On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 13:27:24 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 07:44:41 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:55:47 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:32:21 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:06:45 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:14:11 -0400, John wrote:

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 21:57:54 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it.

Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag"
on his face.

You are sounding much like CNN. There was a very high, non-mitigation estimate,
and a much lower estimate with mitigation. As Spain and Italy were used as
inputs, the output was high. Adjustments have been made based upon actual US
data and we see the result.

Of course, you knew that.

I knew that the demographic and geography made them bad models if that
is what you mean.

As it turns out, you were correct. But so were they when they modified the
model. You start with what you have.


I've seen no recommendations for surgeons to wear home made facemasks. The
purpose of the facemask for the public is to contain the virus if one is a
carrier. A cloth mask, although not perfect, is much better than no mask. Common
sense says that.

The thing that is flawed is it makes the mask wearer much more likely
to be infected unless they follow a far stricter protocol than simply
stuffing the rag in their pocket between wearings. It becomes a very
effective vector for the virus.
Fauci and the experts used to say that

In this case, the purpose of the public wearing the mask is so carriers will not
spread the virus as much. The wearer of the mask is not the one being protected,
although there may be some little protection.

It is still more of a feel good gesture than a real panacea unless the
public gets a whole lot better at the protocols than the girl on the
news. She was wearing a mask and gloves and within an hour she was
coated with the U/V powder used to simulate germs. She was leaving a
trail behind her along with being infected herself.
I did learn one thing. Washing your hands is only half of it. Wash
your face too. This girl had contamination on her face could quickly
be spread to her sinuses after she had washed her hands and taken off
the mask.
If you are serious about this, you almost need to be using "clean
room" protocols.

OTOH at my age, I am not supposed to be infected asymptomatically. It
is supposed to knock my dick in the dirt right away ... if you can
believe what you hear.

Again, you missed the point. Wearing the mask is to protect others, not
yourself.

She should have started with a mouthfull of the powder and blown it through the
mask.

If this is just an old T shirt, plenty would have come through. There
would certainly be enough to contaminate the entire mask, inside and
out..Corona virus is smaller than 0.3 micron.

Since most of the infection is hand to mouth, simply having it on her
hands is plenty to spread the infection and handling a dirty mask all
day will do that.
Gloves are even dumber. If the gloves are infected, so is everything
you touch. The virus may live on the glove longer than it would have
on your bare hand. (impervious surface).
Again, in a truly sterile hospital setting, the glove is used once,
carefully removed and thrown away. People are shoving their dirty
gloves in the same pocket as their dirty mask.
These are just things people are doing to think they are doing
something good and in most cases it is exactly the opposite.

I have yet to see anyone do that. Do you see a lot of that where you live? It
wouldn't take a lot of common sense to dispose of the gloves properly.
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 13:20:19 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/13/20 1:18 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 04:56:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/12/2020 8:57 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:33:55 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:20:55 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:34:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/11/2020 9:57 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it.



Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag"
on his face.


Not quite that bad Greg.

The estimate of 2.3 million deaths was based on doing *nothing*.

The estimates of up to 240K deaths which was reduced first to
84K and then to 60K are based on everyone following the CDC
recommendations precisely.

Since we are all likely to get it eventually, the only thing I see
this doing is "flattening the curve" and not having it all happen at
once, They pretty much say that too. It is unlikely a vaccine will be
here before this thing runs it' initial course. This curve is likely
to look more like a decreasing sine wave as the virus waxes and wanes
through society ... assuming we stay locked down and start venturing
out over time.



Good, you see the purpose - flattening the curve.

It still doesn't change your chances of being infected and at our age,
dying. It just prolongs the suspense.


That's true. I think there has been so much talk about rates going
down, etc. that the concept of "flattening the curve" has been forgotten.

When the curve is flattened, all it does is extend it over a
greater period of time. The original idea was to prevent hospitals
from becoming overwhelmed. In that respect, it has worked.

I've been charting the number of confirmed cases in Plymouth County
with a population of approx. 500K. On March 1st there were no
confirmed cases. This morning there are 2024. The slope continues
to go up at the same rate it has for the past 2 weeks.

I think the "hospital overload" may have been hyped up a bit too. They
brought the hospital ships to NY and LA, they sit largely unoccupied.
The huge field hospitals that were quickly erected seem pretty empty
too. I understand nursing homes and perhaps a few other places with
concentrations of old people can be hot spots but we do seem to be
coping fairly well as soon as you get out of a couple big cities.

