On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:14:21 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/26/2018 12:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/26/18 11:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/26/2018 11:27 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/25/18 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

... have actually read the letter sent to Dianne Feinstein by
Christine Blasey (Ford)?Â* I had not until just recently.
Honestly don't know what to think about it.Â* For those who
have not read it, I have copied and pasted it below:



July 30, 2018

CONFIDENTIAL

Senator Dianne Feinstein

Dear Senator Feinstein:

I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current
nominee to the Supreme Court. As a constituent, I expect that you
will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity
to speak.

Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high
school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the
assistance of his close friend, Mark G. Judge.

Both were 1-2 years older than me and students at a local private
school. The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a
gathering that included me and 4 others.

Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a
bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the
door and played loud music, precluding any successful attempts to
yell for help.

Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who
periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh
tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state.

With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth, I feared he may inadvertently
kill me.

Â*From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to
Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop."

At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was
substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other.

After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune
moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the
bathroom door behind me.

Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other
persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom,
ran outside of the house and went home.

I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see
Judge once at the Potomac Village Safeway, where he was extremely
uncomfortable seeing me.

I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6,
I notified my local government representative to ask them how to
proceed with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss
sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and
compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything.

I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am
currently vacationing in the mid-Atlantic until August 7th and will
be in California after August 10th.

In confidence,

Christine Blasey

Pala Alto, California


I saw the full letter on line. The letter and the woman are credible.

I remember some years ago when Bill Cosby was being praised by
conservatives because he was speaking out against some of the
behaviors of black teenagers. When women started to come forward with
complaints about Cosby's unwanted sexual advances and worse, very few
people took these women seriously. As the complaints grew, there was
still a great reluctance among many to accept the facts that were
emerging about Cosby.

I have a feeling the complaints about Kavanaugh may grow. There is
little doubt remaining that he was a drunk and otherwise obnoxious
fella in high school and college, based upon contemporaneous reports
from classmates.

Once again, though, the Repubs are holding little more than a sham
hearing tomorrow and have no real interest in discovering the truth.
Limiting questioning to five minutes per Judiciary Committee member
says a lot about how not serious the Repubs are and statements that
the Committee is going to vote on Friday do not add to its
credibility. Hell, the Repub boys on that Committee don't even have
the balls to question the witnesses themselves.

Meanwhile, Avenatti has released a statement from a client claiming
that she witnessed efforts by Kavanaugh and his buddies to get girls
drunk so they could be gang-raped.


I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of Avenatti's mouth.
I've seen him interviewed numerous times and my personal "court of
public opinion" says he's a sleazy scumbag.Â* Sorry.

As for Ford, her letter and her account, I agree with you.Â* She seems
credible as to her account of what she said happened.Â* "Credible"
doesn't mean true or accurate though.Â* It just means a reasonable
person could be "able" to believe it or it is convincing.

Kavanaugh could very well have been a heavy drinker in his HS and
college days.Â* Or maybe he wasn't.

None of the allegations or 36 year old stories should condemn him
though.Â* If he drank and acted like an ass in those days the question
really is has that behavior continued in his adult life.Â* There is no
evidence of that.

The problem is that other than the conflicting stories from those who
knew him and Ford in those days, there is no hard evidence (to date)
that proves her claims.Â* In his case he cannot prove a negative.

Our judicial system is still based on innocence unless proven guilty.
The court of public opinion led by your party is currently reversing
that.

Given no definitive proof what if he *is* entirely innocent?Â* Is it
right to destroy his career by assuming he is guilty?

Please don't give me the FBI investigation thing.Â* That's been well
hashed out and is not going to happen.Â* Even 'ol Joe Biden said so
back in 1991.Â* All a FBI "investigation" would produce is the same
conflicting information that is already being splashed all over the
media.Â* The FBI just gathers info.Â* They don't draw a conclusion as to
any of it's truthfulness or credibility.


Avenatti has been a lot more truthful and accurate than Trump and his
minions of bull****ting thugs. The latest (Julie Swetnick) woman's sworn
declaration under penalty of perjury is just devastating. Keep in mind
that we are not involved in "the judicial system," or a proceeding.

Kavanaugh is after a lifetime appointment. There's no issue in delaying
that appointment while a serious investigation takes place. Well, other
than Trump wanting a friend on the high court who will protect him.


At this point I think the committee should subpoena (not invite)
everyone who has made public claims via attorneys or the media
as to Kavanaugh's drinking, girl chasing and persona while in
HS and college. That would include all women claiming sexual assault,
his college room mate who claims Kavanaugh was a heavy drinker and
prone to these activities and the guy (Judge) who supposedly
participated in the assault on Ford. I'd also subpoena anyone who
made public claims but then recanted their story. Finally, subpoena
two or three people who can explain and verify the cryptic meaning of
the "Renate Alumnius" comment in the yearbook.

The committee should put them all under oath but not before firmly
explaining to all of them what being under oath is and the ramifications
of lying.

That would satisfy me. If they all repeat their stories under oath,
then Kavanaugh's nomination should be **** canned.




Reasonable.

Remind them a woman just went to jail for lying in a similar
accusation.

On 9/26/2018 1:28 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:11:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/26/2018 12:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/26/18 11:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/26/2018 11:27 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/25/18 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

... have actually read the letter sent to Dianne Feinstein by
Christine Blasey (Ford)?Â* I had not until just recently.
Honestly don't know what to think about it.Â* For those who
have not read it, I have copied and pasted it below:



July 30, 2018

CONFIDENTIAL

Senator Dianne Feinstein

Dear Senator Feinstein:

I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current
nominee to the Supreme Court. As a constituent, I expect that you
will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity
to speak.

Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high
school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the
assistance of his close friend, Mark G. Judge.

Both were 1-2 years older than me and students at a local private
school. The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a
gathering that included me and 4 others.

Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a
bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the
door and played loud music, precluding any successful attempts to
yell for help.

Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who
periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh
tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state.

With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth, I feared he may inadvertently
kill me.

