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On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 12:09:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 3/29/2020 11:12 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/29/20 9:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/29/2020 9:30 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/29/2020 8:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/29/20 8:36 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/29/2020 8:08 AM, John wrote: On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 07:01:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Here's a great website for both general world wide statistics and those related specifically to the coronavirus pandemic. https://www.worldometers.info/ That's where the comparisons of deaths per 1M population came from: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Note that we're still doing better than those countries with the spectacular health systems, according to our resident liberal. I am still bothered with all the emphasis placed on the percentage of deaths per population though. It's a simple, mathematical statistical measurement that "feels good" but meanwhile the virus is spreading across the country. I suppose it's a reflection of a superior healthcare system in that fewer people die as a percentage of the population but meanwhile the "experts" are saying that NY won't "peak" for another 3 to 4 weeks.* How they get that estimate is beyond me and it doesn't reflect other parts of the country that are targets for the virus but haven't even begun to see the exponential rates of increase. Last night, using the historical data from the website you provided a couple of weeks ago, I created a spreadsheet of the number of confirmed cases and deaths in Massachusetts for the month of March, starting with March 1st and ending with March 28th.* I then generated a chart for the fun of it.* It reflected the same exponential rate that the national CDC graphs show.* It was discouraging, so I deleted it. Unless a proven and effective treatment is found (not a vaccine) I fear we are in for the long, long haul with this. Until the testing is near-universal, the value of knowing the "number of confirmed cases" is virtually nothing, especially in comparison to other countries or previous confirmed cases of earlier flu-like diseases. How many tests per state would one need to know the extent of the spread of the virus? Would you want to consider the number of tests per 1000 persons in a state? What are your parameters? This morning I saw a chart that stated there were 121,000+ known cases in the USA, based upon an unstated number of tests. How many "unknown" cases? Who knows? No one knows. How available are the tests in every community? Who knows? No one knows. Et cetera. All true but again, what does it matter?* The testing produces a number used to determine percentages of deaths.* That's all it does. Thus far, testing has done absolutely *nothing* to control the spread of the virus. I think doc Fauci has it right.* He says we should assume that *everyone* is infected and to act accordingly. That is the rule I used when I was a teen and sexually active...I assumed every girl was infected and always used a condom.* So, that means you are no longer se......* oh, forget it.** :-) Now that I am older and still sexually active, it is with one woman, and neither of us have or have had any STDs, so there is no reason to use a condom. Does that clear it up for you? Just checking on your status. In your post you said, ".... the rule I used when I was a teen and sexually active"" which can be interpreted as meaning you no longer are. Words and their construction have meanings, you know. === I think it was an "off hand" remark. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
#22
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On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 12:23:04 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 3/29/2020 11:29 AM, John wrote: On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 10:23:13 -0400, Justan Ohlphart wrote: On 3/29/2020 9:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/29/2020 8:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/29/20 8:36 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/29/2020 8:08 AM, John wrote: On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 07:01:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Here's a great website for both general world wide statistics and those related specifically to the coronavirus pandemic. https://www.worldometers.info/ That's where the comparisons of deaths per 1M population came from: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Note that we're still doing better than those countries with the spectacular health systems, according to our resident liberal. I am still bothered with all the emphasis placed on the percentage of deaths per population though. It's a simple, mathematical statistical measurement that "feels good" but meanwhile the virus is spreading across the country. I suppose it's a reflection of a superior healthcare system in that fewer people die as a percentage of the population but meanwhile the "experts" are saying that NY won't "peak" for another 3 to 4 weeks.* How they get that estimate is beyond me and it doesn't reflect other parts of the country that are targets for the virus but haven't even begun to see the exponential rates of increase. Last night, using the historical data from the website you provided a couple of weeks ago, I created a spreadsheet of the number of confirmed cases and deaths in Massachusetts for the month of March, starting with March 1st and ending with March 28th.* I then generated a chart for the fun of it.* It reflected the same exponential rate that the national CDC graphs show.