On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 22:31:13 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:52:22 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 14:06:56 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 13:42:11 -0400, John H.
wrote:

A friend told me about this stuff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uaIVIUVOyM

Will try it.

I am not sure how that will work out with the water in the hole. It
will just float on top where the concrete sinks and displaces the
water. It does look like an interesting idea in a dry hole tho. It
also gives you an idea of the required compressive strength necessary
to hold a pole,. If styrofoam will do it, I can't imagine any concrete
mix that wouldn't even if it started with the consistency of tomato
soup.
I am also not sure why a can of spray foam would not do the same
thing.

Water has to come out. It's still flowing into the hole at the rate of about a gallon an hour. I'm
just going to let it sit for a few days and hope the water table goes down. Hell, we're on a hill!

The question would be - how many cans of spray foam? This stuff will more than fill the hole for
$9, and I have a few seconds to shift the post if it's not plumb.

There is a bunch of foam in a yellow and red can. The blue can stuff
is limited "foaming". I bet one can would do it. I still say, just
dump the concrete in there, the water will come right out. That pole
in the center had 4' of water in it.

We'll see what the hole looks like in four days. I may yet go with the sacrete. This new stuff looks
like it could be explosive if things aren't done to the second!

On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 22:35:47 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:54:57 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:19:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/17/2018 1:42 PM, John H. wrote:
A friend told me about this stuff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uaIVIUVOyM

Will try it.



I remember my dad using stuff like that back when I was just a kid.
Didn't come in a bag though. He had to glass vials with the
components in it. He used it to put flotation foam on each end
of a canoe and also between the rafters on the underside of a raft
we had in a small lake.

Only thing I noticed in the video is that there cannot be any standing
water in the hole. I seem to remember you commenting that there was
water or the water table was very high or something.


Yeah, like I told Greg - I'm going to let things dry up a bit. Project is now postponed until next
week. We're going on a camping trip tomorrow.
You can always just tamp gravel down in that hole. If you use
irregular crushed stuff and not river rock, Tamp it in is short lifts
and wash some sand in there after it is packed, I am not sure how you
would get the post out. It certainly isn't going anywhere.

Next week.

On 10/17/2018 10:58 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 21:50:30 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/17/2018 9:30 PM, True North wrote:
Mr. Luddite

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On 10/17/2018 7:20 PM, Bill wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:54:57 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:19:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/17/2018 1:42 PM, John H. wrote:
A friend told me about this stuff:

Â*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uaIVIUVOyM

Will try it.



I remember my dad using stuff like that back when I was just a kid.
Didn't come in a bag though. Â*He had to glass vials with the
components in it. Â*He used it to put flotation foam on each end
of a canoe and also between the rafters on the underside of a raft
we had in a small lake.

Only thing I noticed in the video is that there cannot be any standing
water in the hole. Â*I seem to remember you commenting that there was
water or the water table was very high or something.


Yeah, like I told Greg - I'm going to let things dry up a bit. Project
is now postponed until next
week. We're going on a camping trip tomorrow.

===

John, I believe you're over thinking this thing. Â*I'd do it pretty
much the way Greg has suggested: Â*Mix up some concrete the usual way
with some sand and gravel; Insert post in ground; Pour concrete around
it. Â*The concrete, being heavier than water, will sink to the bottom
and push the water up until it overflows. Â*Check post for vertical,
open a beer, and come back in a couple of hours. Â*After all it's just
a mailbox, not a structural support for a high rise building. Â*:-)


I would just use gravel. Â*Maybe quarter dust. Â*The small stuff that makes
great pathways. Â*A heck of a lot easier to replace the post when a snowplow
or idiot driver takes it out.



"We call that "stone dust" around here. Â*You're right. Â*It's available in
various colors and looks nice as walkways."


Same as crusher dust?
There's also pea gravel used on walkways. Believe it's a quarter of an inch in diameter.



I never heard of crusher dust but it's probably the same thing as what
we call "stone dust". Over time it packs down hard and becomes almost
as hard as asphalt. Horses used to walk on it and barely made an
imprint of their shoes.