Â*From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to
Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop."

At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was
substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other.

After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune
moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the
bathroom door behind me.

Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other
persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom,
ran outside of the house and went home.

I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see
Judge once at the Potomac Village Safeway, where he was extremely
uncomfortable seeing me.

I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6,
I notified my local government representative to ask them how to
proceed with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss
sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and
compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything.

I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am
currently vacationing in the mid-Atlantic until August 7th and will
be in California after August 10th.

In confidence,

Christine Blasey

Pala Alto, California


I saw the full letter on line. The letter and the woman are credible.

I remember some years ago when Bill Cosby was being praised by
conservatives because he was speaking out against some of the
behaviors of black teenagers. When women started to come forward with
complaints about Cosby's unwanted sexual advances and worse, very few
people took these women seriously. As the complaints grew, there was
still a great reluctance among many to accept the facts that were
emerging about Cosby.

I have a feeling the complaints about Kavanaugh may grow. There is
little doubt remaining that he was a drunk and otherwise obnoxious
fella in high school and college, based upon contemporaneous reports
from classmates.

Once again, though, the Repubs are holding little more than a sham
hearing tomorrow and have no real interest in discovering the truth.
Limiting questioning to five minutes per Judiciary Committee member
says a lot about how not serious the Repubs are and statements that
the Committee is going to vote on Friday do not add to its
credibility. Hell, the Repub boys on that Committee don't even have
the balls to question the witnesses themselves.

Meanwhile, Avenatti has released a statement from a client claiming
that she witnessed efforts by Kavanaugh and his buddies to get girls
drunk so they could be gang-raped.


I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of Avenatti's mouth.
I've seen him interviewed numerous times and my personal "court of
public opinion" says he's a sleazy scumbag.Â* Sorry.

As for Ford, her letter and her account, I agree with you.Â* She seems
credible as to her account of what she said happened.Â* "Credible"
doesn't mean true or accurate though.Â* It just means a reasonable
person could be "able" to believe it or it is convincing.

Kavanaugh could very well have been a heavy drinker in his HS and
college days.Â* Or maybe he wasn't.

None of the allegations or 36 year old stories should condemn him
though.Â* If he drank and acted like an ass in those days the question
really is has that behavior continued in his adult life.Â* There is no
evidence of that.

The problem is that other than the conflicting stories from those who
knew him and Ford in those days, there is no hard evidence (to date)
that proves her claims.Â* In his case he cannot prove a negative.

Our judicial system is still based on innocence unless proven guilty.
The court of public opinion led by your party is currently reversing
that.

Given no definitive proof what if he *is* entirely innocent?Â* Is it
right to destroy his career by assuming he is guilty?

Please don't give me the FBI investigation thing.Â* That's been well
hashed out and is not going to happen.Â* Even 'ol Joe Biden said so
back in 1991.Â* All a FBI "investigation" would produce is the same
conflicting information that is already being splashed all over the
media.Â* The FBI just gathers info.Â* They don't draw a conclusion as to
any of it's truthfulness or credibility.


Avenatti has been a lot more truthful and accurate than Trump and his
minions of bull****ting thugs. The latest (Julie Swetnick) woman's sworn
declaration under penalty of perjury is just devastating. Keep in mind
that we are not involved in "the judicial system," or a proceeding.

Kavanaugh is after a lifetime appointment. There's no issue in delaying
that appointment while a serious investigation takes place. Well, other
than Trump wanting a friend on the high court who will protect him.


At this point I think the committee should subpoena (not invite)
everyone who has made public claims via attorneys or the media
as to Kavanaugh's drinking, girl chasing and persona while in
HS and college. That would include all women claiming sexual assault,
his college room mate who claims Kavanaugh was a heavy drinker and
prone to these activities and the guy (Judge) who supposedly
participated in the assault on Ford. I'd also subpoena anyone who
made public claims but then recanted their story. Finally, subpoena
two or three people who can explain and verify the cryptic meaning of
the "Renate Alumnius" comment in the yearbook.

The committee should put them all under oath but not before firmly
explaining to all of them what being under oath is and the ramifications
of lying.

That would satisfy me. If they all repeat their stories under oath,
then Kavanaugh's nomination should be **** canned.


That would imply that Democrats wouldn't lie under oath. Based on the evidence right here, I
wouldn't buy that.


No way of knowing who of the witnesses testifying under oath are
Democrats or Republicans. Besides, I don't think *all* Democrats
are liars, especially those who are not politicians. Same with
Republicans.

Point is, testifying under oath under penalty of perjury is about the
best our legal system has to offer without any hard evidence.

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:44:43 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/26/2018 1:28 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:11:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/26/2018 12:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/26/18 11:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/26/2018 11:27 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/25/18 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

... have actually read the letter sent to Dianne Feinstein by
Christine Blasey (Ford)?* I had not until just recently.
Honestly don't know what to think about it.* For those who
have not read it, I have copied and pasted it below:



July 30, 2018

CONFIDENTIAL

Senator Dianne Feinstein

Dear Senator Feinstein:

I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current
nominee to the Supreme Court. As a constituent, I expect that you
will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity
to speak.

Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high
school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the
assistance of his close friend, Mark G. Judge.

Both were 1-2 years older than me and students at a local private
school. The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a
gathering that included me and 4 others.

Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a
bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the
door and played loud music, precluding any successful attempts to
yell for help.

Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who
periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh
tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state.

With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth, I feared he may inadvertently
kill me.

*From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to
Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop."

At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was
substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other.

After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune
moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the
bathroom door behind me.

Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other
persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom,
ran outside of the house and went home.

I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see
Judge once at the Potomac Village Safeway, where he was extremely
uncomfortable seeing me.

I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6,
I notified my local government representative to ask them how to
proceed with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss
sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and
compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything.

I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am
currently vacationing in the mid-Atlantic until August 7th and will
be in California after August 10th.

In confidence,

Christine Blasey

Pala Alto, California


I saw the full letter on line. The letter and the woman are credible.