* It was discouraging, so I deleted it. Unless a proven and effective treatment is found (not a vaccine) I fear we are in for the long, long haul with this. Until the testing is near-universal, the value of knowing the "number of confirmed cases" is virtually nothing, especially in comparison to other countries or previous confirmed cases of earlier flu-like diseases. How many tests per state would one need to know the extent of the spread of the virus? Would you want to consider the number of tests per 1000 persons in a state? What are your parameters? This morning I saw a chart that stated there were 121,000+ known cases in the USA, based upon an unstated number of tests. How many "unknown" cases? Who knows? No one knows. How available are the tests in every community? Who knows? No one knows. Et cetera. All true but again, what does it matter?* The testing produces a number used to determine percentages of deaths.* That's all it does. Thus far, testing has done absolutely *nothing* to control the spread of the virus. I think doc Fauci has it right.* He says we should assume that *everyone* is infected and to act accordingly. I hate to disagree with you but how else can you measure the success or failure of measures to isolate, control, treat, or prevent the virus. By looking at the actual cases? Sounds reasonable to me. The only way to measure the success of treatment is to look at confirmed cases. I agree. I may be wrong or don't understand the logic but mass testing for the sake of mass testing accomplishes nothing. Last report I heard was that the USA is testing over 100,000 people a day now. What benefit has it served other than to confirm more cases thus lowering the death rate percentage? The spread and exponential rate of infections continue and there's indication it is slowing down or "flattening the curve" at all. === One of the reasons for the exponential growth is the long incubation period, about 15 days, where people are not yet showing symptoms but are communicating the disease. Mandatory testing, especially at travel checkpoints, could help to slow the spread. It could also be helpful for healthcare workers and first responders. As a group they are very vunerable, and the more quickly they are detected and isolated, the less chance of them passing it along. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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Keyser Soze
- show quoted text - Now that I am older and still sexually active, it is with one woman, and neither of us have or have had any STDs, so there is no reason to use a condom. Does that clear it up for you? “ Harry I had a high school coach who once told the locker room jocks “ those who talk the most do the least†Interesting that you’re the only one who mentioned their own sexcapades |
#25
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On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 12:16:47 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 11:31:05 -0400, John wrote: On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 11:12:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/29/20 9:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/29/2020 9:30 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/29/2020 8:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/29/20 8:36 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/29/2020 8:08 AM, John wrote: On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 07:01:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Here's a great website for both general world wide statistics and those related specifically to the coronavirus pandemic. https://www.worldometers.info/ That's where the comparisons of deaths per 1M population came from: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Note that we're still doing better than those countries with the spectacular health systems, according to our resident liberal. I am still bothered with all the emphasis placed on the percentage of deaths per population though. It's a simple, mathematical statistical measurement that "feels good" but meanwhile the virus is spreading across the country. I suppose it's a reflection of a superior healthcare system in that fewer people die as a percentage of the population but meanwhile the "experts" are saying that NY won't "peak" for another 3 to 4 weeks.* How they get that estimate is beyond me and it doesn't reflect other parts of the country that are targets for the virus but haven't even begun to see the exponential rates of increase. Last night, using the historical data from the website you provided a couple of weeks ago, I created a spreadsheet of the number of confirmed cases and deaths in Massachusetts for the month of March, starting with March 1st and ending with March 28th.* I then generated a chart for the fun of it.* It reflected the same exponential rate that the national CDC graphs show.* It was discouraging, so I deleted it. Unless a proven and effective treatment is found (not a vaccine) I fear we are in for the long, long haul with this. Until the testing is near-universal, the value of knowing the "number of confirmed cases" is virtually nothing, especially in comparison to other countries or previous confirmed cases of earlier flu-like diseases. How many tests per state would one need to know the extent of the spread of the virus? Would you want to consider the number of tests per 1000 persons in a state? What are your parameters? This morning I saw a chart that stated there were 121,000+ known cases in the USA, based upon an unstated number of tests. How many "unknown" cases? Who knows? No one knows. How available are the tests in every community? Who knows? No one knows. Et cetera. All true but again, what does it matter?* The testing produces a number used to determine percentages of deaths.* That's all it does. Thus far, testing has done absolutely *nothing* to control the spread of the virus. I think doc Fauci has it right.* He says we should assume that *everyone* is infected and to act accordingly. That is the rule I used when I was a teen and sexually active...I assumed every girl was infected and always used a condom.* So, that means you are no longer se......* oh, forget it.** :-) Now that I am older and still sexually active, it is with one woman, and neither of us have or have had any STDs, so there is no reason to use a condom. Does that clear it up for you? Hee, hee! Even with that bad wrist, eh Krause!! You are a narcissist of the first order! -- === Huntington, Maryland: Where the men are men and the sheep are scared. LOL!! (Seriously!) -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
