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On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. |
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Keyser Soze
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be Seeing it was put on autoplay, I liked the second video better https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir3JDyQ7yZE |
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh? He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The "facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a day. |
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On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh? He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The "facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a day. Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it. |
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh? He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The "facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a day. Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it. Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600% in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to recommending them for anyone in public. Those are politically knee jerks, not science. Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag" on his face. |
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 21:57:54 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh? He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The "facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a day. Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it. Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600% in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to recommending them for anyone in public. Those are politically knee jerks, not science. Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag" on his face. You are sounding much like CNN. There was a very high, non-mitigation estimate, and a much lower estimate with mitigation. As Spain and Italy were used as inputs, the output was high. Adjustments have been made based upon actual US data and we see the result. Of course, you knew that. I've seen no recommendations for surgeons to wear home made facemasks. The purpose of the facemask for the public is to contain the virus if one is a carrier. A cloth mask, although not perfect, is much better than no mask. Common sense says that. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh? He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The "facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a day. Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it. Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600% in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to recommending them for anyone in public. Those are politically knee jerks, not science. Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag" on his face. Not quite that bad Greg. The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*. The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to 84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC recommendations precisely. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On 4/12/20 8:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh? He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The "facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a day. Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it. Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600% in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to recommending them for anyone in public. Those are politically knee jerks, not science. Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag" on his face. Not quite that bad Greg. The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*. The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to 84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC recommendations precisely. Apparently science doesn't mesh with Greg's loonytarian preference of doing nothing. |
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...=youtu.beFauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn outto be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Fauci is just reacting to the available data. In the beginning there was just models. You should wish that your mind will be as sharp and flexable when you reach his age. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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Wrote in message: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...=youtu.beFauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn outto be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Fauci is just reacting to the available data. In the beginning there was just models. You should wish that your mind will be as sharp and flexable when you reach his age. What no one is saying, is no matter what the curve, the area below the curve is the same. |
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 18:36:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...=youtu.beFauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn outto be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Fauci is just reacting to the available data. In the beginning there was just models. You should wish that your mind will be as sharp and flexable when you reach his age. What no one is saying, is no matter what the curve, the area below the curve is the same. === That's not necessarily true. If an effective treatment or vaccine comes along, the tail of the distribution curve will be trimmed at some point. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:14:11 -0400, John wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 21:57:54 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh? He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The "facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a day. Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it. Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600% in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to recommending them for anyone in public. Those are politically knee jerks, not science. Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag" on his face. You are sounding much like CNN. There was a very high, non-mitigation estimate, and a much lower estimate with mitigation. As Spain and Italy were used as inputs, the output was high. Adjustments have been made based upon actual US data and we see the result. Of course, you knew that. I knew that the demographic and geography made them bad models if that is what you mean. I've seen no recommendations for surgeons to wear home made facemasks. The purpose of the facemask for the public is to contain the virus if one is a carrier. A cloth mask, although not perfect, is much better than no mask. Common sense says that. The thing that is flawed is it makes the mask wearer much more likely to be infected unless they follow a far stricter protocol than simply stuffing the rag in their pocket between wearings. It becomes a very effective vector for the virus. Fauci and the experts used to say that |
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:34:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh? He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The "facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a day. Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it. Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600% in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to recommending them for anyone in public. Those are politically knee jerks, not science. Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag" on his face. Not quite that bad Greg. The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*. The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to 84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC recommendations precisely. Since we are all likely to get it eventually, the only thing I see this doing is "flattening the curve" and not having it all happen at once, They pretty much say that too. It is unlikely a vaccine will be here before this thing runs it' initial course. This curve is likely to look more like a decreasing sine wave as the virus waxes and wanes through society ... assuming we stay locked down and start venturing out over time. |