I remember some years ago when Bill Cosby was being praised by
conservatives because he was speaking out against some of the
behaviors of black teenagers. When women started to come forward with
complaints about Cosby's unwanted sexual advances and worse, very few
people took these women seriously. As the complaints grew, there was
still a great reluctance among many to accept the facts that were
emerging about Cosby.

I have a feeling the complaints about Kavanaugh may grow. There is
little doubt remaining that he was a drunk and otherwise obnoxious
fella in high school and college, based upon contemporaneous reports
from classmates.

Once again, though, the Repubs are holding little more than a sham
hearing tomorrow and have no real interest in discovering the truth.
Limiting questioning to five minutes per Judiciary Committee member
says a lot about how not serious the Repubs are and statements that
the Committee is going to vote on Friday do not add to its
credibility. Hell, the Repub boys on that Committee don't even have
the balls to question the witnesses themselves.

Meanwhile, Avenatti has released a statement from a client claiming
that she witnessed efforts by Kavanaugh and his buddies to get girls
drunk so they could be gang-raped.


I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of Avenatti's mouth.
I've seen him interviewed numerous times and my personal "court of
public opinion" says he's a sleazy scumbag.* Sorry.

As for Ford, her letter and her account, I agree with you.* She seems
credible as to her account of what she said happened.* "Credible"
doesn't mean true or accurate though.* It just means a reasonable
person could be "able" to believe it or it is convincing.

Kavanaugh could very well have been a heavy drinker in his HS and
college days.* Or maybe he wasn't.

None of the allegations or 36 year old stories should condemn him
though.* If he drank and acted like an ass in those days the question
really is has that behavior continued in his adult life.* There is no
evidence of that.

The problem is that other than the conflicting stories from those who
knew him and Ford in those days, there is no hard evidence (to date)
that proves her claims.* In his case he cannot prove a negative.

Our judicial system is still based on innocence unless proven guilty.
The court of public opinion led by your party is currently reversing
that.

Given no definitive proof what if he *is* entirely innocent?* Is it
right to destroy his career by assuming he is guilty?

Please don't give me the FBI investigation thing.* That's been well
hashed out and is not going to happen.* Even 'ol Joe Biden said so
back in 1991.* All a FBI "investigation" would produce is the same
conflicting information that is already being splashed all over the
media.* The FBI just gathers info.* They don't draw a conclusion as to
any of it's truthfulness or credibility.


Avenatti has been a lot more truthful and accurate than Trump and his
minions of bull****ting thugs. The latest (Julie Swetnick) woman's sworn
declaration under penalty of perjury is just devastating. Keep in mind
that we are not involved in "the judicial system," or a proceeding.

Kavanaugh is after a lifetime appointment. There's no issue in delaying
that appointment while a serious investigation takes place. Well, other
than Trump wanting a friend on the high court who will protect him.


At this point I think the committee should subpoena (not invite)
everyone who has made public claims via attorneys or the media
as to Kavanaugh's drinking, girl chasing and persona while in
HS and college. That would include all women claiming sexual assault,
his college room mate who claims Kavanaugh was a heavy drinker and
prone to these activities and the guy (Judge) who supposedly
participated in the assault on Ford. I'd also subpoena anyone who
made public claims but then recanted their story. Finally, subpoena
two or three people who can explain and verify the cryptic meaning of
the "Renate Alumnius" comment in the yearbook.

The committee should put them all under oath but not before firmly
explaining to all of them what being under oath is and the ramifications
of lying.

That would satisfy me. If they all repeat their stories under oath,
then Kavanaugh's nomination should be **** canned.


That would imply that Democrats wouldn't lie under oath. Based on the evidence right here, I
wouldn't buy that.


No way of knowing who of the witnesses testifying under oath are
Democrats or Republicans. Besides, I don't think *all* Democrats
are liars, especially those who are not politicians. Same with
Republicans.

Point is, testifying under oath under penalty of perjury is about the
best our legal system has to offer without any hard evidence.


OK, I'll admit that there are probably *some* Democrats running around who are not liars.

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 16:13:29 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:44:43 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/26/2018 1:28 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:11:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/26/2018 12:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/26/18 11:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/26/2018 11:27 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/25/18 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

... have actually read the letter sent to Dianne Feinstein by
Christine Blasey (Ford)?* I had not until just recently.
Honestly don't know what to think about it.* For those who
have not read it, I have copied and pasted it below:



July 30, 2018

CONFIDENTIAL

Senator Dianne Feinstein

Dear Senator Feinstein:

I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current
nominee to the Supreme Court. As a constituent, I expect that you
will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity
to speak.

Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high
school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the
assistance of his close friend, Mark G. Judge.

Both were 1-2 years older than me and students at a local private
school. The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a
gathering that included me and 4 others.

Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a
bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the
door and played loud music, precluding any successful attempts to
yell for help.

Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who
periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh
tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state.

With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth, I feared he may inadvertently
kill me.

*From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to
Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop."

At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was
substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other.

After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune
moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the
bathroom door behind me.

Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other
persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom,
ran outside of the house and went home.

I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see
Judge once at the Potomac Village Safeway, where he was extremely
uncomfortable seeing me.

I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6,
I notified my local government representative to ask them how to
proceed with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss
sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and
compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything.

I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am
currently vacationing in the mid-Atlantic until August 7th and will
be in California after August 10th.

In confidence,

Christine Blasey

Pala Alto, California


I saw the full letter on line. The letter and the woman are credible.

I remember some years ago when Bill Cosby was being praised by
conservatives because he was speaking out against some of the
behaviors of black teenagers. When women started to come forward with
complaints about Cosby's unwanted sexual advances and worse, very few
people took these women seriously. As the complaints grew, there was
still a great reluctance among many to accept the facts that were
emerging about Cosby.

I have a feeling the complaints about Kavanaugh may grow. There is
little doubt remaining that he was a drunk and otherwise obnoxious
fella in high school and college, based upon contemporaneous reports
from classmates.