Around here the go too rock is 57 stone. That is what they use any
time they are not using concrete or asphalt. If they roll it, you end
up with a very hard surface.
http://www.gravelshop.com/shop-bilde...-485_large.jpg
It also does a great job on posts and such if you tamp it in every few
inches of lift. You just have to be sure you are keeping the post
plumb because you are not moving it later.



Much bigger and shaped than stone dust. The old farm house we owned
that my mother lived in did not have a paved driveway. It was gravel
and was likely the same age as the house which was built in 1800.

I didn't want to pave it but to clean it up a bit I used grey/blue
colored "pea stone" (about a 1/4 inch diameter on average) and, after
spreading it with the tractor I put a layer of stone dust on top of it.
In time with driving on it and with rain the stone dust filled in all
the spaces that existed in the loose pea stone and the surface became
very hard, not unlike asphalt but a much better "look" with the old house.

I remember that many of the unpaved roads in Florida where we lived were
made of crushed sea shells. That also packed down very hard over time.

On 10/18/2018 5:58 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 03:31:30 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

True North wrote:
Mr. Luddite

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On 10/17/2018 7:20 PM, Bill wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:54:57 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:19:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/17/2018 1:42 PM, John H. wrote:
A friend told me about this stuff:

Â*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uaIVIUVOyM

Will try it.



I remember my dad using stuff like that back when I was just a kid.
Didn't come in a bag though. Â*He had to glass vials with the
components in it. Â*He used it to put flotation foam on each end
of a canoe and also between the rafters on the underside of a raft
we had in a small lake.

Only thing I noticed in the video is that there cannot be any standing
water in the hole. Â*I seem to remember you commenting that there was
water or the water table was very high or something.


Yeah, like I told Greg - I'm going to let things dry up a bit. Project
is now postponed until next
week. We're going on a camping trip tomorrow.

===

John, I believe you're over thinking this thing. Â*I'd do it pretty
much the way Greg has suggested: Â*Mix up some concrete the usual way
with some sand and gravel; Insert post in ground; Pour concrete around
it. Â*The concrete, being heavier than water, will sink to the bottom
and push the water up until it overflows. Â*Check post for vertical,
open a beer, and come back in a couple of hours. Â*After all it's just
a mailbox, not a structural support for a high rise building. Â*:-)


I would just use gravel. Â*Maybe quarter dust. Â*The small stuff that makes
great pathways. Â*A heck of a lot easier to replace the post when a snowplow
or idiot driver takes it out.



"We call that "stone dust" around here. Â*You're right. Â*It's available in
various colors and looks nice as walkways."


Same as crusher dust?
There's also pea gravel used on walkways. Believe it's a quarter of an inch in diameter.



Pea gravel seems to be round stuff. Stone dust / quarter dust is more
broken rock.

Yup.



Here's an example of a newly installed (by me) walkway that was pea
stone covered by stone dust. It hadn't "packed down" yet but in time
it did and became very hard. It was a walkway that ran from the
driveway along the side of our house leading to the backyard and pool area.

The truck was the F-350 diesel that I had all kinds of problems
with and eventually got rid of it. Nice truck though ... Harley
Davidson edition, all leather and every option. Hated to get rid
of it but the 6.0L diesel Ford used at the time had serious issues.

I had the General Lee for a while, put a new high performance 440ci
engine in it but ended up gifting it to a Army dude who got seriously
injured in Iraq due to an IED that blew up under his HumVee. He
was a "Dukes of Hazard" nut and dreamed of having a car like this.
Made his day (and mine).

http://funkyimg.com/i/2MdAM.jpg

Hemmings article about car:

https://www.hemmings.com/blog/tag/randy-hyatt/

On 10/17/2018 11:31 PM, Bill wrote:
True North wrote:
Mr. Luddite

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On 10/17/2018 7:20 PM, Bill wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:54:57 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:19:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/17/2018 1:42 PM, John H. wrote:
A friend told me about this stuff:

Â*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uaIVIUVOyM

Will try it.



