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3:05 PMJohn H Enjoy http://jportal.mdcourts.gov/judgment...mentSearch.jsf Just insert last name and first and select Calvert County and then 'search'.. ........ Who are you talking about John? What’s the search for? |
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As usual The John is agitating and instigating against Harry.
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5:05 PMTrue North As usual The John is agitating and instigating against Harry. ...... Don, you must know more about it than me. |
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On Thursday, September 27, 2018 at 6:05:53 PM UTC-4, True North wrote:
As usual The John is agitating and instigating against Harry. Ah, so you know it is a public record of a judgement against harry by the state of Maryland for unpaid taxes. How does that make you feel? You lose some respect for your master? |
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On 9/27/18 6:05 PM, True North wrote:
As usual The John is agitating and instigating against Harry. Darn...I missed it (again). Herring doesn't have much in his life. He's getting too old to ride his motorcycle, he's been to the same bluegrass festival on different sites over and over, his health is a real issue, he's deaf, and about all he really has is to be snotty here. What a yawn. |
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Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 9/27/18 6:05 PM, True North wrote: As usual The John is agitating and instigating against Harry. Darn...I missed it (again). Herring doesn't have much in his life. He's getting too old to ride his motorcycle, he's been to the same bluegrass festival on different sites over and over, his health is a real issue, he's deaf, and about all he really has is to be snotty here. What a yawn. No big deal. The link proves you are a deadbeat. -- x |
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True North wrote:
As usual The John is agitating and instigating against Harry. Harry created his own problems, dummy. |
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Its Me wrote:
On Thursday, September 27, 2018 at 6:05:53 PM UTC-4, True North wrote: As usual The John is agitating and instigating against Harry. Ah, so you know it is a public record of a judgement against harry by the state of Maryland for unpaid taxes. How does that make you feel? You lose some respect for your master? I'm sure Fat Harry pulled the plug on his participation in this thread in a private email scolding. |
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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/27/18 6:05 PM, True North wrote: As usual The John is agitating and instigating against Harry. Darn...I missed it (again). Herring doesn't have much in his life. He's getting too old to ride his motorcycle, he's been to the same bluegrass festival on different sites over and over, his health is a real issue, he's deaf, and about all he really has is to be snotty here. What a yawn. Payback is a bitch, eh? |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 18:42:32 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 9/27/18 6:05 PM, True North wrote: As usual The John is agitating and instigating against Harry. Darn...I missed it (again). Herring doesn't have much in his life. He's getting too old to ride his motorcycle, he's been to the same bluegrass festival on different sites over and over, his health is a real issue, he's deaf, and about all he really has is to be snotty here. What a yawn. === 'Airree, it would be interesting to hear your explanation for why you have all these issues with unpaid taxes. You're always telling us how affluent you and your wife are, so why don't you just pay up and get them off your back? Something doesn't make sense here. Help us out and we might be more sympathetic. |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 15:05:51 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:
As usual The John is agitating and instigating against Harry. Thanks, Don. |
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 15:05:51 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:
As usual The John is agitating and instigating against Harry. Oh, Don, you forgot to provide Harry the link. http://jportal.mdcourts.gov/judgment...mentSearch.jsf |
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Sep 27Keyser Soze On 9/27/18 6:05 PM, True North wrote: As usual The John is agitating and instigating against Harry. Darn...I missed it (again). Herring doesn't have much in his life. He's getting too old to ride his motorcycle, he's been to the same bluegrass festival on different sites over and over, his health is a real issue, he's deaf, and about all he really has is to be snotty here. What a yawn. ......... Odd, from what I know, he rides his motorcycle practically every day and in occasion, long distance. Being to the same bluegrass sites “over and over” seems to be better than your political rehashes “over and over” Cool ncernng his health being a “real issue” He walks over 5 miles a day when weather permits. Yes he’s deaf. Lost his hearing while serving his country. Harry, Your posts are some of the most “snotty” (or worse) on rec.boats. But I know you take pride in that. |
