On 3/29/2020 11:13 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 08:04:49 -0400, wrote:

I saw a doctor being asked if a CPAP machine could be modified for
use as a ventilator. Answer was "No".

Also saw another doc who is currently working in a hospital in
NYC. He explained the protocols and steps taken when a person
is admitted with covid-19 and has difficulty breathing.

They are not put on a ventilator initially. They start with a
oxygen face mask. If the patient responds well, that's all
they do.

Often though, the patient will initially seem to do better
but then deteriorate. At that point they use another type
of oxygen delivery system that is under pressure.

If that fails, they go to another oxygen system that I can't
remember how it differs, but somehow it's a 'high delivery"
system.

If that fails the patient is then put on a ventilator.
The doc said the ventilator is used when all else has
failed and is used as a last resort.

I still haven't heard what the survival rate is when measures go that
far.

===


I read somewhere recently that the survival rate for ICU patients on
ventilators was about 50%, and virtually all of the 50% survivors had
some permanent lung damage. Unfortunately I don't have the original
cite for that.


The doc I heard said basically the same thing which was a surprise to
me. The ventilators that are being talked about so much are the
"last ditch" effort to try to save people who are severely affected
and the survival rate, as you say and as the doc said, is only
about 50 percent ... maybe even less.



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On 3/29/20 12:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/29/2020 11:13 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 08:04:49 -0400, wrote:

I saw a doctor being asked if a CPAP machine could be modified for
use as a ventilator.Â*Â* Answer was "No".

Also saw another doc who is currently working in a hospital in
NYC.Â* He explained the protocols and steps taken when a person
is admitted with covid-19 and has difficulty breathing.

They are not put on a ventilator initially.Â* They start with a
oxygen face mask.Â* If the patient responds well, that's all
they do.

Often though, the patient will initially seem to do better
but then deteriorate.Â* At that point they use another type
of oxygen delivery system that is under pressure.

If that fails, they go to another oxygen system that I can't
remember how it differs, but somehow it's a 'high delivery"
system.

If that fails the patient is then put on a ventilator.
The doc said the ventilator is used when all else has
failed and is used as a last resort.

I still haven't heard what the survival rate is when measures go that
far.

===


I read somewhere recently that the survival rate for ICU patients on
ventilators was about 50%, and virtually all of the 50% survivors had
some permanent lung damage.Â* Unfortunately I don't have the original
cite for that.


The doc I heard said basically the same thing which was a surprise to
me.Â* The ventilators that are being talked about so much are the
"last ditch" effort to try to save people who are severely affected
and the survival rate, as you say and as the doc said, is only
about 50 percent ... maybe even less.




What we need are massive, city by city rallies of Trump supporters
interacting on a close, personal level, especially the ones who bought
into their saviour's bull**** of how insignificant the impact of the
virus would be. Party on, and then head to Florida's west coast beaches.

On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 12:06:29 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 3/29/20 12:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/29/2020 11:13 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 08:04:49 -0400, wrote:

I saw a doctor being asked if a CPAP machine could be modified for
use as a ventilator.** Answer was "No".

Also saw another doc who is currently working in a hospital in
NYC.* He explained the protocols and steps taken when a person
is admitted with covid-19 and has difficulty breathing.

They are not put on a ventilator initially.* They start with a
oxygen face mask.* If the patient responds well, that's all
they do.

Often though, the patient will initially seem to do better
but then deteriorate.* At that point they use another type
of oxygen delivery system that is under pressure.

If that fails, they go to another oxygen system that I can't
remember how it differs, but somehow it's a 'high delivery"
system.

If that fails the patient is then put on a ventilator.
The doc said the ventilator is used when all else has
failed and is used as a last resort.

I still haven't heard what the survival rate is when measures go that
far.

===


I read somewhere recently that the survival rate for ICU patients on
ventilators was about 50%, and virtually all of the 50% survivors had
some permanent lung damage.* Unfortunately I don't have the original
cite for that.