I remember my dad using stuff like that back when I was just a kid.
Didn't come in a bag though. Â*He had to glass vials with the
components in it. Â*He used it to put flotation foam on each end
of a canoe and also between the rafters on the underside of a raft
we had in a small lake.

Only thing I noticed in the video is that there cannot be any standing
water in the hole. Â*I seem to remember you commenting that there was
water or the water table was very high or something.


Yeah, like I told Greg - I'm going to let things dry up a bit. Project
is now postponed until next
week. We're going on a camping trip tomorrow.

===

John, I believe you're over thinking this thing. Â*I'd do it pretty
much the way Greg has suggested: Â*Mix up some concrete the usual way
with some sand and gravel; Insert post in ground; Pour concrete around
it. Â*The concrete, being heavier than water, will sink to the bottom
and push the water up until it overflows. Â*Check post for vertical,
open a beer, and come back in a couple of hours. Â*After all it's just
a mailbox, not a structural support for a high rise building. Â*:-)


I would just use gravel. Â*Maybe quarter dust. Â*The small stuff that makes
great pathways. Â*A heck of a lot easier to replace the post when a snowplow
or idiot driver takes it out.



"We call that "stone dust" around here. Â*You're right. Â*It's available in
various colors and looks nice as walkways."


Same as crusher dust?
There's also pea gravel used on walkways. Believe it's a quarter of an inch in diameter.



Pea gravel seems to be round stuff. Stone dust / quarter dust is more
broken rock.



Seems like gravel and it's by-products are called different things in
different parts of the county. Here in MA where there is a lot of
granite stone dust is ... well ... dust. It's very, very fine and can
pack in around larger stone.

John H. Wrote in message:
On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 22:47:31 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/17/18 5:18 PM, Tim wrote:

1:39 PMKeyser Soze
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Crikey, a retired Army "engineer" can't figure out how to set a simple
mailbox post in the ground...too, too funny.
...........


Combat engineers don’t plant mailboxes. That’s one of the last things on a sappers mind.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapper


Well, the Army got the "sap" part right for Herring.

Even a liberal arts grad like me knows how to set a post...


Yup, call up a handyman.

I think Harry has probably never set a post, especially in a hole filling with a couple gallons of
water in a couple hours. You're right, he'd most likely call a handyman.


Harry was so proud of the post holes his non union contractor dug
for him that he posted several photos for us to see.

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On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 8:59:42 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/17/18 8:56 PM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
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Well, the Army got the "sap" part right for Herring.

Even a liberal arts grad like me knows how to set a post...

............

But can you disarm a land mine or clear an enemy tunnel?

Why would I want to? I don't encounter either in my wanderings in the 50
states or where I go abroad these days.

That's because you are a pussy that breaks his wrist falling down the basement stairs.




Is that what happened? That would explain why he put down
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On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 07:13:23 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/17/2018 10:58 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 21:50:30 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/17/2018 9:30 PM, True North wrote:
Mr. Luddite

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On 10/17/2018 7:20 PM, Bill wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:54:57 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:19:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/17/2018 1:42 PM, John H. wrote:
A friend told me about this stuff:

Â*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uaIVIUVOyM

Will try it.



I remember my dad using stuff like that back when I was just a kid.
Didn't come in a bag though. Â*He had to glass vials with the
components in it. Â*He used it to put flotation foam on each end
of a canoe and also between the rafters on the underside of a raft
we had in a small lake.

Only thing I noticed in the video is that there cannot be any standing
water in the hole. Â*I seem to remember you commenting that there was
water or the water table was very high or something.


Yeah, like I told Greg - I'm going to let things dry up a bit. Project
is now postponed until next
week. We're going on a camping trip tomorrow.

