On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 12:50:48 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/8/2019 12:29 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 11:29:19 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 1/8/19 11:26 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 09:17:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/8/2019 8:58 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/7/19 7:49 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jan 2019 18:22:38 -0500,
wrote:

On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 13:03:14 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

John H
I found this very interesting. Probably won't see it on CNN:

The caravan invasion - Why they went where they did.
The blue path is the one that the migrants took to the San Ysidro
Port of Entry at Tijuana/San
Diego, CA. The red path is the one that they could have taken to the
Hidalgo Port of Entry at
Reynosa/McAllen, TX.
http://funkyimg.com/i/2PXvz.png
Notice the difference? The path to McAllen is approximately 1,300
miles long; whereas the path to
San Diego is approximately 2,700 miles long. So the caravan
travelled more than twice as far as it
needed to.
Why in the world would they do that? They didn't have their own
vehicles, and they weren't carrying
enough food or resources to justify the longer journey.
There are two reasons.
The first reason can be summed up in two words: Ninth Circuit. The
caravan members have been advised
by liberal immigration attorneys all along. Not only were the
migrants coached on what to say when
claiming asylum, they were also evidently coached on where to go.
Travelling the extra 1,400 miles to Tijuana/San Diego would take the
migrants to the Ninth Circuit
of the U.S. Court of Appeals, with its numerous judges willing to
minimize the President's statutory
authority to restrict entry of aliens into the United States. And
the presence of similar federal
judges at the district level in California would increase the
probability that the migrants'
attorneys would obtain an initial ruling in their favor.
And that's exactly what happened. When President Trump exercised his
authority under 8 U.S.C.
1182(f) to "impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may
deem to be appropriate," a federal
judge in San Francisco issued a temporary restraining order blocking
the President's action. The
Ninth Circuit will likely agree with the district judge. Even if the
Trump Administration prevails
in any appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court, it will take at least a
year to reverse the district
judge's ruling.
The second reason for travelling twice the distance is that
California is a sanctuary state with
dozens of sanctuary cities like Los Angeles and San Francisco. Those
jurisdictions will actively
seek to protect the migrants who enter illegally from deportation.
On top of that, the state may interfere more directly with federal
immigration enforcement. State
Attorney General Xavier Becerra said recently that he might sue the
federal government to stop the
use of tear gas to defend the border or to stop the federal
government from shutting down ports of
entry. His argument is full of holes, but with the right judge that
might not matter.
In contrast, in Texas, law enforcement agencies like the Texas
Department of Public Safety cooperate
with federal officials to improve border enforcement. To be sure,
there are some sanctuary cities in
Texas too; but it's nothing like California.
In short, the migrants' attorneys made sure that the caravan went
the extra mile - or extra 1,400
miles - to arrive where the rule of law is the weakest in the United
States. And their advice
appears to be paying off. Federal immigration enforcement personnel
can still prevail, but the
playing field is tilted against them.
...........


That is interesting. Especially the course of the map.Â* Thanks!


===

And if the Mexican authorities had any back bone they would have been
stopped long before reaching Tiajuana, maybe at the Guatemalan border
even.

They tried that and found themselves in a similar position as we are
in. They had a riot and were teargassing the illegals. I am not sure a
couple were not shot but the public backlash made hem stand down.
I wonder if Don would be happier in they were knocking on the Canadian
border.
Maybe we should just hold them till spring and then bus them north,
spread out across the whole 3000 miles. We would not want to do to
them what is happening in Tijuana with all of them piling in to one
city.


I notice that you right-wingers don't mention the really large illegal
immigration problem, the foreigners who enter this country on limited
term visas and overstay those visas. Oh, wait...they're mostly not
darker-skinned Latinos.


Harry hit the "racist" button again. He's been well trained.

... and as usual with his machine gun insults he hit the wrong guy. I
like the Latinos. I have said many times, if they pass a background
check, find a job and pay their taxes, I have no problem with them
being here but I am not trying to protect lazy union workers.