Once again, though, the Repubs are holding little more than a sham
hearing tomorrow and have no real interest in discovering the truth.
Limiting questioning to five minutes per Judiciary Committee member
says a lot about how not serious the Repubs are and statements that
the Committee is going to vote on Friday do not add to its
credibility. Hell, the Repub boys on that Committee don't even have
the balls to question the witnesses themselves.

Meanwhile, Avenatti has released a statement from a client claiming
that she witnessed efforts by Kavanaugh and his buddies to get girls
drunk so they could be gang-raped.


I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of Avenatti's mouth.
I've seen him interviewed numerous times and my personal "court of
public opinion" says he's a sleazy scumbag.* Sorry.

As for Ford, her letter and her account, I agree with you.* She seems
credible as to her account of what she said happened.* "Credible"
doesn't mean true or accurate though.* It just means a reasonable
person could be "able" to believe it or it is convincing.

Kavanaugh could very well have been a heavy drinker in his HS and
college days.* Or maybe he wasn't.

None of the allegations or 36 year old stories should condemn him
though.* If he drank and acted like an ass in those days the question
really is has that behavior continued in his adult life.* There is no
evidence of that.

The problem is that other than the conflicting stories from those who
knew him and Ford in those days, there is no hard evidence (to date)
that proves her claims.* In his case he cannot prove a negative.

Our judicial system is still based on innocence unless proven guilty.
The court of public opinion led by your party is currently reversing
that.

Given no definitive proof what if he *is* entirely innocent?* Is it
right to destroy his career by assuming he is guilty?

Please don't give me the FBI investigation thing.* That's been well
hashed out and is not going to happen.* Even 'ol Joe Biden said so
back in 1991.* All a FBI "investigation" would produce is the same
conflicting information that is already being splashed all over the
media.* The FBI just gathers info.* They don't draw a conclusion as to
any of it's truthfulness or credibility.


Avenatti has been a lot more truthful and accurate than Trump and his
minions of bull****ting thugs. The latest (Julie Swetnick) woman's sworn
declaration under penalty of perjury is just devastating. Keep in mind
that we are not involved in "the judicial system," or a proceeding.

Kavanaugh is after a lifetime appointment. There's no issue in delaying
that appointment while a serious investigation takes place. Well, other
than Trump wanting a friend on the high court who will protect him.


At this point I think the committee should subpoena (not invite)
everyone who has made public claims via attorneys or the media
as to Kavanaugh's drinking, girl chasing and persona while in
HS and college. That would include all women claiming sexual assault,
his college room mate who claims Kavanaugh was a heavy drinker and
prone to these activities and the guy (Judge) who supposedly
participated in the assault on Ford. I'd also subpoena anyone who
made public claims but then recanted their story. Finally, subpoena
two or three people who can explain and verify the cryptic meaning of
the "Renate Alumnius" comment in the yearbook.

The committee should put them all under oath but not before firmly
explaining to all of them what being under oath is and the ramifications
of lying.

That would satisfy me. If they all repeat their stories under oath,
then Kavanaugh's nomination should be **** canned.


That would imply that Democrats wouldn't lie under oath. Based on the evidence right here, I
wouldn't buy that.


No way of knowing who of the witnesses testifying under oath are
Democrats or Republicans. Besides, I don't think *all* Democrats
are liars, especially those who are not politicians. Same with
Republicans.

Point is, testifying under oath under penalty of perjury is about the
best our legal system has to offer without any hard evidence.


OK, I'll admit that there are probably *some* Democrats running around who are not liars.

===

We used to have a few in this group but they seem to be gone fo the
most part.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 16:13:29 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:44:43 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/26/2018 1:28 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:11:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/26/2018 12:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/26/18 11:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/26/2018 11:27 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/25/18 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

... have actually read the letter sent to Dianne Feinstein by
Christine Blasey (Ford)?Â* I had not until just recently.
Honestly don't know what to think about it.Â* For those who
have not read it, I have copied and pasted it below:



July 30, 2018

CONFIDENTIAL

Senator Dianne Feinstein

Dear Senator Feinstein:

I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current
nominee to the Supreme Court. As a constituent, I expect that you
will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity
to speak.

Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high
school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the
assistance of his close friend, Mark G. Judge.

Both were 1-2 years older than me and students at a local private
school. The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a
gathering that included me and 4 others.

Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a
bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the
door and played loud music, precluding any successful attempts to
yell for help.

Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who
periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh
tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state.

With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth, I feared he may inadvertently
kill me.

Â*From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to
Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop."

At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was
substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other.

After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune
moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the
bathroom door behind me.

Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other
persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom,
ran outside of the house and went home.

I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see
Judge once at the Potomac Village Safeway, where he was extremely
uncomfortable seeing me.

I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6,
I notified my local government representative to ask them how to
proceed with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss
sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and
compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything.

I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am
currently vacationing in the mid-Atlantic until August 7th and will
be in California after August 10th.

In confidence,

Christine Blasey

Pala Alto, California


I saw the full letter on line. The letter and the woman are credible.

I remember some years ago when Bill Cosby was being praised by
conservatives because he was speaking out against some of the
behaviors of black teenagers. When women started to come forward with
complaints about Cosby's unwanted sexual advances and worse, very few
people took these women seriously. As the complaints grew, there was
still a great reluctance among many to accept the facts that were
emerging about Cosby.

I have a feeling the complaints about Kavanaugh may grow. There is
little doubt remaining that he was a drunk and otherwise obnoxious
fella in high school and college, based upon contemporaneous reports
from classmates.

Once again, though, the Repubs are holding little more than a sham
hearing tomorrow and have no real interest in discovering the truth.
Limiting questioning to five minutes per Judiciary Committee member
says a lot about how not serious the Repubs are and statements that
the Committee is going to vote on Friday do not add to its
credibility. Hell, the Repub boys on that Committee don't even have
the balls to question the witnesses themselves.

Meanwhile, Avenatti has released a statement from a client claiming
that she witnessed efforts by Kavanaugh and his buddies to get girls
drunk so they could be gang-raped.