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 06:44:44 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
Sep 27Keyser Soze On 9/27/18 6:05 PM, True North wrote: As usual The John is agitating and instigating against Harry. Darn...I missed it (again). Herring doesn't have much in his life. He's getting too old to ride his motorcycle, he's been to the same bluegrass festival on different sites over and over, his health is a real issue, he's deaf, and about all he really has is to be snotty here. What a yawn. ........ Odd, from what I know, he rides his motorcycle practically every day and in occasion, long distance. Being to the same bluegrass sites over and over seems to be better than your political rehashes over and over Cool ncernng his health being a real issue He walks over 5 miles a day when weather permits. Yes hes deaf. Lost his hearing while serving his country. Harry, Your posts are some of the most snotty (or worse) on rec.boats. But I know you take pride in that. Good to see you understood his whine. I'm still not sure what he means by 'same bluegrass festival on different sites'. Maybe because the music is similar at each festival? It gets to where the music takes second place to seeing and having fun with good friends. |
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9:03 AMJohn H - show quoted text - Good to see you understood his whine. I'm still not sure what he means by 'same bluegrass festival on different sites'. Maybe because the music is similar at each festival? It gets to where the music takes second place to seeing and having fun with good friends. ........ At least you’re getting fresh air, exercise, and sunshine. Btw, I rode my Guzzi 400 mi this week...so far. Might get another 200 mi in before Monday. |
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:12:14 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
9:03 AMJohn H - show quoted text - Good to see you understood his whine. I'm still not sure what he means by 'same bluegrass festival on different sites'. Maybe because the music is similar at each festival? It gets to where the music takes second place to seeing and having fun with good friends. ....... At least youre getting fresh air, exercise, and sunshine. Btw, I rode my Guzzi 400 mi this week...so far. Might get another 200 mi in before Monday. I think I'll take mine for a ride tomorrow. I finished installing the new converter, and now I'm tired. Climbing in and out of that thing is a bitch. |
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John H. wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:12:14 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 9:03 AMJohn H - show quoted text - Good to see you understood his whine. I'm still not sure what he means by 'same bluegrass festival on different sites'. Maybe because the music is similar at each festival? It gets to where the music takes second place to seeing and having fun with good friends. ....... At least youre getting fresh air, exercise, and sunshine. Btw, I rode my Guzzi 400 mi this week...so far. Might get another 200 mi in before Monday. I think I'll take mine for a ride tomorrow. I finished installing the new converter, and now I'm tired. Climbing in and out of that thing is a bitch. Dc to AC is an Inverter. |
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:
John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:12:14 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 9:03 AMJohn H - show quoted text - Good to see you understood his whine. I'm still not sure what he means by 'same bluegrass festival on different sites'. Maybe because the music is similar at each festival? It gets to where the music takes second place to seeing and having fun with good friends. ....... At least you?re getting fresh air, exercise, and sunshine. Btw, I rode my Guzzi 400 mi this week...so far. Might get another 200 mi in before Monday. I think I'll take mine for a ride tomorrow. I finished installing the new converter, and now I'm tired. Climbing in and out of that thing is a bitch. Dc to AC is an Inverter. Agreed. My converter converts 120vac to 12vdc. |
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John H. wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:12:14 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 9:03 AMJohn H - show quoted text - Good to see you understood his whine. I'm still not sure what he means by 'same bluegrass festival on different sites'. Maybe because the music is similar at each festival? It gets to where the music takes second place to seeing and having fun with good friends. ....... At least you?re getting fresh air, exercise, and sunshine. Btw, I rode my Guzzi 400 mi this week...so far. Might get another 200 mi in before Monday. I think I'll take mine for a ride tomorrow. I finished installing the new converter, and now I'm tired. Climbing in and out of that thing is a bitch. Dc to AC is an Inverter. Agreed. My converter converts 120vac to 12vdc. The one I replaced in my Palomino camper did that also was called an inverter. |