There are going to be books written about this and most will be
talking more about irrational panic than the actual illness.
About 3 million people die in the US every year and I doubt the
overall death toll will be that much higher when looked at it
historically. This is not the Spanish Flu. It is more like the Y2K
thing. There was a real problem but it got hyped up far greater than
the actual impact.


Since it is no big deal, I think it would be a hell of a gesture for
your and Mrs. Fretwell to prepare some goody bags and deliver them in
person to nursing homes.

If I thought it was the right thing to do, I wouldn't hesitate to do
it. I am not hugging anyone, I would avoid touching stuff and I would
be using my hand sanitizer but I don't think the chance of infection
is that much more likely than a Carnival Cruise.

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:12:14 -0400, John wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 13:27:24 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 07:44:41 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:55:47 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:32:21 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:06:45 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:14:11 -0400, John wrote:

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 21:57:54 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it.

Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag"
on his face.

You are sounding much like CNN. There was a very high, non-mitigation estimate,
and a much lower estimate with mitigation. As Spain and Italy were used as
inputs, the output was high. Adjustments have been made based upon actual US
data and we see the result.

Of course, you knew that.

I knew that the demographic and geography made them bad models if that
is what you mean.

As it turns out, you were correct. But so were they when they modified the
model. You start with what you have.


I've seen no recommendations for surgeons to wear home made facemasks. The
purpose of the facemask for the public is to contain the virus if one is a
carrier. A cloth mask, although not perfect, is much better than no mask. Common
sense says that.

The thing that is flawed is it makes the mask wearer much more likely
to be infected unless they follow a far stricter protocol than simply
stuffing the rag in their pocket between wearings. It becomes a very
effective vector for the virus.
Fauci and the experts used to say that

In this case, the purpose of the public wearing the mask is so carriers will not
spread the virus as much. The wearer of the mask is not the one being protected,
although there may be some little protection.

It is still more of a feel good gesture than a real panacea unless the
public gets a whole lot better at the protocols than the girl on the
news. She was wearing a mask and gloves and within an hour she was
coated with the U/V powder used to simulate germs. She was leaving a
trail behind her along with being infected herself.
I did learn one thing. Washing your hands is only half of it. Wash
your face too. This girl had contamination on her face could quickly
be spread to her sinuses after she had washed her hands and taken off
the mask.
If you are serious about this, you almost need to be using "clean
room" protocols.

OTOH at my age, I am not supposed to be infected asymptomatically. It
is supposed to knock my dick in the dirt right away ... if you can
believe what you hear.

Again, you missed the point. Wearing the mask is to protect others, not
yourself.

She should have started with a mouthfull of the powder and blown it through the
mask.

If this is just an old T shirt, plenty would have come through. There
would certainly be enough to contaminate the entire mask, inside and
out..Corona virus is smaller than 0.3 micron.

Since most of the infection is hand to mouth, simply having it on her
hands is plenty to spread the infection and handling a dirty mask all
day will do that.
Gloves are even dumber. If the gloves are infected, so is everything
you touch. The virus may live on the glove longer than it would have
on your bare hand. (impervious surface).
Again, in a truly sterile hospital setting, the glove is used once,
carefully removed and thrown away. People are shoving their dirty
gloves in the same pocket as their dirty mask.
These are just things people are doing to think they are doing
something good and in most cases it is exactly the opposite.

I have yet to see anyone do that. Do you see a lot of that where you live? It
wouldn't take a lot of common sense to dispose of the gloves properly.

Are you saying people are only using masks and gloves once and
throwing them away up there?
That does not seem to be what I see. They pull them off and shove them
in their pocket when they get to the car.
I have trouble not breaking out laughing when I watch what people are
doing.

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 19:37:36 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:12:14 -0400, John wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 13:27:24 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 07:44:41 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:55:47 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:32:21 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:06:45 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:14:11 -0400, John wrote:

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 21:57:54 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it.

Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag"
on his face.

You are sounding much like CNN. There was a very high, non-mitigation estimate,
and a much lower estimate with mitigation. As Spain and Italy were used as
inputs, the output was high. Adjustments have been made based upon actual US
data and we see the result.

Of course, you knew that.

I knew that the demographic and geography made them bad models if that
is what you mean.

As it turns out, you were correct. But so were they when they modified the
model. You start with what you have.