I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of Avenatti's mouth.
I've seen him interviewed numerous times and my personal "court of
public opinion" says he's a sleazy scumbag.Â* Sorry.

As for Ford, her letter and her account, I agree with you.Â* She seems
credible as to her account of what she said happened.Â* "Credible"
doesn't mean true or accurate though.Â* It just means a reasonable
person could be "able" to believe it or it is convincing.

Kavanaugh could very well have been a heavy drinker in his HS and
college days.Â* Or maybe he wasn't.

None of the allegations or 36 year old stories should condemn him
though.Â* If he drank and acted like an ass in those days the question
really is has that behavior continued in his adult life.Â* There is no
evidence of that.

The problem is that other than the conflicting stories from those who
knew him and Ford in those days, there is no hard evidence (to date)
that proves her claims.Â* In his case he cannot prove a negative.

Our judicial system is still based on innocence unless proven guilty.
The court of public opinion led by your party is currently reversing
that.

Given no definitive proof what if he *is* entirely innocent?Â* Is it
right to destroy his career by assuming he is guilty?

Please don't give me the FBI investigation thing.Â* That's been well
hashed out and is not going to happen.Â* Even 'ol Joe Biden said so
back in 1991.Â* All a FBI "investigation" would produce is the same
conflicting information that is already being splashed all over the
media.Â* The FBI just gathers info.Â* They don't draw a conclusion as to
any of it's truthfulness or credibility.


Avenatti has been a lot more truthful and accurate than Trump and his
minions of bull****ting thugs. The latest (Julie Swetnick) woman's sworn
declaration under penalty of perjury is just devastating. Keep in mind
that we are not involved in "the judicial system," or a proceeding.

Kavanaugh is after a lifetime appointment. There's no issue in delaying
that appointment while a serious investigation takes place. Well, other
than Trump wanting a friend on the high court who will protect him.


At this point I think the committee should subpoena (not invite)
everyone who has made public claims via attorneys or the media
as to Kavanaugh's drinking, girl chasing and persona while in
HS and college. That would include all women claiming sexual assault,
his college room mate who claims Kavanaugh was a heavy drinker and
prone to these activities and the guy (Judge) who supposedly
participated in the assault on Ford. I'd also subpoena anyone who
made public claims but then recanted their story. Finally, subpoena
two or three people who can explain and verify the cryptic meaning of
the "Renate Alumnius" comment in the yearbook.

The committee should put them all under oath but not before firmly
explaining to all of them what being under oath is and the ramifications
of lying.

That would satisfy me. If they all repeat their stories under oath,
then Kavanaugh's nomination should be **** canned.


That would imply that Democrats wouldn't lie under oath. Based on the
evidence right here, I
wouldn't buy that.


No way of knowing who of the witnesses testifying under oath are
Democrats or Republicans. Besides, I don't think *all* Democrats
are liars, especially those who are not politicians. Same with
Republicans.

Point is, testifying under oath under penalty of perjury is about the
best our legal system has to offer without any hard evidence.


OK, I'll admit that there are probably *some* Democrats running around who are not liars.

===

We used to have a few in this group but they seem to be gone fo the
most part.


Not easy to tolerate the mindlessness and stench of you right-wingers.

--
Posted with my iPhone 8+.

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 17:56:01 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 16:13:29 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:44:43 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/26/2018 1:28 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:11:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/26/2018 12:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/26/18 11:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/26/2018 11:27 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/25/18 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

... have actually read the letter sent to Dianne Feinstein by
Christine Blasey (Ford)?* I had not until just recently.
Honestly don't know what to think about it.* For those who
have not read it, I have copied and pasted it below:



July 30, 2018

CONFIDENTIAL

Senator Dianne Feinstein

Dear Senator Feinstein:

I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current
nominee to the Supreme Court. As a constituent, I expect that you
will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity
to speak.

Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high
school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the
assistance of his close friend, Mark G. Judge.

Both were 1-2 years older than me and students at a local private
school. The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a
gathering that included me and 4 others.

Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a
bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the
door and played loud music, precluding any successful attempts to
yell for help.

Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who
periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh
tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state.

With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth, I feared he may inadvertently
kill me.

*From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to
Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop."

At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was
substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other.

After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune
moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the
bathroom door behind me.

Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other
persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom,
ran outside of the house and went home.

I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see
Judge once at the Potomac Village Safeway, where he was extremely
uncomfortable seeing me.

I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6,
I notified my local government representative to ask them how to
proceed with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss
sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and
compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything.

I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am
currently vacationing in the mid-Atlantic until August 7th and will
be in California after August 10th.

In confidence,

Christine Blasey

Pala Alto, California


I saw the full letter on line. The letter and the woman are credible.

I remember some years ago when Bill Cosby was being praised by
conservatives because he was speaking out against some of the
behaviors of black teenagers. When women started to come forward with
complaints about Cosby's unwanted sexual advances and worse, very few
people took these women seriously. As the complaints grew, there was
still a great reluctance among many to accept the facts that were
emerging about Cosby.

I have a feeling the complaints about Kavanaugh may grow. There is
little doubt remaining that he was a drunk and otherwise obnoxious
fella in high school and college, based upon contemporaneous reports
from classmates.

Once again, though, the Repubs are holding little more than a sham
hearing tomorrow and have no real interest in discovering the truth.
Limiting questioning to five minutes per Judiciary Committee member
says a lot about how not serious the Repubs are and statements that
the Committee is going to vote on Friday do not add to its
credibility. Hell, the Repub boys on that Committee don't even have
the balls to question the witnesses themselves.

Meanwhile, Avenatti has released a statement from a client claiming
that she witnessed efforts by Kavanaugh and his buddies to get girls
drunk so they could be gang-raped.


I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of Avenatti's mouth.
I've seen him interviewed numerous times and my personal "court of
public opinion" says he's a sleazy scumbag.* Sorry.