The doc I heard said basically the same thing which was a surprise to
me.* The ventilators that are being talked about so much are the
"last ditch" effort to try to save people who are severely affected
and the survival rate, as you say and as the doc said, is only
about 50 percent ... maybe even less.




What we need are massive, city by city rallies of Trump supporters
interacting on a close, personal level, especially the ones who bought
into their saviour's bull**** of how insignificant the impact of the
virus would be. Party on, and then head to Florida's west coast beaches.

The expression, "**** you" is more than you deserve.
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On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 12:06:31 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/29/20 12:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/29/2020 11:13 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 08:04:49 -0400, wrote:

I saw a doctor being asked if a CPAP machine could be modified for
use as a ventilator.Â*Â* Answer was "No".

Also saw another doc who is currently working in a hospital in
NYC.Â* He explained the protocols and steps taken when a person
is admitted with covid-19 and has difficulty breathing.

They are not put on a ventilator initially.Â* They start with a
oxygen face mask.Â* If the patient responds well, that's all
they do.

Often though, the patient will initially seem to do better
but then deteriorate.Â* At that point they use another type
of oxygen delivery system that is under pressure.

If that fails, they go to another oxygen system that I can't
remember how it differs, but somehow it's a 'high delivery"
system.

If that fails the patient is then put on a ventilator.
The doc said the ventilator is used when all else has
failed and is used as a last resort.

I still haven't heard what the survival rate is when measures go that
far.

===


I read somewhere recently that the survival rate for ICU patients on
ventilators was about 50%, and virtually all of the 50% survivors had
some permanent lung damage.Â* Unfortunately I don't have the original
cite for that.


The doc I heard said basically the same thing which was a surprise to
me.Â* The ventilators that are being talked about so much are the
"last ditch" effort to try to save people who are severely affected
and the survival rate, as you say and as the doc said, is only
about 50 percent ... maybe even less.




What we need are massive, city by city rallies of Trump supporters
interacting on a close, personal level, especially the ones who bought
into their saviour's bull**** of how insignificant the impact of the
virus would be. Party on, and then head to Florida's west coast beaches.

They've been doing that already. Oh, sorry. That was the idiot liberal Democrat voters.

On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 12:06:29 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/29/20 12:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/29/2020 11:13 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 08:04:49 -0400, wrote:

I saw a doctor being asked if a CPAP machine could be modified for
use as a ventilator.Â*Â* Answer was "No".

Also saw another doc who is currently working in a hospital in
NYC.Â* He explained the protocols and steps taken when a person
is admitted with covid-19 and has difficulty breathing.

They are not put on a ventilator initially.Â* They start with a
oxygen face mask.Â* If the patient responds well, that's all
they do.

Often though, the patient will initially seem to do better
but then deteriorate.Â* At that point they use another type
of oxygen delivery system that is under pressure.

If that fails, they go to another oxygen system that I can't
remember how it differs, but somehow it's a 'high delivery"
system.

If that fails the patient is then put on a ventilator.
The doc said the ventilator is used when all else has
failed and is used as a last resort.

I still haven't heard what the survival rate is when measures go that
far.

===


I read somewhere recently that the survival rate for ICU patients on
ventilators was about 50%, and virtually all of the 50% survivors had
some permanent lung damage.Â* Unfortunately I don't have the original
cite for that.


The doc I heard said basically the same thing which was a surprise to
me.Â* The ventilators that are being talked about so much are the
"last ditch" effort to try to save people who are severely affected
and the survival rate, as you say and as the doc said, is only
about 50 percent ... maybe even less.




What we need are massive, city by city rallies of Trump supporters
interacting on a close, personal level, especially the ones who bought
into their saviour's bull**** of how insignificant the impact of the
virus would be. Party on, and then head to Florida's west coast beaches.

