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Yo Tim - or any knowledgeable individual
So here's the deal. Yesterday when I went to start the truck, the batteries were dead. The charger
said they were at 49% charged. They did take a charge and started the truck easily several times since. However, they are four year-old WalMart batteries, so I'm thinking I should replace them. You've praised AGM batteries in the past. Sears has these: https://www.sears.com/diehard-advanc...bloc kType=G2 The guy will sell them to me for $176.99 plus $40 installation (which I could do myself if I didn't want to help Trump's employment numbers). And, being ex-military, he'll give me another 10% off. So I could get them for about $160 each. Thoughts? I could get the non-AGM's for about $40 less each. Are AGM's worth the extra bucks? |
Yo Tim - or any knowledgeable individual
John H. wrote:
So here's the deal. Yesterday when I went to start the truck, the batteries were dead. The charger said they were at 49% charged. They did take a charge and started the truck easily several times since. However, they are four year-old WalMart batteries, so I'm thinking I should replace them. You've praised AGM batteries in the past. Sears has these: https://www.sears.com/diehard-advanc...bloc kType=G2 The guy will sell them to me for $176.99 plus $40 installation (which I could do myself if I didn't want to help Trump's employment numbers). And, being ex-military, he'll give me another 10% off. So I could get them for about $160 each. Thoughts? I could get the non-AGM's for about $40 less each. Are AGM's worth the extra bucks? Take the truck to the battery place that checks batteries. I had one take down the good battery. Unfortunately I had Walmart replace the battery while in Twin Falls, ID. Get home few days later and truck has low battery. They replaced the good battery, not the 2011 batt. As to the AGM, I think in our trucks, not worth it. Does the truck alternator charge them properly? |
Yo Tim - or any knowledgeable individual
On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 21:29:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:
John H. wrote: So here's the deal. Yesterday when I went to start the truck, the batteries were dead. The charger said they were at 49% charged. They did take a charge and started the truck easily several times since. However, they are four year-old WalMart batteries, so I'm thinking I should replace them. You've praised AGM batteries in the past. Sears has these: https://www.sears.com/diehard-advanc...bloc kType=G2 The guy will sell them to me for $176.99 plus $40 installation (which I could do myself if I didn't want to help Trump's employment numbers). And, being ex-military, he'll give me another 10% off. So I could get them for about $160 each. Thoughts? I could get the non-AGM's for about $40 less each. Are AGM's worth the extra bucks? Take the truck to the battery place that checks batteries. I had one take down the good battery. Unfortunately I had Walmart replace the battery while in Twin Falls, ID. Get home few days later and truck has low battery. They replaced the good battery, not the 2011 batt. As to the AGM, I think in our trucks, not worth it. Does the truck alternator charge them properly? Charging system seems to be working OK. Auto Zone, across the street will test the batteries, but they have to be taken out of the vehicle. The front one's easy, the one next to the firewall is a bitch. Hell, they're four years old. The difference in price would be around $110 for the pair of AGM's. That's not that bad. Have to admit that the reviews I've read for AGM's sing their praises. |
Yo Tim - or any knowledgeable individual
On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 3:36:32 PM UTC-6, John H wrote:
On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 21:29:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: So here's the deal. Yesterday when I went to start the truck, the batteries were dead. The charger said they were at 49% charged. They did take a charge and started the truck easily several times since. However, they are four year-old WalMart batteries, so I'm thinking I should replace them. You've praised AGM batteries in the past. Sears has these: https://www.sears.com/diehard-advanc...bloc kType=G2 The guy will sell them to me for $176.99 plus $40 installation (which I could do myself if I didn't want to help Trump's employment numbers). And, being ex-military, he'll give me another 10% off. So I could get them for about $160 each. Thoughts? I could get the non-AGM's for about $40 less each. Are AGM's worth the extra bucks? Take the truck to the battery place that checks batteries. I had one take down the good battery. Unfortunately I had Walmart replace the battery while in Twin Falls, ID. Get home few days later and truck has low battery. They replaced the good battery, not the 2011 batt. As to the AGM, I think in our trucks, not worth it. Does the truck alternator charge them properly? Charging system seems to be working OK. Auto Zone, across the street will test the batteries, but they have to be taken out of the vehicle. The front one's easy, the one next to the firewall is a bitch. Hell, they're four years old. The difference in price would be around $110 for the pair of AGM's. That's not that bad. Have to admit that the reviews I've read for AGM's sing their praises. To me, AGM is the only way to go. I've bought leadd acid batteries for years, then got turned on to the AGM. They seem to be hotter and ore durable. I have a friend with an AGM in his old tractor. The machine is hardly used. He got tired of lead batteries going 'stale' so he switched to AGM. it's been in there 7 years and still starts on demand like new. The ones I use are set with four posts. They advertise these as automotive/marine. They work good trolling or in every day driving and need no maintenance or a special charger. And if you happen to have a low battery, these recharge at a very quick rate. The back battery in your truck is a gripe to change. For the service you're getting that's not a bad price at all I'd go for it. |
Yo Tim - or any knowledgeable individual