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 21:19:50 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:
John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:12:14 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 9:03 AMJohn H - show quoted text - Good to see you understood his whine. I'm still not sure what he means by 'same bluegrass festival on different sites'. Maybe because the music is similar at each festival? It gets to where the music takes second place to seeing and having fun with good friends. ....... At least you?re getting fresh air, exercise, and sunshine. Btw, I rode my Guzzi 400 mi this week...so far. Might get another 200 mi in before Monday. I think I'll take mine for a ride tomorrow. I finished installing the new converter, and now I'm tired. Climbing in and out of that thing is a bitch. Dc to AC is an Inverter. Agreed. My converter converts 120vac to 12vdc. The one I replaced in my Palomino camper did that also was called an inverter. https://www.diffen.com/difference/Converter_vs_Inverter Maybe they were just calling it the wrong name. |
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John H. Wrote in message:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:12:14 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 9:03 AMJohn H - show quoted text - Good to see you understood his whine. I'm still not sure what he means by 'same bluegrass festival on different sites'. Maybe because the music is similar at each festival? It gets to where the music takes second place to seeing and having fun with good friends. ....... At least you?re getting fresh air, exercise, and sunshine. Btw, I rode my Guzzi 400 mi this week...so far. Might get another 200 mi in before Monday. I think I'll take mine for a ride tomorrow. I finished installing the new converter, and now I'm tired. Climbing in and out of that thing is a bitch. Dc to AC is an Inverter. Agreed. My converter converts 120vac to 12vdc. Why would you wanr to do that? -- x |
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On 9/28/2018 5:19 PM, Bill wrote:
John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:12:14 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 9:03 AMJohn H - show quoted text - Good to see you understood his whine. I'm still not sure what he means by 'same bluegrass festival on different sites'. Maybe because the music is similar at each festival? It gets to where the music takes second place to seeing and having fun with good friends. ....... At least you?re getting fresh air, exercise, and sunshine. Btw, I rode my Guzzi 400 mi this week...so far. Might get another 200 mi in before Monday. I think I'll take mine for a ride tomorrow. I finished installing the new converter, and now I'm tired. Climbing in and out of that thing is a bitch. Dc to AC is an Inverter. Agreed. My converter converts 120vac to 12vdc. The one I replaced in my Palomino camper did that also was called an inverter. IIRC, some RV units do both. There's a section that is a converter (120vac to 12vdc) and a section that is an inverter (12vdc to 120vac) We had a Chinook Glacier that had one. It went bad but was replaced under warranty. |
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 17:54:23 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:
John H. Wrote in message: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:12:14 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 9:03 AMJohn H - show quoted text - Good to see you understood his whine. I'm still not sure what he means by 'same bluegrass festival on different sites'. Maybe because the music is similar at each festival? It gets to where the music takes second place to seeing and having fun with good friends. ....... At least you?re getting fresh air, exercise, and sunshine. Btw, I rode my Guzzi 400 mi this week...so far. Might get another 200 mi in before Monday. I think I'll take mine for a ride tomorrow. I finished installing the new converter, and now I'm tired. Climbing in and out of that thing is a bitch. Dc to AC is an Inverter. Agreed. My converter converts 120vac to 12vdc. Why would you wanr to do that? === It sounds like he has a lot of 12 volt "stuff", probably so he can operate with out being plugged in - but then you need to keep the battery charged up. |
