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....Trump shoveling his usual bull**** and Nancy Pelosi calling him out
and shutting him down. from the WashPost: Donald Trump, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer berated each other on camera Tuesday over Trump’s border wall, an Oval Office spectacle that underscored the distance between the two sides as they confront a fast-approaching deadline for a partial government shutdown. The stunning public spat, during which Schumer accused the president of throwing a “temper tantrum,” ended with Trump declaring he’d be proud to shut down the government to get the money he wants for his long-promised U.S.-Mexico border wall. If the president follows through on the threat, about 25 percent of the federal government would begin to run out of money on Dec. 21, putting hundreds of thousands of federal workers at risk of getting furloughed without pay just before Christmas. The two sides remain billions apart on border security — the president is demanding $5 billion for a wall, and Democrats will offer no more than $1.3 billion for fencing — and Tuesday’s talks brought them no closer to a resolution. The three leaders pointed fingers, raised their voices and interrupted one another repeatedly as they fought over policy and politics, laying bare their differences for all to see. Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the Oval Office. As the argument dragged on, Schumer lectured Trump that “Elections have consequences, Mr. President.” heh heh heh... Gee, Trump said about 100 times that "Mexico would pay for" his wall. Too funny. |
Wonderful to watch...
On 12/12/2018 7:15 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
...Trump shoveling his usual bull**** and Nancy Pelosi calling him out and shutting him down. from the WashPost: Donald Trump, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer berated each other on camera Tuesday over Trump’s border wall, an Oval Office spectacle that underscored the distance between the two sides as they confront a fast-approaching deadline for a partial government shutdown. The stunning public spat, during which Schumer accused the president of throwing a “temper tantrum,” ended with Trump declaring he’d be proud to shut down the government to get the money he wants for his long-promised U.S.-Mexico border wall. If the president follows through on the threat, about 25 percent of the federal government would begin to run out of money on Dec. 21, putting hundreds of thousands of federal workers at risk of getting furloughed without pay just before Christmas. The two sides remain billions apart on border security — the president is demanding $5 billion for a wall, and Democrats will offer no more than $1.3 billion for fencing — and Tuesday’s talks brought them no closer to a resolution. The three leaders pointed fingers, raised their voices and interrupted one another repeatedly as they fought over policy and politics, laying bare their differences for all to see. Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the Oval Office. As the argument dragged on, Schumer lectured Trump that “Elections have consequences, Mr. President.” heh heh heh... Gee, Trump said about 100 times that "Mexico would pay for" his wall. Too funny. Nancy Pelosi shut him down? Ha ha! It's entertaining to watch how the left interprets such things. Pelosi and Schumer didn't "shut Trump down". Just the opposite. Trump exposed both of them as being the secretive, "we know better than anyone" Democrats who didn't want the press and public to know what was being discussed. Very typical. Reminds one of "you have to pass it to see what's in it". Trump isn't typical. He's a "in your face New Yorker" and it's refreshing to see him make the secretive lefties squirm a bit. Pelosi and Schumer agree that better border control is necessary yet when the lights on the cameras are turned off they both support sanctuary cities in their home states. They also both voted for building a wall previously but have changed their tune when Trump was elected instead of their favorite, Hillary. If I were Trump at that meeting I would have encouraged either of them (but especially Schumer) that if they/he think they have a better solution they should run for POTUS in 2020 and wrestle with the problem. They won't of course. It would expose them again as being the hypocrites that they are. Their only objective is to oppose *anything* Trump wants to do and to hell with what is in the best interests of the country. |
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On 12/12/18 7:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/12/2018 7:15 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: ...Trump shoveling his usual bull**** and Nancy Pelosi calling him out and shutting him down. from the WashPost: Donald Trump, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer berated each other on camera Tuesday over Trump’s border wall, an Oval Office spectacle that underscored the distance between the two sides as they confront a fast-approaching deadline for a partial government shutdown. The stunning public spat, during which Schumer accused the president of throwing a “temper tantrum,” ended with Trump declaring he’d be proud to shut down the government to get the money he wants for his long-promised U.S.-Mexico border wall. If the president follows through on the threat, about 25 percent of the federal government would begin to run out of money on Dec. 21, putting hundreds of thousands of federal workers at risk of getting furloughed without pay just before Christmas. The two sides remain billions apart on border security — the president is demanding $5 billion for a wall, and Democrats will offer no more than $1.3 billion for fencing — and Tuesday’s talks brought them no closer to a resolution. The three leaders pointed fingers, raised their voices and interrupted one another repeatedly as they fought over policy and politics, laying bare their differences for all to see. Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the Oval Office. As the argument dragged on, Schumer lectured Trump that “Elections have consequences, Mr. President.” heh heh heh... Gee, Trump said about 100 times that "Mexico would pay for" his wall. Too funny. If I were Trump at that meeting I would have encouraged either of them (but especially Schumer)* that if they/he think they have a better solution they should run for POTUS in 2020 and wrestle with the problem. They won't of course.* It would expose them again as being the hypocrites that they are.* Their only objective is to oppose *anything* Trump wants to do and to hell with what is in the best interests of the country. No one wants Trump's wall, except for Trump. No one wants a government shutdown, except for Trump. And Mexico ain't paying for Trump's wall. |
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“Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to
be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the Oval Office. ...” They’re evidently used to closed door and back room deals and can’t handle the wide open spaces.. nothing wrong with having the discussion out in the open. |
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On 12/12/18 7:48 AM, Tim wrote:
“Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the Oval Office. ...” They’re evidently used to closed door and back room deals and can’t handle the wide open spaces.. nothing wrong with having the discussion out in the open. It was wonderful to watch Donald Bluster make a fool out of himself, over and over. So, when is MEXICO going to pay for Trump's wall? |