On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 14:09:39 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 3:36:32 PM UTC-6, John H wrote: On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 21:29:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: So here's the deal. Yesterday when I went to start the truck, the batteries were dead. The charger said they were at 49% charged. They did take a charge and started the truck easily several times since. However, they are four year-old WalMart batteries, so I'm thinking I should replace them. You've praised AGM batteries in the past. Sears has these: https://www.sears.com/diehard-advanc...bloc kType=G2 The guy will sell them to me for $176.99 plus $40 installation (which I could do myself if I didn't want to help Trump's employment numbers). And, being ex-military, he'll give me another 10% off. So I could get them for about $160 each. Thoughts? I could get the non-AGM's for about $40 less each. Are AGM's worth the extra bucks? Take the truck to the battery place that checks batteries. I had one take down the good battery. Unfortunately I had Walmart replace the battery while in Twin Falls, ID. Get home few days later and truck has low battery. They replaced the good battery, not the 2011 batt. As to the AGM, I think in our trucks, not worth it. Does the truck alternator charge them properly? Charging system seems to be working OK. Auto Zone, across the street will test the batteries, but they have to be taken out of the vehicle. The front one's easy, the one next to the firewall is a bitch. Hell, they're four years old. The difference in price would be around $110 for the pair of AGM's. That's not that bad. Have to admit that the reviews I've read for AGM's sing their praises. To me, AGM is the only way to go. I've bought leadd acid batteries for years, then got turned on to the AGM. They seem to be hotter and ore durable. I have a friend with an AGM in his old tractor. The machine is hardly used. He got tired of lead batteries going 'stale' so he switched to AGM. it's been in there 7 years and still starts on demand like new. The ones I use are set with four posts. They advertise these as automotive/marine. They work good trolling or in every day driving and need no maintenance or a special charger. And if you happen to have a low battery, these recharge at a very quick rate. The back battery in your truck is a gripe to change. For the service you're getting that's not a bad price at all I'd go for it. The deal has been made. Thanks. |
Yo Tim - or any knowledgeable individual
On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 4:39:30 PM UTC-6, John H wrote:
On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 14:09:39 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 3:36:32 PM UTC-6, John H wrote: On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 21:29:06 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: So here's the deal. Yesterday when I went to start the truck, the batteries were dead. The charger said they were at 49% charged. They did take a charge and started the truck easily several times since. However, they are four year-old WalMart batteries, so I'm thinking I should replace them. You've praised AGM batteries in the past. Sears has these: https://www.sears.com/diehard-advanc...bloc kType=G2 The guy will sell them to me for $176.99 plus $40 installation (which I could do myself if I didn't want to help Trump's employment numbers). And, being ex-military, he'll give me another 10% off. So I could get them for about $160 each. Thoughts? I could get the non-AGM's for about $40 less each. Are AGM's worth the extra bucks? Take the truck to the battery place that checks batteries. I had one take down the good battery. Unfortunately I had Walmart replace the battery while in Twin Falls, ID. Get home few days later and truck has low battery. They replaced the good battery, not the 2011 batt. As to the AGM, I think in our trucks, not worth it. Does the truck alternator charge them properly? Charging system seems to be working OK. Auto Zone, across the street will test the batteries, but they have to be taken out of the vehicle. The front one's easy, the one next to the firewall is a bitch. Hell, they're four years old. The difference in price would be around $110 for the pair of AGM's. That's not that bad. Have to admit that the reviews I've read for AGM's sing their praises. To me, AGM is the only way to go. I've bought leadd acid batteries for years, then got turned on to the AGM. They seem to be hotter and ore durable.. I have a friend with an AGM in his old tractor. The machine is hardly used. He got tired of lead batteries going 'stale' so he switched to AGM. it's been in there 7 years and still starts on demand like new. The ones I use are set with four posts. They advertise these as automotive/marine. They work good trolling or in every day driving and need no maintenance or a special charger. And if you happen to have a low battery, these recharge at a very quick rate. The back battery in your truck is a gripe to change. For the service you're getting that's not a bad price at all I'd go for it. The deal has been made. Thanks. I'm sure you'll be pleased with their performance, John... |
Yo Tim - or any knowledgeable individual
On 11/14/2018 6:23 PM, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
John H. Wrote in message: So here's the deal. Yesterday when I went to start the truck, the batteries were dead. The chargersaid they were at 49% charged. They did take a charge and started the truck easily several timessince. However, they are four year-old WalMart batteries, so I'm thinking I should replace them. You'vepraised AGM batteries in the past. Sears has these:https://www.sears.com/diehard-advanc...c kType=G2The guy will sell them to me for $176.99 plus $40 installation (which I could do myself if I didn'twant to help Trump's employment numbers). And, being ex-military, he'll give me another 10% off. SoI could get them for about $160 each.Thoughts? I could get the non-AGM's for about $40 less each. Are AGM's worth the extra bucks? The batteries may have discharged due to an accessory or courtesy light left on. A load test will tell you if your batteries are still good. 4 years is a pretty good life span so I wouldn't object to you changing them out if you want to. The longest I've kept a boat starting battery in service is 9 years. That's exceptional. Although not a "deep cycle" marine type battery, the OEM battery in my Ford F-250 lasted 8 years. I attribute it's long life to being part of the "tow package" that included a heavier duty battery and alternator to run the plow hydraulic pump. When it went, it died a sudden death though. |
Yo Tim - or any knowledgeable individual
On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 15:39:16 -0500, John H.
