Feakin' Weird
 

On 6/7/18 4:38 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 13:17:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/7/18 1:15 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 04:34:26 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:45:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


I'm not sure what your definition of a real American is. `

The areas away from the big, over congested cities where you can meet
people who still love America.

Pure cracker, or is just voting for Trump enough?
This is an interesting map. Might scare you though.
https://tinyurl.com/y83xn8jm

Nothing surprising there at all but if I was going on vacation I would
get out of those blue areas as fast as my rental car would take me.

Yeah, I appreciate you are scared to death of intelligent, educated,
informed people.

Unfortunately that is not what I usually see there and I am not really
"scared" of much of anything. I can certainly hold my own in a
conversation with just about anyone, on a wide range of subjects
without having to talk about anal sex, masturbation or fellatio and
that seems to be beyond your capabilities.



You don't actually "converse," you look for ways to argue.

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Keyser Soze
- show quoted text -
You don't actually "converse," you look for ways to argue.
.....

Pot
Kettle
Black.

Feakin' Weird
 

On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 17:54:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/7/18 4:38 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 13:17:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/7/18 1:15 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 04:34:26 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:45:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


I'm not sure what your definition of a real American is. `

The areas away from the big, over congested cities where you can meet
people who still love America.

Pure cracker, or is just voting for Trump enough?
This is an interesting map. Might scare you though.
https://tinyurl.com/y83xn8jm

Nothing surprising there at all but if I was going on vacation I would
get out of those blue areas as fast as my rental car would take me.

Yeah, I appreciate you are scared to death of intelligent, educated,
informed people.

Unfortunately that is not what I usually see there and I am not really
"scared" of much of anything. I can certainly hold my own in a
conversation with just about anyone, on a wide range of subjects
without having to talk about anal sex, masturbation or fellatio and
that seems to be beyond your capabilities.



You don't actually "converse," you look for ways to argue.

It seems better than your need to insult.

Feakin' Weird
 

On 7 Jun 2018 19:44:33 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/6/18 9:35 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:45:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 13:32:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 11:49 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 09:27:45 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 05:58:34 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On 6 Jun 2018 01:36:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:


There’s nothing about towing or sleeping in a camper that appeals to me. I
especially wouldn’t tow one to West Virginia to be at a bluegrass venue at
what likely will be a rainy weekend. I wouldn’t go to a bluegrass concert
at Constitution Hall, and I don’t dislike the music. I used to like the
Dillards.

Harry, you need to stop your fixatin on me and my RV. Go talk to
the shrink upstairs about this
issue.

===

If 'Airree owned an RV it would be the finest in the world.

He is really saying his wife wouldn't be caught dead in an RV and she
calls the shots. He also hates America so he has to hate traditional
American music. He lives in his urban east coast enclave, oblivious to
the wonders of this country beyond the very narrow corridor he lives
his life in. He has already said if he moves to South Carolina, he
will never venture west of I-95. He might actually meet some real
Americans. Oh the horror!


There you go again, offering up conclusions based on nothing.

It was not "based" on anything. I just repeated what you said.


1. Neither of us would be caught dead in an RV.
OK I think I said that
2. My wife and I share calling the shots.
OK
3. I don't hate America.
The only thing you seem to like about America is the ability to trash
the president, ridicule the military and **** on the flag without
going to jail.

4. I don't hate traditional music.
I have never heard you say anything good about it. All we ever hear
about your musical taste is how much you like symphony orchestras
playing 18th and 19th century European composers.

5. I'm not oblivious to the wonders of this country. I've lived in a
number of states and traveled in many of them for work and for pleasure.
Did you actually get off the bus/train?

6. I've been west of I-95 in South Carolina. I doubt I'll wander west of
it again.
That is what I said.

I'm not sure what your definition of a real American is. `

The areas away from the big, over congested cities where you can meet
people who still love America.



3. Wrong. I love my country when it acts the way it should and doesn't
act the way you conservatives want.

4. So?

5. Yes.

I'm not interested in meeting any more small-minded, isolated people who
live in rural areas and who hate blacks, Latinos, Catholics, Muslims,
Jews, and love Trump. Your kind of 'Mericans, eh?


How do you know what kind of people they are? You avoid anybody but
Northeast Liberals with a passion.



Do you work at being ignorant or does it come naturally to you. I interact
with people who are all over this country...even Texans.

===

Well then you should go to Texas and interact more. They could use a
few good laughs.