I've seen no recommendations for surgeons to wear home made facemasks. The
purpose of the facemask for the public is to contain the virus if one is a
carrier. A cloth mask, although not perfect, is much better than no mask. Common
sense says that.

The thing that is flawed is it makes the mask wearer much more likely
to be infected unless they follow a far stricter protocol than simply
stuffing the rag in their pocket between wearings. It becomes a very
effective vector for the virus.
Fauci and the experts used to say that

In this case, the purpose of the public wearing the mask is so carriers will not
spread the virus as much. The wearer of the mask is not the one being protected,
although there may be some little protection.

It is still more of a feel good gesture than a real panacea unless the
public gets a whole lot better at the protocols than the girl on the
news. She was wearing a mask and gloves and within an hour she was
coated with the U/V powder used to simulate germs. She was leaving a
trail behind her along with being infected herself.
I did learn one thing. Washing your hands is only half of it. Wash
your face too. This girl had contamination on her face could quickly
be spread to her sinuses after she had washed her hands and taken off
the mask.
If you are serious about this, you almost need to be using "clean
room" protocols.

OTOH at my age, I am not supposed to be infected asymptomatically. It
is supposed to knock my dick in the dirt right away ... if you can
believe what you hear.

Again, you missed the point. Wearing the mask is to protect others, not
yourself.

She should have started with a mouthfull of the powder and blown it through the
mask.

If this is just an old T shirt, plenty would have come through. There
would certainly be enough to contaminate the entire mask, inside and
out..Corona virus is smaller than 0.3 micron.

Since most of the infection is hand to mouth, simply having it on her
hands is plenty to spread the infection and handling a dirty mask all
day will do that.
Gloves are even dumber. If the gloves are infected, so is everything
you touch. The virus may live on the glove longer than it would have
on your bare hand. (impervious surface).
Again, in a truly sterile hospital setting, the glove is used once,
carefully removed and thrown away. People are shoving their dirty
gloves in the same pocket as their dirty mask.
These are just things people are doing to think they are doing
something good and in most cases it is exactly the opposite.

I have yet to see anyone do that. Do you see a lot of that where you live? It
wouldn't take a lot of common sense to dispose of the gloves properly.

Are you saying people are only using masks and gloves once and
throwing them away up there?
That does not seem to be what I see. They pull them off and shove them
in their pocket when they get to the car.
I have trouble not breaking out laughing when I watch what people are
doing.

Actually, I haven't been watching them as you have. I use dog poop bags and
throw them away immediately. They cost a whole three cents each. I don't see
people wearing gloves much, unless they're working in store or carry-out
restaurants. I'd imagine they either rinse them with a clorox solution or throw
them away. I think maybe I give people in general a bit more credit for common
sense than you do.

Perhaps you are experiencing a western Florida thing.
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On 4/13/2020 7:37 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:12:14 -0400, John wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 13:27:24 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 07:44:41 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:55:47 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:32:21 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:06:45 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:14:11 -0400, John wrote:

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 21:57:54 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it.

Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag"
on his face.

You are sounding much like CNN. There was a very high, non-mitigation estimate,
and a much lower estimate with mitigation. As Spain and Italy were used as
inputs, the output was high. Adjustments have been made based upon actual US
data and we see the result.

Of course, you knew that.

I knew that the demographic and geography made them bad models if that
is what you mean.

As it turns out, you were correct. But so were they when they modified the
model. You start with what you have.


I've seen no recommendations for surgeons to wear home made facemasks. The
purpose of the facemask for the public is to contain the virus if one is a
carrier. A cloth mask, although not perfect, is much better than no mask. Common
sense says that.

The thing that is flawed is it makes the mask wearer much more likely
to be infected unless they follow a far stricter protocol than simply
stuffing the rag in their pocket between wearings. It becomes a very
effective vector for the virus.
Fauci and the experts used to say that

In this case, the purpose of the public wearing the mask is so carriers will not
spread the virus as much. The wearer of the mask is not the one being protected,
although there may be some little protection.

It is still more of a feel good gesture than a real panacea unless the
public gets a whole lot better at the protocols than the girl on the
news. She was wearing a mask and gloves and within an hour she was
coated with the U/V powder used to simulate germs. She was leaving a
trail behind her along with being infected herself.
I did learn one thing. Washing your hands is only half of it. Wash
your face too. This girl had contamination on her face could quickly
be spread to her sinuses after she had washed her hands and taken off
the mask.
If you are serious about this, you almost need to be using "clean
room" protocols.