#26
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Great website
On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 12:23:04 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 3/29/2020 11:29 AM, John wrote: On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 10:23:13 -0400, Justan Ohlphart wrote: On 3/29/2020 9:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/29/2020 8:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/29/20 8:36 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/29/2020 8:08 AM, John wrote: On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 07:01:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Here's a great website for both general world wide statistics and those related specifically to the coronavirus pandemic. https://www.worldometers.info/ That's where the comparisons of deaths per 1M population came from: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Note that we're still doing better than those countries with the spectacular health systems, according to our resident liberal. I am still bothered with all the emphasis placed on the percentage of deaths per population though. It's a simple, mathematical statistical measurement that "feels good" but meanwhile the virus is spreading across the country. I suppose it's a reflection of a superior healthcare system in that fewer people die as a percentage of the population but meanwhile the "experts" are saying that NY won't "peak" for another 3 to 4 weeks.* How they get that estimate is beyond me and it doesn't reflect other parts of the country that are targets for the virus but haven't even begun to see the exponential rates of increase. Last night, using the historical data from the website you provided a couple of weeks ago, I created a spreadsheet of the number of confirmed cases and deaths in Massachusetts for the month of March, starting with March 1st and ending with March 28th.* I then generated a chart for the fun of it.* It reflected the same exponential rate that the national CDC graphs show.* It was discouraging, so I deleted it. Unless a proven and effective treatment is found (not a vaccine) I fear we are in for the long, long haul with this. Until the testing is near-universal, the value of knowing the "number of confirmed cases" is virtually nothing, especially in comparison to other countries or previous confirmed cases of earlier flu-like diseases. How many tests per state would one need to know the extent of the spread of the virus? Would you want to consider the number of tests per 1000 persons in a state? What are your parameters? This morning I saw a chart that stated there were 121,000+ known cases in the USA, based upon an unstated number of tests. How many "unknown" cases? Who knows? No one knows. How available are the tests in every community? Who knows? No one knows. Et cetera. All true but again, what does it matter?* The testing produces a number used to determine percentages of deaths.* That's all it does. Thus far, testing has done absolutely *nothing* to control the spread of the virus. I think doc Fauci has it right.* He says we should assume that *everyone* is infected and to act accordingly. I hate to disagree with you but how else can you measure the success or failure of measures to isolate, control, treat, or prevent the virus. By looking at the actual cases? Sounds reasonable to me. The only way to measure the success of treatment is to look at confirmed cases. I agree. I may be wrong or don't understand the logic but mass testing for the sake of mass testing accomplishes nothing. Last report I heard was that the USA is testing over 100,000 people a day now. What benefit has it served other than to confirm more cases thus lowering the death rate percentage? The spread and exponential rate of infections continue and there's indication it is slowing down or "flattening the curve" at all. I think you left out the word 'no'. What's interesting about the graph on the dashboard is how the height of the bar graph doesn't change much. Makes things look not so bad, until you notice the changes in the scale on the vertical axis. Remember not so long ago the scale went up only to 100,000. Let's see where it is in a week. https://nssac.bii.virginia.edu/covid-19/dashboard/ -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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Great website
On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 12:49:52 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 12:23:04 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/29/2020 11:29 AM, John wrote: On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 10:23:13 -0400, Justan Ohlphart wrote: On 3/29/2020 9:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/29/2020 8:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/29/20 8:36 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/29/2020 8:08 AM, John wrote: On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 07:01:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Here's a great website for both general world wide statistics and those related specifically to the coronavirus pandemic. https://www.worldometers.info/ That's where the comparisons of deaths per 1M population came from: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Note that we're still doing better than those countries with the spectacular health systems, according to our resident liberal. I am still bothered with all the emphasis placed on the percentage of deaths per population though. It's a simple, mathematical statistical measurement that "feels good" but meanwhile the virus is spreading across the country. I suppose it's a reflection of a superior healthcare system in that fewer people die as a percentage of the population but meanwhile the "experts" are saying that NY won't "peak" for another 3 to 4 weeks.