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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/7/18 11:36 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/6/18 9:35 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:45:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 13:32:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 11:49 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 09:27:45 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 05:58:34 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On 6 Jun 2018 01:36:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:


There’s nothing about towing or sleeping in a camper that appeals to me. I
especially wouldn’t tow one to West Virginia to be at a bluegrass venue at
what likely will be a rainy weekend. I wouldn’t go to a bluegrass concert
at Constitution Hall, and I don’t dislike the music. I used to like the
Dillards.

Harry, you need to stop your fixatin on me and my RV. Go talk to
the shrink upstairs about this
issue.

===

If 'Airree owned an RV it would be the finest in the world.

He is really saying his wife wouldn't be caught dead in an RV and she
calls the shots. He also hates America so he has to hate traditional
American music. He lives in his urban east coast enclave, oblivious to
the wonders of this country beyond the very narrow corridor he lives
his life in. He has already said if he moves to South Carolina, he
will never venture west of I-95. He might actually meet some real
Americans. Oh the horror!


There you go again, offering up conclusions based on nothing.

It was not "based" on anything. I just repeated what you said.


1. Neither of us would be caught dead in an RV.
OK I think I said that
2. My wife and I share calling the shots.
OK
3. I don't hate America.
The only thing you seem to like about America is the ability to trash
the president, ridicule the military and **** on the flag without
going to jail.

4. I don't hate traditional music.
I have never heard you say anything good about it. All we ever hear
about your musical taste is how much you like symphony orchestras
playing 18th and 19th century European composers.

5. I'm not oblivious to the wonders of this country. I've lived in a
number of states and traveled in many of them for work and for pleasure.
Did you actually get off the bus/train?

6. I've been west of I-95 in South Carolina. I doubt I'll wander west of
it again.
That is what I said.

I'm not sure what your definition of a real American is. `

The areas away from the big, over congested cities where you can meet
people who still love America.



3. Wrong. I love my country when it acts the way it should and doesn't
act the way you conservatives want.

4. So?

5. Yes.

I'm not interested in meeting any more small-minded, isolated people who
live in rural areas and who hate blacks, Latinos, Catholics, Muslims,
Jews, and love Trump. Your kind of 'Mericans, eh?


How do you know what kind of people they are? You avoid anybody but
Northeast Liberals with a passion.


More ignorance and stupidity on your part.


Another brain fart reply.

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Keyser Soze wrote:
Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/6/18 9:35 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:45:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 13:32:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 11:49 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 09:27:45 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 05:58:34 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On 6 Jun 2018 01:36:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:


There’s nothing about towing or sleeping in a camper that appeals to me. I
especially wouldn’t tow one to West Virginia to be at a bluegrass venue at
what likely will be a rainy weekend. I wouldn’t go to a bluegrass concert
at Constitution Hall, and I don’t dislike the music. I used to like the
Dillards.

Harry, you need to stop your fixatin on me and my RV. Go talk to
the shrink upstairs about this
issue.

===

If 'Airree owned an RV it would be the finest in the world.

He is really saying his wife wouldn't be caught dead in an RV and she
calls the shots. He also hates America so he has to hate traditional
American music. He lives in his urban east coast enclave, oblivious to
the wonders of this country beyond the very narrow corridor he lives
his life in. He has already said if he moves to South Carolina, he
will never venture west of I-95. He might actually meet some real
Americans. Oh the horror!


There you go again, offering up conclusions based on nothing.

It was not "based" on anything. I just repeated what you said.


1. Neither of us would be caught dead in an RV.
OK I think I said that
2. My wife and I share calling the shots.
OK
3. I don't hate America.
The only thing you seem to like about America is the ability to trash
the president, ridicule the military and **** on the flag without
going to jail.

4. I don't hate traditional music.
I have never heard you say anything good about it. All we ever hear
about your musical taste is how much you like symphony orchestras
playing 18th and 19th century European composers.

5. I'm not oblivious to the wonders of this country. I've lived in a
number of states and traveled in many of them for work and for pleasure.
Did you actually get off the bus/train?

6. I've been west of I-95 in South Carolina. I doubt I'll wander west of
it again.
That is what I said.

I'm not sure what your definition of a real American is. `

The areas away from the big, over congested cities where you can meet
people who still love America.



3. Wrong. I love my country when it acts the way it should and doesn't
act the way you conservatives want.

4. So?

5. Yes.

I'm not interested in meeting any more small-minded, isolated people who
live in rural areas and who hate blacks, Latinos, Catholics, Muslims,
Jews, and love Trump. Your kind of 'Mericans, eh?