OTOH at my age, I am not supposed to be infected asymptomatically. It
is supposed to knock my dick in the dirt right away ... if you can
believe what you hear.

Again, you missed the point. Wearing the mask is to protect others, not
yourself.

She should have started with a mouthfull of the powder and blown it through the
mask.

If this is just an old T shirt, plenty would have come through. There
would certainly be enough to contaminate the entire mask, inside and
out..Corona virus is smaller than 0.3 micron.

Since most of the infection is hand to mouth, simply having it on her
hands is plenty to spread the infection and handling a dirty mask all
day will do that.
Gloves are even dumber. If the gloves are infected, so is everything
you touch. The virus may live on the glove longer than it would have
on your bare hand. (impervious surface).
Again, in a truly sterile hospital setting, the glove is used once,
carefully removed and thrown away. People are shoving their dirty
gloves in the same pocket as their dirty mask.
These are just things people are doing to think they are doing
something good and in most cases it is exactly the opposite.

I have yet to see anyone do that. Do you see a lot of that where you live? It
wouldn't take a lot of common sense to dispose of the gloves properly.



Are you saying people are only using masks and gloves once and
throwing them away up there?
That does not seem to be what I see. They pull them off and shove them
in their pocket when they get to the car.
I have trouble not breaking out laughing when I watch what people are
doing.


People are trying Greg.

Maybe instead of laughing at them you should instruct them as to
their proper use.

Or maybe you shouldn't. With patience and tempers so short
now-a-days, you may not get the reception you expected.


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On 4/13/20 1:52 PM, wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:34:03 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 4/13/20 11:22 AM, wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:16:12 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/13/2020 10:12 AM, wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:28:04 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 13:10:42 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...=youtu.beFauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn outto be wrong. He might cost them some grant money. Fauci is just reacting to the available data. In the beginning there was just models. You should wish that your mind will be as sharp and flexable when you reach his age. I understand the position Fauci is in but the flaw is having him on TV a couple hours a day shooting from the hip on a situation that is changing this fast. I suppose he is lucky the press isn't calling him a liar too. === I think that people realize he's doing the best he can with the facts available. He doesn't come across as playing politics or distorting reality. The only one the press calls a "liar" is Trump, even if he is giving information that he belives to be true at the time. === Trump's big problem with the press, and many others, is that he comes across as being ignorant and beligerant. It's probably too late in his career to adopt a more thoughtful approach but he should really try once in a while - more listening, less talking and posturing. Ignorance, arrogance, bull****ting, belligerence, finger-pointing, appointing of ass-kissers So when Fauci says it he is just reacting to what he sees at the time but if Trump quotes him he is a ****ing liar ... OK got it. Trump mostly listens to and quotes himself, and he has less scientific background, education, and experience than I do, and I was an English major.-- For the survival of this country, it is vitally important for all of us to successfully associate the substantial harm wreaked by COVID-19 with Trump and thereby defeat him in the fall election.

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On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 19:51:39 -0400, John wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 19:37:36 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:12:14 -0400, John wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 13:27:24 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 07:44:41 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:55:47 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:32:21 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:06:45 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:14:11 -0400, John wrote:

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 21:57:54 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it.

Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag"
on his face.

You are sounding much like CNN. There was a very high, non-mitigation estimate,
and a much lower estimate with mitigation. As Spain and Italy were used as
inputs, the output was high. Adjustments have been made based upon actual US
data and we see the result.

Of course, you knew that.

I knew that the demographic and geography made them bad models if that
is what you mean.

As it turns out, you were correct. But so were they when they modified the
model. You start with what you have.


I've seen no recommendations for surgeons to wear home made facemasks. The
purpose of the facemask for the public is to contain the virus if one is a
carrier. A cloth mask, although not perfect, is much better than no mask. Common
sense says that.

The thing that is flawed is it makes the mask wearer much more likely
to be infected unless they follow a far stricter protocol than simply
stuffing the rag in their pocket between wearings. It becomes a very
effective vector for the virus.
Fauci and the experts used to say that

In this case, the purpose of the public wearing the mask is so carriers will not
spread the virus as much. The wearer of the mask is not the one being protected,
although there may be some little protection.

It is still more of a feel good gesture than a real panacea unless the
public gets a whole lot better at the protocols than the girl on the
news. She was wearing a mask and gloves and within an hour she was
coated with the U/V powder used to simulate germs. She was leaving a
trail behind her along with being infected herself.
I did learn one thing. Washing your hands is only half of it. Wash
your face too. This girl had contamination on her face could quickly
be spread to her sinuses after she had washed her hands and taken off
the mask.
If you are serious about this, you almost need to be using "clean
room" protocols.

