On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 22:26:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 16:44:01 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 15:35:26 -0400, John wrote:

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 13:47:13 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 08:04:19 -0400, John wrote:

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 21:09:51 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:



More and more it's looking like Sweden had the
best approach to the covid-19 pandemic.

The country is affected, for sure, but the
death rate per 100,000 population is just
about the same as that here in the USA.

Difference is, although they recommended the
same basic precautions of social distancing,
avoiding large crowds, etc., Sweden did
not shut down their economy as we and many
other nations, including neighboring Norway
did.

Schools remained open, businesses remained
open, including restaurants and bars.

They did impose a 30 day ban on non-essential
travel *to* Sweden except for members of the
European Economic Area (EEA) and Switzerland.
That means that travel to Sweden from the
following countries is allowed:

Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia,
Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Iceland, Italy,
Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands,
Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain,
Switzerland and the United Kingdom.

Go figure.

It seems as though everyone is waiting for the **** to hit the fan in Sweden.
Although many establishments remained open, they've put some limits on schools,
bars, etc.

"To start with, it?s a myth that Sweden is doing nothing about the virus. Most
Swedes have changed their habits a lot. Schools for older kids are closed, as
are universities. People are working from home, when they can, and the elderly
are being urged to keep to themselves. Gatherings of over 50 people are
prohibited, and ski resorts are closed. Restaurants and bars are allowing table
service only, and grocery stores are installing glass dividers between customers
and cashiers. People who go to Stockholm may be stunned to see bars and cafés
with customers, but they?re seeing only the Swedes who choose to run higher
risks. They?re not seeing all the Swedes who are staying home."

This is a good article on Sweden.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...eden-is-trying

Makes me wonder if Trump is taking the right approach in trying to open things
up. Following the Sweden model may be a good thing to try in some places, as
long as the Sweden model works. I can't figure why their death rate is so high
compared to other European countries.

Maybe we should institute the law DC had since prohibition (repealed
in the late 70s). It used to be illegal to stand up with a drink. You
had to be seated. If the tables were 6 feet apart and you stay with
the party you hang out with all the time anyway, I don't see a big
issue. We are actually trying to get the younger set a herd immunity
anyway and we might be amazed to find out how many had it, got over it
and now carry antibodies. That is the test we really need.
The "you got it now" test is really only valuable to keep infected
people away from the most vulnerable and it is only as good as the
last contact someone had with the infection. You could test negative
and catch it before the test result came back.

That's basically what Sweden is doing, but without the standing at the bar. The
antibody test is great to determine who has had it, but it doesn't help us old
guys much!

It might be surprising. It is possible some of us old geezers will
fall into that 80% who had it and didn't really get that sick.

Define 'some'. If ilt's only 5-7% of us that make it, that leaves a big worry.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!


Huh? My wife was sick, like super flu after we came back from Baja end of
February. Worse than any flu she ever had. I felt a little yucky. So
we may in that 80%. Would be nice to know, but seems as if the local study
is 60 at the oldest.

Yup, I mentioned to the wife last night that it would be nice to take an
antibody test and find out we'd already had it. I had a hell of a cold right
after the last cruise, which landed in New Orleans the Friday after Mardi Gras.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

On 4/18/2020 7:00 AM, John wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 22:26:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 16:44:01 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 15:35:26 -0400, John wrote:

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 13:47:13 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 08:04:19 -0400, John wrote:

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 21:09:51 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:



More and more it's looking like Sweden had the
best approach to the covid-19 pandemic.

The country is affected, for sure, but the
death rate per 100,000 population is just
about the same as that here in the USA.

Difference is, although they recommended the
same basic precautions of social distancing,
avoiding large crowds, etc., Sweden did
not shut down their economy as we and many
other nations, including neighboring Norway
did.

Schools remained open, businesses remained
open, including restaurants and bars.

They did impose a 30 day ban on non-essential
travel *to* Sweden except for members of the
European Economic Area (EEA) and Switzerland.
That means that travel to Sweden from the
following countries is allowed:

Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia,
Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Iceland, Italy,
Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands,
Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain,
Switzerland and the United Kingdom.

Go figure.

It seems as though everyone is waiting for the **** to hit the fan in Sweden.
Although many establishments remained open, they've put some limits on schools,
bars, etc.

"To start with, it?s a myth that Sweden is doing nothing about the virus. Most
Swedes have changed their habits a lot. Schools for older kids are closed, as
are universities. People are working from home, when they can, and the elderly
are being urged to keep to themselves. Gatherings of over 50 people are
prohibited, and ski resorts are closed. Restaurants and bars are allowing table
service only, and grocery stores are installing glass dividers between customers
and cashiers. People who go to Stockholm may be stunned to see bars and cafés
with customers, but they?re seeing only the Swedes who choose to run higher
risks. They?re not seeing all the Swedes who are staying home."

This is a good article on Sweden.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...eden-is-trying

Makes me wonder if Trump is taking the right approach in trying to open things
up. Following the Sweden model may be a good thing to try in some places, as
long as the Sweden model works. I can't figure why their death rate is so high
compared to other European countries.