How do you know what kind of people they are? You avoid anybody but
Northeast Liberals with a passion.



Do you work at being ignorant or does it come naturally to you. I interact
with people who are all over this country...even Texans.


You do not seem to interact with blue collar people.

Feakin' Weird
 

On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 6:10:42 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
- show quoted text -
You don't actually "converse," you look for ways to argue.
....

Pot
Kettle
Black.

Ha, ha, ha. Snerk. Say what? Unreal.

Fat Harry has no self awareness at all.

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On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 03:11:48 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/6/18 9:35 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:45:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 13:32:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 11:49 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 09:27:45 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 05:58:34 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On 6 Jun 2018 01:36:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:


There’s nothing about towing or sleeping in a camper that appeals to me. I
especially wouldn’t tow one to West Virginia to be at a bluegrass venue at
what likely will be a rainy weekend. I wouldn’t go to a bluegrass concert
at Constitution Hall, and I don’t dislike the music. I used to like the
Dillards.

Harry, you need to stop your fixatin on me and my RV. Go talk to
the shrink upstairs about this
issue.

===

If 'Airree owned an RV it would be the finest in the world.

He is really saying his wife wouldn't be caught dead in an RV and she
calls the shots. He also hates America so he has to hate traditional
American music. He lives in his urban east coast enclave, oblivious to
the wonders of this country beyond the very narrow corridor he lives
his life in. He has already said if he moves to South Carolina, he
will never venture west of I-95. He might actually meet some real
Americans. Oh the horror!


There you go again, offering up conclusions based on nothing.

It was not "based" on anything. I just repeated what you said.


1. Neither of us would be caught dead in an RV.
OK I think I said that
2. My wife and I share calling the shots.
OK
3. I don't hate America.
The only thing you seem to like about America is the ability to trash
the president, ridicule the military and **** on the flag without
going to jail.

4. I don't hate traditional music.
I have never heard you say anything good about it. All we ever hear
about your musical taste is how much you like symphony orchestras
playing 18th and 19th century European composers.

5. I'm not oblivious to the wonders of this country. I've lived in a
number of states and traveled in many of them for work and for pleasure.
Did you actually get off the bus/train?

6. I've been west of I-95 in South Carolina. I doubt I'll wander west of
it again.
That is what I said.

I'm not sure what your definition of a real American is. `

The areas away from the big, over congested cities where you can meet
people who still love America.



3. Wrong. I love my country when it acts the way it should and doesn't
act the way you conservatives want.

4. So?

5. Yes.

I'm not interested in meeting any more small-minded, isolated people who
live in rural areas and who hate blacks, Latinos, Catholics, Muslims,
Jews, and love Trump. Your kind of 'Mericans, eh?


How do you know what kind of people they are? You avoid anybody but
Northeast Liberals with a passion.



Do you work at being ignorant or does it come naturally to you. I interact
with people who are all over this country...even Texans.


You do not seem to interact with blue collar people.

Nope. He brags about his black friend but the guy is a doctor, not a
truck driver.

Feakin' Weird
 

On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 06:39:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 6/7/2018 5:56 AM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 20:23:13 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 15:49:36 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/6/2018 12:35 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 06:59:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:



Those Jake brakes are really obnoxious, ought to be totally outlawed
in my opinion.


They are loud but you have to remember that a diesel, unlike a gasoline
engine, does not provide any engine braking when you take your foot
off the gas/fuel pedal. Going down a hill a diesel powered truck will
just keep accelerating and truckers would be replacing expensive brakes
often.



In 'tow/haul' mode, mine will downshift to slow down if I have the cruise control at a slower speed.
Also, going downhill and hitting the brakes will cause it to downshift.


I understand but still, a diesel offers no engine braking like a gas engine.


Not without dumping the compression after the piston goes up anyway.

Maybe that's what my truck does in 'tow/haul' mode.



Ah, that's what turned the turbo "exhaust brake" on in the Ford I had.
It works when you use the tow/haul mode.

I'll dig out the manual and see what it says. The GM probably works the same way.

Feakin' Weird
 

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 13:26:52 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 07:47:28 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 9:35 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:45:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 13:32:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 11:49 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 09:27:45 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 05:58:34 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On 6 Jun 2018 01:36:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:


There’s nothing about towing or sleeping in a camper that appeals to me. I
especially wouldn’t tow one to West Virginia to be at a bluegrass venue at
what likely will be a rainy weekend. I wouldn’t go to a bluegrass concert
at Constitution Hall, and I don’t dislike the music. I used to like the
Dillards.