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On 12/12/2018 7:39 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/12/18 7:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/12/2018 7:15 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: ...Trump shoveling his usual bull**** and Nancy Pelosi calling him out and shutting him down. from the WashPost: Donald Trump, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer berated each other on camera Tuesday over Trump’s border wall, an Oval Office spectacle that underscored the distance between the two sides as they confront a fast-approaching deadline for a partial government shutdown. The stunning public spat, during which Schumer accused the president of throwing a “temper tantrum,” ended with Trump declaring he’d be proud to shut down the government to get the money he wants for his long-promised U.S.-Mexico border wall. If the president follows through on the threat, about 25 percent of the federal government would begin to run out of money on Dec. 21, putting hundreds of thousands of federal workers at risk of getting furloughed without pay just before Christmas. The two sides remain billions apart on border security — the president is demanding $5 billion for a wall, and Democrats will offer no more than $1.3 billion for fencing — and Tuesday’s talks brought them no closer to a resolution. The three leaders pointed fingers, raised their voices and interrupted one another repeatedly as they fought over policy and politics, laying bare their differences for all to see. Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the Oval Office. As the argument dragged on, Schumer lectured Trump that “Elections have consequences, Mr. President.” heh heh heh... Gee, Trump said about 100 times that "Mexico would pay for" his wall. Too funny. If I were Trump at that meeting I would have encouraged either of them (but especially Schumer)* that if they/he think they have a better solution they should run for POTUS in 2020 and wrestle with the problem. They won't of course.* It would expose them again as being the hypocrites that they are.* Their only objective is to oppose *anything* Trump wants to do and to hell with what is in the best interests of the country. No one wants Trump's wall, except for Trump. No one wants a government shutdown, except for Trump. And Mexico ain't paying for Trump's wall. The $5 billion Trump is currently requesting for a wall represents one tenth of 1 percent of the overall budget. Big f'in deal. The Dems aren't on record of opposing that expenditure to improve border security. They voted *for* it before. The issue isn't "want" or "money". The issue is the opposition to anything Trump. Many politicians are dishonest, despicable, elitists who put their party and power before the best interests of the people they are supposed to be representing. All of this is nothing but political horse****. |
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On 12/12/2018 7:48 AM, Tim wrote:
“Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the Oval Office. ...” They’re evidently used to closed door and back room deals and can’t handle the wide open spaces.. nothing wrong with having the discussion out in the open. Yup. Pelosi and Schumer were in panic mode. Kept looking over nervously at the live TV cameras while begging Trump to "go private". No! I think Trump did the right thing. Talk about it in the open so every citizen who is interested can see for themselves what these airheads are saying. After the meeting both Pelosi and Schumer went back to their canned, lefty spin of course when talking to the press. |
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On 12/12/18 8:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/12/2018 7:39 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/12/18 7:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/12/2018 7:15 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: ...Trump shoveling his usual bull**** and Nancy Pelosi calling him out and shutting him down. from the WashPost: Donald Trump, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer berated each other on camera Tuesday over Trump’s border wall, an Oval Office spectacle that underscored the distance between the two sides as they confront a fast-approaching deadline for a partial government shutdown. The stunning public spat, during which Schumer accused the president of throwing a “temper tantrum,” ended with Trump declaring he’d be proud to shut down the government to get the money he wants for his long-promised U.S.-Mexico border wall. If the president follows through on the threat, about 25 percent of the federal government would begin to run out of money on Dec. 21, putting hundreds of thousands of federal workers at risk of getting furloughed without pay just before Christmas. The two sides remain billions apart on border security — the president is demanding $5 billion for a wall, and Democrats will offer no more than $1.3 billion for fencing — and Tuesday’s talks brought them no closer to a resolution. The three leaders pointed fingers, raised their voices and interrupted one another repeatedly as they fought over policy and politics, laying bare their differences for all to see. Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the Oval Office. As the argument dragged on, Schumer lectured Trump that “Elections have consequences, Mr. President.” heh heh heh... Gee, Trump said about 100 times that "Mexico would pay for" his wall. Too funny. If I were Trump at that meeting I would have encouraged either of them (but especially Schumer)* that if they/he think they have a better solution they should run for POTUS in 2020 and wrestle with the problem. They won't of course.* It would expose them again as being the hypocrites that they are.* Their only objective is to oppose *anything* Trump wants to do and to hell with what is in the best interests of the country. No one wants Trump's wall, except for Trump. No one wants a government shutdown, except for Trump. And Mexico ain't paying for Trump's wall. The $5 billion Trump is currently requesting for a wall represents one tenth of 1 percent of the overall budget.* Big f'in deal.* The Dems aren't on record of opposing that expenditure to improve border security.* They voted *for* it before.* The issue isn't "want" or "money".* The issue is the opposition to anything Trump. Many politicians are dishonest, despicable, elitists who put their party and power before the best interests of the people they are supposed to be representing. All of this is nothing but political horse****. "I'm going to be the one to shut it down," Donald Trump on the prospect of shutting down the federal government. He *owns* it if it happens. Too funny. As for Trump's Folly, aka Trump's Wall, Trump promised at least 100 times that "Mexico" would pay for it. Why isn't that happening? Why is the "new" NAFTA deal at least 90% the same as the old NAFTA deal? Where is Trump's "wonderful" replacement for the Affordable Care Act? Oh, and North Korea is still developing WMD's, the Iranians ain't dummies, either, and of course the Russians are still running rampant wherever they want, and China and other countries will be ****ing us over royally in trade wars. But, of course, "everyone" wants to be Trump's new chief of staff. Well, everyone except someone of quality. Gosh...and Mueller is still cooking stew and hasn't opened the pot. |
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On 12/12/2018 7:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/12/18 7:48 AM, Tim wrote: “Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the Oval Office. ...” They’re evidently used to closed door and back room* deals and can’t handle the wide open spaces..* nothing wrong with having the discussion out in the open. It was wonderful to watch Donald Bluster make a fool out of himself, over and over. So, when is MEXICO going to pay for Trump's wall? In the grander scheme of things Mexico is already beginning to absorb at least some of the cost of a wall. They are accepting more and more illegals within their country who would otherwise be in the USA getting financial aid and benefits at taxpayer's expense. They are also hardening their own borders to reduce the number of people traveling across Mexico and sneaking into the USA. It's important to remember that something like 65 percent (or more) of these people don't qualify for asylum status but they must be cared for, fed and housed while that determination process is made. It's out of control and $5 billion is a very small price to pay to reduce those who illegally enter and then turn themselves in to be cared for only to be found to be not eligible for asylum status. Forget what Pelosi, Schumer and other lefty politicians say and listen to the border control agents who deal with this issue on a daily basis and *all* agree that walls work. By reducing that financial burden and on ICE operations, those who enter legally at points of entry (which our laws require) are better positioned to receive asylum status. |
Wonderful to watch...