Maybe we should institute the law DC had since prohibition (repealed
in the late 70s). It used to be illegal to stand up with a drink. You
had to be seated. If the tables were 6 feet apart and you stay with
the party you hang out with all the time anyway, I don't see a big
issue. We are actually trying to get the younger set a herd immunity
anyway and we might be amazed to find out how many had it, got over it
and now carry antibodies. That is the test we really need.
The "you got it now" test is really only valuable to keep infected
people away from the most vulnerable and it is only as good as the
last contact someone had with the infection. You could test negative
and catch it before the test result came back.

That's basically what Sweden is doing, but without the standing at the bar. The
antibody test is great to determine who has had it, but it doesn't help us old
guys much!

It might be surprising. It is possible some of us old geezers will
fall into that 80% who had it and didn't really get that sick.

Define 'some'. If ilt's only 5-7% of us that make it, that leaves a big worry.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!


Huh? My wife was sick, like super flu after we came back from Baja end of
February. Worse than any flu she ever had. I felt a little yucky. So
we may in that 80%. Would be nice to know, but seems as if the local study
is 60 at the oldest.

Yup, I mentioned to the wife last night that it would be nice to take an
antibody test and find out we'd already had it. I had a hell of a cold right
after the last cruise, which landed in New Orleans the Friday after Mardi Gras.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

Fire trucks hose down the streets of N.O.every morning. I doubt that
does an adequate job of sanitizing the aftermath of the nightly partying.

--
Pity Fat Harry. His ability to produce rational thought on his own, no
longer exists, if it ever did at all.

Probably not but st least it gets rid of the puke, pee, blood and beer from the night before

Justan Ohlphart
- show quoted text -
Fire trucks hose down the streets of N.O.every morning. I doubt that
does an adequate job of sanitizing the aftermath of the nightly partying.

--
Pity Fat Harry. His ability to produce rational thought on his own, no
longer exists, if it ever did at all.

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 11:31:39 -0400, Justan Ohlphart wrote:

On 4/18/2020 7:00 AM, John wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 22:26:08 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 16:44:01 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 15:35:26 -0400, John wrote:

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 13:47:13 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 08:04:19 -0400, John wrote:

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 21:09:51 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:



More and more it's looking like Sweden had the
best approach to the covid-19 pandemic.

The country is affected, for sure, but the
death rate per 100,000 population is just
about the same as that here in the USA.

Difference is, although they recommended the
same basic precautions of social distancing,
avoiding large crowds, etc., Sweden did
not shut down their economy as we and many
other nations, including neighboring Norway
did.

Schools remained open, businesses remained
open, including restaurants and bars.

They did impose a 30 day ban on non-essential
travel *to* Sweden except for members of the
European Economic Area (EEA) and Switzerland.
That means that travel to Sweden from the
following countries is allowed:

Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia,
Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Iceland, Italy,
Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands,
Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain,
Switzerland and the United Kingdom.

Go figure.

It seems as though everyone is waiting for the **** to hit the fan in Sweden.
Although many establishments remained open, they've put some limits on schools,
bars, etc.

"To start with, it?s a myth that Sweden is doing nothing about the virus. Most
Swedes have changed their habits a lot. Schools for older kids are closed, as
are universities. People are working from home, when they can, and the elderly
are being urged to keep to themselves. Gatherings of over 50 people are
prohibited, and ski resorts are closed. Restaurants and bars are allowing table
service only, and grocery stores are installing glass dividers between customers
and cashiers. People who go to Stockholm may be stunned to see bars and cafés
with customers, but they?re seeing only the Swedes who choose to run higher
risks. They?re not seeing all the Swedes who are staying home."

This is a good article on Sweden.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...eden-is-trying

Makes me wonder if Trump is taking the right approach in trying to open things
up. Following the Sweden model may be a good thing to try in some places, as
long as the Sweden model works. I can't figure why their death rate is so high
compared to other European countries.

Maybe we should institute the law DC had since prohibition (repealed
in the late 70s). It used to be illegal to stand up with a drink. You
had to be seated. If the tables were 6 feet apart and you stay with
the party you hang out with all the time anyway, I don't see a big
issue. We are actually trying to get the younger set a herd immunity
anyway and we might be amazed to find out how many had it, got over it
and now carry antibodies. That is the test we really need.
The "you got it now" test is really only valuable to keep infected
people away from the most vulnerable and it is only as good as the
last contact someone had with the infection. You could test negative
and catch it before the test result came back.

That's basically what Sweden is doing, but without the standing at the bar. The
antibody test is great to determine who has had it, but it doesn't help us old
guys much!

It might be surprising. It is possible some of us old geezers will
fall into that 80% who had it and didn't really get that sick.

Define 'some'. If ilt's only 5-7% of us that make it, that leaves a big worry.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!


Huh? My wife was sick, like super flu after we came back from Baja end of
February. Worse than any flu she ever had. I felt a little yucky. So
we may in that 80%. Would be nice to know, but seems as if the local study
is 60 at the oldest.

Yup, I mentioned to the wife last night that it would be nice to take an
antibody test and find out we'd already had it. I had a hell of a cold right
after the last cruise, which landed in New Orleans the Friday after Mardi Gras.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

Fire trucks hose down the streets of N.O.every morning. I doubt that
does an adequate job of sanitizing the aftermath of the nightly partying.

They weren't hosing down when we were there, but there were a lot of workers
taking down bleachers and picking up beads!
--

Freedom Isn't Free!