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Boat crash in Ft. Lauderdale
On 1/2/2020 7:34 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 17:48:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/2/2020 11:29 AM, wrote: On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 07:05:19 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/1/2020 10:50 PM, Justan Ohlphart wrote: Wrote in message: On Wed, 01 Jan 2020 13:00:28 -0500, John H. wrote:On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 16:45:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:John H. wrote: On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 21:13:43 -0500, Alex wrote: Last night... https://wsvn.com/news/local/several-injured-after-boat-crashes-into-jetty-near-fort-lauderdale/ Cocktails? Not every jetty shows up on a GPS. That happened a few times in Deale, MD, when folks would follow the GPS to get home. Midnight and speed. He was not going slow to get that far up the rocks ina 42’ boat.For sure speed. Same thing happens in Deale. Going fast and taking the line offered by the GPS hasbeen the problem more than once. Everyone knows I am the real Luddite here but I fear modernelectronics is taking the place of basic seamanship and the importanceof local knowledge. Why do you fear modern ways of navigating? If you should ever decide to expand your horizons, you might embrace some of the newer technology available. I think that the advent of GPS, chart plotters and radar (if understood and used properly) have made boating (and aviation) much safer than in the days of compasses and paper charts. That still doesn't mean you can avoid learning the basics of seamanship and navigation. For a river and bay boater like me, that is all overkill anyway. If I was trying to find a small Caribbean island in a big ocean, I see the need but just trying to avoid a jetty or oyster bar that may not be in the database in the first place is just giving a false sense of security. Don't think we were talking "seamanship". That's a wide ranging subject. Boating with "local knowledge" really isn't celestial navigation either. I think very few of us .... with the exception of Wayne ... really needs to know how to navigate by the stars. Even local boating for me was primarily local knowledge. Even on fishing trips, 30-40 miles off shore didn't require any great navigation skills. In fact, without GPS, it would be almost impossible to find our "secret spot" for cod. Without GPS, I would probably be up to a half mile away. With GPS, I could find the rise on the ocean bottom in 260 feet of water that was our "secret spot" within a couple of yards. If the GPS crapped out, all I really had to do is follow the compass west. Eventually, I'd hit land. Back in the olden days (79-80) my buddy could find his secret spot in the Chesapeake bay just using landmarks onshore and a depth "scratcher". It was a 33 mile run down there from the marina. Now it is trivial to see using google earth and a $59 GPS would put you down on it. 37.736061 -75.934284 Then follow that cut southwest. Difference is that my "secret spot" was 32 miles offshore from Scituate, MA and there are no on-shore landmarks in sight. |
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Boat crash in Ft. Lauderdale
On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 06:47:47 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 1/2/2020 7:34 PM, wrote: On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 17:48:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/2/2020 11:29 AM, wrote: On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 07:05:19 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/1/2020 10:50 PM, Justan Ohlphart wrote: Wrote in message: On Wed, 01 Jan 2020 13:00:28 -0500, John H. wrote:On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 16:45:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:John H. wrote: On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 21:13:43 -0500, Alex wrote: Last night... https://wsvn.com/news/local/several-injured-after-boat-crashes-into-jetty-near-fort-lauderdale/ Cocktails? Not every jetty shows up on a GPS. That happened a few times in Deale, MD, when folks would follow the GPS to get home. Midnight and speed. He was not going slow to get that far up the rocks ina 42’ boat.For sure speed. Same thing happens in Deale. Going fast and taking the line offered by the GPS hasbeen the problem more than once. Everyone knows I am the real Luddite here but I fear modernelectronics is taking the place of basic seamanship and the importanceof local knowledge. Why do you fear modern ways of navigating? If you should ever decide to expand your horizons, you might embrace some of the newer technology available. I think that the advent of GPS, chart plotters and radar (if understood and used properly) have made boating (and aviation) much safer than in the days of compasses and paper charts. That still doesn't mean you can avoid learning the basics of seamanship and navigation. For a river and bay boater like me, that is all overkill anyway. If I was trying to find a small Caribbean island in a big ocean, I see the need but just trying to avoid a jetty or oyster bar that may not be in the database in the first place is just giving a false sense of security. Don't think we were talking "seamanship". That's a wide ranging subject. Boating with "local knowledge" really isn't celestial navigation either. I think very few of us .... with the exception of Wayne ... really needs to know how to navigate by the stars. Even local boating for me was primarily local knowledge. Even on fishing trips, 30-40 miles off shore didn't require any great navigation skills. In fact, without GPS, it would be almost impossible to find our "secret spot" for cod. Without GPS, I would probably be up to a half mile away. With GPS, I could find the rise on the ocean bottom in 260 feet of water that was our "secret spot" within a couple of yards. If the GPS crapped out, all I really had to do is follow the compass west. Eventually, I'd hit land. Back in the olden days (79-80) my buddy could find his secret spot in the Chesapeake bay just using landmarks onshore and a depth "scratcher". It was a 33 mile run down there from the marina. Now it is trivial to see using google earth and a $59 GPS would put you down on it. 37.736061 -75.934284 Then follow that cut southwest. Difference is that my "secret spot" was 32 miles offshore from Scituate, MA and there are no on-shore landmarks in sight. I have already said if you are offshore, GPS is a godsend. Most boaters never leave sight of land and for the guy in Ft Lauderdale "land" was his problem. He hit it. |
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Boat crash in Ft. Lauderdale