wrote: So here's the deal. Yesterday when I went to start the truck, the batteries were dead. The charger said they were at 49% charged. They did take a charge and started the truck easily several times since. However, they are four year-old WalMart batteries, so I'm thinking I should replace them. You've praised AGM batteries in the past. Sears has these: https://www.sears.com/diehard-advanc...bloc kType=G2 The guy will sell them to me for $176.99 plus $40 installation (which I could do myself if I didn't want to help Trump's employment numbers). And, being ex-military, he'll give me another 10% off. So I could get them for about $160 each. Thoughts? I could get the non-AGM's for about $40 less each. Are AGM's worth the extra bucks? I usually just get the regular 2 year Walmart battery. Some will go 6 or 7 years. Others crap out before the 2 years is up. That is better because they just give you a new one. This is the one I use in everything (it even fits the Honda) It is bigger than the one that came with any of them but it fits in the box. (Group 24F) https://tinyurl.com/y9zfs5tj |
Yo Tim - or any knowledgeable individual
On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 15:39:16 -0500, John H.
wrote: So here's the deal. Yesterday when I went to start the truck, the batteries were dead. The charger said they were at 49% charged. They did take a charge and started the truck easily several times since. However, they are four year-old WalMart batteries, so I'm thinking I should replace them. You've praised AGM batteries in the past. Sears has these: https://www.sears.com/diehard-advanc...bloc kType=G2 The guy will sell them to me for $176.99 plus $40 installation (which I could do myself if I didn't want to help Trump's employment numbers). And, being ex-military, he'll give me another 10% off. So I could get them for about $160 each. Thoughts? I could get the non-AGM's for about $40 less each. Are AGM's worth the extra bucks? === For what it's worth, I've replaced all of the lead-acid 8D starting batteries on our boat with pairs of AGM group 31M batts in parallel. The 31Ms are half the weight and much easier to handle. They also have more cold cranking amps and a higher charge acceptance rate. Last but not least they are lasting twice as long as the 8Ds. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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wrote:
On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 15:39:16 -0500, John H. wrote: So here's the deal. Yesterday when I went to start the truck, the batteries were dead. The charger said they were at 49% charged. They did take a charge and started the truck easily several times since. However, they are four year-old WalMart batteries, so I'm thinking I should replace them. You've praised AGM batteries in the past. Sears has these: https://www.sears.com/diehard-advanc...bloc kType=G2 The guy will sell them to me for $176.99 plus $40 installation (which I could do myself if I didn't want to help Trump's employment numbers). And, being ex-military, he'll give me another 10% off. So I could get them for about $160 each. Thoughts? I could get the non-AGM's for about $40 less each. Are AGM's worth the extra bucks? === For what it's worth, I've replaced all of the lead-acid 8D starting batteries on our boat with pairs of AGM group 31M batts in parallel. The 31Ms are half the weight and much easier to handle. They also have more cold cranking amps and a higher charge acceptance rate. Last but not least they are lasting twice as long as the 8Ds. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com Costco has AGMs and I think installation is free. |
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 18:41:29 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/14/2018 6:23 PM, Justan Ohlphart wrote: John H. Wrote in message: So here's the deal. Yesterday when I went to start the truck, the batteries were dead. The chargersaid they were at 49% charged. They did take a charge and started the truck easily several timessince. However, they are four year-old WalMart batteries, so I'm thinking I should replace them. You'vepraised AGM batteries in the past. Sears has these:https://www.sears.com/diehard-advanc...c kType=G2The guy will sell them to me for $176.99 plus $40 installation (which I could do myself if I didn'twant to help Trump's employment numbers). And, being ex-military, he'll give me another 10% off. SoI could get them for about $160 each.Thoughts? I could get the non-AGM's for about $40 less each. Are AGM's worth the extra bucks? The batteries may have discharged due to an accessory or courtesy light left on. A load test will tell you if your batteries are still good. 4 years is a pretty good life span so I wouldn't object to you changing them out if you want to. The longest I've kept a boat starting battery in service is 9 years. That's exceptional. Although not a "deep cycle" marine type battery, the OEM battery in my Ford F-250 lasted 8 years. I attribute it's long life to being part of the "tow package" that included a heavier duty battery and alternator to run the plow hydraulic pump. When it went, it died a sudden death though. I'm wondering if keeping the battery in the trailer charged and running the trailer lights, etc., may have shortened the life of the batteries. I suppose I could use the charger and get some more time out of them, but I wouldn't want a repeat of the 'dead truck' when out on a camping trip somewhere. Besides, I'll be paying about $3500 less taxes this year, so I can afford to splurge. Thanks, President Trump! |
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 05:11:46 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:
wrote: On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 15:39:16 -0500, John H. wrote: So here's the deal. Yesterday when I went to start the truck, the batteries were dead. The charger said they were at 49% charged. They did take a charge and started the truck easily several times since. However, they are four year-old WalMart batteries, so I'm thinking I should replace them. You've praised AGM batteries in the past. Sears has these: https://www.sears.com/diehard-advanc...bloc kType=G2 The guy will sell them to me for $176.99 plus $40 installation (which I could do myself if I didn't want to help Trump's employment numbers). And, being ex-military, he'll give me another 10% off. So I could get them for about $160 each. Thoughts? I could get the non-AGM's for about $40 less each. Are AGM's worth the extra bucks? === For what it's worth, I've replaced all of the lead-acid 8D starting batteries on our boat with pairs of AGM group 31M batts in parallel. The 31Ms are half the weight and much easier to handle. They also have more cold cranking amps and a higher charge acceptance rate. Last but not least they are lasting twice as long as the 8Ds. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com Costco has AGMs and I think installation is free. I looked here, but couldn't find any on the web. Maybe it's just my local store. |
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On 11/15/18 12:11 AM, Bill wrote:
wrote: On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 15:39:16 -0500, John H. wrote: So here's the deal. Yesterday when I went to start the truck, the batteries were dead. The charger said they were at 49% charged. They did take a charge and started the truck easily several times since. However, they are four year-old WalMart batteries, so I'm thinking I should replace them. You've praised AGM batteries in the past. Sears has these: https://www.sears.com/diehard-advanc...bloc kType=G2 The guy will sell them to me for $176.99 plus $40 installation (which I could do myself if I didn't want to help Trump's employment numbers). And, being ex-military, he'll give me another 10% off. So I could get them for about $160 each. Thoughts? I could get the non-AGM's for about $40 less each. Are AGM's worth the extra bucks? === For what it's worth, I've replaced all of the lead-acid 8D starting batteries on our boat with pairs of AGM group 31M batts in parallel. The 31Ms are half the weight and much easier to handle. They also have more cold cranking amps and a higher charge acceptance rate. Last but not least they are lasting twice as long as the 8Ds. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com Costco has AGMs and I think installation is free. One of my near neighbors with a pick-me-up truck similar to mine went with an Odyssey AGM, group or size 34 something. He said it had more cold cranking amps than the others he considered. I happened to see him installing it last year, and just for fun I hefted it up off his garage floor. Sucker must weigh 50 pounds. |
Yo Tim - or any knowledgeable individual
On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:33:14 -0500 (EST), Justan Ohlphart
wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 11/15/18 12:11 AM, Bill wrote: wrote: On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 15:39:16 -0500, John H. wrote: So here's the deal. Yesterday when I went to start the truck, the batteries were dead. The charger said they were at 49% charged. They did take a charge and started the truck easily several times since. However, they are four year-old WalMart batteries, so I'm thinking I should replace them. You've praised AGM batteries in the past. Sears has these: https://www.sears.com/diehard-advanced-gold-agm-battery-group-size-48/p-02850748000P?sellerId=SEARS&prdNo=2&blockNo=2&bloc kType=G2 The guy will sell them to me for $176.99 plus $40 installation (which I could do myself if I didn't want to help Trump's employment numbers). And, being ex-military, he'll give me another 10% off. So I could get them for about $160 each. Thoughts? I could get the non-AGM's for about $40 less each. Are AGM's worth the extra bucks? === For what it's worth, I've replaced all of the lead-acid 8D starting batteries on our boat with pairs of AGM group 31M batts in parallel. The 31Ms are half the weight and much easier to handle. They also have more cold cranking amps and a higher charge acceptance rate. Last but not least they are lasting twice as long as the 8Ds. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com Costco has AGMs and I think installation is free. One of my near neighbors with a pick-me-up truck similar to mine went with an Odyssey AGM, group or size 34 something. He said it had more cold cranking amps than the others he considered. I happened to see him installing it last year, and just for fun I hefted it up off his garage floor. Sucker must weigh 50 pounds. Surprise. Batteries are pretty heavy. I hope you didn't hurt yourself. === A 50 pound battery is a lightweight by my standards. My old 8D boat batteries were about 170 pounds each and had to be hoisted over large engines. The new group 31 AGMs are about 70 lbs and considerably easier to manage. |
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:34:40 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 11/15/18 11:25 AM, wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 10:33:14 -0500 (EST), Justan Ohlphart wrote: Keyser Soze Wrote in message: On 11/15/18 12:11 AM, Bill wrote: wrote: On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 15:39:16 -0500, John H. wrote: So here's the deal. Yesterday when I went to start the truck, the batteries were dead. The charger said they were at 49% charged. They did take a charge and started the truck easily several times since. However, they are four year-old WalMart batteries, so I'm thinking I should replace them. You've praised AGM batteries in the past. Sears has these: https://www.sears.com/diehard-advanced-gold-agm-battery-group-size-48/p-02850748000P?sellerId=SEARS&prdNo=2&blockNo=2&bloc kType=G2 The guy will sell them to me for $176.99 plus $40 installation (which I could do myself if I didn't want to help Trump's employment numbers). And, being ex-military, he'll give me another 10% off. So I could get them for about $160 each. Thoughts? I could get the non-AGM's for about $40 less each. Are AGM's worth the extra bucks? === For what it's worth, I've replaced all of the lead-acid 8D starting batteries on our boat with pairs of AGM group 31M batts in parallel. The 31Ms are half the weight and much easier to handle. They also have more cold cranking amps and a higher charge acceptance rate. Last but not least they are lasting twice as long as the 8Ds. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com Costco has AGMs and I think installation is free. One of my near neighbors with a pick-me-up truck similar to mine went with an Odyssey AGM, group or size 34 something. He said it had more cold cranking amps than the others he considered. I happened to see him installing it last year, and just for fun I hefted it up off his garage floor. Sucker must weigh 50 pounds. Surprise. Batteries are pretty heavy. I hope you didn't hurt yourself. === A 50 pound battery is a lightweight by my standards. My old 8D boat batteries were about 170 pounds each and had to be hoisted over large engines. The new group 31 AGMs are about 70 lbs and considerably easier to manage. Well, my recollection was that the Group 34 AGM seemed to weigh about 50% more than the last "old style" Group 34 battery I replaced in an SUV. Sounds like you got ripped off. |