* How they get that estimate is beyond me and it doesn't reflect other parts of the country that are targets for the virus but haven't even begun to see the exponential rates of increase. Last night, using the historical data from the website you provided a couple of weeks ago, I created a spreadsheet of the number of confirmed cases and deaths in Massachusetts for the month of March, starting with March 1st and ending with March 28th.* I then generated a chart for the fun of it.* It reflected the same exponential rate that the national CDC graphs show.* It was discouraging, so I deleted it. Unless a proven and effective treatment is found (not a vaccine) I fear we are in for the long, long haul with this. Until the testing is near-universal, the value of knowing the "number of confirmed cases" is virtually nothing, especially in comparison to other countries or previous confirmed cases of earlier flu-like diseases. How many tests per state would one need to know the extent of the spread of the virus? Would you want to consider the number of tests per 1000 persons in a state? What are your parameters? This morning I saw a chart that stated there were 121,000+ known cases in the USA, based upon an unstated number of tests. How many "unknown" cases? Who knows? No one knows. How available are the tests in every community? Who knows? No one knows. Et cetera. All true but again, what does it matter?* The testing produces a number used to determine percentages of deaths.* That's all it does. Thus far, testing has done absolutely *nothing* to control the spread of the virus. I think doc Fauci has it right.* He says we should assume that *everyone* is infected and to act accordingly. I hate to disagree with you but how else can you measure the success or failure of measures to isolate, control, treat, or prevent the virus. By looking at the actual cases? Sounds reasonable to me. The only way to measure the success of treatment is to look at confirmed cases. I agree. I may be wrong or don't understand the logic but mass testing for the sake of mass testing accomplishes nothing. Last report I heard was that the USA is testing over 100,000 people a day now. What benefit has it served other than to confirm more cases thus lowering the death rate percentage? The spread and exponential rate of infections continue and there's indication it is slowing down or "flattening the curve" at all. === One of the reasons for the exponential growth is the long incubation period, about 15 days, where people are not yet showing symptoms but are communicating the disease. Mandatory testing, especially at travel checkpoints, could help to slow the spread. It could also be helpful for healthcare workers and first responders. As a group they are very vunerable, and the more quickly they are detected and isolated, the less chance of them passing it along. I'd bet the health workers and responders are getting tested. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
#28
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On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 12:41:57 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 12:09:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/29/2020 11:12 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/29/20 9:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/29/2020 9:30 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/29/2020 8:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/29/20 8:36 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/29/2020 8:08 AM, John wrote: On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 07:01:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Here's a great website for both general world wide statistics and those related specifically to the coronavirus pandemic. https://www.worldometers.info/ That's where the comparisons of deaths per 1M population came from: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Note that we're still doing better than those countries with the spectacular health systems, according to our resident liberal. I am still bothered with all the emphasis placed on the percentage of deaths per population though. It's a simple, mathematical statistical measurement that "feels good" but meanwhile the virus is spreading across the country. I suppose it's a reflection of a superior healthcare system in that fewer people die as a percentage of the population but meanwhile the "experts" are saying that NY won't "peak" for another 3 to 4 weeks.* How they get that estimate is beyond me and it doesn't reflect other parts of the country that are targets for the virus but haven't even begun to see the exponential rates of increase. Last night, using the historical data from the website you provided a couple of weeks ago, I created a spreadsheet of the number of confirmed cases and deaths in Massachusetts for the month of March, starting with March 1st and ending with March 28th.* I then generated a chart for the fun of it.* It reflected the same exponential rate that the national CDC graphs show.* It was discouraging, so I deleted it. Unless a proven and effective treatment is found (not a vaccine) I fear we are in for the long, long haul with this. Until the testing is near-universal, the value of knowing the "number of confirmed cases" is virtually nothing, especially in comparison to other countries or previous confirmed cases of earlier flu-like diseases. How many tests per state would one need to know the extent of the spread of the virus? Would you want to consider the number of tests per 1000 persons in a state? What are your parameters? This morning I saw a chart that stated there were 121,000+ known cases in the USA, based upon an unstated number of tests. How many "unknown" cases? Who knows? No one knows. How available are the tests in every community? Who knows? No one knows. Et cetera. All true but again, what does it matter?