They are already in Southern Md so you be careful now. The doctor
thinks my niece had it and got over it (a few miles down the road from
you) but they don't have any tests to be sure.

Wrote in message:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 12:06:29 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:On 3/29/20 12:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/29/2020 11:13 AM, wrote: On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 08:04:49 -0400, wrote: I saw a doctor being asked if a CPAP machine could be modified for use as a ventilator. Answer was "No". Also saw another doc who is currently working in a hospital in NYC. He explained the protocols and steps taken when a person is admitted with covid-19 and has difficulty breathing. They are not put on a ventilator initially. They start with a oxygen face mask. If the patient responds well, that's all they do. Often though, the patient will initially seem to do better but then deteriorate. At that point they use another type of oxygen delivery system that is under pressure. If that fails, they go to another oxygen system that I can't remember how it differs, but somehow it's a 'high delivery" system. If that fails the patient is then put on a ventilator. The doc said the ventilator is used when all else has failed and is used as a last resort. I still haven't heard what the survival rate is when measures go that far. === I read somewhere recently that the survival rate for ICU patients on ventilators was about 50%, and virtually all of the 50% survivors had some permanent lung damage. Unfortunately I don't have the original cite for that. The doc I heard said basically the same thing which was a surprise to me. The ventilators that are being talked about so much are the "last ditch" effort to try to save people who are severely affected and the survival rate, as you say and as the doc said, is only about 50 percent ... maybe even less. What we need are massive, city by city rallies of Trump supporters interacting on a close, personal level, especially the ones who bought into their saviour's bull**** of how insignificant the impact of the virus would be. Party on, and then head to Florida's west coast beaches.They are already in Southern Md so you be careful now. The doctorthinks my niece had it and got over it (a few miles down the road fromyou) but they don't have any tests to be sure.

I wonder if she touched the same gas pump that Fat Harry did? If
so she might be a carrier.
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On 3/29/20 5:00 PM, Justan Ohlphart wrote:

I wonder if she touched the same gas pump that Fat Harry did? If
so she might be a carrier.


You know what is really sad here? You. About three quarters of your
posts, maybe more, are juvenile insults aimed at me. You really have
nothing intelligent, clever, or funny to say about anything, do you? And
a few of your FLEEG compadres here are in that same little boat.

What a sad sack of **** you are.

On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 18:47:31 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 3/29/20 5:00 PM, Justan Ohlphart wrote:

I wonder if she touched the same gas pump that Fat Harry did? If
so she might be a carrier.


You know what is really sad here? You. About three quarters of your
posts, maybe more, are juvenile insults aimed at me. You really have
nothing intelligent, clever, or funny to say about anything, do you? And
a few of your FLEEG compadres here are in that same little boat.

What a sad sack of **** you are.

And about 95% of your posts are attacks on the conservatives here.

What a horrid sack of **** you are.
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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/29/20 5:00 PM, Justan Ohlphart wrote:

I wonder if she touched the same gas pump that Fat Harry did? If
so she might be a carrier.


You know what is really sad here? You. About three quarters of your
posts, maybe more, are juvenile insults aimed at me. You really have
nothing intelligent, clever, or funny to say about anything, do you? And
a few of your FLEEG compadres here are in that same little boat.

What a sad sack of **** you are.


Sounds like you describing yourself and your posts.

On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 18:47:31 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/29/20 5:00 PM, Justan Ohlphart wrote:

I wonder if she touched the same gas pump that Fat Harry did? If
so she might be a carrier.


You know what is really sad here? You. About three quarters of your
posts, maybe more, are juvenile insults aimed at me. You really have
nothing intelligent, clever, or funny to say about anything, do you? And
a few of your FLEEG compadres here are in that same little boat.

What a sad sack of **** you are.

===

'Airry, you've been making juvenile insults aimed at almost everyone
on this group for over 20 years. So what does that make you?

What a sad sack of **** *you* are.


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