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 17:31:26 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 21:19:50 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:12:14 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 9:03 AMJohn H - show quoted text - Good to see you understood his whine. I'm still not sure what he means by 'same bluegrass festival on different sites'. Maybe because the music is similar at each festival? It gets to where the music takes second place to seeing and having fun with good friends. ....... At least you?re getting fresh air, exercise, and sunshine. Btw, I rode my Guzzi 400 mi this week...so far. Might get another 200 mi in before Monday. I think I'll take mine for a ride tomorrow. I finished installing the new converter, and now I'm tired. Climbing in and out of that thing is a bitch. Dc to AC is an Inverter. Agreed. My converter converts 120vac to 12vdc. The one I replaced in my Palomino camper did that also was called an inverter. https://www.diffen.com/difference/Converter_vs_Inverter Maybe they were just calling it the wrong name. Weigh it ;-) If it does not have a big transformer in it is an inverter. Inverters turn whatever you feed them into a high frequency square wave (20kz or more) them get the voltage they want with a tiny little transformer. That can be up or down. |
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 17:54:23 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:
John H. Wrote in message: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:12:14 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 9:03 AMJohn H - show quoted text - Good to see you understood his whine. I'm still not sure what he means by 'same bluegrass festival on different sites'. Maybe because the music is similar at each festival? It gets to where the music takes second place to seeing and having fun with good friends. ....... At least you?re getting fresh air, exercise, and sunshine. Btw, I rode my Guzzi 400 mi this week...so far. Might get another 200 mi in before Monday. I think I'll take mine for a ride tomorrow. I finished installing the new converter, and now I'm tired. Climbing in and out of that thing is a bitch. Dc to AC is an Inverter. Agreed. My converter converts 120vac to 12vdc. Why would you wanr to do that? All the lights are 12v, and so are the slides and the jacks. That way I can unhitch, level the rig, open the slides, and see what I'm doing while using my gas stove and refrigerator. The fridge and the furnace are ignited with 12v. In other words, I can rough it (?) without 120v if need be, yet still have most of the amenities. No microwave, Keurig, TV/Stereo, fireplace, or space heaters though. |
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"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 9/28/2018 8:44 PM, wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 17:31:26 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 21:19:50 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:12:14 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 9:03 AMJohn H - show quoted text - Good to see you understood his whine. I'm still not sure what he means by 'same bluegrass festival on different sites'. Maybe because the music is similar at each festival? It gets to where the music takes second place to seeing and having fun with good friends. ....... At least you?re getting fresh air, exercise, and sunshine. Btw, I rode my Guzzi 400 mi this week...so far. Might get another 200 mi in before Monday. I think I'll take mine for a ride tomorrow. I finished installing the new converter, and now I'm tired. Climbing in and out of that thing is a bitch. Dc to AC is an Inverter. Agreed. My converter converts 120vac to 12vdc. The one I replaced in my Palomino camper did that also was called an inverter. https://www.diffen.com/difference/Converter_vs_Inverter Maybe they were just calling it the wrong name. Weigh it ;-) If it does not have a big transformer in it is an inverter. Inverters turn whatever you feed them into a high frequency square wave (20kz or more) them get the voltage they want with a tiny little transformer. That can be up or down. Switching power supply. Problem is, some converters are now based on switching power supplies. Most of the small, inexpensive, 3 stage battery chargers/maintainers use them. I'm having trouble distinguishing between converter and battery charger. -- x |
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 19:29:48 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 17:54:23 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: John H. Wrote in message: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:12:14 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 9:03 AMJohn H - show quoted text - Good to see you understood his whine. I'm still not sure what he means by 'same bluegrass festival on different sites'. Maybe because the music is similar at each festival? It gets to where the music takes second place to seeing and having fun with good friends. ....... At least you?re getting fresh air, exercise, and sunshine. Btw, I rode my Guzzi 400 mi this week...so far. Might get another 200 mi in before Monday. I think I'll take mine for a ride tomorrow. I finished installing the new converter, and now I'm tired. Climbing in and out of that thing is a bitch. Dc to AC is an Inverter. Agreed. My converter converts 120vac to 12vdc. Why would you wanr to do that? === It sounds like he has a lot of 12 volt "stuff", probably so he can operate with out being plugged in - but then you need to keep the battery charged up. Yup, as mentioned to Justan above. Having two batteries in the truck can be a help as I found out on our last trip. |