On 12/12/2018 8:18 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/12/18 8:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/12/2018 7:39 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/12/18 7:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/12/2018 7:15 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: ...Trump shoveling his usual bull**** and Nancy Pelosi calling him out and shutting him down. from the WashPost: Donald Trump, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer berated each other on camera Tuesday over Trump’s border wall, an Oval Office spectacle that underscored the distance between the two sides as they confront a fast-approaching deadline for a partial government shutdown. The stunning public spat, during which Schumer accused the president of throwing a “temper tantrum,” ended with Trump declaring he’d be proud to shut down the government to get the money he wants for his long-promised U.S.-Mexico border wall. If the president follows through on the threat, about 25 percent of the federal government would begin to run out of money on Dec. 21, putting hundreds of thousands of federal workers at risk of getting furloughed without pay just before Christmas. The two sides remain billions apart on border security — the president is demanding $5 billion for a wall, and Democrats will offer no more than $1.3 billion for fencing — and Tuesday’s talks brought them no closer to a resolution. The three leaders pointed fingers, raised their voices and interrupted one another repeatedly as they fought over policy and politics, laying bare their differences for all to see. Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the Oval Office. As the argument dragged on, Schumer lectured Trump that “Elections have consequences, Mr. President.” heh heh heh... Gee, Trump said about 100 times that "Mexico would pay for" his wall. Too funny. If I were Trump at that meeting I would have encouraged either of them (but especially Schumer)* that if they/he think they have a better solution they should run for POTUS in 2020 and wrestle with the problem. They won't of course.* It would expose them again as being the hypocrites that they are.* Their only objective is to oppose *anything* Trump wants to do and to hell with what is in the best interests of the country. No one wants Trump's wall, except for Trump. No one wants a government shutdown, except for Trump. And Mexico ain't paying for Trump's wall. The $5 billion Trump is currently requesting for a wall represents one tenth of 1 percent of the overall budget.* Big f'in deal.* The Dems aren't on record of opposing that expenditure to improve border security.* They voted *for* it before.* The issue isn't "want" or "money".* The issue is the opposition to anything Trump. Many politicians are dishonest, despicable, elitists who put their party and power before the best interests of the people they are supposed to be representing. All of this is nothing but political horse****. "I'm going to be the one to shut it down," Donald Trump on the prospect of shutting down the federal government. He *owns* it if it happens. Too funny. As for Trump's Folly, aka Trump's Wall, Trump promised at least 100 times that "Mexico" would pay for it. Why isn't that happening? Why is the "new" NAFTA deal at least 90% the same as the old NAFTA deal? Where is Trump's "wonderful" replacement for the Affordable Care Act? Oh, and North Korea is still developing WMD's, the Iranians ain't dummies, either, and of course the Russians are still running rampant wherever they want, and China and other countries will be ****ing us over royally in trade wars. But, of course, "everyone" wants to be Trump's new chief of staff. Well, everyone except someone of quality. Gosh...and Mueller is still cooking stew and hasn't opened the pot. I don't expect you to understand. Just tighten up your blinders and carry on. |
Wonderful to watch...
On 12/12/18 8:24 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/12/2018 7:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/12/18 7:48 AM, Tim wrote: “Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the Oval Office. ...” They’re evidently used to closed door and back room* deals and can’t handle the wide open spaces..* nothing wrong with having the discussion out in the open. It was wonderful to watch Donald Bluster make a fool out of himself, over and over. So, when is MEXICO going to pay for Trump's wall? In the grander scheme of things Mexico is already beginning to absorb at least some of the cost of a wall.* They are accepting more and more illegals within their country who would otherwise be in the USA getting financial aid and benefits at taxpayer's expense.* They are also hardening their own borders to reduce the number of people traveling across Mexico and sneaking into the USA. It's important to remember that something like 65 percent (or more) of these people don't qualify for asylum status but they must be cared for, fed and housed while that determination process is made. It's out of control and $5 billion is a very small price to pay to reduce those who illegally enter and then turn themselves in to be cared for only to be found to be not eligible for asylum status. Forget what Pelosi, Schumer and other lefty politicians say and listen to the border control agents who deal with this issue on a daily basis and *all* agree that walls work. By reducing that financial burden and on ICE operations, those who enter legally at points of entry (which our laws require) are better positioned to receive asylum status. So, when is Mexico going to pay for Trump's Wall? |
Wonderful to watch...
On 12/12/18 8:26 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/12/2018 8:18 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/12/18 8:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/12/2018 7:39 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/12/18 7:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/12/2018 7:15 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: ...Trump shoveling his usual bull**** and Nancy Pelosi calling him out and shutting him down. from the WashPost: Donald Trump, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer berated each other on camera Tuesday over Trump’s border wall, an Oval Office spectacle that underscored the distance between the two sides as they confront a fast-approaching deadline for a partial government shutdown. The stunning public spat, during which Schumer accused the president of throwing a “temper tantrum,” ended with Trump declaring he’d be proud to shut down the government to get the money he wants for his long-promised U.S.-Mexico border wall. If the president follows through on the threat, about 25 percent of the federal government would begin to run out of money on Dec. 21, putting hundreds of thousands of federal workers at risk of getting furloughed without pay just before Christmas. The two sides remain billions apart on border security — the president is demanding $5 billion for a wall, and Democrats will offer no more than $1.3 billion for fencing — and Tuesday’s talks brought them no closer to a resolution. The three leaders pointed fingers, raised their voices and interrupted one another repeatedly as they fought over policy and politics, laying bare their differences for all to see. Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the Oval Office. As the argument dragged on, Schumer lectured Trump that “Elections have consequences, Mr. President.” heh heh heh... Gee, Trump said about 100 times that "Mexico would pay for" his wall. Too funny. If I were Trump at that meeting I would have encouraged either of them (but especially Schumer)* that if they/he think they have a better solution they should run for POTUS in 2020 and wrestle with the problem. They won't of course.* It would expose them again as being the hypocrites that they are.* Their only objective is to oppose *anything* Trump wants to do and to hell with what is in the best interests of the country. No one wants Trump's wall, except for Trump. No one wants a government shutdown, except for Trump. And Mexico ain't paying for Trump's wall. The $5 billion Trump is currently requesting for a wall represents one tenth of 1 percent of the overall budget.* Big f'in deal.* The Dems aren't on record of opposing that expenditure to improve border security.* They voted *for* it before.* The issue isn't "want" or "money".* The issue is the opposition to anything Trump. Many politicians are dishonest, despicable, elitists who put their party and power before the best interests of the people they are supposed to be representing. All of this is nothing but political horse****. "I'm going to be the one to shut it down," Donald Trump on the prospect of shutting down the federal government. He *owns* it if it happens. Too funny. As for Trump's Folly, aka Trump's Wall, Trump promised at least 100 times that "Mexico" would pay for it. Why isn't that happening? Why is the "new" NAFTA deal at least 90% the same as the old NAFTA deal? Where is Trump's "wonderful" replacement for the Affordable Care Act? Oh, and North Korea is still developing WMD's, the Iranians ain't dummies, either, and of course the Russians are still running rampant wherever they want, and China and other countries will be ****ing us over royally in trade wars. But, of course, "everyone" wants to be Trump's new chief of staff. Well, everyone except someone of quality. Gosh...and Mueller is still cooking stew and hasn't opened the pot. I don't expect you to understand.* Just tighten up your blinders and carry on. Understand what? That Trump is a crooked, master ****up? I got that. |