And as usual, Fretwell insults union workers...including those members
of construction unions where he probably would not pass muster for
apprenticeship training.

I have actually done the work of most of the trades and I answered
questions for master electricians when I was inspecting because they
simply did not know where the code was going.

But enough of the "But what aboutitus" from you.
The only places where unions accept immigrants is in union dominated
check card states where they see them as new recruiting opportunities.




Legal immigrants? No problem.
Illegal immigrants? Build a wall.


Get the illegal immigrants to build the wall and it will only cost $2
billion and get done faster.

On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 10:33:36 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 09:37:34 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

I don't have any problems with the hard-working, family oriented Latinos
who come across our border for a decent life. That's what my ancestors did.

===

Did they enter legally or illegally?

There is a difference.




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(hordes of them)

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2019 9:37 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/8/19 9:32 AM, Tim wrote:

7:59 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
I notice that you right-wingers don't mention the really large illegal
immigration problem, the foreigners who enter this country on limited
term visas and overstay those visas. Oh, wait...they're mostly not
darker-skinned Latinos.

.......


Funny, no one sees you addressing that problem either.

Or is it a problem for you, Harry?



I don't have any problems with the hard-working, family oriented Latinos
who come across our border for a decent life. That's what my ancestors did.

You're a Latino?


Did his relatives break the law while entering, or did they through the
legal steps?

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/8/19 10:03 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2019 9:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/8/19 9:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2019 9:37 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/8/19 9:32 AM, Tim wrote:

7:59 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
I notice that you right-wingers don't mention the really large illegal
immigration problem, the foreigners who enter this country on limited
term visas and overstay those visas. Oh, wait...they're mostly not
darker-skinned Latinos.

.......


Funny, no one sees you addressing that problem either.

Or is it a problem for you, Harry?



I don't have any problems with the hard-working, family oriented
Latinos who come across our border for a decent life. That's what my
ancestors did.


You're a Latino?

D'uh. I didn't say "that's *who* my ancestors were. Ah,
rec.boats...full of good readers.

Read what you wrote again then consider improving your writing skills.



Hehehehe. I are be an injineer.


Nope, you have no math or useful skills.

On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 3:47:10 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2019 9:37 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 1/8/19 9:32 AM, Tim wrote:

7:59 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
I notice that you right-wingers don't mention the really large illegal
immigration problem, the foreigners who enter this country on limited
term visas and overstay those visas. Oh, wait...they're mostly not
darker-skinned Latinos.

.......


Funny, no one sees you addressing that problem either.

Or is it a problem for you, Harry?



I don't have any problems with the hard-working, family oriented Latinos
who come across our border for a decent life. That's what my ancestors did.

You're a Latino?


Did his relatives break the law while entering, or did they through the
legal steps?

harry is an anchor baby?

On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 15:10:14 -0500 (EST), Justan Ohlphart wrote:

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/8/19 9:32 AM, Tim wrote:

7:59 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
I notice that you right-wingers don't mention the really large illegal
immigration problem, the foreigners who enter this country on limited
term visas and overstay those visas. Oh, wait...they're mostly not
darker-skinned Latinos.

.......


Funny, no one sees you addressing that problem either.

Or is it a problem for you, Harry?


I don't have any problems with the hard-working, family oriented Latinos
who come across our border for a decent life. That's what my ancestors did.

Your ancesters were illegals.

I wonder why he won't address the 'legality' of his ancestors. Mine came here legally, and I'm not
ashamed of it.

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 15:10:14 -0500 (EST), Justan Ohlphart wrote:

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/8/19 9:32 AM, Tim wrote:

7:59 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
I notice that you right-wingers don't mention the really large illegal
immigration problem, the foreigners who enter this country on limited
term visas and overstay those visas. Oh, wait...they're mostly not
darker-skinned Latinos.

.......


Funny, no one sees you addressing that problem either.

Or is it a problem for you, Harry?


I don't have any problems with the hard-working, family oriented Latinos
who come across our border for a decent life. That's what my ancestors did.

Your ancesters were illegals.