As for Ford, her letter and her account, I agree with you.* She seems
credible as to her account of what she said happened.* "Credible"
doesn't mean true or accurate though.* It just means a reasonable
person could be "able" to believe it or it is convincing.

Kavanaugh could very well have been a heavy drinker in his HS and
college days.* Or maybe he wasn't.

None of the allegations or 36 year old stories should condemn him
though.* If he drank and acted like an ass in those days the question
really is has that behavior continued in his adult life.* There is no
evidence of that.

The problem is that other than the conflicting stories from those who
knew him and Ford in those days, there is no hard evidence (to date)
that proves her claims.* In his case he cannot prove a negative.

Our judicial system is still based on innocence unless proven guilty.
The court of public opinion led by your party is currently reversing
that.

Given no definitive proof what if he *is* entirely innocent?* Is it
right to destroy his career by assuming he is guilty?

Please don't give me the FBI investigation thing.* That's been well
hashed out and is not going to happen.* Even 'ol Joe Biden said so
back in 1991.* All a FBI "investigation" would produce is the same
conflicting information that is already being splashed all over the
media.* The FBI just gathers info.* They don't draw a conclusion as to
any of it's truthfulness or credibility.


Avenatti has been a lot more truthful and accurate than Trump and his
minions of bull****ting thugs. The latest (Julie Swetnick) woman's sworn
declaration under penalty of perjury is just devastating. Keep in mind
that we are not involved in "the judicial system," or a proceeding.

Kavanaugh is after a lifetime appointment. There's no issue in delaying
that appointment while a serious investigation takes place. Well, other
than Trump wanting a friend on the high court who will protect him.


At this point I think the committee should subpoena (not invite)
everyone who has made public claims via attorneys or the media
as to Kavanaugh's drinking, girl chasing and persona while in
HS and college. That would include all women claiming sexual assault,
his college room mate who claims Kavanaugh was a heavy drinker and
prone to these activities and the guy (Judge) who supposedly
participated in the assault on Ford. I'd also subpoena anyone who
made public claims but then recanted their story. Finally, subpoena
two or three people who can explain and verify the cryptic meaning of
the "Renate Alumnius" comment in the yearbook.

The committee should put them all under oath but not before firmly
explaining to all of them what being under oath is and the ramifications
of lying.

That would satisfy me. If they all repeat their stories under oath,
then Kavanaugh's nomination should be **** canned.


That would imply that Democrats wouldn't lie under oath. Based on the
evidence right here, I
wouldn't buy that.


No way of knowing who of the witnesses testifying under oath are
Democrats or Republicans. Besides, I don't think *all* Democrats
are liars, especially those who are not politicians. Same with
Republicans.

Point is, testifying under oath under penalty of perjury is about the
best our legal system has to offer without any hard evidence.


OK, I'll admit that there are probably *some* Democrats running around who are not liars.

===

We used to have a few in this group but they seem to be gone fo the
most part.


Not easy to tolerate the mindlessness and stench of you right-wingers.

===

I don't consider myself to be a right winger although I'll concede to
being a fiscal conservative and constitutionalist. If that bothers
you so much, I'd suggest that you be careful to not let the door hit
you on the way out.

PS, if you're so concerned about the government, consider clearing up
your tax mess and start paying your fair share.

Keyser Söze Wrote in message:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 16:13:29 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:44:43 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/26/2018 1:28 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:11:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/26/2018 12:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/26/18 11:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/26/2018 11:27 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/25/18 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

... have actually read the letter sent to Dianne Feinstein by
Christine Blasey (Ford)? I had not until just recently.
Honestly don't know what to think about it. For those who
have not read it, I have copied and pasted it below:



July 30, 2018

CONFIDENTIAL

Senator Dianne Feinstein

Dear Senator Feinstein:

I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current
nominee to the Supreme Court. As a constituent, I expect that you
will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity
to speak.

Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high
school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the
assistance of his close friend, Mark G. Judge.

Both were 1-2 years older than me and students at a local private
school. The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a
gathering that included me and 4 others.

Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a
bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the
door and played loud music, precluding any successful attempts to
yell for help.

Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who
periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh
tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state.

With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth, I feared he may inadvertently
kill me.

From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to
Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop."

At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was
substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other.

After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune
moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the
bathroom door behind me.

Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other
persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom,
ran outside of the house and went home.

I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see
Judge once at the Potomac Village Safeway, where he was extremely
uncomfortable seeing me.

I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6,
I notified my local government representative to ask them how to
proceed with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss
sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and
compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything.

I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am
currently vacationing in the mid-Atlantic until August 7th and will
be in California after August 10th.

In confidence,

Christine Blasey

Pala Alto, California


I saw the full letter on line. The letter and the woman are credible.

I remember some years ago when Bill Cosby was being praised by
conservatives because he was speaking out against some of the
behaviors of black teenagers. When women started to come forward with
complaints about Cosby's unwanted sexual advances and worse, very few
people took these women seriously. As the complaints grew, there was
still a great reluctance among many to accept the facts that were
emerging about Cosby.

I have a feeling the complaints about Kavanaugh may grow. There is
little doubt remaining that he was a drunk and otherwise obnoxious
fella in high school and college, based upon contemporaneous reports
from classmates.

Once again, though, the Repubs are holding little more than a sham
hearing tomorrow and have no real interest in discovering the truth.
Limiting questioning to five minutes per Judiciary Committee member
says a lot about how not serious the Repubs are and statements that
the Committee is going to vote on Friday do not add to its
credibility. Hell, the Repub boys on that Committee don't even have
the balls to question the witnesses themselves.

Meanwhile, Avenatti has released a statement from a client claiming
that she witnessed efforts by Kavanaugh and his buddies to get girls
drunk so they could be gang-raped.


I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of Avenatti's mouth.
I've seen him interviewed numerous times and my personal "court of
public opinion" says he's a sleazy scumbag. Sorry.

As for Ford, her letter and her account, I agree with you. She seems
credible as to her account of what she said happened. "Credible"
doesn't mean true or accurate though. It just means a reasonable
person could be "able" to believe it or it is convincing.