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On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 8:24:16 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/12/2018 7:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/12/18 7:48 AM, Tim wrote: “Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the Oval Office. ...” They’re evidently used to closed door and back room* deals and can’t handle the wide open spaces..* nothing wrong with having the discussion out in the open. It was wonderful to watch Donald Bluster make a fool out of himself, over and over. So, when is MEXICO going to pay for Trump's wall? In the grander scheme of things Mexico is already beginning to absorb at least some of the cost of a wall. They are accepting more and more illegals within their country who would otherwise be in the USA getting financial aid and benefits at taxpayer's expense. They are also hardening their own borders to reduce the number of people traveling across Mexico and sneaking into the USA. It's important to remember that something like 65 percent (or more) of these people don't qualify for asylum status but they must be cared for, fed and housed while that determination process is made. It's out of control and $5 billion is a very small price to pay to reduce those who illegally enter and then turn themselves in to be cared for only to be found to be not eligible for asylum status. Forget what Pelosi, Schumer and other lefty politicians say and listen to the border control agents who deal with this issue on a daily basis and *all* agree that walls work. Studies have shown that the wall would cost but a fraction of what illegal immigrants cost the US. |
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On 12/12/18 9:28 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says... On 12/12/18 8:26 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: I don't expect you to understand.* Just tighten up your blinders and carry on. Understand what? That Trump is a crooked, master ****up? I got that. Nancy warned him repeatedly to take it off camera. She didn't want the American people to see our President be a fool by her and Schumer. But the fool didn't take her advice. Trump thinks he is a dictator like the guys he likes and admires most... |
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On 12/12/2018 9:33 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/12/18 9:28 AM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 12/12/18 8:26 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: I don't expect you to understand.* Just tighten up your blinders and carry on. Understand what? That Trump is a crooked, master ****up? I got that. Nancy warned him repeatedly to take it off camera.* She didn't want the American people to see our President be a fool by her and Schumer.* But the fool didn't take her advice. Trump thinks he is a dictator like the guys he likes and admires most... He's much more open and transparent than the buffoons who nervously wanted to go "secret". |
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On 12/12/18 9:38 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/12/2018 9:33 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/12/18 9:28 AM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 12/12/18 8:26 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: I don't expect you to understand.* Just tighten up your blinders and carry on. Understand what? That Trump is a crooked, master ****up? I got that. Nancy warned him repeatedly to take it off camera.* She didn't want the American people to see our President be a fool by her and Schumer.* But the fool didn't take her advice. Trump thinks he is a dictator like the guys he likes and admires most... He's much more open and transparent than the buffoons who nervously wanted to go "secret". ha ha ha ha you are a funny guy. |
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On 12/12/18 9:58 AM, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 12/12/18 9:38 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/12/2018 9:33 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/12/18 9:28 AM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 12/12/18 8:26 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: I don't expect you to understand. Just tighten up your blinders and carry on. Understand what? That Trump is a crooked, master ****up? I got that. Nancy warned him repeatedly to take it off camera. She didn't want the American people to see our President be a fool by her and Schumer. But the fool didn't take her advice. Trump thinks he is a dictator like the guys he likes and admires most... He's much more open and transparent than the buffoons who nervously wanted to go "secret". ha ha ha ha you are a funny guy. What's so funny? Your buddy thinks Trump is open and transparent. That's hilarious. |
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8:49 AMKeyser Soze - hide quoted text - On 12/12/18 9:38 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/12/2018 9:33 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/12/18 9:28 AM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 12/12/18 8:26 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: I don't expect you to understand. Just tighten up your blinders and carry on. Understand what? That Trump is a crooked, master ****up? I got that. Nancy warned him repeatedly to take it off camera. She didn't want the American people to see our President be a fool by her and Schumer. But the fool didn't take her advice. Trump thinks he is a dictator like the guys he likes and admires most... He's much more open and transparent than the buffoons who nervously wanted to go "secret". ha ha ha ha you are a funny guy. .......... How’s that? |
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On 12/12/2018 9:49 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/12/18 9:38 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/12/2018 9:33 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/12/18 9:28 AM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 12/12/18 8:26 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: I don't expect you to understand.* Just tighten up your blinders and carry on. Understand what? That Trump is a crooked, master ****up? I got that. Nancy warned him repeatedly to take it off camera.* She didn't want the American people to see our President be a fool by her and Schumer.* But the fool didn't take her advice. Trump thinks he is a dictator like the guys he likes and admires most... He's much more open and transparent than the buffoons who nervously wanted to go "secret". ha ha ha ha** you are a funny guy. How do you explain two party hypocrites who previously voted *for* the wall, demanded a path to citizenship for 800,000 undocumented immigrants but turned down Trump's offer of extending it to almost 1,800,000 in exchange for some wall funding? It's not about a measly $5B for a wall that is 1/10th of 1% of the federal budget. It's *all* about resisting anything Trump, even if it's not in the best overall interests of the country. |
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On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 08:28:50 -0600, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says... On 12/12/18 8:26 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: I don't expect you to understand.* Just tighten up your blinders and carry on. Understand what? That Trump is a crooked, master ****up? I got that. Nancy warned him repeatedly to take it off camera. She didn't want the American people to see our President be a fool by her and Schumer. But the fool didn't take her advice. Warned, my ass. She didn't want the cameras to record the fact that they were not going to negotiate. |
Wonderful to watch...
On 12/12/2018 11:52 AM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 08:28:50 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 12/12/18 8:26 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: I don't expect you to understand.* Just tighten up your blinders and carry on. Understand what? That Trump is a crooked, master ****up? I got that. Nancy warned him repeatedly to take it off camera. She didn't want the American people to see our President be a fool by her and Schumer. But the fool didn't take her advice. Warned, my ass. She didn't want the cameras to record the fact that they were not going to negotiate. I have to admit. I was laughing my ass off as Pelosi and Schumer squirmed around in their seats, looking at the press and cameras. Trump didn't give a ****. Let the public know what's going on for a change. |
Wonderful to watch...
On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:39:39 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 12/12/18 7:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/12/2018 7:15 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: ...Trump shoveling his usual bull**** and Nancy Pelosi calling him out and shutting him down. from the WashPost: Donald Trump, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer berated each other on camera Tuesday over Trump’s border wall, an Oval Office spectacle that underscored the distance between the two sides as they confront a fast-approaching deadline for a partial government shutdown. The stunning public spat, during which Schumer accused the president of throwing a “temper tantrum,” ended with Trump declaring he’d be proud to shut down the government to get the money he wants for his long-promised U.S.-Mexico border wall. If the president follows through on the threat, about 25 percent of the federal government would begin to run out of money on Dec. 21, putting hundreds of thousands of federal workers at risk of getting furloughed without pay just before Christmas. The two sides remain billions apart on border security — the president is demanding $5 billion for a wall, and Democrats will offer no more than $1.3 billion for fencing — and Tuesday’s talks brought them no closer to a resolution. The three leaders pointed fingers, raised their voices and interrupted one another repeatedly as they fought over policy and politics, laying bare their differences for all to see. Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the Oval Office. As the argument dragged on, Schumer lectured Trump that “Elections have consequences, Mr. President.” heh heh heh... Gee, Trump said about 100 times that "Mexico would pay for" his wall. Too funny. If I were Trump at that meeting I would have encouraged either of them (but especially Schumer)* that if they/he think they have a better solution they should run for POTUS in 2020 and wrestle with the problem. They won't of course.* It would expose them again as being the hypocrites that they are.* Their only objective is to oppose *anything* Trump wants to do and to hell with what is in the best interests of the country. No one wants Trump's wall, except for Trump. No one wants a government shutdown, except for Trump. And Mexico ain't paying for Trump's wall. I think the "wall" is stupid too but there are real things we could do to strengthen our borders. |
Wonderful to watch...