OTOH at my age, I am not supposed to be infected asymptomatically. It
is supposed to knock my dick in the dirt right away ... if you can
believe what you hear.

Again, you missed the point. Wearing the mask is to protect others, not
yourself.

She should have started with a mouthfull of the powder and blown it through the
mask.

If this is just an old T shirt, plenty would have come through. There
would certainly be enough to contaminate the entire mask, inside and
out..Corona virus is smaller than 0.3 micron.

Since most of the infection is hand to mouth, simply having it on her
hands is plenty to spread the infection and handling a dirty mask all
day will do that.
Gloves are even dumber. If the gloves are infected, so is everything
you touch. The virus may live on the glove longer than it would have
on your bare hand. (impervious surface).
Again, in a truly sterile hospital setting, the glove is used once,
carefully removed and thrown away. People are shoving their dirty
gloves in the same pocket as their dirty mask.
These are just things people are doing to think they are doing
something good and in most cases it is exactly the opposite.

I have yet to see anyone do that. Do you see a lot of that where you live? It
wouldn't take a lot of common sense to dispose of the gloves properly.

Are you saying people are only using masks and gloves once and
throwing them away up there?
That does not seem to be what I see. They pull them off and shove them
in their pocket when they get to the car.
I have trouble not breaking out laughing when I watch what people are
doing.

Actually, I haven't been watching them as you have. I use dog poop bags and
throw them away immediately. They cost a whole three cents each. I don't see
people wearing gloves much, unless they're working in store or carry-out
restaurants. I'd imagine they either rinse them with a clorox solution or throw
them away. I think maybe I give people in general a bit more credit for common
sense than you do.

Perhaps you are experiencing a western Florida thing.

I suspect it was because Costco had a pallet of nitrile gloves near
the door, right at the beginning of this thing. I got a box but for
the shop, not the virus. I do see fewer gloves now but the ones I see
seem to be part of the hoarding. They are not throwing them away. I am
also seeing fewer n-95 masks, probably because they are unavailable
anywhere., It is just the Frito Bandito bandannas and masks made in a
similar fashion.
Nobody seems to be doing the bag trick.

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 20:05:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/13/2020 7:37 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:12:14 -0400, John wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 13:27:24 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 07:44:41 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:55:47 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:32:21 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:06:45 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:14:11 -0400, John wrote:

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 21:57:54 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it.

Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag"
on his face.

You are sounding much like CNN. There was a very high, non-mitigation estimate,
and a much lower estimate with mitigation. As Spain and Italy were used as
inputs, the output was high. Adjustments have been made based upon actual US
data and we see the result.

Of course, you knew that.

I knew that the demographic and geography made them bad models if that
is what you mean.

As it turns out, you were correct. But so were they when they modified the
model. You start with what you have.


I've seen no recommendations for surgeons to wear home made facemasks. The
purpose of the facemask for the public is to contain the virus if one is a
carrier. A cloth mask, although not perfect, is much better than no mask. Common
sense says that.

The thing that is flawed is it makes the mask wearer much more likely
to be infected unless they follow a far stricter protocol than simply
stuffing the rag in their pocket between wearings. It becomes a very
effective vector for the virus.
Fauci and the experts used to say that

In this case, the purpose of the public wearing the mask is so carriers will not
spread the virus as much. The wearer of the mask is not the one being protected,
although there may be some little protection.

It is still more of a feel good gesture than a real panacea unless the
public gets a whole lot better at the protocols than the girl on the
news. She was wearing a mask and gloves and within an hour she was
coated with the U/V powder used to simulate germs. She was leaving a
trail behind her along with being infected herself.
I did learn one thing. Washing your hands is only half of it. Wash
your face too. This girl had contamination on her face could quickly
be spread to her sinuses after she had washed her hands and taken off
the mask.
If you are serious about this, you almost need to be using "clean
room" protocols.

OTOH at my age, I am not supposed to be infected asymptomatically. It
is supposed to knock my dick in the dirt right away ... if you can
believe what you hear.

Again, you missed the point. Wearing the mask is to protect others, not
yourself.

She should have started with a mouthfull of the powder and blown it through the
mask.