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:44:43 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 17:31:26 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 21:19:50 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:12:14 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 9:03 AMJohn H - show quoted text - Good to see you understood his whine. I'm still not sure what he means by 'same bluegrass festival on different sites'. Maybe because the music is similar at each festival? It gets to where the music takes second place to seeing and having fun with good friends. ....... At least you?re getting fresh air, exercise, and sunshine. Btw, I rode my Guzzi 400 mi this week...so far. Might get another 200 mi in before Monday. I think I'll take mine for a ride tomorrow. I finished installing the new converter, and now I'm tired. Climbing in and out of that thing is a bitch. Dc to AC is an Inverter. Agreed. My converter converts 120vac to 12vdc. The one I replaced in my Palomino camper did that also was called an inverter. https://www.diffen.com/difference/Converter_vs_Inverter Maybe they were just calling it the wrong name. Weigh it ;-) If it does not have a big transformer in it is an inverter. Inverters turn whatever you feed them into a high frequency square wave (20kz or more) them get the voltage they want with a tiny little transformer. That can be up or down. So the site is wrong? Mine does not have a big transformer as it is not expected to transform 120v to 240v or vice-versa. The item I just installed is a converter. It converts 12vdc to 120vac. Watch the video. https://www.arrow.com/en/research-an...vs-transformer Converters also have only job: convert AC power to DC power. But the word converter is very generic, and you may often see it being used incorrectly. For example, if someone says DC to AC converter, that makes logical sense even though the correct terminology is DC to AC inverter. The same argument can be made by saying DC to DC converters. AC to DC converters are also regularly referred to as power supplies. Inverters ultimately have only one job take in DC current and turn it into AC current. In theory, this is very easy, because a simple switch and some creative wiring can give you an alternating square wave operating at the frequency that you flip the switch. But in reality, square waves are very damaging to nearly all modern electronics that rely on AC power. So the real question is: How do you take AC power and turn it into something useable? The answer is, you can filter the square wave using precisely selected inductors and capacitors to create a sine wave, or at least something close to a sine wave. Oftentimes, inverters will also feature a transformer. This is done so that the AC voltage out can actually be different from the DC voltage in, depending on the number of coils on the primary and secondary winding. Maybe that will help clear it up. |
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justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: On 9/28/2018 8:44 PM, wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 17:31:26 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 21:19:50 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:12:14 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 9:03 AMJohn H - show quoted text - Good to see you understood his whine. I'm still not sure what he means by 'same bluegrass festival on different sites'. Maybe because the music is similar at each festival? It gets to where the music takes second place to seeing and having fun with good friends. ....... At least you?re getting fresh air, exercise, and sunshine. Btw, I rode my Guzzi 400 mi this week...so far. Might get another 200 mi in before Monday. I think I'll take mine for a ride tomorrow. I finished installing the new converter, and now I'm tired. Climbing in and out of that thing is a bitch. Dc to AC is an Inverter. Agreed. My converter converts 120vac to 12vdc. The one I replaced in my Palomino camper did that also was called an inverter. https://www.diffen.com/difference/Converter_vs_Inverter Maybe they were just calling it the wrong name. Weigh it ;-) If it does not have a big transformer in it is an inverter. Inverters turn whatever you feed them into a high frequency square wave (20kz or more) them get the voltage they want with a tiny little transformer. That can be up or down. Switching power supply. Problem is, some converters are now based on switching power supplies. Most of the small, inexpensive, 3 stage battery chargers/maintainers use them. I'm having trouble distinguishing between converter and battery charger. A battery charger is a limited use converter. An RV converter will give the 12 volts directly to the 12v system without a battery. |
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 21:11:39 -0400, John H.
wrote: The item I just installed is a converter. It converts 12vdc to 120vac. === That would be an inverter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_inverter |
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 21:11:39 -0400, John H.