On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 08:28:50 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote: In article , says... On 12/12/18 8:26 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: I don't expect you to understand.* Just tighten up your blinders and carry on. Understand what? That Trump is a crooked, master ****up? I got that. Nancy warned him repeatedly to take it off camera. She didn't want the American people to see our President be a fool by her and Schumer. But the fool didn't take her advice. I really don't care either way I think they are all assholes but in reading, the 49% Trump people think he won and the 49% democrat people think they won. I agree with the 2% who think it was the American people as a whole who lost tho. |
Wonderful to watch...
On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 09:33:40 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 12/12/18 9:28 AM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 12/12/18 8:26 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: I don't expect you to understand.* Just tighten up your blinders and carry on. Understand what? That Trump is a crooked, master ****up? I got that. Nancy warned him repeatedly to take it off camera. She didn't want the American people to see our President be a fool by her and Schumer. But the fool didn't take her advice. Trump thinks he is a dictator like the guys he likes and admires most... .... and Schumer thinks he is Shecky Green, what's your point? |
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On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 11:55:13 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 12/12/2018 11:52 AM, John H. wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 08:28:50 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 12/12/18 8:26 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: I don't expect you to understand.* Just tighten up your blinders and carry on. Understand what? That Trump is a crooked, master ****up? I got that. Nancy warned him repeatedly to take it off camera. She didn't want the American people to see our President be a fool by her and Schumer. But the fool didn't take her advice. Warned, my ass. She didn't want the cameras to record the fact that they were not going to negotiate. I have to admit. I was laughing my ass off as Pelosi and Schumer squirmed around in their seats, looking at the press and cameras. Trump didn't give a ****. Let the public know what's going on for a change. Loved it. No one on CNN mentioned that the first insult was thrown by Schumer, a liberal. |
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On 12/12/18 2:25 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says... On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 08:28:50 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 12/12/18 8:26 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: I don't expect you to understand.* Just tighten up your blinders and carry on. Understand what? That Trump is a crooked, master ****up? I got that. Nancy warned him repeatedly to take it off camera. She didn't want the American people to see our President be a fool by her and Schumer. But the fool didn't take her advice. I really don't care either way I think they are all assholes but in reading, the 49% Trump people think he won and the 49% democrat people think they won. I agree with the 2% who think it was the American people as a whole who lost tho. Why, because they watched TV? BTW, Trump has about 40% support, if that. And some are so-called "Democrats." All of them are deplorable. It's nice to see Trump draining the swamp by working with and hiring people who confess to or are convicted of crimes and are sent to jail. |
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On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:27:17 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:16:27 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:39:39 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/12/18 7:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/12/2018 7:15 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: ...Trump shoveling his usual bull**** and Nancy Pelosi calling him out and shutting him down. from the WashPost: Donald Trump, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer berated each other on camera Tuesday over Trump’s border wall, an Oval Office spectacle that underscored the distance between the two sides as they confront a fast-approaching deadline for a partial government shutdown. The stunning public spat, during which Schumer accused the president of throwing a “temper tantrum,” ended with Trump declaring he’d be proud to shut down the government to get the money he wants for his long-promised U.S.-Mexico border wall. If the president follows through on the threat, about 25 percent of the federal government would begin to run out of money on Dec. 21, putting hundreds of thousands of federal workers at risk of getting furloughed without pay just before Christmas. The two sides remain billions apart on border security — the president is demanding $5 billion for a wall, and Democrats will offer no more than $1.3 billion for fencing — and Tuesday’s talks brought them no closer to a resolution. The three leaders pointed fingers, raised their voices and interrupted one another repeatedly as they fought over policy and politics, laying bare their differences for all to see. Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the Oval Office. As the argument dragged on, Schumer lectured Trump that “Elections have consequences, Mr. President.” heh heh heh... Gee, Trump said about 100 times that "Mexico would pay for" his wall. Too funny. If I were Trump at that meeting I would have encouraged either of them (but especially Schumer)* that if they/he think they have a better solution they should run for POTUS in 2020 and wrestle with the problem. They won't of course.* It would expose them again as being the hypocrites that they are.* Their only objective is to oppose *anything* Trump wants to do and to hell with what is in the best interests of the country. No one wants Trump's wall, except for Trump. No one wants a government shutdown, except for Trump. And Mexico ain't paying for Trump's wall. I think the "wall" is stupid too but there are real things we could do to strengthen our borders. I don't think the wall's stupid. If nothing else, it slows 'em down a bit. I don't really believe that. lowing is not stopping and if you are not stopping them you are just wasting time and money. I really think it would be better to make it easier to get in legally if you are actually looking for work and bring the hammer down on people who come in illegally. The immigrants who are taking jobs from Americans come in on H1B visas because they will work an IT job for half of what we need to pay an American. There is not a lot of danger of Americans who want to pick tomatoes in Immokalee being put out of work when someone comes here from Mexico to do it. |
Wonderful to watch...
On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:25:10 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 08:28:50 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 12/12/18 8:26 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: I don't expect you to understand.* Just tighten up your blinders and carry on. Understand what? That Trump is a crooked, master ****up? I got that. Nancy warned him repeatedly to take it off camera. She didn't want the American people to see our President be a fool by her and Schumer. But the fool didn't take her advice. I really don't care either way I think they are all assholes but in reading, the 49% Trump people think he won and the 49% democrat people think they won. I agree with the 2% who think it was the American people as a whole who lost tho. Why, because they watched TV? BTW, Trump has about 40% support, if that. And some are so-called "Democrats." All of them are deplorable. It was calling half of the country deplorable that lost the last 2 elections for you. |
Wonderful to watch...