* The testing produces a number used to determine percentages of deaths.* That's all it does. Thus far, testing has done absolutely *nothing* to control the spread of the virus. I think doc Fauci has it right.* He says we should assume that *everyone* is infected and to act accordingly. That is the rule I used when I was a teen and sexually active...I assumed every girl was infected and always used a condom.* So, that means you are no longer se......* oh, forget it.** :-) Now that I am older and still sexually active, it is with one woman, and neither of us have or have had any STDs, so there is no reason to use a condom. Does that clear it up for you? Just checking on your status. In your post you said, ".... the rule I used when I was a teen and sexually active"" which can be interpreted as meaning you no longer are. Words and their construction have meanings, you know. === I think it was an "off hand" remark. I wonder if he pencil holes his targets 'off hand'? -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 13:01:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 3/29/2020 12:49 PM, wrote: On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 12:23:04 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/29/2020 11:29 AM, John wrote: On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 10:23:13 -0400, Justan Ohlphart wrote: On 3/29/2020 9:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/29/2020 8:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/29/20 8:36 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/29/2020 8:08 AM, John wrote: On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 07:01:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Here's a great website for both general world wide statistics and those related specifically to the coronavirus pandemic. https://www.worldometers.info/ That's where the comparisons of deaths per 1M population came from: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Note that we're still doing better than those countries with the spectacular health systems, according to our resident liberal. I am still bothered with all the emphasis placed on the percentage of deaths per population though. It's a simple, mathematical statistical measurement that "feels good" but meanwhile the virus is spreading across the country. I suppose it's a reflection of a superior healthcare system in that fewer people die as a percentage of the population but meanwhile the "experts" are saying that NY won't "peak" for another 3 to 4 weeks.* How they get that estimate is beyond me and it doesn't reflect other parts of the country that are targets for the virus but haven't even begun to see the exponential rates of increase. Last night, using the historical data from the website you provided a couple of weeks ago, I created a spreadsheet of the number of confirmed cases and deaths in Massachusetts for the month of March, starting with March 1st and ending with March 28th.* I then generated a chart for the fun of it.* It reflected the same exponential rate that the national CDC graphs show.* It was discouraging, so I deleted it. Unless a proven and effective treatment is found (not a vaccine) I fear we are in for the long, long haul with this. Until the testing is near-universal, the value of knowing the "number of confirmed cases" is virtually nothing, especially in comparison to other countries or previous confirmed cases of earlier flu-like diseases. How many tests per state would one need to know the extent of the spread of the virus? Would you want to consider the number of tests per 1000 persons in a state? What are your parameters? This morning I saw a chart that stated there were 121,000+ known cases in the USA, based upon an unstated number of tests. How many "unknown" cases? Who knows? No one knows. How available are the tests in every community? Who knows? No one knows. Et cetera. All true but again, what does it matter?* The testing produces a number used to determine percentages of deaths.* That's all it does. Thus far, testing has done absolutely *nothing* to control the spread of the virus. I think doc Fauci has it right.* He says we should assume that *everyone* is infected and to act accordingly. I hate to disagree with you but how else can you measure the success or failure of measures to isolate, control, treat, or prevent the virus. By looking at the actual cases? Sounds reasonable to me. The only way to measure the success of treatment is to look at confirmed cases. I agree. I may be wrong or don't understand the logic but mass testing for the sake of mass testing accomplishes nothing. Last report I heard was that the USA is testing over 100,000 people a day now. What benefit has it served other than to confirm more cases thus lowering the death rate percentage? The spread and exponential rate of infections continue and there's indication it is slowing down or "flattening the curve" at all. === One of the reasons for the exponential growth is the long incubation period, about 15 days, where people are not yet showing symptoms but are communicating the disease. Mandatory testing, especially at travel checkpoints, could help to slow the spread. It could also be helpful for healthcare workers and first responders. As a group they are very vunerable, and the more quickly they are detected and isolated, the less chance of them passing it along. I understand. However, we are in a serious and major exponential spread of this virus with many areas of the country yet to begin. I think it would be more prudent at this point in time to encourage or even enforce if necessary the recommendations of the CDC and other professionals. As Doc Fauci recommends: Assume you are infected and limit your travel and exposure to others accordingly. We can crunch numbers later. === Even if all travel outside the home is banned and quarantines are strictly enforced, there is still the issue with first responders, health care professionals and delivery people. I think the new test that Abbott labs has developed could help a lot with that. Supposedly it can give results in less than 15 minutes, short enough that critical workers could be tested every day at the beginning of their shift. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On 3/29/2020 1:53 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 13:01:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/29/2020 12:49 PM, wrote: On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 12:23:04 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/29/2020 11:29 AM, John wrote: On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 10:23:13 -0400, Justan Ohlphart wrote: On 3/29/2020 9:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/29/2020 8:52 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 3/29/20 8:36 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/29/2020 8:08 AM, John wrote: On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 07:01:11 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Here's a great website for both general world wide statistics and those related specifically to the coronavirus pandemic. https://www.worldometers.info/ That's where the comparisons of deaths per 1M population came from: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Note that we're still doing better than those countries with the spectacular health systems, according to our resident liberal. I am still bothered with all the emphasis placed on the percentage of deaths per population though. It's a simple, mathematical statistical measurement that "feels good" but meanwhile the virus is spreading across the country. I suppose it's a reflection of a superior healthcare system in that fewer people die as a percentage of the population but meanwhile the "experts" are saying that NY won't "peak" for another 3 to 4 weeks.Â* How they get that estimate is beyond me and it doesn't reflect other parts of the country that are targets for the virus but haven't even begun to see the exponential rates of increase. Last night, using the historical data from the website you provided a couple of weeks ago, I created a spreadsheet of the number of confirmed cases and deaths in Massachusetts for the month of March, starting with March 1st and ending with March 28th.Â* I then generated a chart for the fun of it.Â* It reflected the same exponential rate that the national CDC graphs show.Â* It was discouraging, so I deleted it. Unless a proven and effective treatment is found (not a vaccine) I fear we are in for the long, long haul with this. Until the testing is near-universal, the value of knowing the "number of confirmed cases" is virtually nothing, especially in comparison to other countries or previous confirmed cases of earlier flu-like diseases. How many tests per state would one need to know the extent of the spread of the virus? Would you want to consider the number of tests per 1000 persons in a state? What are your parameters? This morning I saw a chart that stated there were 121,000+ known cases in the USA, based upon an unstated number of tests. How many "unknown" cases? Who knows? No one knows. How available are the tests in every community? Who knows? No one knows. Et cetera. All true but again, what does it matter?Â* The testing produces a number used to determine percentages of deaths.Â* That's all it does. Thus far, testing has done absolutely *nothing* to control the spread of the virus. I think doc Fauci has it right.Â* He says we should assume that *everyone* is infected and to act accordingly. I hate to disagree with you but how else can you measure the success or failure of measures to isolate, control, treat, or prevent the virus. By looking at the actual cases? Sounds reasonable to me. The only way to measure the success of treatment is to look at confirmed cases. I agree. I may be wrong or don't understand the logic but mass testing for the sake of mass testing accomplishes nothing. Last report I heard was that the USA is testing over 100,000 people a day now. What benefit has it served other than to confirm more cases thus lowering the death rate percentage? The spread and exponential rate of infections continue and there's indication it is slowing down or "flattening the curve" at all. === One of the reasons for the exponential growth is the long incubation period, about 15 days, where people are not yet showing symptoms but are communicating the disease. Mandatory testing, especially at travel checkpoints, could help to slow the spread. It could also be helpful for healthcare workers and first responders. As a group they are very vunerable, and the more quickly they are detected and isolated, the less chance of them passing it along. I understand. However, we are in a serious and major exponential spread of this virus with many areas of the country yet to begin. I think it would be more prudent at this point in time to encourage or even enforce if necessary the recommendations of the CDC and other professionals. As Doc Fauci recommends: Assume you are infected and limit your travel and exposure to others accordingly. We can crunch numbers later. === Even if all travel outside the home is banned and quarantines are strictly enforced, there is still the issue with first responders, health care professionals and delivery people. I think the new test that Abbott labs has developed could help a lot with that. Supposedly it can give results in less than 15 minutes, short enough that critical workers could be tested every day at the beginning of their shift. I certainly agree with that. What I am struggling with is the purpose and emphasis on testing *everybody*. But, that's me. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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