wrote: Inverters ultimately have only one job take in DC current and turn it into AC current. In theory, this is very easy, because a simple switch and some creative wiring can give you an alternating square wave operating at the frequency that you flip the switch. But in reality, square waves are very damaging to nearly all modern electronics that rely on AC power. So the real question is: How do you take AC power and turn it into something useable? The answer is, you can filter the square wave using precisely selected inductors and capacitors to create a sine wave, or at least something close to a sine wave. === Modern day sine wave inverters use high frequency switching logic to approximate a sine wave with only minimal filtering required. |
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:47:52 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 9/28/2018 8:44 PM, wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 17:31:26 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 21:19:50 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:12:14 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 9:03 AMJohn H - show quoted text - Good to see you understood his whine. I'm still not sure what he means by 'same bluegrass festival on different sites'. Maybe because the music is similar at each festival? It gets to where the music takes second place to seeing and having fun with good friends. ....... At least you?re getting fresh air, exercise, and sunshine. Btw, I rode my Guzzi 400 mi this week...so far. Might get another 200 mi in before Monday. I think I'll take mine for a ride tomorrow. I finished installing the new converter, and now I'm tired. Climbing in and out of that thing is a bitch. Dc to AC is an Inverter. Agreed. My converter converts 120vac to 12vdc. The one I replaced in my Palomino camper did that also was called an inverter. https://www.diffen.com/difference/Converter_vs_Inverter Maybe they were just calling it the wrong name. Weigh it ;-) If it does not have a big transformer in it is an inverter. Inverters turn whatever you feed them into a high frequency square wave (20kz or more) them get the voltage they want with a tiny little transformer. That can be up or down. Switching power supply. Problem is, some converters are now based on switching power supplies. Most of the small, inexpensive, 3 stage battery chargers/maintainers use them. I won't get into an argument about nomenclature but I agree everyone is going to switchers. Silicon is cheaper than copper and you end up with better voltage regulation along with a very wide mouth. You really just have to look at the state of wall warts and laptop chargers and even TVs to see that. It also makes it very handy for multinational manufacturers The same power supply will work anywhere 100-250v,50 or 60 hz. They just need a different plug. |
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:59:59 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:
I'm having trouble distinguishing between converter and battery charger. Sort of like buffalo and bison huh? ;-) I have some Florida Panthers here that would be mountain lions if they crossed the Georgia line and they were cougars when they caught them in Texas and sent them here. |
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:59:59 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: On 9/28/2018 8:44 PM, wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 17:31:26 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 21:19:50 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:12:14 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 9:03 AMJohn H - show quoted text - Good to see you understood his whine. I'm still not sure what he means by 'same bluegrass festival on different sites'. Maybe because the music is similar at each festival? It gets to where the music takes second place to seeing and having fun with good friends. ....... At least you?re getting fresh air, exercise, and sunshine. Btw, I rode my Guzzi 400 mi this week...so far. Might get another 200 mi in before Monday. I think I'll take mine for a ride tomorrow. I finished installing the new converter, and now I'm tired. Climbing in and out of that thing is a bitch. Dc to AC is an Inverter. Agreed. My converter converts 120vac to 12vdc. The one I replaced in my Palomino camper did that also was called an inverter. https://www.diffen.com/difference/Converter_vs_Inverter Maybe they were just calling it the wrong name. Weigh it ;-) If it does not have a big transformer in it is an inverter. Inverters turn whatever you feed them into a high frequency square wave (20kz or more) them get the voltage they want with a tiny little transformer. That can be up or down. Switching power supply. Problem is, some converters are now based on switching power supplies. Most of the small, inexpensive, 3 stage battery chargers/maintainers use them. I'm having trouble distinguishing between converter and battery charger. === The two are sometimes interchangeably but that's not really correct. A true converter is designed to provide a steady DC voltage at a level that approximates a fully charged battery, about 12.6 to 13.2 volts. In effect, a converter is a DC power supply. A charger on the other hand, must supply a higher voltage initially, typically in the range of 14.2 to 14.6 volts, and then taper off as the battery becomes fully charged. |