On Thu, 02 Jan 2020 19:34:18 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 17:48:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/2/2020 11:29 AM, wrote: On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 07:05:19 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/1/2020 10:50 PM, Justan Ohlphart wrote: Wrote in message: On Wed, 01 Jan 2020 13:00:28 -0500, John H. wrote:On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 16:45:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:John H. wrote: On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 21:13:43 -0500, Alex wrote: Last night... https://wsvn.com/news/local/several-injured-after-boat-crashes-into-jetty-near-fort-lauderdale/ Cocktails? Not every jetty shows up on a GPS. That happened a few times in Deale, MD, when folks would follow the GPS to get home. Midnight and speed. He was not going slow to get that far up the rocks ina 42’ boat.For sure speed. Same thing happens in Deale. Going fast and taking the line offered by the GPS hasbeen the problem more than once. Everyone knows I am the real Luddite here but I fear modernelectronics is taking the place of basic seamanship and the importanceof local knowledge. Why do you fear modern ways of navigating? If you should ever decide to expand your horizons, you might embrace some of the newer technology available. I think that the advent of GPS, chart plotters and radar (if understood and used properly) have made boating (and aviation) much safer than in the days of compasses and paper charts. That still doesn't mean you can avoid learning the basics of seamanship and navigation. For a river and bay boater like me, that is all overkill anyway. If I was trying to find a small Caribbean island in a big ocean, I see the need but just trying to avoid a jetty or oyster bar that may not be in the database in the first place is just giving a false sense of security. Don't think we were talking "seamanship". That's a wide ranging subject. Boating with "local knowledge" really isn't celestial navigation either. I think very few of us .... with the exception of Wayne ... really needs to know how to navigate by the stars. Even local boating for me was primarily local knowledge. Even on fishing trips, 30-40 miles off shore didn't require any great navigation skills. In fact, without GPS, it would be almost impossible to find our "secret spot" for cod. Without GPS, I would probably be up to a half mile away. With GPS, I could find the rise on the ocean bottom in 260 feet of water that was our "secret spot" within a couple of yards. If the GPS crapped out, all I really had to do is follow the compass west. Eventually, I'd hit land. Back in the olden days (79-80) my buddy could find his secret spot in the Chesapeake bay just using landmarks onshore and a depth "scratcher". It was a 33 mile run down there from the marina. Now it is trivial to see using google earth and a $59 GPS would put you down on it. 37.736061-75.934284 Then follow that cut southwest. Add an 'N' and a 'W' or you may end up in China. Why so far south. I'd always be able to limit out on stripers just outside Deale. |
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Boat crash in Ft. Lauderdale
On Fri, 03 Jan 2020 09:32:12 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Thu, 02 Jan 2020 19:34:18 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 17:48:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/2/2020 11:29 AM, wrote: On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 07:05:19 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/1/2020 10:50 PM, Justan Ohlphart wrote: Wrote in message: On Wed, 01 Jan 2020 13:00:28 -0500, John H. wrote:On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 16:45:16 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:John H. wrote: On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 21:13:43 -0500, Alex wrote: Last night... https://wsvn.com/news/local/several-injured-after-boat-crashes-into-jetty-near-fort-lauderdale/ Cocktails? Not every jetty shows up on a GPS. That happened a few times in Deale, MD, when folks would follow the GPS to get home. Midnight and speed. He was not going slow to get that far up the rocks ina 42’ boat.For sure speed. Same thing happens in Deale. Going fast and taking the line offered by the GPS hasbeen the problem more than once. Everyone knows I am the real Luddite here but I fear modernelectronics is taking the place of basic seamanship and the importanceof local knowledge. Why do you fear modern ways of navigating? If you should ever decide to expand your horizons, you might embrace some of the newer technology available. I think that the advent of GPS, chart plotters and radar (if understood and used properly) have made boating (and aviation) much safer than in the days of compasses and paper charts. That still doesn't mean you can avoid learning the basics of seamanship and navigation. For a river and bay boater like me, that is all overkill anyway. If I was trying to find a small Caribbean island in a big ocean, I see the need but just trying to avoid a jetty or oyster bar that may not be in the database in the first place is just giving a false sense of security. Don't think we were talking "seamanship". That's a wide ranging subject. Boating with "local knowledge" really isn't celestial navigation either. I think very few of us .... with the exception of Wayne ... really needs to know how to navigate by the stars. Even local boating for me was primarily local knowledge. Even on fishing trips, 30-40 miles off shore didn't require any great navigation skills. In fact, without GPS, it would be almost impossible to find our "secret spot" for cod. Without GPS, I would probably be up to a half mile away. With GPS, I could find the rise on the ocean bottom in 260 feet of water that was our "secret spot" within a couple of yards. If the GPS crapped out, all I really had to do is follow the compass west. Eventually, I'd hit land. Back in the olden days (79-80) my buddy could find his secret spot in the Chesapeake bay just using landmarks onshore and a depth "scratcher". It was a 33 mile run down there from the marina. Now it is trivial to see using google earth and a $59 GPS would put you down on it. 37.736061-75.934284 Then follow that cut southwest. Add an 'N' and a 'W' or you may end up in China. Why so far south. I'd always be able to limit out on stripers just outside Deale. This was for trout and croakers. Rockfish were rare and illegal to take in those days. I never saw one. They were around in the 50s but we caught them all. In the 70s there were no limits on the fish you could take, you just could not take a rockfish if you caught one. I also never even heard of DNR stopping anyone. With no limits, no license required and no drug running, I am not sure what they would be stopping you for. They were all up in the north bay, South River going after people catching small crabs and water skiing to close to docks or other boaters. |
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