If this is just an old T shirt, plenty would have come through. There
would certainly be enough to contaminate the entire mask, inside and
out..Corona virus is smaller than 0.3 micron.

Since most of the infection is hand to mouth, simply having it on her
hands is plenty to spread the infection and handling a dirty mask all
day will do that.
Gloves are even dumber. If the gloves are infected, so is everything
you touch. The virus may live on the glove longer than it would have
on your bare hand. (impervious surface).
Again, in a truly sterile hospital setting, the glove is used once,
carefully removed and thrown away. People are shoving their dirty
gloves in the same pocket as their dirty mask.
These are just things people are doing to think they are doing
something good and in most cases it is exactly the opposite.

I have yet to see anyone do that. Do you see a lot of that where you live? It
wouldn't take a lot of common sense to dispose of the gloves properly.



Are you saying people are only using masks and gloves once and
throwing them away up there?
That does not seem to be what I see. They pull them off and shove them
in their pocket when they get to the car.
I have trouble not breaking out laughing when I watch what people are
doing.


People are trying Greg.

Maybe instead of laughing at them you should instruct them as to
their proper use.

Or maybe you shouldn't. With patience and tempers so short
now-a-days, you may not get the reception you expected.



Those are exactly the people I am giving a wide berth. I think they
are more likely to be infected than those who are just washing their
hands ... and face, often.
I am surprised nobody says that about your face but after watching the
news girl, I saw how easy it is to contaminate your cheeks or
forehead, then some time later, after you scrubbed your hands, to
smear that contamination down to your nose and mouth.

I do notice the folks here are pretty good about keeping their
distance. I was at Walmart today, a place I want to wash my hands
after being at on a good day. People were stopping and waiting for the
aisles to open up before they went in and we stayed pretty spread out.
They have cleared the promo items that usually clog the aisles.
They did have almost everything people are supposed to be out of,
including an almost normal looking stock of paper products. I got my
BIL an 18 pack of some kind of "soft cloud" sort of TP and it turned
out he had already scored at his Walmart. My FIL has it now.
They also had eggs and other stuff that was supposed to be gone but no
anti bacterial soap or hand sanitizer.
Everyone has stopped rationing bottled water too. I picked up a couple
gallons because right in the middle of all of this my R/O decided to
get stingy. It is barely making enough water for ice. I have a new
element coming on Prime. I threw the filters at it already and no joy
so I am guessing the membrane is plugged.
It is a year and a half old tho.

On 4/13/2020 10:01 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 20:05:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/13/2020 7:37 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:12:14 -0400, John wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 13:27:24 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 07:44:41 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:55:47 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:32:21 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:06:45 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:14:11 -0400, John wrote:

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 21:57:54 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it.

Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag"
on his face.

You are sounding much like CNN. There was a very high, non-mitigation estimate,
and a much lower estimate with mitigation. As Spain and Italy were used as
inputs, the output was high. Adjustments have been made based upon actual US
data and we see the result.

Of course, you knew that.

I knew that the demographic and geography made them bad models if that
is what you mean.

As it turns out, you were correct. But so were they when they modified the
model. You start with what you have.


I've seen no recommendations for surgeons to wear home made facemasks. The
purpose of the facemask for the public is to contain the virus if one is a
carrier. A cloth mask, although not perfect, is much better than no mask. Common
sense says that.

The thing that is flawed is it makes the mask wearer much more likely
to be infected unless they follow a far stricter protocol than simply
stuffing the rag in their pocket between wearings. It becomes a very
effective vector for the virus.
Fauci and the experts used to say that

In this case, the purpose of the public wearing the mask is so carriers will not
spread the virus as much. The wearer of the mask is not the one being protected,
although there may be some little protection.

It is still more of a feel good gesture than a real panacea unless the
public gets a whole lot better at the protocols than the girl on the
news. She was wearing a mask and gloves and within an hour she was
coated with the U/V powder used to simulate germs. She was leaving a
trail behind her along with being infected herself.
I did learn one thing. Washing your hands is only half of it. Wash
your face too. This girl had contamination on her face could quickly
be spread to her sinuses after she had washed her hands and taken off
the mask.
If you are serious about this, you almost need to be using "clean
room" protocols.

OTOH at my age, I am not supposed to be infected asymptomatically. It
is supposed to knock my dick in the dirt right away ... if you can
believe what you hear.

Again, you missed the point. Wearing the mask is to protect others, not
yourself.

She should have started with a mouthfull of the powder and blown it through the
mask.