Kavanaugh could very well have been a heavy drinker in his HS and
college days. Or maybe he wasn't.

None of the allegations or 36 year old stories should condemn him
though. If he drank and acted like an ass in those days the question
really is has that behavior continued in his adult life. There is no
evidence of that.

The problem is that other than the conflicting stories from those who
knew him and Ford in those days, there is no hard evidence (to date)
that proves her claims. In his case he cannot prove a negative.

Our judicial system is still based on innocence unless proven guilty.
The court of public opinion led by your party is currently reversing
that.

Given no definitive proof what if he *is* entirely innocent? Is it
right to destroy his career by assuming he is guilty?

Please don't give me the FBI investigation thing. That's been well
hashed out and is not going to happen. Even 'ol Joe Biden said so
back in 1991. All a FBI "investigation" would produce is the same
conflicting information that is already being splashed all over the
media. The FBI just gathers info. They don't draw a conclusion as to
any of it's truthfulness or credibility.


Avenatti has been a lot more truthful and accurate than Trump and his
minions of bull****ting thugs. The latest (Julie Swetnick) woman's sworn
declaration under penalty of perjury is just devastating. Keep in mind
that we are not involved in "the judicial system," or a proceeding.

Kavanaugh is after a lifetime appointment. There's no issue in delaying
that appointment while a serious investigation takes place. Well, other
than Trump wanting a friend on the high court who will protect him.


At this point I think the committee should subpoena (not invite)
everyone who has made public claims via attorneys or the media
as to Kavanaugh's drinking, girl chasing and persona while in
HS and college. That would include all women claiming sexual assault,
his college room mate who claims Kavanaugh was a heavy drinker and
prone to these activities and the guy (Judge) who supposedly
participated in the assault on Ford. I'd also subpoena anyone who
made public claims but then recanted their story. Finally, subpoena
two or three people who can explain and verify the cryptic meaning of
the "Renate Alumnius" comment in the yearbook.

The committee should put them all under oath but not before firmly
explaining to all of them what being under oath is and the ramifications
of lying.

That would satisfy me. If they all repeat their stories under oath,
then Kavanaugh's nomination should be **** canned.


That would imply that Democrats wouldn't lie under oath. Based on the
evidence right here, I
wouldn't buy that.


No way of knowing who of the witnesses testifying under oath are
Democrats or Republicans. Besides, I don't think *all* Democrats
are liars, especially those who are not politicians. Same with
Republicans.

Point is, testifying under oath under penalty of perjury is about the
best our legal system has to offer without any hard evidence.


OK, I'll admit that there are probably *some* Democrats running around who are not liars.

===

We used to have a few in this group but they seem to be gone fo the
most part.


Not easy to tolerate the mindlessness and stench of you right-wingers.

--
Posted with my iPhone 8+.


If I were you I wouldn't tolerate it at all. Do what you need to
do. Us tax paying right wingers will do fine when you leave with
your tail between your legs.
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On 9/26/18 6:57 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Söze Wrote in message:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 16:13:29 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:44:43 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/26/2018 1:28 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:11:35 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/26/2018 12:36 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/26/18 11:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/26/2018 11:27 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 9/25/18 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

... have actually read the letter sent to Dianne Feinstein by
Christine Blasey (Ford)? I had not until just recently.
Honestly don't know what to think about it. For those who
have not read it, I have copied and pasted it below:



July 30, 2018

CONFIDENTIAL

Senator Dianne Feinstein

Dear Senator Feinstein:

I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current
nominee to the Supreme Court. As a constituent, I expect that you
will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity
to speak.

Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high
school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the
assistance of his close friend, Mark G. Judge.

Both were 1-2 years older than me and students at a local private
school. The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a
gathering that included me and 4 others.

Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a
bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the
door and played loud music, precluding any successful attempts to
yell for help.

Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who
periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh
tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state.

With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth, I feared he may inadvertently
kill me.

From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to
Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop."

At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was
substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other.

After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune
moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the
bathroom door behind me.

Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other
persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom,
ran outside of the house and went home.

I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see
Judge once at the Potomac Village Safeway, where he was extremely
uncomfortable seeing me.

I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6,
I notified my local government representative to ask them how to
proceed with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss
sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and
compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything.

I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am
currently vacationing in the mid-Atlantic until August 7th and will
be in California after August 10th.

In confidence,

Christine Blasey

Pala Alto, California


I saw the full letter on line. The letter and the woman are credible.

I remember some years ago when Bill Cosby was being praised by
conservatives because he was speaking out against some of the
behaviors of black teenagers. When women started to come forward with
complaints about Cosby's unwanted sexual advances and worse, very few
people took these women seriously. As the complaints grew, there was
still a great reluctance among many to accept the facts that were
emerging about Cosby.

I have a feeling the complaints about Kavanaugh may grow. There is
little doubt remaining that he was a drunk and otherwise obnoxious
fella in high school and college, based upon contemporaneous reports
from classmates.

Once again, though, the Repubs are holding little more than a sham
hearing tomorrow and have no real interest in discovering the truth.
Limiting questioning to five minutes per Judiciary Committee member
says a lot about how not serious the Repubs are and statements that
the Committee is going to vote on Friday do not add to its
credibility. Hell, the Repub boys on that Committee don't even have
the balls to question the witnesses themselves.

Meanwhile, Avenatti has released a statement from a client claiming
that she witnessed efforts by Kavanaugh and his buddies to get girls
drunk so they could be gang-raped.


I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of Avenatti's mouth.
I've seen him interviewed numerous times and my personal "court of
public opinion" says he's a sleazy scumbag. Sorry.

As for Ford, her letter and her account, I agree with you. She seems
credible as to her account of what she said happened. "Credible"
doesn't mean true or accurate though. It just means a reasonable
person could be "able" to believe it or it is convincing.

Kavanaugh could very well have been a heavy drinker in his HS and
college days. Or maybe he wasn't.

