On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:21:47 -0800, "jps" wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .

Preventing the public display for propaganda purposes of the liberals IS
treating the deceased with dignity and deserved attention. If the media
'papparazzi' (sp) need pictures of caskets, they should get permission
from the
next of kin to videotape the funeral.

Much ado about nothing.

That's why this is the first time in history this has happened, because it's
about nothing?

Should the American public be shielded from the real cost of war because
"we're fighting for a bigger purpose?"

I hope your parents weren't so calloused when you were in the military. If
my kid were shot and killed defending our country (which is why maybe the
Bush Admin. doesn't want them seen) I'd want the whole freakin' country to
see what my family had sacraficed and feel the weight of war.

Do you have children?

I have children, one of whom is married to a soldier in Baghdad. I just talked
to her. She thinks the idea of televising her husband's return, if killed or
wounded, is sick. I agree. I sure don't recall seeing the body bags being
unloaded at Travis during the Vietnam war. What would be the purpose?

You didn't address the media getting permission from the next of kin to
videotape the funeral. Wouldn't that accomplish the same purpose, only better? I
doubt if many parents or spouses would want the funeral displayed for the
liberals benefit. But if they didn't want that, then why should the media be
allowed to violate privacy as the wounded or deceased are unloaded at Dover?

Again, much ado about nothing. The important thing is that the wounded or
deceased are given the dignity and respect they deserve. Parents and spouses
could always put the funerals on public display if they desired.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

JohnH wrote:

On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:21:47 -0800, "jps" wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
. ..

Preventing the public display for propaganda purposes of the liberals IS
treating the deceased with dignity and deserved attention. If the media
'papparazzi' (sp) need pictures of caskets, they should get permission
from the
next of kin to videotape the funeral.

Much ado about nothing.

That's why this is the first time in history this has happened, because it's
about nothing?

Should the American public be shielded from the real cost of war because
"we're fighting for a bigger purpose?"

I hope your parents weren't so calloused when you were in the military. If
my kid were shot and killed defending our country (which is why maybe the
Bush Admin. doesn't want them seen) I'd want the whole freakin' country to
see what my family had sacraficed and feel the weight of war.

Do you have children?

I have children, one of whom is married to a soldier in Baghdad. I just talked
to her. She thinks the idea of televising her husband's return, if killed or
wounded, is sick. I agree. I sure don't recall seeing the body bags being
unloaded at Travis during the Vietnam war. What would be the purpose?

I do. In fact, I saw the body bags being loaded in Saigon. And showing
them on TV serves a purpose. It drives home the death and destruction
for which George W. Bush is responsible. These servicefolk are dying,
after all, because of his trumped-up war.




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On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 20:21:45 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:

On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:21:47 -0800, "jps" wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
...

Preventing the public display for propaganda purposes of the liberals IS
treating the deceased with dignity and deserved attention. If the media
'papparazzi' (sp) need pictures of caskets, they should get permission
from the
next of kin to videotape the funeral.

Much ado about nothing.

That's why this is the first time in history this has happened, because it's
about nothing?

Should the American public be shielded from the real cost of war because
"we're fighting for a bigger purpose?"

I hope your parents weren't so calloused when you were in the military. If
my kid were shot and killed defending our country (which is why maybe the
Bush Admin. doesn't want them seen) I'd want the whole freakin' country to
see what my family had sacraficed and feel the weight of war.

Do you have children?

I have children, one of whom is married to a soldier in Baghdad. I just talked
to her. She thinks the idea of televising her husband's return, if killed or
wounded, is sick. I agree. I sure don't recall seeing the body bags being
unloaded at Travis during the Vietnam war. What would be the purpose?

I do. In fact, I saw the body bags being loaded in Saigon. And showing
them on TV serves a purpose. It drives home the death and destruction
for which George W. Bush is responsible. These servicefolk are dying,
after all, because of his trumped-up war.

Harry, you and I probably saw the same special on the Tan Son Nhut (not Saigon)
Mortuary operations. Body bags were not a nightly show on TV. Did you think what
you saw of body bags presented the deceased in a dignified manner?

