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More and more it's looking like Sweden had the best approach to the covid-19 pandemic. The country is affected, for sure, but the death rate per 100,000 population is just about the same as that here in the USA. Difference is, although they recommended the same basic precautions of social distancing, avoiding large crowds, etc., Sweden did not shut down their economy as we and many other nations, including neighboring Norway did. Schools remained open, businesses remained open, including restaurants and bars. They did impose a 30 day ban on non-essential travel *to* Sweden except for members of the European Economic Area (EEA) and Switzerland. That means that travel to Sweden from the following countries is allowed: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Switzerland and the United Kingdom. Go figure. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On 4/16/20 9:09 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
More and more it's looking like Sweden had the best approach to the covid-19 pandemic. The country is affected, for sure, but the death rate per 100,000 population is just about the same as that here in the USA. Difference is, although they recommended the same basic precautions of social distancing, avoiding large crowds, etc.,Â* Sweden did not shut down their economy as we and many other nations, including neighboring Norway did. Schools remained open, businesses remained open, including restaurants and bars. They did impose a 30 day ban on non-essential travel *to* Sweden except for members of the European Economic Area (EEA) and Switzerland. That means that travel to Sweden from the following countries is allowed: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Switzerland and the United Kingdom. Go figure. Latest reports indicate a rising rate of infections in Sweden, a higher death rate than the United States, and as lax an availability of testing as the United States. From Time: Sweden has a relatively high case fatality rate: as of April 8, 7.68% of the Swedes who have tested positive for COVID-19 have died of the virus. Neighboring countries, like Norway and Denmark, have case fatality rates of 1.46% and 3.85% respectively. (The U.S. case fatality rate is 3.21%.) While Sweden’s elevated case fatality rate could be a result of its low testing rates compared to its neighbors, experts say Sweden’s laissez-faire approach could also be to blame. -- MAGA - Manipulating America's Gullible Assholes |
Sweden
On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 21:09:51 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
More and more it's looking like Sweden had the best approach to the covid-19 pandemic. The country is affected, for sure, but the death rate per 100,000 population is just about the same as that here in the USA. Difference is, although they recommended the same basic precautions of social distancing, avoiding large crowds, etc., Sweden did not shut down their economy as we and many other nations, including neighboring Norway did. Schools remained open, businesses remained open, including restaurants and bars. They did impose a 30 day ban on non-essential travel *to* Sweden except for members of the European Economic Area (EEA) and Switzerland. That means that travel to Sweden from the following countries is allowed: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Switzerland and the United Kingdom. Go figure. It seems as though everyone is waiting for the **** to hit the fan in Sweden. Although many establishments remained open, they've put some limits on schools, bars, etc. "To start with, it’s a myth that Sweden is doing nothing about the virus. Most Swedes have changed their habits a lot. Schools for older kids are closed, as are universities. People are working from home, when they can, and the elderly are being urged to keep to themselves. Gatherings of over 50 people are prohibited, and ski resorts are closed. Restaurants and bars are allowing table service only, and grocery stores are installing glass dividers between customers and cashiers. People who go to Stockholm may be stunned to see bars and cafés with customers, but they’re seeing only the Swedes who choose to run higher risks. They’re not seeing all the Swedes who are staying home." This is a good article on Sweden. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...eden-is-trying Makes me wonder if Trump is taking the right approach in trying to open things up. Following the Sweden model may be a good thing to try in some places, as long as the Sweden model works. I can't figure why their death rate is so high compared to other European countries. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
Sweden
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 08:04:19 -0400, John wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 21:09:51 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: More and more it's looking like Sweden had the best approach to the covid-19 pandemic. The country is affected, for sure, but the death rate per 100,000 population is just about the same as that here in the USA. Difference is, although they recommended the same basic precautions of social distancing, avoiding large crowds, etc., Sweden did not shut down their economy as we and many other nations, including neighboring Norway did. Schools remained open, businesses remained open, including restaurants and bars. They did impose a 30 day ban on non-essential travel *to* Sweden except for members of the European Economic Area (EEA) and Switzerland. That means that travel to Sweden from the following countries is allowed: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Switzerland and the United Kingdom. Go figure. It seems as though everyone is waiting for the **** to hit the fan in Sweden. Although many establishments remained open, they've put some limits on schools, bars, etc. "To start with, it’s a myth that Sweden is doing nothing about the virus. Most Swedes have changed their habits a lot. Schools for older kids are closed, as are universities. People are working from home, when they can, and the elderly are being urged to keep to themselves. Gatherings of over 50 people are prohibited, and ski resorts are closed. Restaurants and bars are allowing table service only, and grocery stores are installing glass dividers between customers and cashiers. People who go to Stockholm may be stunned to see bars and cafés with customers, but they’re seeing only the Swedes who choose to run higher risks. They’re not seeing all the Swedes who are staying home." This is a good article on Sweden. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...eden-is-trying Makes me wonder if Trump is taking the right approach in trying to open things up. Following the Sweden model may be a good thing to try in some places, as long as the Sweden model works. I can't figure why their death rate is so high compared to other European countries. Maybe we should institute the law DC had since prohibition (repealed in the late 70s). It used to be illegal to stand up with a drink. You had to be seated. If the tables were 6 feet apart and you stay with the party you hang out with all the time anyway, I don't see a big issue. We are actually trying to get the younger set a herd immunity anyway and we might be amazed to find out how many had it, got over it and now carry antibodies. That is the test we really need. The "you got it now" test is really only valuable to keep infected people away from the most vulnerable and it is only as good as the last contact someone had with the infection. You could test negative and catch it before the test result came back. |
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On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 08:04:19 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 21:09:51 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: More and more it's looking like Sweden had the best approach to the covid-19 pandemic. The country is affected, for sure, but the death rate per 100,000 population is just about the same as that here in the USA. Difference is, although they recommended the same basic precautions of social distancing, avoiding large crowds, etc., Sweden did not shut down their economy as we and many other nations, including neighboring Norway did. Schools remained open, businesses remained open, including restaurants and bars. They did impose a 30 day ban on non-essential travel *to* Sweden except for members of the European Economic Area (EEA) and Switzerland. That means that travel to Sweden from the following countries is allowed: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Switzerland and the United Kingdom. Go figure. It seems as though everyone is waiting for the **** to hit the fan in Sweden. Although many establishments remained open, they've put some limits on schools, bars, etc. "To start with, it’s a myth that Sweden is doing nothing about the virus. Most Swedes have changed their habits a lot. Schools for older kids are closed, as are universities. People are working from home, when they can, and the elderly are being urged to keep to themselves. Gatherings of over 50 people are prohibited, and ski resorts are closed. Restaurants and bars are allowing table service only, and grocery stores are installing glass dividers between customers and cashiers. People who go to Stockholm may be stunned to see bars and cafés with customers, but they’re seeing only the Swedes who choose to run higher risks. They’re not seeing all the Swedes who are staying home." This is a good article on Sweden. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...eden-is-trying Makes me wonder if Trump is taking the right approach in trying to open things up. Following the Sweden model may be a good thing to try in some places, as long as the Sweden model works. I can't figure why their death rate is so high compared to other European countries. Maybe we should institute the law DC had since prohibition (repealed in the late 70s). It used to be illegal to stand up with a drink. You had to be seated. If the tables were 6 feet apart and you stay with the party you hang out with all the time anyway, I don't see a big issue. We are actually trying to get the younger set a herd immunity anyway and we might be amazed to find out how many had it, got over it and now carry antibodies. That is the test we really need. The "you got it now" test is really only valuable to keep infected people away from the most vulnerable and it is only as good as the last contact someone had with the infection. You could test negative and catch it before the test result came back. They are doing a study. https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/...d-that-be-you/ |
Sweden
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 15:35:26 -0400, John wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 13:47:13 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 08:04:19 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 21:09:51 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: More and more it's looking like Sweden had the best approach to the covid-19 pandemic. The country is affected, for sure, but the death rate per 100,000 population is just about the same as that here in the USA. Difference is, although they recommended the same basic precautions of social distancing, avoiding large crowds, etc., Sweden did not shut down their economy as we and many other nations, including neighboring Norway did. Schools remained open, businesses remained open, including restaurants and bars. They did impose a 30 day ban on non-essential travel *to* Sweden except for members of the European Economic Area (EEA) and Switzerland. That means that travel to Sweden from the following countries is allowed: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Switzerland and the United Kingdom. Go figure. It seems as though everyone is waiting for the **** to hit the fan in Sweden. Although many establishments remained open, they've put some limits on schools, bars, etc. "To start with, it’s a myth that Sweden is doing nothing about the virus. Most Swedes have changed their habits a lot. Schools for older kids are closed, as are universities. People are working from home, when they can, and the elderly are being urged to keep to themselves. Gatherings of over 50 people are prohibited, and ski resorts are closed. Restaurants and bars are allowing table service only, and grocery stores are installing glass dividers between customers and cashiers. People who go to Stockholm may be stunned to see bars and cafés with customers, but they’re seeing only the Swedes who choose to run higher risks. They’re not seeing all the Swedes who are staying home." This is a good article on Sweden. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...eden-is-trying Makes me wonder if Trump is taking the right approach in trying to open things up. Following the Sweden model may be a good thing to try in some places, as long as the Sweden model works. I can't figure why their death rate is so high compared to other European countries. Maybe we should institute the law DC had since prohibition (repealed in the late 70s). It used to be illegal to stand up with a drink. You had to be seated. If the tables were 6 feet apart and you stay with the party you hang out with all the time anyway, I don't see a big issue. We are actually trying to get the younger set a herd immunity anyway and we might be amazed to find out how many had it, got over it and now carry antibodies. That is the test we really need. The "you got it now" test is really only valuable to keep infected people away from the most vulnerable and it is only as good as the last contact someone had with the infection. You could test negative and catch it before the test result came back. That's basically what Sweden is doing, but without the standing at the bar. The antibody test is great to determine who has had it, but it doesn't help us old guys much! It might be surprising. It is possible some of us old geezers will fall into that 80% who had it and didn't really get that sick. |
Sweden
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 16:44:01 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 15:35:26 -0400, John wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 13:47:13 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 08:04:19 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 21:09:51 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: More and more it's looking like Sweden had the best approach to the covid-19 pandemic. The country is affected, for sure, but the death rate per 100,000 population is just about the same as that here in the USA. Difference is, although they recommended the same basic precautions of social distancing, avoiding large crowds, etc., Sweden did not shut down their economy as we and many other nations, including neighboring Norway did. Schools remained open, businesses remained open, including restaurants and bars. They did impose a 30 day ban on non-essential travel *to* Sweden except for members of the European Economic Area (EEA) and Switzerland. That means that travel to Sweden from the following countries is allowed: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Switzerland and the United Kingdom. Go figure. It seems as though everyone is waiting for the **** to hit the fan in Sweden. Although many establishments remained open, they've put some limits on schools, bars, etc. "To start with, it’s a myth that Sweden is doing nothing about the virus. Most Swedes have changed their habits a lot. Schools for older kids are closed, as are universities. People are working from home, when they can, and the elderly are being urged to keep to themselves. Gatherings of over 50 people are prohibited, and ski resorts are closed. Restaurants and bars are allowing table service only, and grocery stores are installing glass dividers between customers and cashiers. People who go to Stockholm may be stunned to see bars and cafés with customers, but they’re seeing only the Swedes who choose to run higher risks. They’re not seeing all the Swedes who are staying home." This is a good article on Sweden. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...eden-is-trying Makes me wonder if Trump is taking the right approach in trying to open things up. Following the Sweden model may be a good thing to try in some places, as long as the Sweden model works. I can't figure why their death rate is so high compared to other European countries. Maybe we should institute the law DC had since prohibition (repealed in the late 70s). It used to be illegal to stand up with a drink. You had to be seated. If the tables were 6 feet apart and you stay with the party you hang out with all the time anyway, I don't see a big issue. We are actually trying to get the younger set a herd immunity anyway and we might be amazed to find out how many had it, got over it and now carry antibodies. That is the test we really need. The "you got it now" test is really only valuable to keep infected people away from the most vulnerable and it is only as good as the last contact someone had with the infection. You could test negative and catch it before the test result came back. That's basically what Sweden is doing, but without the standing at the bar. The antibody test is great to determine who has had it, but it doesn't help us old guys much! It might be surprising. It is possible some of us old geezers will fall into that 80% who had it and didn't really get that sick. Define 'some'. If ilt's only 5-7% of us that make it, that leaves a big worry. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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John wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 16:44:01 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 15:35:26 -0400, John wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 13:47:13 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 08:04:19 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 21:09:51 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: More and more it's looking like Sweden had the best approach to the covid-19 pandemic. The country is affected, for sure, but the death rate per 100,000 population is just about the same as that here in the USA. Difference is, although they recommended the same basic precautions of social distancing, avoiding large crowds, etc., Sweden did not shut down their economy as we and many other nations, including neighboring Norway did. Schools remained open, businesses remained open, including restaurants and bars. They did impose a 30 day ban on non-essential travel *to* Sweden except for members of the European Economic Area (EEA) and Switzerland. That means that travel to Sweden from the following countries is allowed: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Switzerland and the United Kingdom. Go figure. It seems as though everyone is waiting for the **** to hit the fan in Sweden. Although many establishments remained open, they've put some limits on schools, bars, etc. "To start with, it’s a myth that Sweden is doing nothing about the virus. Most Swedes have changed their habits a lot. Schools for older kids are closed, as are universities. People are working from home, when they can, and the elderly are being urged to keep to themselves. Gatherings of over 50 people are prohibited, and ski resorts are closed. Restaurants and bars are allowing table service only, and grocery stores are installing glass dividers between customers and cashiers. People who go to Stockholm may be stunned to see bars and cafés with customers, but they’re seeing only the Swedes who choose to run higher risks. They’re not seeing all the Swedes who are staying home." This is a good article on Sweden. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...eden-is-trying Makes me wonder if Trump is taking the right approach in trying to open things up. Following the Sweden model may be a good thing to try in some places, as long as the Sweden model works. I can't figure why their death rate is so high compared to other European countries. Maybe we should institute the law DC had since prohibition (repealed in the late 70s). It used to be illegal to stand up with a drink. You had to be seated. If the tables were 6 feet apart and you stay with the party you hang out with all the time anyway, I don't see a big issue. We are actually trying to get the younger set a herd immunity anyway and we might be amazed to find out how many had it, got over it and now carry antibodies. That is the test we really need. The "you got it now" test is really only valuable to keep infected people away from the most vulnerable and it is only as good as the last contact someone had with the infection. You could test negative and catch it before the test result came back. That's basically what Sweden is doing, but without the standing at the bar. The antibody test is great to determine who has had it, but it doesn't help us old guys much! It might be surprising. It is possible some of us old geezers will fall into that 80% who had it and didn't really get that sick. Define 'some'. If ilt's only 5-7% of us that make it, that leaves a big worry. -- Freedom Isn't Free! Huh? My wife was sick, like super flu after we came back from Baja end of February. Worse than any flu she ever had. I felt a little yucky. So we may in that 80%. Would be nice to know, but seems as if the local study is 60 at the oldest. |
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On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 16:47:49 -0400, John wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 16:44:01 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 15:35:26 -0400, John wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 13:47:13 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 08:04:19 -0400, John wrote: On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 21:09:51 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: More and more it's looking like Sweden had the best approach to the covid-19 pandemic. The country is affected, for sure, but the death rate per 100,000 population is just about the same as that here in the USA. Difference is, although they recommended the same basic precautions of social distancing, avoiding large crowds, etc., Sweden did not shut down their economy as we and many other nations, including neighboring Norway did. Schools remained open, businesses remained open, including restaurants and bars. They did impose a 30 day ban on non-essential travel *to* Sweden except for members of the European Economic Area (EEA) and Switzerland. That means that travel to Sweden from the following countries is allowed: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Switzerland and the United Kingdom. Go figure. It seems as though everyone is waiting for the **** to hit the fan in Sweden. Although many establishments remained open, they've put some limits on schools, bars, etc. "To start with, it’s a myth that Sweden is doing nothing about the virus. Most Swedes have changed their habits a lot. Schools for older kids are closed, as are universities. People are working from home, when they can, and the elderly are being urged to keep to themselves. Gatherings of over 50 people are prohibited, and ski resorts are closed. Restaurants and bars are allowing table service only, and grocery stores are installing glass dividers between customers and cashiers. People who go to Stockholm may be stunned to see bars and cafés with customers, but they’re seeing only the Swedes who choose to run higher risks. They’re not seeing all the Swedes who are staying home." This is a good article on Sweden. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...eden-is-trying Makes me wonder if Trump is taking the right approach in trying to open things up. Following the Sweden model may be a good thing to try in some places, as long as the Sweden model works. I can't figure why their death rate is so high compared to other European countries. Maybe we should institute the law DC had since prohibition (repealed in the late 70s). It used to be illegal to stand up with a drink. You had to be seated. If the tables were 6 feet apart and you stay with the party you hang out with all the time anyway, I don't see a big issue. We are actually trying to get the younger set a herd immunity anyway and we might be amazed to find out how many had it, got over it and now carry antibodies. That is the test we really need. The "you got it now" test is really only valuable to keep infected people away from the most vulnerable and it is only as good as the last contact someone had with the infection. You could test negative and catch it before the test result came back. That's basically what Sweden is doing, but without the standing at the bar. The antibody test is great to determine who has had it, but it doesn't help us old guys much! It might be surprising. It is possible some of us old geezers will fall into that 80% who had it and didn't really get that sick. Define 'some'. If ilt's only 5-7% of us that make it, that leaves a big worry. We won't really know until we get decent, wide spread, antibody testing. I am still acting like I don't have it and everybody I see does. I have been fairly conscious of infection anyway, just because everyone with a cold seems to come to Florida but I am more careful now. |
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