I wonder why he won't address the 'legality' of his ancestors. Mine came
here legally, and I'm not
ashamed of it.


Some of mine came before much was required. Probably sent here by the king
or queen for antisocial behavior. Harry talks about New Haven. My distant
direct relatives were there in 1657. And one was an anti slavery signer of
the Declaration of Independence from New Jersey.

On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 17:23:57 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 15:10:14 -0500 (EST), Justan Ohlphart wrote:

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/8/19 9:32 AM, Tim wrote:

7:59 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
I notice that you right-wingers don't mention the really large illegal
immigration problem, the foreigners who enter this country on limited
term visas and overstay those visas. Oh, wait...they're mostly not
darker-skinned Latinos.

.......


Funny, no one sees you addressing that problem either.

Or is it a problem for you, Harry?


I don't have any problems with the hard-working, family oriented Latinos
who come across our border for a decent life. That's what my ancestors did.

Your ancesters were illegals.

I wonder why he won't address the 'legality' of his ancestors. Mine came here legally, and I'm not
ashamed of it.

After churning my way through Ancertry.Com. I found out virtually all
of my ancestors predate the "United States" by at least a generation.
I get back to the 1700s and even the 1600s for virtually all of them.
Strangely the Germans are the ones who dead end in the 1860s.
The legend was they were Hessians and I suppose they might have kept a
low profile after the war. They popped up as soldiers in the next one.

On 1/8/19 3:10 PM, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 1/8/19 9:32 AM, Tim wrote:

7:59 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
I notice that you right-wingers don't mention the really large illegal
immigration problem, the foreigners who enter this country on limited
term visas and overstay those visas. Oh, wait...they're mostly not
darker-skinned Latinos.

.......


Funny, no one sees you addressing that problem either.

Or is it a problem for you, Harry?


I don't have any problems with the hard-working, family oriented Latinos
who come across our border for a decent life. That's what my ancestors did.

Your ancesters were illegals.



Never discussed that with them. I know my paternal grandfather and his
brother walked and rode carts on which they could beg a ride from a
place near Moscow to Bremerhaven in Germany to get on a ship headed to
the United States. I've seen the documents in which they were passed
through U.S. immigration before my grandfather moved on to Philadelphia
and his brother moved on to New Haven. I did see the naturalization
papers of my paternal grandfather and his wife.

I don't know a lot about my maternal grandparents' immigration here,
though both were naturalized just before WW I. They settled in Boston.

And, of course, unlike your ancestors, both sides of my family back then
understood the importance of education. My father and mother were both
college grads, and many familial sacrifices were made for that to be
possible.

On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 18:37:23 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 14:48:57 -0500 (EST), Justan Ohlphart
wrote:

True North Wrote in message:


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On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 17:01:50 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:


On Mon, 07 Jan 2019 18:22:38 -0500,
wrote:
- show quoted text -
"They tried that and found themselves in a similar position as we are
in. They had a riot and were teargassing the illegals. I am not sure a
couple were not shot but the public backlash made hem stand down.
I wonder if Don would be happier in they were knocking on the Canadian
border.
Maybe we should just hold them till spring and then bus them north,
spread out across the whole 3000 miles. We would not want to do to
them what is happening in Tijuana with all of them piling in to one
city."


That very thing happened with your Haitian refugees...mostly from your state.
They are scared Trump would round them up and send them packing so they are crossing the border into a more civilized culture...mostly in Quebec at this point.

"We have about 11 million more, I will tell Trump to bus them on up
there.
BTW how do you know all of your Haitians came from Florida? There are
a ****load in New York alone."


From early news reports.
Funny...back then in the winter more seemed to be crossing into Manitoba but now Quebec seems to be favoured. Maybe the French language draws them or the already existing large Haitian community
in Quebec.




Mebbe the Hatians are afraid to learn English.

The Creole they speak is not really French and certainly not Canadian
French.
It would be like a Chicano going to Spain.


===

My wife speaks fluent Parisian French and has had some experience
communicating with Hatians. She says it's difficult but is able to
make herself understood, much like with French Canadians.

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