Harry, you need to stop your fixatin on me and my RV. Go talk to the shrink upstairs about this
issue.

===

If 'Airree owned an RV it would be the finest in the world.

He is really saying his wife wouldn't be caught dead in an RV and she
calls the shots. He also hates America so he has to hate traditional
American music. He lives in his urban east coast enclave, oblivious to
the wonders of this country beyond the very narrow corridor he lives
his life in. He has already said if he moves to South Carolina, he
will never venture west of I-95. He might actually meet some real
Americans. Oh the horror!


There you go again, offering up conclusions based on nothing.

It was not "based" on anything. I just repeated what you said.


1. Neither of us would be caught dead in an RV.
OK I think I said that
2. My wife and I share calling the shots.
OK
3. I don't hate America.
The only thing you seem to like about America is the ability to trash
the president, ridicule the military and **** on the flag without
going to jail.

4. I don't hate traditional music.
I have never heard you say anything good about it. All we ever hear
about your musical taste is how much you like symphony orchestras
playing 18th and 19th century European composers.

5. I'm not oblivious to the wonders of this country. I've lived in a
number of states and traveled in many of them for work and for pleasure.
Did you actually get off the bus/train?

6. I've been west of I-95 in South Carolina. I doubt I'll wander west of
it again.
That is what I said.

I'm not sure what your definition of a real American is. `

The areas away from the big, over congested cities where you can meet
people who still love America.



3. Wrong. I love my country when it acts the way it should and doesn't
act the way you conservatives want.

4. So?

5. Yes.

I'm not interested in meeting any more small-minded, isolated people who
live in rural areas and who hate blacks, Latinos, Catholics, Muslims,
Jews, and love Trump. Your kind of 'Mericans, eh?

Nice deflection but I still have not heard you say anything about how
you like traditional American music, bluegrass, country/western or
even Motown.
I have also not heard you say much about visiting anywhere out of the
urban areas or you would understand those people are not the bigots
you depict them to be. The fact is when you run into black people in
the Dakotas, rural Colorado or Idaho, they are not your typical urban
thugs or welfare cheats and their neighbors usually like them. The
same is true of Latinos.

That's true even of the suburbs of DC.

Feakin' Weird
 

On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 17:54:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/7/18 4:38 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 13:17:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/7/18 1:15 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 04:34:26 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:45:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


I'm not sure what your definition of a real American is. `

The areas away from the big, over congested cities where you can meet
people who still love America.

Pure cracker, or is just voting for Trump enough?
This is an interesting map. Might scare you though.
https://tinyurl.com/y83xn8jm

Nothing surprising there at all but if I was going on vacation I would
get out of those blue areas as fast as my rental car would take me.

Yeah, I appreciate you are scared to death of intelligent, educated,
informed people.

Unfortunately that is not what I usually see there and I am not really
"scared" of much of anything. I can certainly hold my own in a
conversation with just about anyone, on a wide range of subjects
without having to talk about anal sex, masturbation or fellatio and
that seems to be beyond your capabilities.



You don't actually "converse," you look for ways to argue.

Worthy of repetition. Greg said,

"I can certainly hold my own in a
conversation with just about anyone, on a wide range of subjects
without having to talk about anal sex, masturbation or fellatio and
that seems to be beyond your capabilities. "

Feakin' Weird
 

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 13:16:53 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 05:49:20 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 20:10:27 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 12:36:38 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:54:18 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 1:25 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 04:30:19 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 15:43:09 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 13:45:28 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 11:47:49 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:16:30 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/5/18 8:11 AM, Tim wrote:

7:08 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
I think those towing big campers should have to mount a big screen TV on
the outside of the back side of their motel rooms on wheels with cameras
pointing forward on the front of the tow vehicle so that drivers behind
them can see the road ahead. Being behind those behemoths while they bob
and weave and strain to get up hills on the interstate is not a pleasant
experience.

........

Same for semi-trucks?


Actually, no, because most of the big truck drivers know how to drive
and their trailers are heavy enough with large wheels to not wander all
over the lanes or be blown about by the wind, and most of them manage to
get up hills without slowing down too much.

Really? You must not have driven anywhere that has very big hills.
When you actually get to a place that has them, trucks are slow going
up and scary coming down.

===

Yes, and in places like I-81 in Pennsylvania, truckers are prone to
racing each other uphill at 40 mph, side by side of course.