If this is just an old T shirt, plenty would have come through. There
would certainly be enough to contaminate the entire mask, inside and
out..Corona virus is smaller than 0.3 micron.

Since most of the infection is hand to mouth, simply having it on her
hands is plenty to spread the infection and handling a dirty mask all
day will do that.
Gloves are even dumber. If the gloves are infected, so is everything
you touch. The virus may live on the glove longer than it would have
on your bare hand. (impervious surface).
Again, in a truly sterile hospital setting, the glove is used once,
carefully removed and thrown away. People are shoving their dirty
gloves in the same pocket as their dirty mask.
These are just things people are doing to think they are doing
something good and in most cases it is exactly the opposite.

I have yet to see anyone do that. Do you see a lot of that where you live? It
wouldn't take a lot of common sense to dispose of the gloves properly.



Are you saying people are only using masks and gloves once and
throwing them away up there?
That does not seem to be what I see. They pull them off and shove them
in their pocket when they get to the car.
I have trouble not breaking out laughing when I watch what people are
doing.


People are trying Greg.

Maybe instead of laughing at them you should instruct them as to
their proper use.

Or maybe you shouldn't. With patience and tempers so short
now-a-days, you may not get the reception you expected.



Those are exactly the people I am giving a wide berth. I think they
are more likely to be infected than those who are just washing their
hands ... and face, often.
I am surprised nobody says that about your face but after watching the
news girl, I saw how easy it is to contaminate your cheeks or
forehead, then some time later, after you scrubbed your hands, to
smear that contamination down to your nose and mouth.

I do notice the folks here are pretty good about keeping their
distance. I was at Walmart today, a place I want to wash my hands
after being at on a good day. People were stopping and waiting for the
aisles to open up before they went in and we stayed pretty spread out.
They have cleared the promo items that usually clog the aisles.
They did have almost everything people are supposed to be out of,
including an almost normal looking stock of paper products. I got my
BIL an 18 pack of some kind of "soft cloud" sort of TP and it turned
out he had already scored at his Walmart. My FIL has it now.
They also had eggs and other stuff that was supposed to be gone but no
anti bacterial soap or hand sanitizer.
Everyone has stopped rationing bottled water too. I picked up a couple
gallons because right in the middle of all of this my R/O decided to
get stingy. It is barely making enough water for ice. I have a new
element coming on Prime. I threw the filters at it already and no joy
so I am guessing the membrane is plugged.
It is a year and a half old tho.



Most of the larger stores up here are restricting how many people
can enter at a time. My sister in law went to Walmart today
and she said there was a line outside ... with people spaced at
least 6 feet apart, waiting to enter. As a person left the
store another was allowed to go in.




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On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 23:41:10 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/13/2020 10:01 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 20:05:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/13/2020 7:37 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:12:14 -0400, John wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 13:27:24 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 07:44:41 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:55:47 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:32:21 -0400, John wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:06:45 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:14:11 -0400, John wrote:

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 21:57:54 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:23:13 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/11/20 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 09:29:26 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 4/10/20 9:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:31:10 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cud7...ature=youtu.be

Fauci is just hoping nobody compiles the things he said that turn out
to be wrong. He might cost them some grant money.


Oh, so you think Fauci is as intellectually full of **** as you are, eh?

He certainly seem to be very flexible in what he believes is true. The
"facts" seem to change daily and mostly toward the idea that this was
a lot of hysterical hype. The CDC and NIH guidelines are letters in
the sand that disappear at every tide change ... IOW about twice a
day.


Indeed, Fauci is a scientist who absorbs new data and evaluates it.

Science seldom supports an estimate that changes by a factor of 3600%
in 2 weeks. (2.2 million to 60,000) . It also seems pretty unlikely
that science makes the leap from "A home made face mask is useless" to
recommending them for anyone in public.
Those are politically knee jerks, not science.
Nobody wants to tell Nanna she is wasting her time but I bet most
hospitals are throwing those home made face masks in the trash. I know
I would not be happy if my surgeon showed up with a Granny's "do rag"
on his face.

You are sounding much like CNN. There was a very high, non-mitigation estimate,
and a much lower estimate with mitigation. As Spain and Italy were used as
inputs, the output was high. Adjustments have been made based upon actual US
data and we see the result.

Of course, you knew that.

I knew that the demographic and geography made them bad models if that
is what you mean.

As it turns out, you were correct. But so were they when they modified the
model. You start with what you have.