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:34:40 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: Well, my recollection was that the Group 34 AGM seemed to weigh about 50% more than the last "old style" Group 34 battery I replaced in an SUV. Ahem. A "S" doesn't sound like a vowel. :-) |
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:00:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:34:40 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: Well, my recollection was that the Group 34 AGM seemed to weigh about 50% more than the last "old style" Group 34 battery I replaced in an SUV. Ahem. A "S" doesn't sound like a vowel. :-) Ahem. Always use 'an' for words which sound like they start with a vowel, and always use 'a' for words which sound like they start with a consonant. |
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On 11/15/2018 2:50 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:00:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:34:40 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: Well, my recollection was that the Group 34 AGM seemed to weigh about 50% more than the last "old style" Group 34 battery I replaced in an SUV. Ahem. A "S" doesn't sound like a vowel. :-) Ahem. Always use 'an' for words which sound like they start with a vowel, and always use 'a' for words which sound like they start with a consonant. I had to look it up. I always knew about an "a" before a consonant (did that right!) and an "an" before before a vowel. (did that right too!) But I never knew about the official rules about "sounding" like a vowel or a consonant. Musta skipped class that day. |
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/15/2018 2:50 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:00:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:34:40 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: Well, my recollection was that the Group 34 AGM seemed to weigh about 50% more than the last "old style" Group 34 battery I replaced in an SUV. Ahem. A "S" doesn't sound like a vowel. :-) Ahem. Always use 'an' for words which sound like they start with a vowel, and always use 'a' for words which sound like they start with a consonant. I had to look it up. I always knew about an "a" before a consonant (did that right!) and an "an" before before a vowel. (did that right too!) But I never knew about the official rules about "sounding" like a vowel or a consonant. Musta skipped class that day. So you could buy -a- SUV, eh? I bought -an- SUV. -- Posted with my iPhone 8+. |
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 15:56:34 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/15/2018 2:50 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:00:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:34:40 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: Well, my recollection was that the Group 34 AGM seemed to weigh about 50% more than the last "old style" Group 34 battery I replaced in an SUV. Ahem. A "S" doesn't sound like a vowel. :-) Ahem. Always use 'an' for words which sound like they start with a vowel, and always use 'a' for words which sound like they start with a consonant. I had to look it up. I always knew about an "a" before a consonant (did that right!) and an "an" before before a vowel. (did that right too!) But I never knew about the official rules about "sounding" like a vowel or a consonant. Musta skipped class that day. Stick to pickups. Much easier. |
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On 11/15/2018 4:06 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2018 2:50 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:00:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:34:40 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: Well, my recollection was that the Group 34 AGM seemed to weigh about 50% more than the last "old style" Group 34 battery I replaced in an SUV. Ahem. A "S" doesn't sound like a vowel. :-) Ahem. Always use 'an' for words which sound like they start with a vowel, and always use 'a' for words which sound like they start with a consonant. I had to look it up. I always knew about an "a" before a consonant (did that right!) and an "an" before before a vowel. (did that right too!) But I never knew about the official rules about "sounding" like a vowel or a consonant. Musta skipped class that day. So you could buy -a- SUV, eh? I bought -an- SUV. How does a "S" sound like a,e,i,o or u (and sometimes "y")? |
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/15/2018 4:06 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2018 2:50 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:00:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:34:40 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: Well, my recollection was that the Group 34 AGM seemed to weigh about 50% more than the last "old style" Group 34 battery I replaced in an SUV. Ahem. A "S" doesn't sound like a vowel. :-) Ahem. Always use 'an' for words which sound like they start with a vowel, and always use 'a' for words which sound like they start with a consonant. I had to look it up. I always knew about an "a" before a consonant (did that right!) and an "an" before before a vowel. (did that right too!) But I never knew about the official rules about "sounding" like a vowel or a consonant. Musta skipped class that day. So you could buy -a- SUV, eh? I bought -an- SUV. How does a "S" sound like a,e,i,o or u (and sometimes "y")? The word usually is pronounced as an initialism. “I’m buying an ess-you-vee.” Not “I am buying a ess-you-vee.” -- Posted with my iPhone 8+. |