On 12/12/2018 5:48 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:27:17 -0500, John H. wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:16:27 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:39:39 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/12/18 7:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/12/2018 7:15 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: ...Trump shoveling his usual bull**** and Nancy Pelosi calling him out and shutting him down. from the WashPost: Donald Trump, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer berated each other on camera Tuesday over Trump’s border wall, an Oval Office spectacle that underscored the distance between the two sides as they confront a fast-approaching deadline for a partial government shutdown. The stunning public spat, during which Schumer accused the president of throwing a “temper tantrum,” ended with Trump declaring he’d be proud to shut down the government to get the money he wants for his long-promised U.S.-Mexico border wall. If the president follows through on the threat, about 25 percent of the federal government would begin to run out of money on Dec. 21, putting hundreds of thousands of federal workers at risk of getting furloughed without pay just before Christmas. The two sides remain billions apart on border security — the president is demanding $5 billion for a wall, and Democrats will offer no more than $1.3 billion for fencing — and Tuesday’s talks brought them no closer to a resolution. The three leaders pointed fingers, raised their voices and interrupted one another repeatedly as they fought over policy and politics, laying bare their differences for all to see. Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the Oval Office. As the argument dragged on, Schumer lectured Trump that “Elections have consequences, Mr. President.” heh heh heh... Gee, Trump said about 100 times that "Mexico would pay for" his wall. Too funny. If I were Trump at that meeting I would have encouraged either of them (but especially Schumer)* that if they/he think they have a better solution they should run for POTUS in 2020 and wrestle with the problem. They won't of course.* It would expose them again as being the hypocrites that they are.* Their only objective is to oppose *anything* Trump wants to do and to hell with what is in the best interests of the country. No one wants Trump's wall, except for Trump. No one wants a government shutdown, except for Trump. And Mexico ain't paying for Trump's wall. I think the "wall" is stupid too but there are real things we could do to strengthen our borders. I don't think the wall's stupid. If nothing else, it slows 'em down a bit. I don't really believe that. lowing is not stopping and if you are not stopping them you are just wasting time and money. I really think it would be better to make it easier to get in legally if you are actually looking for work and bring the hammer down on people who come in illegally. The immigrants who are taking jobs from Americans come in on H1B visas because they will work an IT job for half of what we need to pay an American. There is not a lot of danger of Americans who want to pick tomatoes in Immokalee being put out of work when someone comes here from Mexico to do it. Neither you nor I or Pelosi, Schumer or Trump are qualified to know what works and what doesn't work. The people on site who are actually patrolling the border know better than any of us and they unanimously say a wall is effective and needed. I'd defer to their experiences. |
Wonderful to watch...
On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 17:48:35 -0500, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:27:17 -0500, John H. wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:16:27 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:39:39 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/12/18 7:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/12/2018 7:15 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: ...Trump shoveling his usual bull**** and Nancy Pelosi calling him out and shutting him down. from the WashPost: Donald Trump, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer berated each other on camera Tuesday over Trumps border wall, an Oval Office spectacle that underscored the distance between the two sides as they confront a fast-approaching deadline for a partial government shutdown. The stunning public spat, during which Schumer accused the president of throwing a temper tantrum, ended with Trump declaring hed be proud to shut down the government to get the money he wants for his long-promised U.S.-Mexico border wall. If the president follows through on the threat, about 25 percent of the federal government would begin to run out of money on Dec. 21, putting hundreds of thousands of federal workers at risk of getting furloughed without pay just before Christmas. The two sides remain billions apart on border security the president is demanding $5 billion for a wall, and Democrats will offer no more than $1.3 billion for fencing and Tuesdays talks brought them no closer to a resolution. The three leaders pointed fingers, raised their voices and interrupted one another repeatedly as they fought over policy and politics, laying bare their differences for all to see. Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the Oval Office. As the argument dragged on, Schumer lectured Trump that Elections have consequences, Mr. President. heh heh heh... Gee, Trump said about 100 times that "Mexico would pay for" his wall. Too funny. If I were Trump at that meeting I would have encouraged either of them (but especially Schumer)* that if they/he think they have a better solution they should run for POTUS in 2020 and wrestle with the problem. They won't of course.* It would expose them again as being the hypocrites that they are.* Their only objective is to oppose *anything* Trump wants to do and to hell with what is in the best interests of the country. No one wants Trump's wall, except for Trump. No one wants a government shutdown, except for Trump. And Mexico ain't paying for Trump's wall. I think the "wall" is stupid too but there are real things we could do to strengthen our borders. I don't think the wall's stupid. If nothing else, it slows 'em down a bit. I don't really believe that. lowing is not stopping and if you are not stopping them you are just wasting time and money. I really think it would be better to make it easier to get in legally if you are actually looking for work and bring the hammer down on people who come in illegally. The immigrants who are taking jobs from Americans come in on H1B visas because they will work an IT job for half of what we need to pay an American. There is not a lot of danger of Americans who want to pick tomatoes in Immokalee being put out of work when someone comes here from Mexico to do it. Slowing the illegals down long enough for the border patrol to catch and 'bring the hammer down' on them. |
Wonderful to watch...
In article ,
says... On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:25:10 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 08:28:50 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 12/12/18 8:26 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: I don't expect you to understand.* Just tighten up your blinders and carry on. Understand what? That Trump is a crooked, master ****up? I got that. Nancy warned him repeatedly to take it off camera. She didn't want the American people to see our President be a fool by her and Schumer. But the fool didn't take her advice. I really don't care either way I think they are all assholes but in reading, the 49% Trump people think he won and the 49% democrat people think they won. I agree with the 2% who think it was the American people as a whole who lost tho. Why, because they watched TV? BTW, Trump has about 40% support, if that. And some are so-called "Democrats." All of them are deplorable. It was calling half of the country deplorable that lost the last 2 elections for you. What do you call people who voted for a criminal as POTUS? They knew who he was. Deplorable is being polite. **** 'em. Calling them what they are is the first step in curing them. |
Wonderful to watch...