None of the allegations or 36 year old stories should condemn him
though. If he drank and acted like an ass in those days the question
really is has that behavior continued in his adult life. There is no
evidence of that.

The problem is that other than the conflicting stories from those who
knew him and Ford in those days, there is no hard evidence (to date)
that proves her claims. In his case he cannot prove a negative.

Our judicial system is still based on innocence unless proven guilty.
The court of public opinion led by your party is currently reversing
that.

Given no definitive proof what if he *is* entirely innocent? Is it
right to destroy his career by assuming he is guilty?

Please don't give me the FBI investigation thing. That's been well
hashed out and is not going to happen. Even 'ol Joe Biden said so
back in 1991. All a FBI "investigation" would produce is the same
conflicting information that is already being splashed all over the
media. The FBI just gathers info. They don't draw a conclusion as to
any of it's truthfulness or credibility.


Avenatti has been a lot more truthful and accurate than Trump and his
minions of bull****ting thugs. The latest (Julie Swetnick) woman's sworn
declaration under penalty of perjury is just devastating. Keep in mind
that we are not involved in "the judicial system," or a proceeding.

Kavanaugh is after a lifetime appointment. There's no issue in delaying
that appointment while a serious investigation takes place. Well, other
than Trump wanting a friend on the high court who will protect him.


At this point I think the committee should subpoena (not invite)
everyone who has made public claims via attorneys or the media
as to Kavanaugh's drinking, girl chasing and persona while in
HS and college. That would include all women claiming sexual assault,
his college room mate who claims Kavanaugh was a heavy drinker and
prone to these activities and the guy (Judge) who supposedly
participated in the assault on Ford. I'd also subpoena anyone who
made public claims but then recanted their story. Finally, subpoena
two or three people who can explain and verify the cryptic meaning of
the "Renate Alumnius" comment in the yearbook.

The committee should put them all under oath but not before firmly
explaining to all of them what being under oath is and the ramifications
of lying.

That would satisfy me. If they all repeat their stories under oath,
then Kavanaugh's nomination should be **** canned.


That would imply that Democrats wouldn't lie under oath. Based on the
evidence right here, I
wouldn't buy that.


No way of knowing who of the witnesses testifying under oath are
Democrats or Republicans. Besides, I don't think *all* Democrats
are liars, especially those who are not politicians. Same with
Republicans.

Point is, testifying under oath under penalty of perjury is about the
best our legal system has to offer without any hard evidence.


OK, I'll admit that there are probably *some* Democrats running around who are not liars.

===

We used to have a few in this group but they seem to be gone fo the
most part.


Not easy to tolerate the mindlessness and stench of you right-wingers.

--
Posted with my iPhone 8+.


If I were you I wouldn't tolerate it at all. Do what you need to
do. Us tax paying right wingers will do fine when you leave with
your tail between your legs.


I was referring to those who left. Your right-wing turds don't bother me.

On 9/26/18 2:13 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 11:27:39 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 9/25/18 10:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

... have actually read the letter sent to Dianne Feinstein by
Christine Blasey (Ford)?Â* I had not until just recently.
Honestly don't know what to think about it.Â* For those who
have not read it, I have copied and pasted it below:



July 30, 2018

CONFIDENTIAL

Senator Dianne Feinstein

Dear Senator Feinstein:

I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current nominee
to the Supreme Court. As a constituent, I expect that you will maintain
this as confidential until we have further opportunity to speak.

Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high school
in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the assistance of his
close friend, Mark G. Judge.

Both were 1-2 years older than me and students at a local private
school. The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a
gathering that included me and 4 others.

Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a
bathroom up a short stairwell from the living room. They locked the door
and played loud music, precluding any successful attempts to yell for help.

Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with Judge, who periodically
jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh tried to disrobe
me in their highly inebriated state.

With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth, I feared he may inadvertently kill me.

From across the room, a very drunken Judge said mixed words to
Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop."

At one point when Judge jumped onto the bed, the weight on me was
substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other.

After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune
moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the
bathroom door behind me.

Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other persons at
the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom, ran outside of
the house and went home.

I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see Judge
once at the Potomac Village Safeway, where he was extremely
uncomfortable seeing me.

I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6, I
notified my local government representative to ask them how to proceed
with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss sexual assault
and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and compelled as a citizen
about the idea of not saying anything.

I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am
currently vacationing in the mid-Atlantic until August 7th and will be
in California after August 10th.

In confidence,

Christine Blasey

Pala Alto, California


I saw the full letter on line. The letter and the woman are credible.

I remember some years ago when Bill Cosby was being praised by
conservatives because he was speaking out against some of the behaviors
of black teenagers. When women started to come forward with complaints
about Cosby's unwanted sexual advances and worse, very few people took
these women seriously. As the complaints grew, there was still a great
reluctance among many to accept the facts that were emerging about Cosby.

I have a feeling the complaints about Kavanaugh may grow. There is
little doubt remaining that he was a drunk and otherwise obnoxious fella
in high school and college, based upon contemporaneous reports from
classmates.

Once again, though, the Repubs are holding little more than a sham
hearing tomorrow and have no real interest in discovering the truth.
Limiting questioning to five minutes per Judiciary Committee member says
a lot about how not serious the Repubs are and statements that the
Committee is going to vote on Friday do not add to its credibility.
Hell, the Repub boys on that Committee don't even have the balls to
question the witnesses themselves.

Meanwhile, Avenatti has released a statement from a client claiming that
she witnessed efforts by Kavanaugh and his buddies to get girls drunk so
they could be gang-raped.


OK Amy Barrett it is I guess. Be careful what you wish for.


If the longshot pays off and the Dems retake the Senate, Trump's days of
nominating extreme right-wingers to the courts are over.

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 19:21:17 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

OK Amy Barrett it is I guess. Be careful what you wish for.


If the longshot pays off and the Dems retake the Senate, Trump's days of
nominating extreme right-wingers to the courts are over.

Trump can certainly keep sending them up and see how long it takes to
get one confirmed.