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:55:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/15/2018 4:06 PM, Keyser Sze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2018 2:50 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:00:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:34:40 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: Well, my recollection was that the Group 34 AGM seemed to weigh about 50% more than the last "old style" Group 34 battery I replaced in an SUV. Ahem. A "S" doesn't sound like a vowel. :-) Ahem. Always use 'an' for words which sound like they start with a vowel, and always use 'a' for words which sound like they start with a consonant. I had to look it up. I always knew about an "a" before a consonant (did that right!) and an "an" before before a vowel. (did that right too!) But I never knew about the official rules about "sounding" like a vowel or a consonant. Musta skipped class that day. So you could buy -a- SUV, eh? I bought -an- SUV. How does a "S" sound like a,e,i,o or u (and sometimes "y")? 'Cause it's spelled 'ess'. Easy. |
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On 11/15/2018 6:04 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2018 4:06 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2018 2:50 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:00:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:34:40 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: Well, my recollection was that the Group 34 AGM seemed to weigh about 50% more than the last "old style" Group 34 battery I replaced in an SUV. Ahem. A "S" doesn't sound like a vowel. :-) Ahem. Always use 'an' for words which sound like they start with a vowel, and always use 'a' for words which sound like they start with a consonant. I had to look it up. I always knew about an "a" before a consonant (did that right!) and an "an" before before a vowel. (did that right too!) But I never knew about the official rules about "sounding" like a vowel or a consonant. Musta skipped class that day. So you could buy -a- SUV, eh? I bought -an- SUV. How does a "S" sound like a,e,i,o or u (and sometimes "y")? The word usually is pronounced as an initialism. “I’m buying an ess-you-vee.” Not “I am buying a ess-you-vee.” Ok. Learned something. To be honest, I'd say "an SUV" normally anyway. It just sounds right but I didn't know the technical reasons why. |
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On 11/15/2018 6:05 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:55:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/15/2018 4:06 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2018 2:50 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:00:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:34:40 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: Well, my recollection was that the Group 34 AGM seemed to weigh about 50% more than the last "old style" Group 34 battery I replaced in an SUV. Ahem. A "S" doesn't sound like a vowel. :-) Ahem. Always use 'an' for words which sound like they start with a vowel, and always use 'a' for words which sound like they start with a consonant. I had to look it up. I always knew about an "a" before a consonant (did that right!) and an "an" before before a vowel. (did that right too!) But I never knew about the official rules about "sounding" like a vowel or a consonant. Musta skipped class that day. So you could buy -a- SUV, eh? I bought -an- SUV. How does a "S" sound like a,e,i,o or u (and sometimes "y")? 'Cause it's spelled 'ess'. Easy. I never knew how to spell "S" :-) |
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On 11/15/18 5:55 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/15/2018 4:06 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2018 2:50 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:00:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:34:40 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: Well, my recollection was that the Group 34 AGM seemed to weigh about 50% more than the last "old style" Group 34 battery I replaced in an SUV. Ahem.* A "S" doesn't sound like a vowel. :-) Ahem. Always use 'an' for words which sound like they start with a vowel, and always use 'a' for words which sound like they start with a consonant. I had to look it up.* I always knew about an "a" before a consonant (did that right!)* and an "an" before before a vowel. (did that right too!) But I never knew about the official rules about "sounding" like a vowel or a consonant. Musta skipped class that day. So you could buy -a- SUV, eh? I bought -an- SUV. How does a "S" sound like a,e,i,o or u (and sometimes "y")? You'd properly write and say "an SUV" because SUV is pronounced as an initialism, and it is the *sound* that counts most, in this case, not the letter. As the first letter is pronounced ess, and it begins with a vowel sound, we say/write "an," not "a" You probably can google this. |
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On 11/15/2018 6:55 PM, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: On 11/15/2018 4:06 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2018 2:50 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:00:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:34:40 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: Well, my recollection was that the Group 34 AGM seemed to weigh about 50% more than the last "old style" Group 34 battery I replaced in an SUV. Ahem. A "S" doesn't sound like a vowel. :-) Ahem. Always use 'an' for words which sound like they start with a vowel, and always use 'a' for words which sound like they start with a consonant. I had to look it up. I always knew about an "a" before a consonant (did that right!) and an "an" before before a vowel. (did that right too!) But I never knew about the official rules about "sounding" like a vowel or a consonant. Musta skipped class that day. So you could buy -a- SUV, eh? I bought -an- SUV. How does a "S" sound like a,e,i,o or u (and sometimes "y")? Essss. Geeze. And Harry calls you a dummy. You're smarter than me ! |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2018 4:06 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2018 2:50 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:00:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:34:40 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: Well, my recollection was that the Group 34 AGM seemed to weigh about 50% more than the last "old style" Group 34 battery I replaced in an SUV. Ahem. A "S" doesn't sound like a vowel. :-) Ahem. Always use 'an' for words which sound like they start with a vowel, and always use 'a' for words which sound like they start with a consonant. I had to look it up. I always knew about an "a" before a consonant (did that right!) and an "an" before before a vowel. (did that right too!) But I never knew about the official rules about "sounding" like a vowel or a consonant. Musta skipped class that day. So you could buy -a- SUV, eh? I bought -an- SUV. How does a "S" sound like a,e,i,o or u (and sometimes "y")? The word usually is pronounced as an initialism. “I’m buying an ess-you-vee.” Not “I am buying a ess-you-vee.” A sport utility vehicle. Not an sport utility vehicle. |