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 22:12:26 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:59:59 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: On 9/28/2018 8:44 PM, wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 17:31:26 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 21:19:50 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:12:14 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 9:03 AMJohn H - show quoted text - Good to see you understood his whine. I'm still not sure what he means by 'same bluegrass festival on different sites'. Maybe because the music is similar at each festival? It gets to where the music takes second place to seeing and having fun with good friends. ....... At least you?re getting fresh air, exercise, and sunshine. Btw, I rode my Guzzi 400 mi this week...so far. Might get another 200 mi in before Monday. I think I'll take mine for a ride tomorrow. I finished installing the new converter, and now I'm tired. Climbing in and out of that thing is a bitch. Dc to AC is an Inverter. Agreed. My converter converts 120vac to 12vdc. The one I replaced in my Palomino camper did that also was called an inverter. https://www.diffen.com/difference/Converter_vs_Inverter Maybe they were just calling it the wrong name. Weigh it ;-) If it does not have a big transformer in it is an inverter. Inverters turn whatever you feed them into a high frequency square wave (20kz or more) them get the voltage they want with a tiny little transformer. That can be up or down. Switching power supply. Problem is, some converters are now based on switching power supplies. Most of the small, inexpensive, 3 stage battery chargers/maintainers use them. I'm having trouble distinguishing between converter and battery charger. === The two are sometimes interchangeably but that's not really correct. A true converter is designed to provide a steady DC voltage at a level that approximates a fully charged battery, about 12.6 to 13.2 volts. In effect, a converter is a DC power supply. A charger on the other hand, must supply a higher voltage initially, typically in the range of 14.2 to 14.6 volts, and then taper off as the battery becomes fully charged. Make that sometimes used interchangeably... |
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 21:11:39 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:44:43 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 17:31:26 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 21:19:50 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:12:14 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 9:03 AMJohn H - show quoted text - Good to see you understood his whine. I'm still not sure what he means by 'same bluegrass festival on different sites'. Maybe because the music is similar at each festival? It gets to where the music takes second place to seeing and having fun with good friends. ....... At least you?re getting fresh air, exercise, and sunshine. Btw, I rode my Guzzi 400 mi this week...so far. Might get another 200 mi in before Monday. I think I'll take mine for a ride tomorrow. I finished installing the new converter, and now I'm tired. Climbing in and out of that thing is a bitch. Dc to AC is an Inverter. Agreed. My converter converts 120vac to 12vdc. The one I replaced in my Palomino camper did that also was called an inverter. https://www.diffen.com/difference/Converter_vs_Inverter Maybe they were just calling it the wrong name. Weigh it ;-) If it does not have a big transformer in it is an inverter. Inverters turn whatever you feed them into a high frequency square wave (20kz or more) them get the voltage they want with a tiny little transformer. That can be up or down. So the site is wrong? Mine does not have a big transformer as it is not expected to transform 120v to 240v or vice-versa. The item I just installed is a converter. It converts 12vdc to 120vac. Your converter is pretty much like the "power supply" in your PC. In fact a PC power supply can give you 12v at 20a or more if you have a big one. (I use one for a bench supply) Watch the video. https://www.arrow.com/en/research-an...vs-transformer Converters also have only job: convert AC power to DC power. But the word “converter” is very generic, and you may often see it being used incorrectly. For example, if someone says “DC to AC converter,” that makes logical sense even though the correct terminology is “DC to AC inverter.” The same argument can be made by saying “DC to DC converters.” AC to DC converters are also regularly referred to as power supplies. Inverters ultimately have only one job – take in DC current and turn it into AC current. In theory, this is very easy, because a simple switch and some creative wiring can give you an alternating square wave operating at the frequency that you flip the switch. But in reality, square waves are very damaging to nearly all modern electronics that rely on AC power. So the real question is: How do you take AC power and turn it into something useable? The answer is, you can filter the square wave using precisely selected inductors and capacitors to create a sine wave, or at least something close to a sine wave. Oftentimes, inverters will also feature a transformer. This is done so that the AC voltage out can actually be different from the DC voltage in, depending on the number of coils on the primary and secondary winding. Maybe that