Up is just frustrating, down is scary when you hear that Jake Brake
rapping and they are still gaining on you at 65-70.

===

Those Jake brakes are really obnoxious, ought to be totally outlawed
in my opinion.

If road and traffic conditions are decent I'll just keep accelerating
enough to stay ahead of them. My wife's Benz is very solid at even
90+ and the brakes are superb. There's a lot to be said for German
quality and engineering.


Jacob brakes are godsend for western trucks. Huge mountains.

That is what I was referring to with Harry. He calls those 4000 foot
hills "mountains".


I don't often drive where "western trucks" drive.

What is a 'western truck'? The tractors used out west are the same ones used here.

They haul longer trailers and a lot of times, 2 at a time.

I'm seeing double trailers frequently in the east now also.

That used to be illegal. I suppose those mobbed up Teamsters union
guys bought off someone.

We just got back from a trip during which I went up I-81. Every Fed Ex or UPS rig I saw was pulling
double trailers. The Feds have set the law for trailer lengths, although some states are
grandfathered with different lengths.

The idea that trucks 'out west' are bigger or more powerful because of the 'mountains' doesn't hold
much water, IMHO. Stop and think about it - trucking companies don't switch tractors to go
cross-country.

Feakin' Weird
 

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 13:16:53 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 05:49:20 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 20:10:27 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 12:36:38 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:54:18 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 1:25 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 04:30:19 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 15:43:09 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 13:45:28 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 11:47:49 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:16:30 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/5/18 8:11 AM, Tim wrote:

7:08 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
I think those towing big campers should have to mount a big screen TV on
the outside of the back side of their motel rooms on wheels with cameras
pointing forward on the front of the tow vehicle so that drivers behind
them can see the road ahead. Being behind those behemoths while they bob
and weave and strain to get up hills on the interstate is not a pleasant
experience.

........

Same for semi-trucks?


Actually, no, because most of the big truck drivers know how to drive
and their trailers are heavy enough with large wheels to not wander all
over the lanes or be blown about by the wind, and most of them manage to
get up hills without slowing down too much.

Really? You must not have driven anywhere that has very big hills.
When you actually get to a place that has them, trucks are slow going
up and scary coming down.

===

Yes, and in places like I-81 in Pennsylvania, truckers are prone to
racing each other uphill at 40 mph, side by side of course.

Up is just frustrating, down is scary when you hear that Jake Brake
rapping and they are still gaining on you at 65-70.

===

Those Jake brakes are really obnoxious, ought to be totally outlawed
in my opinion.

If road and traffic conditions are decent I'll just keep accelerating
enough to stay ahead of them. My wife's Benz is very solid at even
90+ and the brakes are superb. There's a lot to be said for German
quality and engineering.


Jacob brakes are godsend for western trucks. Huge mountains.

That is what I was referring to with Harry. He calls those 4000 foot
hills "mountains".


I don't often drive where "western trucks" drive.

What is a 'western truck'? The tractors used out west are the same ones used here.

They haul longer trailers and a lot of times, 2 at a time.

I'm seeing double trailers frequently in the east now also.

That used to be illegal. I suppose those mobbed up Teamsters union
guys bought off someone.

We just got back from a trip during which I went up I-81. Every Fed Ex or
UPS rig I saw was pulling
double trailers. The Feds have set the law for trailer lengths, although some states are
grandfathered with different lengths.

The idea that trucks 'out west' are bigger or more powerful because of
the 'mountains' doesn't hold
much water, IMHO. Stop and think about it - trucking companies don't switch tractors to go
cross-country.


Actually they should. Lower powered, very efficient tractors for pulling
across the plaines and then a very powerful tractor for the mountains.
Pretty much what trains do. Add pulling power for mountains.

Feakin' Weird
 

On Sun, 10 Jun 2018 20:31:46 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 13:16:53 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 05:49:20 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 20:10:27 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 12:36:38 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:54:18 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 1:25 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 04:30:19 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 15:43:09 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 13:45:28 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 11:47:49 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:16:30 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/5/18 8:11 AM, Tim wrote:

7:08 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
I think those towing big campers should have to mount a big screen TV on
the outside of the back side of their motel rooms on wheels with cameras
pointing forward on the front of the tow vehicle so that drivers behind
them can see the road ahead. Being behind those behemoths while they bob
and weave and strain to get up hills on the interstate is not a pleasant
experience.

........

Same for semi-trucks?