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 16:06:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2018 2:50 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:00:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:34:40 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: Well, my recollection was that the Group 34 AGM seemed to weigh about 50% more than the last "old style" Group 34 battery I replaced in an SUV. Ahem. A "S" doesn't sound like a vowel. :-) Ahem. Always use 'an' for words which sound like they start with a vowel, and always use 'a' for words which sound like they start with a consonant. I had to look it up. I always knew about an "a" before a consonant (did that right!) and an "an" before before a vowel. (did that right too!) But I never knew about the official rules about "sounding" like a vowel or a consonant. Musta skipped class that day. So you could buy -a- SUV, eh? I bought -an- SUV. It took me an half a hour to figure out what you were arguing about ;-) |
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:55:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 11/15/2018 4:06 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2018 2:50 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:00:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:34:40 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: Well, my recollection was that the Group 34 AGM seemed to weigh about 50% more than the last "old style" Group 34 battery I replaced in an SUV. Ahem. A "S" doesn't sound like a vowel. :-) Ahem. Always use 'an' for words which sound like they start with a vowel, and always use 'a' for words which sound like they start with a consonant. I had to look it up. I always knew about an "a" before a consonant (did that right!) and an "an" before before a vowel. (did that right too!) But I never knew about the official rules about "sounding" like a vowel or a consonant. Musta skipped class that day. So you could buy -a- SUV, eh? I bought -an- SUV. How does a "S" sound like a,e,i,o or u (and sometimes "y")? Singularly it is spelled "Ess". |
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 18:19:47 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 11/15/2018 6:05 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:55:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/15/2018 4:06 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2018 2:50 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:00:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:34:40 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: Well, my recollection was that the Group 34 AGM seemed to weigh about 50% more than the last "old style" Group 34 battery I replaced in an SUV. Ahem. A "S" doesn't sound like a vowel. :-) Ahem. Always use 'an' for words which sound like they start with a vowel, and always use 'a' for words which sound like they start with a consonant. I had to look it up. I always knew about an "a" before a consonant (did that right!) and an "an" before before a vowel. (did that right too!) But I never knew about the official rules about "sounding" like a vowel or a consonant. Musta skipped class that day. So you could buy -a- SUV, eh? I bought -an- SUV. How does a "S" sound like a,e,i,o or u (and sometimes "y")? 'Cause it's spelled 'ess'. Easy. I never knew how to spell "S" :-) You sound like Harry Truman. |
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On 11/15/2018 8:17 PM, Alex wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2018 4:06 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2018 2:50 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:00:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:34:40 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: Well, my recollection was that the Group 34 AGM seemed to weigh about 50% more than the last "old style" Group 34 battery I replaced in an SUV. Ahem.* A "S" doesn't sound like a vowel. :-) Ahem. Always use 'an' for words which sound like they start with a vowel, and always use 'a' for words which sound like they start with a consonant. I had to look it up.* I always knew about an "a" before a consonant (did that right!)* and an "an" before before a vowel. (did that right too!) But I never knew about the official rules about "sounding" like a vowel or a consonant. Musta skipped class that day. So you could buy -a- SUV, eh? I bought -an- SUV. How does a "S" sound like a,e,i,o or u (and sometimes "y")? The word usually is pronounced as an initialism. “I’m buying an ess-you-vee.” Not “I am buying a ess-you-vee.” A sport utility vehicle.* Not an sport utility vehicle. Good point! And to think I just learned that "S" is spelled, "ess". :-) |
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 20:23:52 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 11/15/2018 8:17 PM, Alex wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2018 4:06 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2018 2:50 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:00:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:34:40 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: Well, my recollection was that the Group 34 AGM seemed to weigh about 50% more than the last "old style" Group 34 battery I replaced in an SUV. Ahem.* A "S" doesn't sound like a vowel. :-) Ahem. Always use 'an' for words which sound like they start with a vowel, and always use 'a' for words which sound like they start with a consonant. I had to look it up.* I always knew about an "a" before a consonant (did that right!)* and an "an" before before a vowel. (did that right too!) But I never knew about the official rules about "sounding" like a vowel or a consonant. Musta skipped class that day. So you could buy -a- SUV, eh? I bought -an- SUV. How does a "S" sound like a,e,i,o or u (and sometimes "y")? The word usually is pronounced as an initialism. “I’m buying an ess-you-vee.” Not “I am buying a ess-you-vee.” A sport utility vehicle.* Not an sport utility vehicle. Good point! And to think I just learned that "S" is spelled, "ess". :-) Never played much Scrabble huh? (or crossword puzzles) |
