.3 microns) I am breathing the contamination in and if I sneeze, the germs are going for a ride, infecting anyone or anything within range. How is that helping anything. All of that assumes you handle the mask properly and it doesn't become a worse vector when you take it off and shove it in your pocket. Try spitting through a mask. Put some food coloring on the mask and sneeze through it. Don't do it near anything expensive. Wrong. Put the food coloring in your mouth. Then sneeze through it. Now do the same without the mask. Common sense rules. We are talking about what happens to the contamination ON and IN the mask when you sneeze through it., If you are wearing a mask for any length of time on a warm day it will be soaked with sweat, saliva and condensation. Now blow air through that. A T shirt is not going to stop anything. It might slow down the range a little but you are still contaminating any surface nearby and surface contamination seems to be the main vector for this disease. I probably have as much experience with masks, real N-95 masks, as anyone here, just because of the amount of grinding and spray painting I do. They are DONE in an hour or two. That is not anywhere close to the ineffective do rags people call a mask these days. I say again, wear your mask for an hour or so outside (until it gets pretty moist), spray a little food color solution on it, inside or out, it really doesn't make much difference, then blow air through it. See what comes out. Next, what do you do with your mask when you take it off? Shove it in your pocket for next time? Throw it away? Same with your gloves if you go that far. Most of this crap is politically motivated feel good gestures having nothing to do with proper sanitation. My nurse relative says that. Greg, I don't think the CDC or local governments think people are wearing a mask all day long and certainly not grinding or painting. Yeah they aren't trying to stop particles that are 50 or 100 microns, they think you are stopping a 0.3 micron virus with that do rag. The CDC/NIH made a 180 turn on this in a couple of weeks bowing to political pressure to be able to say we are doing something. Greg, I think the early spring heat and humidity in Florida has affected your thought process. Either that or you live in an alternate universe. The cloth "do" masks are *not* intended to stop a .3 micron virus. They are intended to stop *your* aerosol spray from a sneeze or cough from landing on other people or surfaces. Even the HEPA filters used in airplanes that filter and exchange all the cabin air every few minutes won't filter a virus. A virus is typically smaller than .3 microns. Those filters are for airborne bacteria which is much larger than a virus. Nobody is saying you need to wear a mask all day anyway. Only time you need to put one on is just before you enter a store and you can remove it once you get back in your vehicle. Then you are handling a contaminated mask several times unless you have a sterile bag of them and another bag to store the dirty ones. The reality is as soon as you get away from Miami/Ft Lauderdale, the virus is not really much of an issue and even with that big hot spot, our numbers are a fraction of the Acela corridor, per capita, in every category. If you toss that area, we look more like Texas or Utah. We got a big data dump tonight from Tallahassee and it debunked a lot of scary stuff we were hearing. It was why DeSantis decided to loosen up the choke hold on our economy. If I wear a mask once a day or once every two days for about 5 minutes each time while I stop at a store, am not sneezing or coughing ... not even talking really ... do you really think I need to worry about it being "contaminated"? It's not like I am performing surgery or something. :-) -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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