Actually, no, because most of the big truck drivers know how to drive
and their trailers are heavy enough with large wheels to not wander all
over the lanes or be blown about by the wind, and most of them manage to
get up hills without slowing down too much.

Really? You must not have driven anywhere that has very big hills.
When you actually get to a place that has them, trucks are slow going
up and scary coming down.

===

Yes, and in places like I-81 in Pennsylvania, truckers are prone to
racing each other uphill at 40 mph, side by side of course.

Up is just frustrating, down is scary when you hear that Jake Brake
rapping and they are still gaining on you at 65-70.

===

Those Jake brakes are really obnoxious, ought to be totally outlawed
in my opinion.

If road and traffic conditions are decent I'll just keep accelerating
enough to stay ahead of them. My wife's Benz is very solid at even
90+ and the brakes are superb. There's a lot to be said for German
quality and engineering.


Jacob brakes are godsend for western trucks. Huge mountains.

That is what I was referring to with Harry. He calls those 4000 foot
hills "mountains".


I don't often drive where "western trucks" drive.

What is a 'western truck'? The tractors used out west are the same ones used here.

They haul longer trailers and a lot of times, 2 at a time.

I'm seeing double trailers frequently in the east now also.

That used to be illegal. I suppose those mobbed up Teamsters union
guys bought off someone.

We just got back from a trip during which I went up I-81. Every Fed Ex or
UPS rig I saw was pulling
double trailers. The Feds have set the law for trailer lengths, although some states are
grandfathered with different lengths.

The idea that trucks 'out west' are bigger or more powerful because of
the 'mountains' doesn't hold
much water, IMHO. Stop and think about it - trucking companies don't switch tractors to go
cross-country.


Actually they should. Lower powered, very efficient tractors for pulling
across the plaines and then a very powerful tractor for the mountains.
Pretty much what trains do. Add pulling power for mountains.

They somewhat do with short haul trucks.

Feakin' Weird
 

On Sun, 10 Jun 2018 20:31:46 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 13:16:53 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 05:49:20 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 20:10:27 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 12:36:38 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:54:18 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 1:25 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 04:30:19 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 15:43:09 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 13:45:28 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 11:47:49 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:16:30 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/5/18 8:11 AM, Tim wrote:

7:08 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
I think those towing big campers should have to mount a big screen TV on
the outside of the back side of their motel rooms on wheels with cameras
pointing forward on the front of the tow vehicle so that drivers behind
them can see the road ahead. Being behind those behemoths while they bob
and weave and strain to get up hills on the interstate is not a pleasant
experience.

........

Same for semi-trucks?


Actually, no, because most of the big truck drivers know how to drive
and their trailers are heavy enough with large wheels to not wander all
over the lanes or be blown about by the wind, and most of them manage to
get up hills without slowing down too much.

Really? You must not have driven anywhere that has very big hills.
When you actually get to a place that has them, trucks are slow going
up and scary coming down.

===

Yes, and in places like I-81 in Pennsylvania, truckers are prone to
racing each other uphill at 40 mph, side by side of course.

Up is just frustrating, down is scary when you hear that Jake Brake
rapping and they are still gaining on you at 65-70.

===

Those Jake brakes are really obnoxious, ought to be totally outlawed
in my opinion.

If road and traffic conditions are decent I'll just keep accelerating
enough to stay ahead of them. My wife's Benz is very solid at even
90+ and the brakes are superb. There's a lot to be said for German
quality and engineering.


Jacob brakes are godsend for western trucks. Huge mountains.

That is what I was referring to with Harry. He calls those 4000 foot
hills "mountains".


I don't often drive where "western trucks" drive.

What is a 'western truck'? The tractors used out west are the same ones used here.

They haul longer trailers and a lot of times, 2 at a time.

I'm seeing double trailers frequently in the east now also.

That used to be illegal. I suppose those mobbed up Teamsters union
guys bought off someone.

We just got back from a trip during which I went up I-81. Every Fed Ex or
UPS rig I saw was pulling
double trailers. The Feds have set the law for trailer lengths, although some states are
grandfathered with different lengths.

The idea that trucks 'out west' are bigger or more powerful because of
the 'mountains' doesn't hold
much water, IMHO. Stop and think about it - trucking companies don't switch tractors to go
cross-country.


Actually they should. Lower powered, very efficient tractors for pulling
across the plaines and then a very powerful tractor for the mountains.
Pretty much what trains do. Add pulling power for mountains.

We don't have the Rocky Mountains, but we do get some decent grades. Besides, they like to barrel
across Kansas at 85mph.