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 20:17:21 -0500, Alex wrote:
Keyser Sze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2018 4:06 PM, Keyser Sze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2018 2:50 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:00:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:34:40 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: Well, my recollection was that the Group 34 AGM seemed to weigh about 50% more than the last "old style" Group 34 battery I replaced in an SUV. Ahem. A "S" doesn't sound like a vowel. :-) Ahem. Always use 'an' for words which sound like they start with a vowel, and always use 'a' for words which sound like they start with a consonant. I had to look it up. I always knew about an "a" before a consonant (did that right!) and an "an" before before a vowel. (did that right too!) But I never knew about the official rules about "sounding" like a vowel or a consonant. Musta skipped class that day. So you could buy -a- SUV, eh? I bought -an- SUV. How does a "S" sound like a,e,i,o or u (and sometimes "y")? The word usually is pronounced as an initialism. Im buying an ess-you-vee. Not I am buying a ess-you-vee. A sport utility vehicle. Not an sport utility vehicle. === However, an SUV (ess-you-vee) in a sentence reads differently than a "sport utility vehicle" even though they represent the same thing. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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wrote:
On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 16:06:16 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2018 2:50 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:00:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:34:40 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: Well, my recollection was that the Group 34 AGM seemed to weigh about 50% more than the last "old style" Group 34 battery I replaced in an SUV. Ahem. A "S" doesn't sound like a vowel. :-) Ahem. Always use 'an' for words which sound like they start with a vowel, and always use 'a' for words which sound like they start with a consonant. I had to look it up. I always knew about an "a" before a consonant (did that right!) and an "an" before before a vowel. (did that right too!) But I never knew about the official rules about "sounding" like a vowel or a consonant. Musta skipped class that day. So you could buy -a- SUV, eh? I bought -an- SUV. It took me an half a hour to figure out what you were arguing about ;-) Why do they call them a Sport Utility Vehicle? Most are just station wagons. |
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 05:05:41 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 16:06:16 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2018 2:50 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:00:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:34:40 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: Well, my recollection was that the Group 34 AGM seemed to weigh about 50% more than the last "old style" Group 34 battery I replaced in an SUV. Ahem. A "S" doesn't sound like a vowel. :-) Ahem. Always use 'an' for words which sound like they start with a vowel, and always use 'a' for words which sound like they start with a consonant. I had to look it up. I always knew about an "a" before a consonant (did that right!) and an "an" before before a vowel. (did that right too!) But I never knew about the official rules about "sounding" like a vowel or a consonant. Musta skipped class that day. So you could buy -a- SUV, eh? I bought -an- SUV. It took me an half a hour to figure out what you were arguing about ;-) Why do they call them a Sport Utility Vehicle? Most are just station wagons. They are taller than a sedan so they needed a different name I suppose. The station wagon was the Dodge Magnum. Actually I was ahead of the trend with my 72 Jeep Commando. It was one of the first SUVs. (Basically a SUV style body on a Jeep CJ 6 chassis). It shared the same problem the CJs had. It was easy to roll. I rolled mine. https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/commando1-1513888628.jpg?crop=1.00xw:0.752xh;0,0.113xh&resiz e=2400:* Mine was tweety bird yellow with chrome Castler side pipes under the door (I ripped out the stock exhaust off roading). |
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 20:17:21 -0500, Alex wrote:
Keyser Sze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2018 4:06 PM, Keyser Sze wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2018 2:50 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:00:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 12:34:40 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: Well, my recollection was that the Group 34 AGM seemed to weigh about 50% more than the last "old style" Group 34 battery I replaced in an SUV. Ahem. A "S" doesn't sound like a vowel. :-) Ahem. Always use 'an' for words which sound like they start with a vowel, and always use 'a' for words which sound like they start with a consonant. I had to look it up. I always knew about an "a" before a consonant (did that right!) and an "an" before before a vowel. (did that right too!) But I never knew about the official rules about "sounding" like a vowel or a consonant. Musta skipped class that day. So you could buy -a- SUV, eh? I bought -an- SUV. How does a "S" sound like a,e,i,o or u (and sometimes "y")? The word usually is pronounced as an initialism. Im buying an ess-you-vee. Not I am buying a ess-you-vee. A sport utility vehicle. Not an sport utility vehicle. Cheating. |
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