On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:24:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 12/12/2018 5:48 PM, wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:27:17 -0500, John H. wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:16:27 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:39:39 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/12/18 7:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/12/2018 7:15 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: ...Trump shoveling his usual bull**** and Nancy Pelosi calling him out and shutting him down. from the WashPost: Donald Trump, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer berated each other on camera Tuesday over Trump’s border wall, an Oval Office spectacle that underscored the distance between the two sides as they confront a fast-approaching deadline for a partial government shutdown. The stunning public spat, during which Schumer accused the president of throwing a “temper tantrum,” ended with Trump declaring he’d be proud to shut down the government to get the money he wants for his long-promised U.S.-Mexico border wall. If the president follows through on the threat, about 25 percent of the federal government would begin to run out of money on Dec. 21, putting hundreds of thousands of federal workers at risk of getting furloughed without pay just before Christmas. The two sides remain billions apart on border security — the president is demanding $5 billion for a wall, and Democrats will offer no more than $1.3 billion for fencing — and Tuesday’s talks brought them no closer to a resolution. The three leaders pointed fingers, raised their voices and interrupted one another repeatedly as they fought over policy and politics, laying bare their differences for all to see. Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the Oval Office. As the argument dragged on, Schumer lectured Trump that “Elections have consequences, Mr. President.” heh heh heh... Gee, Trump said about 100 times that "Mexico would pay for" his wall. Too funny. If I were Trump at that meeting I would have encouraged either of them (but especially Schumer)* that if they/he think they have a better solution they should run for POTUS in 2020 and wrestle with the problem. They won't of course.* It would expose them again as being the hypocrites that they are.* Their only objective is to oppose *anything* Trump wants to do and to hell with what is in the best interests of the country. No one wants Trump's wall, except for Trump. No one wants a government shutdown, except for Trump. And Mexico ain't paying for Trump's wall. I think the "wall" is stupid too but there are real things we could do to strengthen our borders. I don't think the wall's stupid. If nothing else, it slows 'em down a bit. I don't really believe that. lowing is not stopping and if you are not stopping them you are just wasting time and money. I really think it would be better to make it easier to get in legally if you are actually looking for work and bring the hammer down on people who come in illegally. The immigrants who are taking jobs from Americans come in on H1B visas because they will work an IT job for half of what we need to pay an American. There is not a lot of danger of Americans who want to pick tomatoes in Immokalee being put out of work when someone comes here from Mexico to do it. Neither you nor I or Pelosi, Schumer or Trump are qualified to know what works and what doesn't work. The people on site who are actually patrolling the border know better than any of us and they unanimously say a wall is effective and needed. I'd defer to their experiences. To accomplish the mission of guarding a wall out in the wilds of Arizona they are probably right but most illegals in this country entered legally and over stayed their visa. |
Wonderful to watch...
On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:13:35 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:25:10 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 08:28:50 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On 12/12/18 8:26 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: I don't expect you to understand.* Just tighten up your blinders and carry on. Understand what? That Trump is a crooked, master ****up? I got that. Nancy warned him repeatedly to take it off camera. She didn't want the American people to see our President be a fool by her and Schumer. But the fool didn't take her advice. I really don't care either way I think they are all assholes but in reading, the 49% Trump people think he won and the 49% democrat people think they won. I agree with the 2% who think it was the American people as a whole who lost tho. Why, because they watched TV? BTW, Trump has about 40% support, if that. And some are so-called "Democrats." All of them are deplorable. It was calling half of the country deplorable that lost the last 2 elections for you. What do you call people who voted for a criminal as POTUS? They knew who he was. Deplorable is being polite. **** 'em. Calling them what they are is the first step in curing them. In 1964 we called them democrats. Donald trump has a long way to go before he tells a lie as devastating than the Gulf of Tonkin fairy tale. |
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On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 7:38:05 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:24:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/12/2018 5:48 PM, wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:27:17 -0500, John H. wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:16:27 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:39:39 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/12/18 7:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/12/2018 7:15 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: ...Trump shoveling his usual bull**** and Nancy Pelosi calling him out and shutting him down. from the WashPost: Donald Trump, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer berated each other on camera Tuesday over Trump’s border wall, an Oval Office spectacle that underscored the distance between the two sides as they confront a fast-approaching deadline for a partial government shutdown. The stunning public spat, during which Schumer accused the president of throwing a “temper tantrum,” ended with Trump declaring he’d be proud to shut down the government to get the money he wants for his long-promised U.S.-Mexico border wall. If the president follows through on the threat, about 25 percent of the federal government would begin to run out of money on Dec. 21, putting hundreds of thousands of federal workers at risk of getting furloughed without pay just before Christmas. The two sides remain billions apart on border security — the president is demanding $5 billion for a wall, and Democrats will offer no more than $1.3 billion for fencing — and Tuesday’s talks brought them no closer to a resolution. The three leaders pointed fingers, raised their voices and interrupted one another repeatedly as they fought over policy and politics, laying bare their differences for all to see. Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the Oval Office. As the argument dragged on, Schumer lectured Trump that “Elections have consequences, Mr. President.” heh heh heh... Gee, Trump said about 100 times that "Mexico would pay for" his wall. Too funny. If I were Trump at that meeting I would have encouraged either of them (but especially Schumer)* that if they/he think they have a better solution they should run for POTUS in 2020 and wrestle with the problem. They won't of course.* It would expose them again as being the hypocrites that they are.* Their only objective is to oppose *anything* Trump wants to do and to hell with what is in the best interests of the country. No one wants Trump's wall, except for Trump. No one wants a government shutdown, except for Trump. And Mexico ain't paying for Trump's wall. I think the "wall" is stupid too but there are real things we could do to strengthen our borders. I don't think the wall's stupid. If nothing else, it slows 'em down a bit. I don't really believe that. lowing is not stopping and if you are not stopping them you are just wasting time and money. I really think it would be better to make it easier to get in legally if you are actually looking for work and bring the hammer down on people who come in illegally. The immigrants who are taking jobs from Americans come in on H1B visas because they will work an IT job for half of what we need to pay an American. There is not a lot of danger of Americans who want to pick tomatoes in Immokalee being put out of work when someone comes here from Mexico to do it. Neither you nor I or Pelosi, Schumer or Trump are qualified to know what works and what doesn't work. The people on site who are actually patrolling the border know better than any of us and they unanimously say a wall is effective and needed. I'd defer to their experiences. To accomplish the mission of guarding a wall out in the wilds of Arizona they are probably right but most illegals in this country entered legally and over stayed their visa. I'm not sure you have the data to make that statement. I sure haven't seen any data that backs that up. |
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On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:59:30 -0800 (PST), Its Me