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:11:02 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 4/12/20 8:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh? He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The "facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a day. Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it. Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600% in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to recommending them for anyone in public. Those are politically knee jerks, not science. Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag" on his face. Not quite that bad Greg. The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*. The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to 84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC recommendations precisely. Apparently science doesn't mesh with Greg's loonytarian preference of doing nothing. There is not much "science" in these "do rag" masks. They are certainly more than useless without any kind of sterile protocol in place. Stuffing a dirty rag in your pocket that has been collecting whatever was in the air and then reusing it contaminates your hands, your pocket and anything else you put in your pocket. They did an interesting demonstration here using U/V powder and the mask wearing little blonde news girl glowed like a christmas tree after an hour of typical activity, including under her mask. |
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 13:10:42 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:
Wrote in message: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...=youtu.beFauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn outto be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Fauci is just reacting to the available data. In the beginning there was just models. You should wish that your mind will be as sharp and flexable when you reach his age. I understand the position Fauci is in but the flaw is having him on TV a couple hours a day shooting from the hip on a situation that is changing this fast. I suppose he is lucky the press isn't calling him a liar too. |
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 18:36:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...=youtu.beFauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn outto be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Fauci is just reacting to the available data. In the beginning there was just models. You should wish that your mind will be as sharp and flexable when you reach his age. What no one is saying, is no matter what the curve, the area below the curve is the same. True, If you are 80 with COPD, this is as likely to kill you in July as it is now. |
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:06:45 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:14:11 -0400, John wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 21:57:54 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh? He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The "facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a day. Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it. Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600% in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to recommending them for anyone in public. Those are politically knee jerks, not science. Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag" on his face. You are sounding much like CNN. There was a very high, non-mitigation estimate, and a much lower estimate with mitigation. As Spain and Italy were used as inputs, the output was high. Adjustments have been made based upon actual US data and we see the result. Of course, you knew that. I knew that the demographic and geography made them bad models if that is what you mean. As it turns out, you were correct. But so were they when they modified the model. You start with what you have. I've seen no recommendations for surgeons to wear home made facemasks. The purpose of the facemask for the public is to contain the virus if one is a carrier. A cloth mask, although not perfect, is much better than no mask. Common sense says that. The thing that is flawed is it makes the mask wearer much more likely to be infected unless they follow a far stricter protocol than simply stuffing the rag in their pocket between wearings. It becomes a very effective vector for the virus. Fauci and the experts used to say that In this case, the purpose of the public wearing the mask is so carriers will not spread the virus as much. The wearer of the mask is not the one being protected, although there may be some little protection. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:20:55 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:34:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh? He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The "facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a day. Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it. Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600% in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to recommending them for anyone in public. Those are politically knee jerks, not science. Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag" on his face. Not quite that bad Greg. The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*. The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to 84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC recommendations precisely. Since we are all likely to get it eventually, the only thing I see this doing is "flattening the curve" and not having it all happen at once, They pretty much say that too. It is unlikely a vaccine will be here before this thing runs it' initial course. This curve is likely to look more like a decreasing sine wave as the virus waxes and wanes through society ... assuming we stay locked down and start venturing out over time. Good, you see the purpose - flattening the curve. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:25:24 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:11:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/12/20 8:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh? He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The "facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a day. Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it. Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600% in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to recommending them for anyone in public. Those are politically knee jerks, not science. Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag" on his face. Not quite that bad Greg. The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*. The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to 84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC recommendations precisely. Apparently science doesn't mesh with Greg's loonytarian preference of doing nothing. There is not much "science" in these "do rag" masks. They are certainly more than useless without any kind of sterile protocol in place. Stuffing a dirty rag in your pocket that has been collecting whatever was in the air and then reusing it contaminates your hands, your pocket and anything else you put in your pocket. They did an interesting demonstration here using U/V powder and the mask wearing little blonde news girl glowed like a christmas tree after an hour of typical activity, including under her mask. Dipping them in a solution of clorox and water solves that problem. Even gives the wearer some clean hands. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:29:07 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 18:36:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...=youtu.beFauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn outto be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Fauci is just reacting to the available data. In the beginning there was just models. You should wish that your mind will be as sharp and flexable when you reach his age. What no one is saying, is no matter what the curve, the area below the curve is the same. True, If you are 80 with COPD, this is as likely to kill you in July as it is now. Keep your fingers crossed for a 'cure' of some sort. https://nypost.com/2020/04/11/doctor...drug-cocktail/ -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 18:36:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...=youtu.beFauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn outto be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Fauci is just reacting to the available data. In the beginning there was just models. You should wish that your mind will be as sharp and flexable when you reach his age. What no one is saying, is no matter what the curve, the area below the curve is the same. === That's not necessarily true. If an effective treatment or vaccine comes along, the tail of the distribution curve will be trimmed at some point. Only if a vaccine. If it is just infection, then pretty much the same area. |