Who are you (et al) to say that Americans aren't aware of the death and
destruction occurring in Iraq? Are you (et al) so presumptuous as to think that
only you can appreciate the fact of a soldier getting killed or wounded and that
other Americans must see caskets? You (et al)must hold yourself in some sort of
elevated regard if you believe that.


John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

"JohnH" wrote in message
...

Who are you (et al) to say that Americans aren't aware of the death and
destruction occurring in Iraq? Are you (et al) so presumptuous as to think
that
only you can appreciate the fact of a soldier getting killed or wounded
and that
other Americans must see caskets? You (et al)must hold yourself in some
sort of
elevated regard if you believe that.

It's a hell of lot different to eat packaged beef and witness the feed lots
and slaughter houses. You'd like for everyone to have a nicely packaged
product that hides the hideous realities of war.

Shame on you for signing onto this disgraceful practice of hiding the bad
news.

Doesn't surprise me.

On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 22:51:43 -0800, "jps" wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .

Who are you (et al) to say that Americans aren't aware of the death and
destruction occurring in Iraq? Are you (et al) so presumptuous as to think
that
only you can appreciate the fact of a soldier getting killed or wounded
and that
other Americans must see caskets? You (et al)must hold yourself in some
sort of
elevated regard if you believe that.

It's a hell of lot different to eat packaged beef and witness the feed lots
and slaughter houses. You'd like for everyone to have a nicely packaged
product that hides the hideous realities of war.

Shame on you for signing onto this disgraceful practice of hiding the bad
news.

Doesn't surprise me.

What is the difference between televising funerals, with the next of kin
permission, or televising caskets without? Your desire that caskets be shown to
Americans, who don't understand or appreciate death, would be accomplished.
Also, the dignity and privacy of the deceased and the NOK would be protected.
Seems reasonable.

I'm not trying to hide anything. I am respecting the dignity and privacy of the
deceased and the NOK. You seem hell bent on violating that privacy - turning it
into a spectacle for your (et al) own agenda.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 08:11:17 -0500, JohnH
wrote:

Your desire that caskets be shown to
Americans, who don't understand or appreciate death, would be accomplished.

Speak for yourself. I think Americans understand and appreciate
death.

bb

On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 14:10:10 GMT, bb wrote:

On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 08:11:17 -0500, JohnH
wrote:

Your desire that caskets be shown to
Americans, who don't understand or appreciate death, would be accomplished.

Speak for yourself. I think Americans understand and appreciate
death.

bb
Read the entire thread, please. You need to send this to Harry and jcs.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

"jps" wrote in message
...
"JohnH" wrote in message
...

Who are you (et al) to say that Americans aren't aware of the death and
destruction occurring in Iraq? Are you (et al) so presumptuous as to
think
that
only you can appreciate the fact of a soldier getting killed or wounded
and that
other Americans must see caskets? You (et al)must hold yourself in some
sort of
elevated regard if you believe that.

It's a hell of lot different to eat packaged beef and witness the feed
lots
and slaughter houses. You'd like for everyone to have a nicely packaged
product that hides the hideous realities of war.

Shame on you for signing onto this disgraceful practice of hiding the bad
news.

Doesn't surprise me.



I did not see a lot of cameras at Travis AFB when 50,000 dead came home from
South East Asia under a Democrat President. Where was your indignation
then. And they came home in an aluminum casket.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news
I did not see a lot of cameras at Travis AFB when 50,000 dead came home
from
South East Asia under a Democrat President. Where was your indignation
then. And they came home in an aluminum casket.

Weak argument. I recall seeing actual footage of fighting on the evening
news and plenty of caskets coming off planes.

I was a teenager and plenty indignant!!!

"jps" wrote in message
...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news
I did not see a lot of cameras at Travis AFB when 50,000 dead came home
from
South East Asia under a Democrat President. Where was your indignation
then. And they came home in an aluminum casket.

Weak argument. I recall seeing actual footage of fighting on the evening
news and plenty of caskets coming off planes.

I was a teenager and plenty indignant!!!


I was at Travis and most of the pictures were of demonstrators spitting on
returning soldiers. Where was the indignation against the leaders?