wrote: On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 7:38:05 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:24:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/12/2018 5:48 PM, wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:27:17 -0500, John H. wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:16:27 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:39:39 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/12/18 7:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/12/2018 7:15 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: ...Trump shoveling his usual bull**** and Nancy Pelosi calling him out and shutting him down. from the WashPost: Donald Trump, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer berated each other on camera Tuesday over Trump’s border wall, an Oval Office spectacle that underscored the distance between the two sides as they confront a fast-approaching deadline for a partial government shutdown. The stunning public spat, during which Schumer accused the president of throwing a “temper tantrum,” ended with Trump declaring he’d be proud to shut down the government to get the money he wants for his long-promised U.S.-Mexico border wall. If the president follows through on the threat, about 25 percent of the federal government would begin to run out of money on Dec. 21, putting hundreds of thousands of federal workers at risk of getting furloughed without pay just before Christmas. The two sides remain billions apart on border security — the president is demanding $5 billion for a wall, and Democrats will offer no more than $1.3 billion for fencing — and Tuesday’s talks brought them no closer to a resolution. The three leaders pointed fingers, raised their voices and interrupted one another repeatedly as they fought over policy and politics, laying bare their differences for all to see. Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the Oval Office. As the argument dragged on, Schumer lectured Trump that “Elections have consequences, Mr. President.” heh heh heh... Gee, Trump said about 100 times that "Mexico would pay for" his wall. Too funny. If I were Trump at that meeting I would have encouraged either of them (but especially Schumer)* that if they/he think they have a better solution they should run for POTUS in 2020 and wrestle with the problem. They won't of course.* It would expose them again as being the hypocrites that they are.* Their only objective is to oppose *anything* Trump wants to do and to hell with what is in the best interests of the country. No one wants Trump's wall, except for Trump. No one wants a government shutdown, except for Trump. And Mexico ain't paying for Trump's wall. I think the "wall" is stupid too but there are real things we could do to strengthen our borders. I don't think the wall's stupid. If nothing else, it slows 'em down a bit. I don't really believe that. lowing is not stopping and if you are not stopping them you are just wasting time and money. I really think it would be better to make it easier to get in legally if you are actually looking for work and bring the hammer down on people who come in illegally. The immigrants who are taking jobs from Americans come in on H1B visas because they will work an IT job for half of what we need to pay an American. There is not a lot of danger of Americans who want to pick tomatoes in Immokalee being put out of work when someone comes here from Mexico to do it. Neither you nor I or Pelosi, Schumer or Trump are qualified to know what works and what doesn't work. The people on site who are actually patrolling the border know better than any of us and they unanimously say a wall is effective and needed. I'd defer to their experiences. To accomplish the mission of guarding a wall out in the wilds of Arizona they are probably right but most illegals in this country entered legally and over stayed their visa. I'm not sure you have the data to make that statement. I sure haven't seen any data that backs that up. About half. https://cis.org/Arthur/Half-Illegal-...-Are-Overstays |
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On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 10:35:08 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:59:30 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote: On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 7:38:05 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:24:53 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/12/2018 5:48 PM, wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 13:27:17 -0500, John H. wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:16:27 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:39:39 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/12/18 7:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/12/2018 7:15 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: ...Trump shoveling his usual bull**** and Nancy Pelosi calling him out and shutting him down. from the WashPost: Donald Trump, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer berated each other on camera Tuesday over Trump’s border wall, an Oval Office spectacle that underscored the distance between the two sides as they confront a fast-approaching deadline for a partial government shutdown. The stunning public spat, during which Schumer accused the president of throwing a “temper tantrum,” ended with Trump declaring he’d be proud to shut down the government to get the money he wants for his long-promised U.S.-Mexico border wall. If the president follows through on the threat, about 25 percent of the federal government would begin to run out of money on Dec. 21, putting hundreds of thousands of federal workers at risk of getting furloughed without pay just before Christmas. The two sides remain billions apart on border security — the president is demanding $5 billion for a wall, and Democrats will offer no more than $1.3 billion for fencing — and Tuesday’s talks brought them no closer to a resolution. The three leaders pointed fingers, raised their voices and interrupted one another repeatedly as they fought over policy and politics, laying bare their differences for all to see. Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the Oval Office. As the argument dragged on, Schumer lectured Trump that “Elections have consequences, Mr. President.” heh heh heh... Gee, Trump said about 100 times that "Mexico would pay for" his wall. Too funny. If I were Trump at that meeting I would have encouraged either of them (but especially Schumer)* that if they/he think they have a better solution they should run for POTUS in 2020 and wrestle with the problem. They won't of course.* It would expose them again as being the hypocrites that they are.* Their only objective is to oppose *anything* Trump wants to do and to hell with what is in the best interests of the country. No one wants Trump's wall, except for Trump. No one wants a government shutdown, except for Trump. And Mexico ain't paying for Trump's wall. I think the "wall" is stupid too but there are real things we could do to strengthen our borders. I don't think the wall's stupid. If nothing else, it slows 'em down a bit. I don't really believe that. lowing is not stopping and if you are not stopping them you are just wasting time and money. I really think it would be better to make it easier to get in legally if you are actually looking for work and bring the hammer down on people who come in illegally. The immigrants who are taking jobs from Americans come in on H1B visas because they will work an IT job for half of what we need to pay an American. There is not a lot of danger of Americans who want to pick tomatoes in Immokalee being put out of work when someone comes here from Mexico to do it. Neither you nor I or Pelosi, Schumer or Trump are qualified to know what works and what doesn't work. The people on site who are actually patrolling the border know better than any of us and they unanimously say a wall is effective and needed. I'd defer to their experiences. To accomplish the mission of guarding a wall out in the wilds of Arizona they are probably right but most illegals in this country entered legally and over stayed their visa. I'm not sure you have the data to make that statement. I sure haven't seen any data that backs that up. About half. https://cis.org/Arthur/Half-Illegal-...-Are-Overstays Yeah, they say "roughly" half, and then go one to say that any accounting is suspect because it's a population that does not want to be counted. No hard numbers there, or anywhere. |
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On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 6:53:38 AM UTC-6, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/12/18 7:48 AM, Tim wrote: “Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer (D-N.Y.) had not expected the session to be televised and repeatedly asked Trump to take the discussions off-camera. But the president allowed the acrimonious encounter to continue for nearly 20 minutes before kicking the media out of the Oval Office. ...” They’re evidently used to closed door and back room deals and can’t handle the wide open spaces.. nothing wrong with having the discussion out in the open. It was wonderful to watch Donald Bluster make a fool out of himself, over and over. So, when is MEXICO going to pay for Trump's wall? Made a fool out of who? https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...nt-workers-are Here, Harry. Yu don't mind somee cut n paste. Here,let me do some foer you.... "Pelosi complained that their conversation had "spiraled downward," and she said the emphasis should be on "how do we meet the needs of American people, who have needs. The economy has -- people are losing their jobs. The market's in a mood," she said. Trump interrupted her: "Well, we have the lowest unemployment that we've had in 50 years," he said. "Sixty people of the Republican Party have lost -- are losing their offices now because of the transition," Pelosi replied. "And we gained in the Senate," Trump interrupted. "Nancy, we've gained in the Senate. Excuse me, did we win the Senate? We won the Senate," Trump said.. That was Schumer's cue: "When the president brags that he won North Dakota and Indiana, he's in real trouble," Schumer said. "I did," Trump told Schumer. "We did. We did win North Dakota and Indiana." U.S. Senate seats in both of those states flipped from Democrat to Republican in the midterms, giving Republicans a two-seat pickup and Democrats a two-seat loss. Pelosi at that point objected to holding their conversation "in the public view." She called it "the most unfortunate thing." "But it's not bad, Nancy. It's called transparency," Trump told her..." BTW, Chuck should have noticed that Trump won way more than Indiana and North Dakota. He won the presidency... |
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