I've seen no recommendations for surgeons to wear home made facemasks. The
purpose of the facemask for the public is to contain the virus if one is a
carrier. A cloth mask, although not perfect, is much better than no mask. Common
sense says that.

The thing that is flawed is it makes the mask wearer much more likely
to be infected unless they follow a far stricter protocol than simply
stuffing the rag in their pocket between wearings. It becomes a very
effective vector for the virus.
Fauci and the experts used to say that

In this case, the purpose of the public wearing the mask is so carriers will not
spread the virus as much. The wearer of the mask is not the one being protected,
although there may be some little protection.

It is still more of a feel good gesture than a real panacea unless the
public gets a whole lot better at the protocols than the girl on the
news. She was wearing a mask and gloves and within an hour she was
coated with the U/V powder used to simulate germs. She was leaving a
trail behind her along with being infected herself.
I did learn one thing. Washing your hands is only half of it. Wash
your face too. This girl had contamination on her face could quickly
be spread to her sinuses after she had washed her hands and taken off
the mask.
If you are serious about this, you almost need to be using "clean
room" protocols.

OTOH at my age, I am not supposed to be infected asymptomatically. It
is supposed to knock my dick in the dirt right away ... if you can
believe what you hear.

Again, you missed the point. Wearing the mask is to protect others, not
yourself.

She should have started with a mouthfull of the powder and blown it through the
mask.

If this is just an old T shirt, plenty would have come through. There
would certainly be enough to contaminate the entire mask, inside and
out..Corona virus is smaller than 0.3 micron.

Since most of the infection is hand to mouth, simply having it on her
hands is plenty to spread the infection and handling a dirty mask all
day will do that.
Gloves are even dumber. If the gloves are infected, so is everything
you touch. The virus may live on the glove longer than it would have
on your bare hand. (impervious surface).
Again, in a truly sterile hospital setting, the glove is used once,
carefully removed and thrown away. People are shoving their dirty
gloves in the same pocket as their dirty mask.
These are just things people are doing to think they are doing
something good and in most cases it is exactly the opposite.

I have yet to see anyone do that. Do you see a lot of that where you live? It
wouldn't take a lot of common sense to dispose of the gloves properly.



Are you saying people are only using masks and gloves once and
throwing them away up there?
That does not seem to be what I see. They pull them off and shove them
in their pocket when they get to the car.
I have trouble not breaking out laughing when I watch what people are
doing.


People are trying Greg.

Maybe instead of laughing at them you should instruct them as to
their proper use.

Or maybe you shouldn't. With patience and tempers so short
now-a-days, you may not get the reception you expected.



Those are exactly the people I am giving a wide berth. I think they
are more likely to be infected than those who are just washing their
hands ... and face, often.
I am surprised nobody says that about your face but after watching the
news girl, I saw how easy it is to contaminate your cheeks or
forehead, then some time later, after you scrubbed your hands, to
smear that contamination down to your nose and mouth.

I do notice the folks here are pretty good about keeping their
distance. I was at Walmart today, a place I want to wash my hands
after being at on a good day. People were stopping and waiting for the
aisles to open up before they went in and we stayed pretty spread out.
They have cleared the promo items that usually clog the aisles.
They did have almost everything people are supposed to be out of,
including an almost normal looking stock of paper products. I got my
BIL an 18 pack of some kind of "soft cloud" sort of TP and it turned
out he had already scored at his Walmart. My FIL has it now.
They also had eggs and other stuff that was supposed to be gone but no
anti bacterial soap or hand sanitizer.
Everyone has stopped rationing bottled water too. I picked up a couple
gallons because right in the middle of all of this my R/O decided to
get stingy. It is barely making enough water for ice. I have a new
element coming on Prime. I threw the filters at it already and no joy
so I am guessing the membrane is plugged.
It is a year and a half old tho.



Most of the larger stores up here are restricting how many people
can enter at a time. My sister in law went to Walmart today
and she said there was a line outside ... with people spaced at
least 6 feet apart, waiting to enter. As a person left the
store another was allowed to go in.


They are set up for that but I guess they decided it wasn't too
crowded because the doors were both open. (each end of the building) .
The last time I was there they only had one door open and they did
seem to be monitoring how many people were there. It must have been OK
because I went right in.
I have to go to Costco next. I am curious how that is going to go. If
it is too busy, Deuce might have to get used to a different dog food.
I really don't want to do it. I am going to see if I can just order
and pick up.