will help clear it up. There is also a lot of arguing about nomenclature (converter, inverter, power supply etc) and I have no opinion. "Inverter" does imply an A/C output tho whether it is pure sine wave, modified sine wave or just a square wave. The rest of them seem to be the same thing. I disagree with one thing in particular. "Modern electronics" don't really "use" AC at all. (for the last decade or two) If it has a switching power supply the first thing that happens is the input is changed to DC at 1.4x the nominal line voltage (the peak to peak) and then it is chopped to a high frequency. (I bet they would work as well on 100-250vdc) This chopped DC is changed to the desired voltage with a small transformer. The input can be the noisiest, most unstable thing you throw at it and the supply cleans it right up. The noise filter on your PC, TV or whatever is to keep the noise IN, not out. |
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 22:12:26 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:59:59 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: On 9/28/2018 8:44 PM, wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 17:31:26 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 21:19:50 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:12:14 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 9:03 AMJohn H - show quoted text - Good to see you understood his whine. I'm still not sure what he means by 'same bluegrass festival on different sites'. Maybe because the music is similar at each festival? It gets to where the music takes second place to seeing and having fun with good friends. ....... At least you?re getting fresh air, exercise, and sunshine. Btw, I rode my Guzzi 400 mi this week...so far. Might get another 200 mi in before Monday. I think I'll take mine for a ride tomorrow. I finished installing the new converter, and now I'm tired. Climbing in and out of that thing is a bitch. Dc to AC is an Inverter. Agreed. My converter converts 120vac to 12vdc. The one I replaced in my Palomino camper did that also was called an inverter. https://www.diffen.com/difference/Converter_vs_Inverter Maybe they were just calling it the wrong name. Weigh it ;-) If it does not have a big transformer in it is an inverter. Inverters turn whatever you feed them into a high frequency square wave (20kz or more) them get the voltage they want with a tiny little transformer. That can be up or down. Switching power supply. Problem is, some converters are now based on switching power supplies. Most of the small, inexpensive, 3 stage battery chargers/maintainers use them. I'm having trouble distinguishing between converter and battery charger. === The two are sometimes interchangeably but that's not really correct. A true converter is designed to provide a steady DC voltage at a level that approximates a fully charged battery, about 12.6 to 13.2 volts. In effect, a converter is a DC power supply. A charger on the other hand, must supply a higher voltage initially, typically in the range of 14.2 to 14.6 volts, and then taper off as the battery becomes fully charged. well stated. |
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On 9/28/2018 8:59 PM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: On 9/28/2018 8:44 PM, wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 17:31:26 -0400, John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 21:19:50 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:08:34 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:12:14 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: 9:03 AMJohn H - show quoted text - Good to see you understood his whine. I'm still not sure what he means by 'same bluegrass festival on different sites'. Maybe because the music is similar at each festival? It gets to where the music takes second place to seeing and having fun with good friends. ....... At least you?re getting fresh air, exercise, and sunshine. Btw, I rode my Guzzi 400 mi this week...so far. Might get another 200 mi in before Monday. I think I'll take mine for a ride tomorrow. I finished installing the new converter, and now I'm tired. Climbing in and out of that thing is a bitch. Dc to AC is an Inverter. Agreed. My converter converts 120vac to 12vdc. The one I replaced in my Palomino camper did that also was called an inverter. https://www.diffen.com/difference/Converter_vs_Inverter Maybe they were just calling it the wrong name. Weigh it ;-) If it does not have a big transformer in it is an inverter. Inverters turn whatever you feed them into a high frequency square wave (20kz or more) them get the voltage they want with a tiny little transformer. That can be up or down. Switching power supply. Problem is, some converters are now based on switching power supplies. Most of the small, inexpensive, 3 stage battery chargers/maintainers use them. I'm having trouble distinguishing between converter and battery charger. For RV purposes, I think of it this way: If you are at a campsite or whatever and connected to shore power the converter is charging your house battery but is also supplying 12vdc to all your lights and other 12vdc devices. I suppose you could say they are really all running off the house battery and the converter is simultaneously charging it. But, you could remove the house battery and the lights will still work. |
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