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 15:48:01 -0400,
wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 18:36:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...=youtu.beFauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn outto be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Fauci is just reacting to the available data. In the beginning there was just models. You should wish that your mind will be as sharp and flexable when you reach his age. What no one is saying, is no matter what the curve, the area below the curve is the same. === That's not necessarily true. If an effective treatment or vaccine comes along, the tail of the distribution curve will be trimmed at some point. Unless they skip the clinical and animal trials, that will be over a year from now. I doubt we can hide that long. |
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:32:21 -0400, John wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:06:45 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:14:11 -0400, John wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 21:57:54 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh? He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The "facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a day. Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it. Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600% in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to recommending them for anyone in public. Those are politically knee jerks, not science. Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag" on his face. You are sounding much like CNN. There was a very high, non-mitigation estimate, and a much lower estimate with mitigation. As Spain and Italy were used as inputs, the output was high. Adjustments have been made based upon actual US data and we see the result. Of course, you knew that. I knew that the demographic and geography made them bad models if that is what you mean. As it turns out, you were correct. But so were they when they modified the model. You start with what you have. I've seen no recommendations for surgeons to wear home made facemasks. The purpose of the facemask for the public is to contain the virus if one is a carrier. A cloth mask, although not perfect, is much better than no mask. Common sense says that. The thing that is flawed is it makes the mask wearer much more likely to be infected unless they follow a far stricter protocol than simply stuffing the rag in their pocket between wearings. It becomes a very effective vector for the virus. Fauci and the experts used to say that In this case, the purpose of the public wearing the mask is so carriers will not spread the virus as much. The wearer of the mask is not the one being protected, although there may be some little protection. It is still more of a feel good gesture than a real panacea unless the public gets a whole lot better at the protocols than the girl on the news. She was wearing a mask and gloves and within an hour she was coated with the U/V powder used to simulate germs. She was leaving a trail behind her along with being infected herself. I did learn one thing. Washing your hands is only half of it. Wash your face too. This girl had contamination on her face could quickly be spread to her sinuses after she had washed her hands and taken off the mask. If you are serious about this, you almost need to be using "clean room" protocols. OTOH at my age, I am not supposed to be infected asymptomatically. It is supposed to knock my dick in the dirt right away ... if you can believe what you hear. |
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:33:55 -0400, John wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:20:55 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:34:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh? He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The "facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a day. Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it. Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600% in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to recommending them for anyone in public. Those are politically knee jerks, not science. Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag" on his face. Not quite that bad Greg. The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*. The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to 84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC recommendations precisely. Since we are all likely to get it eventually, the only thing I see this doing is "flattening the curve" and not having it all happen at once, They pretty much say that too. It is unlikely a vaccine will be here before this thing runs it' initial course. This curve is likely to look more like a decreasing sine wave as the virus waxes and wanes through society ... assuming we stay locked down and start venturing out over time. Good, you see the purpose - flattening the curve. It still doesn't change your chances of being infected and at our age, dying. It just prolongs the suspense. |
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:35:22 -0400, John wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:25:24 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:11:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/12/20 8:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh? He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The "facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a day. Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it. Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600% in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to recommending them for anyone in public. Those are politically knee jerks, not science. Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag" on his face. Not quite that bad Greg. The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*. The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to 84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC recommendations precisely. Apparently science doesn't mesh with Greg's loonytarian preference of doing nothing. There is not much "science" in these "do rag" masks. They are certainly more than useless without any kind of sterile protocol in place. Stuffing a dirty rag in your pocket that has been collecting whatever was in the air and then reusing it contaminates your hands, your pocket and anything else you put in your pocket. They did an interesting demonstration here using U/V powder and the mask wearing little blonde news girl glowed like a christmas tree after an hour of typical activity, including under her mask. Dipping them in a solution of clorox and water solves that problem. Even gives the wearer some clean hands. That is great if you only go one place a day and you have time for it to dry between wearings. In her case it was more about what she did after she took it off. Actually I have been thinking about this and looking at my stash of Costco stuff. I turned up a 240 pack of deluxe paper dinner napkins. I think if you used alligator clips and rubber bands, fold these over once and used that for a mask, (the size seems good) you could chuck it and start with a fresh one every time. I may put some in a zip bag and keep them in the car in case we do go to a mandatory mask thing but I am certainly not reusing them. I would still scrub up before and after wearing it and be really careful getting it off and into the trash. By the standard, an N-95 is supposed to catch 95% of anything bigger than 0.3 microns. I wonder what 6 layers of that napkin material would stop. It is certainly a lot more than an old, washed 100 times T shirt. I think I would grind fiberglass with it if I could get a tighter fit to my face. I do still have some N-95s here tho and I am saving them for tasks like that. I am way more afraid of emphysema or VOCs than Covid. |