===

John, I believe you're over thinking this thing. Â*I'd do it pretty
much the way Greg has suggested: Â*Mix up some concrete the usual way
with some sand and gravel; Insert post in ground; Pour concrete around
it. Â*The concrete, being heavier than water, will sink to the bottom
and push the water up until it overflows. Â*Check post for vertical,
open a beer, and come back in a couple of hours. Â*After all it's just
a mailbox, not a structural support for a high rise building. Â*:-)


I would just use gravel. Â*Maybe quarter dust. Â*The small stuff that makes
great pathways. Â*A heck of a lot easier to replace the post when a snowplow
or idiot driver takes it out.



"We call that "stone dust" around here. Â*You're right. Â*It's available in
various colors and looks nice as walkways."


Same as crusher dust?
There's also pea gravel used on walkways. Believe it's a quarter of an inch in diameter.



I never heard of crusher dust but it's probably the same thing as what
we call "stone dust". Over time it packs down hard and becomes almost
as hard as asphalt. Horses used to walk on it and barely made an
imprint of their shoes.


Around here the go too rock is 57 stone. That is what they use any
time they are not using concrete or asphalt. If they roll it, you end
up with a very hard surface.
http://www.gravelshop.com/shop-bilde...-485_large.jpg
It also does a great job on posts and such if you tamp it in every few
inches of lift. You just have to be sure you are keeping the post
plumb because you are not moving it later.



Much bigger and shaped than stone dust. The old farm house we owned
that my mother lived in did not have a paved driveway. It was gravel
and was likely the same age as the house which was built in 1800.

I didn't want to pave it but to clean it up a bit I used grey/blue
colored "pea stone" (about a 1/4 inch diameter on average) and, after
spreading it with the tractor I put a layer of stone dust on top of it.
In time with driving on it and with rain the stone dust filled in all
the spaces that existed in the loose pea stone and the surface became
very hard, not unlike asphalt but a much better "look" with the old house.

I remember that many of the unpaved roads in Florida where we lived were
made of crushed sea shells. That also packed down very hard over time.


That is basically what all of the "rock" is here. Shell or fossil
coral. It is basically limestone but came from some living thing
thousands of years ago. Some places here are covered with 50' of sand
but a little ways away you will hit the coral rock a foot or two down.
In the first place my wife built houses they had to blast to get
through the rock to do anything. I made them about 60 permit board
stands with 120# of concrete because they couldn't dig deep enough to
set a pole.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Permit%20board%20stands.jpg

They all lived through Charley and none even fell over.

On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 07:39:48 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/18/2018 5:58 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 03:31:30 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

True North wrote:
Mr. Luddite

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On 10/17/2018 7:20 PM, Bill wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:54:57 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:19:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/17/2018 1:42 PM, John H. wrote:
A friend told me about this stuff:

Â*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uaIVIUVOyM

Will try it.



I remember my dad using stuff like that back when I was just a kid.
Didn't come in a bag though. Â*He had to glass vials with the
components in it. Â*He used it to put flotation foam on each end
of a canoe and also between the rafters on the underside of a raft
we had in a small lake.

Only thing I noticed in the video is that there cannot be any standing
water in the hole. Â*I seem to remember you commenting that there was
water or the water table was very high or something.


Yeah, like I told Greg - I'm going to let things dry up a bit. Project
is now postponed until next
week. We're going on a camping trip tomorrow.

===

John, I believe you're over thinking this thing. Â*I'd do it pretty
much the way Greg has suggested: Â*Mix up some concrete the usual way
with some sand and gravel; Insert post in ground; Pour concrete around
it. Â*The concrete, being heavier than water, will sink to the bottom
and push the water up until it overflows. Â*Check post for vertical,
open a beer, and come back in a couple of hours. Â*After all it's just
a mailbox, not a structural support for a high rise building. Â*:-)


I would just use gravel. Â*Maybe quarter dust. Â*The small stuff that makes
great pathways. Â*A heck of a lot easier to replace the post when a snowplow
or idiot driver takes it out.



"We call that "stone dust" around here. Â*You're right. Â*It's available in
various colors and looks nice as walkways."