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On 4/12/2020 8:57 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:33:55 -0400, John wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:20:55 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:34:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh? He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The "facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a day. Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it. Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600% in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to recommending them for anyone in public. Those are politically knee jerks, not science. Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag" on his face. Not quite that bad Greg. The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*. The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to 84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC recommendations precisely. Since we are all likely to get it eventually, the only thing I see this doing is "flattening the curve" and not having it all happen at once, They pretty much say that too. It is unlikely a vaccine will be here before this thing runs it' initial course. This curve is likely to look more like a decreasing sine wave as the virus waxes and wanes through society ... assuming we stay locked down and start venturing out over time. Good, you see the purpose - flattening the curve. It still doesn't change your chances of being infected and at our age, dying. It just prolongs the suspense. That's true. I think there has been so much talk about rates going down, etc. that the concept of "flattening the curve" has been forgotten. When the curve is flattened, all it does is extend it over a greater period of time. The original idea was to prevent hospitals from becoming overwhelmed. In that respect, it has worked. I've been charting the number of confirmed cases in Plymouth County with a population of approx. 500K. On March 1st there were no confirmed cases. This morning there are 2024. The slope continues to go up at the same rate it has for the past 2 weeks. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:55:47 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:32:21 -0400, John wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:06:45 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:14:11 -0400, John wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 21:57:54 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh? He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The "facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a day. Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it. Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600% in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to recommending them for anyone in public. Those are politically knee jerks, not science. Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag" on his face. You are sounding much like CNN. There was a very high, non-mitigation estimate, and a much lower estimate with mitigation. As Spain and Italy were used as inputs, the output was high. Adjustments have been made based upon actual US data and we see the result. Of course, you knew that. I knew that the demographic and geography made them bad models if that is what you mean. As it turns out, you were correct. But so were they when they modified the model. You start with what you have. I've seen no recommendations for surgeons to wear home made facemasks. The purpose of the facemask for the public is to contain the virus if one is a carrier. A cloth mask, although not perfect, is much better than no mask. Common sense says that. The thing that is flawed is it makes the mask wearer much more likely to be infected unless they follow a far stricter protocol than simply stuffing the rag in their pocket between wearings. It becomes a very effective vector for the virus. Fauci and the experts used to say that In this case, the purpose of the public wearing the mask is so carriers will not spread the virus as much. The wearer of the mask is not the one being protected, although there may be some little protection. It is still more of a feel good gesture than a real panacea unless the public gets a whole lot better at the protocols than the girl on the news. She was wearing a mask and gloves and within an hour she was coated with the U/V powder used to simulate germs. She was leaving a trail behind her along with being infected herself. I did learn one thing. Washing your hands is only half of it. Wash your face too. This girl had contamination on her face could quickly be spread to her sinuses after she had washed her hands and taken off the mask. If you are serious about this, you almost need to be using "clean room" protocols. OTOH at my age, I am not supposed to be infected asymptomatically. It is supposed to knock my dick in the dirt right away ... if you can believe what you hear. Again, you missed the point. Wearing the mask is to protect others, not yourself. She should have started with a mouthfull of the powder and blown it through the mask. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:57:02 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:33:55 -0400, John wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:20:55 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:34:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh? He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The "facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a day. Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it. Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600% in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to recommending them for anyone in public. Those are politically knee jerks, not science. Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag" on his face. Not quite that bad Greg. The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*. The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to 84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC recommendations precisely. Since we are all likely to get it eventually, the only thing I see this doing is "flattening the curve" and not having it all happen at once, They pretty much say that too. It is unlikely a vaccine will be here before this thing runs it' initial course. This curve is likely to look more like a decreasing sine wave as the virus waxes and wanes through society ... assuming we stay locked down and start venturing out over time. Good, you see the purpose - flattening the curve. It still doesn't change your chances of being infected and at our age, dying. It just prolongs the suspense. Which is why I said early on that I'd as soon catch it quickly, before the hospitals got full! -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On 4/13/2020 7:45 AM, John wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:57:02 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:33:55 -0400, John wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:20:55 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:34:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh? He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The "facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a day. Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it. Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600% in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to recommending them for anyone in public. Those are politically knee jerks, not science. Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag" on his face. Not quite that bad Greg. The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*. The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to 84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC recommendations precisely. Since we are all likely to get it eventually, the only thing I see this doing is "flattening the curve" and not having it all happen at once, They pretty much say that too. It is unlikely a vaccine will be here before this thing runs it' initial course. This curve is likely to look more like a decreasing sine wave as the virus waxes and wanes through society ... assuming we stay locked down and start venturing out over time. Good, you see the purpose - flattening the curve. It still doesn't change your chances of being infected and at our age, dying. It just prolongs the suspense. Which is why I said early on that I'd as soon catch it quickly, before the hospitals got full! -- Freedom Isn't Free! It's depressing to realize that once this is all over and assuming those who became infected and recovered have a degree of immunity (although not 100% confirmed) that us old farts who locked ourselves up in isolation to avoid becoming infected will be the ones who remain most at risk. We may need to hibernate for a long, long time. :-) -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 21:09:31 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:35:22 -0400, John wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:25:24 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 10:11:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/12/20 8:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh? He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The "facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a day. Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it. Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600% in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to recommending them for anyone in public. Those are politically knee jerks, not science. Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag" on his face. Not quite that bad Greg. The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*. The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to 84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC recommendations precisely. Apparently science doesn't mesh with Greg's loonytarian preference of doing nothing. There is not much "science" in these "do rag" masks. They are certainly more than useless without any kind of sterile protocol in place. Stuffing a dirty rag in your pocket that has been collecting whatever was in the air and then reusing it contaminates your hands, your pocket and anything else you put in your pocket. They did an interesting demonstration here using U/V powder and the mask wearing little blonde news girl glowed like a christmas tree after an hour of typical activity, including under her mask. Dipping them in a solution of clorox and water solves that problem. Even gives the wearer some clean hands. That is great if you only go one place a day and you have time for it to dry between wearings. In her case it was more about what she did after she took it off. I'm thinking most of us go somewhere much less than once a day! Besides, the masks are easy to make with a sewing machine and the patterns from John Hopkins. My wife has made about a dozen and sent half to my daughter, the physical therapist. Actually I have been thinking about this and looking at my stash of Costco stuff. I turned up a 240 pack of deluxe paper dinner napkins. I think if you used alligator clips and rubber bands, fold these over once and used that for a mask, (the size seems good) you could chuck it and start with a fresh one every time. I may put some in a zip bag and keep them in the car in case we do go to a mandatory mask thing but I am certainly not reusing them. I would still scrub up before and after wearing it and be really careful getting it off and into the trash. By the standard, an N-95 is supposed to catch 95% of anything bigger than 0.3 microns. I wonder what 6 layers of that napkin material would stop. It is certainly a lot more than an old, washed 100 times T shirt. I think I would grind fiberglass with it if I could get a tighter fit to my face. I do still have some N-95s here tho and I am saving them for tasks like that. I am way more afraid of emphysema or VOCs than Covid. Better than nothing, I'd say. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:05:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 4/13/2020 7:45 AM, John wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:57:02 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:33:55 -0400, John wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:20:55 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:34:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh? He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The "facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a day. Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it. Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600% in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to recommending them for anyone in public. Those are politically knee jerks, not science. Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag" on his face. Not quite that bad Greg. The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*. The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to 84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC recommendations precisely. Since we are all likely to get it eventually, the only thing I see this doing is "flattening the curve" and not having it all happen at once, They pretty much say that too. It is unlikely a vaccine will be here before this thing runs it' initial course. This curve is likely to look more like a decreasing sine wave as the virus waxes and wanes through society ... assuming we stay locked down and start venturing out over time. Good, you see the purpose - flattening the curve. It still doesn't change your chances of being infected and at our age, dying. It just prolongs the suspense. Which is why I said early on that I'd as soon catch it quickly, before the hospitals got full! -- Freedom Isn't Free! It's depressing to realize that once this is all over and assuming those who became infected and recovered have a degree of immunity (although not 100% confirmed) that us old farts who locked ourselves up in isolation to avoid becoming infected will be the ones who remain most at risk. We may need to hibernate for a long, long time. :-) That's the truth. I'm supposed to fly to Seattle in July for a wedding. Already paid for five tickets. I'm having serious second thoughts about that trip. I'd really hate to get out there, come down with the virus, and spend time in a hospital there. United will allow rescheduling the trip up to a year from the date the tickets were purchased. We'll see, I reckon. Also have a trip to Seattle planned for August. Motorcycle ride with my brother. Having qualms about that one also. Alaska Air has the same rules as United. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On 4/13/2020 8:18 AM, John wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:05:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/13/2020 7:45 AM, John wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:57:02 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:33:55 -0400, John wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:20:55 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:34:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh? He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The "facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a day. Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it. Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600% in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to recommending them for anyone in public. Those are politically knee jerks, not science. Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag" on his face. Not quite that bad Greg. The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*. The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to 84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC recommendations precisely. Since we are all likely to get it eventually, the only thing I see this doing is "flattening the curve" and not having it all happen at once, They pretty much say that too. It is unlikely a vaccine will be here before this thing runs it' initial course. This curve is likely to look more like a decreasing sine wave as the virus waxes and wanes through society ... assuming we stay locked down and start venturing out over time. Good, you see the purpose - flattening the curve. It still doesn't change your chances of being infected and at our age, dying. It just prolongs the suspense. Which is why I said early on that I'd as soon catch it quickly, before the hospitals got full! -- Freedom Isn't Free! It's depressing to realize that once this is all over and assuming those who became infected and recovered have a degree of immunity (although not 100% confirmed) that us old farts who locked ourselves up in isolation to avoid becoming infected will be the ones who remain most at risk. We may need to hibernate for a long, long time. :-) That's the truth. I'm supposed to fly to Seattle in July for a wedding. Already paid for five tickets. I'm having serious second thoughts about that trip. I'd really hate to get out there, come down with the virus, and spend time in a hospital there. United will allow rescheduling the trip up to a year from the date the tickets were purchased. We'll see, I reckon. Also have a trip to Seattle planned for August. Motorcycle ride with my brother. Having qualms about that one also. Alaska Air has the same rules as United. Probably too early to tell but I have a hunch we'll still be dealing with this for quite a while. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On 4/13/20 8:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/13/2020 8:18 AM, John wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:05:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/13/2020 7:45 AM, John wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:57:02 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:33:55 -0400, John wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:20:55 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:34:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh? He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The "facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a day. Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it. Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600% in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to recommending them for anyone in public. Those are politically knee jerks, not science. Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag" on his face. Not quite that bad Greg. The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*. The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to 84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC recommendations precisely. Since we are all likely to get it eventually, the only thing I see this doing is "flattening the curve" and not having it all happen at once, They pretty much say that too. It is unlikely a vaccine will be here before this thing runs it' initial course. This curve is likely to look more like a decreasing sine wave as the virus waxes and wanes through society ... assuming we stay locked down and start venturing out over time. Good, you see the purpose - flattening the curve. It still doesn't change your chances of being infected and at our age, dying. It just prolongs the suspense. Which is why I said early on that I'd as soon catch it quickly, before the hospitals got full! -- Freedom Isn't Free! It's depressing to realize that once this is all over and assuming those who became infected and recovered have a degree of immunity (although not 100% confirmed) that us old farts who locked ourselves up in isolation to avoid becoming infected will be the ones who remain most at risk. We may need to hibernate for a long, long time.Â* :-) That's the truth. I'm supposed to fly to Seattle in July for a wedding. Already paid for five tickets. I'm having serious second thoughts about that trip. I'd really hate to get out there, come down with the virus, and spend time in a hospital there. United will allow rescheduling the trip up to a year from the date the tickets were purchased. We'll see, I reckon. Also have a trip to Seattle planned for August. Motorcycle ride with my brother. Having qualms about that one also. Alaska Air has the same rules as United. Probably too early to tell but I have a hunch we'll still be dealing with this for quite a while. I was able to bail out of an airline trip to Texas and my wife was able to bail out of a trip to Florida. Meetings in both cases were cancelled. Airline offered us an upgrade with a delay good for a year, but we passed on that and got refunds. -- For the survival of this country, it is vitally important for all of us to successfully associate the substantial harm wreaked by COVID-19 with Trump and thereby defeat him in the fall election. |
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:30:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 4/13/2020 8:18 AM, John wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:05:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/13/2020 7:45 AM, John wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:57:02 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:33:55 -0400, John wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:20:55 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:34:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh? He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The "facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a day. Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it. Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600% in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to recommending them for anyone in public. Those are politically knee jerks, not science. Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag" on his face. Not quite that bad Greg. The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*. The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to 84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC recommendations precisely. Since we are all likely to get it eventually, the only thing I see this doing is "flattening the curve" and not having it all happen at once, They pretty much say that too. It is unlikely a vaccine will be here before this thing runs it' initial course. This curve is likely to look more like a decreasing sine wave as the virus waxes and wanes through society ... assuming we stay locked down and start venturing out over time. Good, you see the purpose - flattening the curve. It still doesn't change your chances of being infected and at our age, dying. It just prolongs the suspense. Which is why I said early on that I'd as soon catch it quickly, before the hospitals got full! -- Freedom Isn't Free! It's depressing to realize that once this is all over and assuming those who became infected and recovered have a degree of immunity (although not 100% confirmed) that us old farts who locked ourselves up in isolation to avoid becoming infected will be the ones who remain most at risk. We may need to hibernate for a long, long time. :-) That's the truth. I'm supposed to fly to Seattle in July for a wedding. Already paid for five tickets. I'm having serious second thoughts about that trip. I'd really hate to get out there, come down with the virus, and spend time in a hospital there. United will allow rescheduling the trip up to a year from the date the tickets were purchased. We'll see, I reckon. Also have a trip to Seattle planned for August. Motorcycle ride with my brother. Having qualms about that one also. Alaska Air has the same rules as United. Probably too early to tell but I have a hunch we'll still be dealing with this for quite a while. That's what I'm afraid of. Unless there's some tremendous breakthrough in a treatment, I doubt I'll be flying for a while. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On 4/13/2020 8:41 AM, John wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:30:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/13/2020 8:18 AM, John wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:05:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/13/2020 7:45 AM, John wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:57:02 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:33:55 -0400, John wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:20:55 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:34:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh? He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The "facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a day. Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it. Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600% in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to recommending them for anyone in public. Those are politically knee jerks, not science. Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag" on his face. Not quite that bad Greg. The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*. The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to 84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC recommendations precisely. Since we are all likely to get it eventually, the only thing I see this doing is "flattening the curve" and not having it all happen at once, They pretty much say that too. It is unlikely a vaccine will be here before this thing runs it' initial course. This curve is likely to look more like a decreasing sine wave as the virus waxes and wanes through society ... assuming we stay locked down and start venturing out over time. Good, you see the purpose - flattening the curve. It still doesn't change your chances of being infected and at our age, dying. It just prolongs the suspense. Which is why I said early on that I'd as soon catch it quickly, before the hospitals got full! -- Freedom Isn't Free! It's depressing to realize that once this is all over and assuming those who became infected and recovered have a degree of immunity (although not 100% confirmed) that us old farts who locked ourselves up in isolation to avoid becoming infected will be the ones who remain most at risk. We may need to hibernate for a long, long time. :-) That's the truth. I'm supposed to fly to Seattle in July for a wedding. Already paid for five tickets. I'm having serious second thoughts about that trip. I'd really hate to get out there, come down with the virus, and spend time in a hospital there. United will allow rescheduling the trip up to a year from the date the tickets were purchased. We'll see, I reckon. Also have a trip to Seattle planned for August. Motorcycle ride with my brother. Having qualms about that one also. Alaska Air has the same rules as United. Probably too early to tell but I have a hunch we'll still be dealing with this for quite a while. That's what I'm afraid of. Unless there's some tremendous breakthrough in a treatment, I doubt I'll be flying for a while. Here's hoping for an effective treatment. Otherwise, as the majority of the country starts to come alive again, our percentage of the population are going to become very frustrated. Apparently some of the medications that Trump has been advocating are showing promise. I'd hate to think we all need to hibernate for 12-18 months awaiting a vaccine. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 8:31:06 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/13/2020 8:18 AM, John wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:05:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/13/2020 7:45 AM, John wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:57:02 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:33:55 -0400, John wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:20:55 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:34:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh? He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The "facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a day. Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it. Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600% in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to recommending them for anyone in public. Those are politically knee jerks, not science. Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag" on his face. Not quite that bad Greg. The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*. The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to 84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC recommendations precisely. Since we are all likely to get it eventually, the only thing I see this doing is "flattening the curve" and not having it all happen at once, They pretty much say that too. It is unlikely a vaccine will be here before this thing runs it' initial course. This curve is likely to look more like a decreasing sine wave as the virus waxes and wanes through society ... assuming we stay locked down and start venturing out over time. Good, you see the purpose - flattening the curve. It still doesn't change your chances of being infected and at our age, dying. It just prolongs the suspense. Which is why I said early on that I'd as soon catch it quickly, before the hospitals got full! -- Freedom Isn't Free! It's depressing to realize that once this is all over and assuming those who became infected and recovered have a degree of immunity (although not 100% confirmed) that us old farts who locked ourselves up in isolation to avoid becoming infected will be the ones who remain most at risk. We may need to hibernate for a long, long time. :-) That's the truth. I'm supposed to fly to Seattle in July for a wedding. Already paid for five tickets. I'm having serious second thoughts about that trip. I'd really hate to get out there, come down with the virus, and spend time in a hospital there. United will allow rescheduling the trip up to a year from the date the tickets were purchased. We'll see, I reckon. Also have a trip to Seattle planned for August. Motorcycle ride with my brother. Having qualms about that one also. Alaska Air has the same rules as United. Probably too early to tell but I have a hunch we'll still be dealing with this for quite a while. The social distancing was/is to flatten the curve. To stretch out the infection over a longer period of time, as you have pointed out. So now Fauci, who said on Jan 26th that the US didn't need to worry about Corona, is backtracking and saying that earlier distancing would have saved lives. This guy seems to be in political cover-his-ass mode. |
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On 4/13/2020 9:10 AM, Its Me wrote:
The social distancing was/is to flatten the curve. To stretch out the infection over a longer period of time, as you have pointed out. So now Fauci, who said on Jan 26th that the US didn't need to worry about Corona, is backtracking and saying that earlier distancing would have saved lives. This guy seems to be in political cover-his-ass mode. I don't know if he's trying to cover his ass or not. My impression of him is that he just analyzes data through the myopic view of a scientist. I came across a timeline written by someone else that I think is a fair historical summary of the early stages of all this. Plenty of mistakes were made: ------------------------------------------- Dec. 1: The first known patient Dec. 30: Dr. Li Wenliang, at Wuhan Central Hospital, warned colleagues about a cluster of patients being treated for viral pneumonia Dec. 31: China alerted the WHO of a spate of illnesses in Wuhan, China. Jan. 1: China shut down the Huanan Wholesale Seafood Market in Wuhan. Jan. 10: The genetic sequence of the isolated coronavirus was shared. Jan. 11: The first death was reported. Jan 14: (WHO) repeated China’s claim that coronavirus was not contagious among humans Jan. 20: The first human-to-human transmission was reported by a Chinese expert. Jan 22: Trump said, "we have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine." Jan 23: Chinese authorities implemented a strict nationwide travel ban, but allowed International flights. Jan 24: Bill de Blasio said, “We urge all New Yorkers to continue to pursue their everyday activities and routines†Jan 25: Good Morning America: "People should be more concerned right now with the flu in this country." Jan 26: New York City’s health commissioner, Dr. Oxiris Barbot said, “We are encouraging New Yorkers to go about their everyday lives... those “who had recently traveled from Wuhan were not being urged to self-quarantine or avoid large public gatherings.†Jan. 30: The WHO declared a public health emergency of international concern. Feb 1: President Trump instilled China travel ban. New York City had its first suspected case of coronavirus. Feb 2: NYC health commissioner Bardot “As we gear up to celebrate the Lunar New Year in NYC, I want to assure New Yorkers that there is no reason for anyone to change their holiday plans, avoid the subway, or certain parts of the city because of coronavirus.†Feb 4: China’s consul general in New York, Huang Ping, thanked the Chinese-American community and other concerned Americans on Tuesday for their aid in battling the coronavirus outbreak, and criticized what he described as “an overreaction by the American government in severely restricting travel to and from China.†Feb 5: New York Times "Who says it's not safe to travel to China? The coronavirus travel ban is unjust and doesn't work anyway." NYC Health Commissioner Barbot on Twitter, “Today our city is celebrating the Lunar New Year parade in Chinatown... I want to remind everyone to enjoy the parade and not change any plans due to misinformation spreading about coronavirus.†Feb 6: Bardot: “The important thing for New Yorkers to know is that in the city currently, their risk is low and our city preparedness is high...We’re telling New Yorkers, go about your lives, take the subway, go out, enjoy life. . . If it were likely that it could be transmitted casually, we would be seeing a lot more cases.†Feb 9: Chinatown in New York City held its annual Lunar New Year parade. Surgical masks were nearly absent from this parade. Councilman Mark D. Levine on Twitter, “In powerful show of defiance of coronavirus scare, huge crowds gathering in NYC’s Chinatown for ceremony ahead of annual Lunar New Year parade. Chants of ‘Be Strong Wuhan!’ If you are staying away, you are missing out.†Feb 12: The House Judiciary Committee on voted, 22-10, to terminate President Trump's expanded travel ban and rein in presidential authority to issue such travel restrictions. Feb 13: New York City Council speaker Corey Johnson “It is important to support the Chinese community in New York City...There is no need to avoid public spaces. I urge everyone to dine and shop as usual.†Bill de Blasio: "This should not stop you from going about your life. It should not stop you from going to Chinatown and going out to eat. I am going to do that today myself.†Feb 25: Dr. Anthony Fauci “You need to do nothing different than you’re already doing" Feb. 26: In a press conference, President Trump said the risk to Americans remains low. Feb 28: A German team of doctors in Wuhan, China, “we discovered that shedding of potentially infectious virus may occur in persons who have no fever and no signs or only minor signs of infection.†Feb 29: The Food and Drug Administration declared that other labs besides their own could develop their own coronavirus tests. March 1: Health officials announced the first confirmed case in New York. March 2: Governor Andrew Cuomo: “In this situation, the facts defeat fear, because the reality is reassuring... The woman who has now tested positive, she’s at home, she’s not even in a hospital, so the perspective here is important. And the facts, once you know the facts, once you know the reality, it is reassuring, and we should relax, because that’s what’s dictated by the reality of the situation. I get the emotion, I understand; I understand the anxiety. I’m a native-born New Yorker, we live with anxiety. But the facts don’t back it up here. . . . What happened in other countries versus what happened here, we don’t even think it’s going to be as bad as it was in other countries.†-- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 06:10:47 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote:
On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 8:31:06 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/13/2020 8:18 AM, John wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:05:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/13/2020 7:45 AM, John wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:57:02 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:33:55 -0400, John wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:20:55 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:34:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh? He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The "facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a day. Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it. Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600% in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to recommending them for anyone in public. Those are politically knee jerks, not science. Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag" on his face. Not quite that bad Greg. The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*. The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to 84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC recommendations precisely. Since we are all likely to get it eventually, the only thing I see this doing is "flattening the curve" and not having it all happen at once, They pretty much say that too. It is unlikely a vaccine will be here before this thing runs it' initial course. This curve is likely to look more like a decreasing sine wave as the virus waxes and wanes through society ... assuming we stay locked down and start venturing out over time. Good, you see the purpose - flattening the curve. It still doesn't change your chances of being infected and at our age, dying. It just prolongs the suspense. Which is why I said early on that I'd as soon catch it quickly, before the hospitals got full! -- Freedom Isn't Free! It's depressing to realize that once this is all over and assuming those who became infected and recovered have a degree of immunity (although not 100% confirmed) that us old farts who locked ourselves up in isolation to avoid becoming infected will be the ones who remain most at risk. We may need to hibernate for a long, long time. :-) That's the truth. I'm supposed to fly to Seattle in July for a wedding. Already paid for five tickets. I'm having serious second thoughts about that trip. I'd really hate to get out there, come down with the virus, and spend time in a hospital there. United will allow rescheduling the trip up to a year from the date the tickets were purchased. We'll see, I reckon. Also have a trip to Seattle planned for August. Motorcycle ride with my brother. Having qualms about that one also. Alaska Air has the same rules as United. Probably too early to tell but I have a hunch we'll still be dealing with this for quite a while. The social distancing was/is to flatten the curve. To stretch out the infection over a longer period of time, as you have pointed out. So now Fauci, who said on Jan 26th that the US didn't need to worry about Corona, is backtracking and saying that earlier distancing would have saved lives. This guy seems to be in political cover-his-ass mode. Perhaps he was listening to the 'on the spot' gurus from the WHO. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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