Same as crusher dust?
There's also pea gravel used on walkways. Believe it's a quarter of an inch in diameter.



Pea gravel seems to be round stuff. Stone dust / quarter dust is more
broken rock.

Yup.



Here's an example of a newly installed (by me) walkway that was pea
stone covered by stone dust. It hadn't "packed down" yet but in time
it did and became very hard. It was a walkway that ran from the
driveway along the side of our house leading to the backyard and pool area.

The truck was the F-350 diesel that I had all kinds of problems
with and eventually got rid of it. Nice truck though ... Harley
Davidson edition, all leather and every option. Hated to get rid
of it but the 6.0L diesel Ford used at the time had serious issues.

I had the General Lee for a while, put a new high performance 440ci
engine in it but ended up gifting it to a Army dude who got seriously
injured in Iraq due to an IED that blew up under his HumVee. He
was a "Dukes of Hazard" nut and dreamed of having a car like this.
Made his day (and mine).

http://funkyimg.com/i/2MdAM.jpg

Hemmings article about car:

https://www.hemmings.com/blog/tag/randy-hyatt/

Cool.

On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 7:39:52 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/18/2018 5:58 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 03:31:30 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

True North wrote:
Mr. Luddite

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On 10/17/2018 7:20 PM, Bill wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:54:57 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:19:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/17/2018 1:42 PM, John H. wrote:
A friend told me about this stuff:

Â*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uaIVIUVOyM

Will try it.



I remember my dad using stuff like that back when I was just a kid.
Didn't come in a bag though. Â*He had to glass vials with the
components in it. Â*He used it to put flotation foam on each end
of a canoe and also between the rafters on the underside of a raft
we had in a small lake.

Only thing I noticed in the video is that there cannot be any standing
water in the hole. Â*I seem to remember you commenting that there was
water or the water table was very high or something.


Yeah, like I told Greg - I'm going to let things dry up a bit. Project
is now postponed until next
week. We're going on a camping trip tomorrow.

===

John, I believe you're over thinking this thing. Â*I'd do it pretty
much the way Greg has suggested: Â*Mix up some concrete the usual way
with some sand and gravel; Insert post in ground; Pour concrete around
it. Â*The concrete, being heavier than water, will sink to the bottom
and push the water up until it overflows. Â*Check post for vertical,
open a beer, and come back in a couple of hours. Â*After all it's just
a mailbox, not a structural support for a high rise building. Â*:-)


I would just use gravel. Â*Maybe quarter dust. Â*The small stuff that makes
great pathways. Â*A heck of a lot easier to replace the post when a snowplow
or idiot driver takes it out.



"We call that "stone dust" around here. Â*You're right. Â*It's available in
various colors and looks nice as walkways."


Same as crusher dust?
There's also pea gravel used on walkways. Believe it's a quarter of an inch in diameter.



Pea gravel seems to be round stuff. Stone dust / quarter dust is more
broken rock.

Yup.



Here's an example of a newly installed (by me) walkway that was pea
stone covered by stone dust. It hadn't "packed down" yet but in time
it did and became very hard. It was a walkway that ran from the
driveway along the side of our house leading to the backyard and pool area.

The truck was the F-350 diesel that I had all kinds of problems
with and eventually got rid of it. Nice truck though ... Harley
Davidson edition, all leather and every option. Hated to get rid
of it but the 6.0L diesel Ford used at the time had serious issues.

I had the General Lee for a while, put a new high performance 440ci
engine in it but ended up gifting it to a Army dude who got seriously
injured in Iraq due to an IED that blew up under his HumVee. He
was a "Dukes of Hazard" nut and dreamed of having a car like this.
Made his day (and mine).

http://funkyimg.com/i/2MdAM.jpg

Hemmings article about car:

https://www.hemmings.com/blog/tag/randy-hyatt/

Great picture. It's funny how it just looks like a place that would be cold and snowy in the winter. There's just something about northern homes and landscaping that gives it away to my eye.

It's a shame the guy sold the car. You never know what might have been going on in his life.