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Wayne.B June 6th 18 10:40 PM

Feakin' Weird
 
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 14:30:20 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 4:44:29 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/6/18 2:40 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 6/6/18 11:13 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 6/6/18 9:43 AM, justan wrote:
Wayne.B Wrote in message:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 05:58:34 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On 6 Jun 2018 01:36:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 14:22:32 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/5/2018 8:08 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/5/18 6:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/4/2018 8:17 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 16:51:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/4/2018 4:41 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/4/18 4:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Cold, rainy two days so I've been holed up doing next to nothing.

Tired of politics and listening to all the political pundits so
I've been watching a PBS series on Amazon Prime video about
how the human brain works.

Not a lot is understood but what is know is freaking me out.

For example:

Sight. We don't often think about how it works but most assume
it's like a CCD camera or something where images are focused on
the retina, transmitted to the brain via the optic nerves and
we "see".

Doesn't work that way at all.

We are not actually "seeing" anything. What we are visualizing is
the
brain's (specifically the Thalamus section) interpretation of the
electrical impulses it receives via the optical nerves which it
compares to a vast data base of previously acquired and created
visualizations that have been generated, stored and updated since you
first opened
your eyes as an infant. What you "see" is your own, personal
reality and not necessarily what others "see". You "see" a
tree and, unless there's something unique or special about it,
the thalamus just draws from the data previously stored and
adds that to the generated image. The amount of new data
it processes is very small compared to the amount of previously
acquired data it uses to create the visualization.

First time I drove to the store after watching this, I was
thinking about it and started wondering if the car I saw
slowing down ahead of me was really there. :-)




Well, that last thought of yours implies you are eating too many magic
'shrooms. :)



Reminded me of the Nissan Pathfinder I briefly owned. It had the
automatic braking system that would apply the brakes if you were
about to smash into something.

Curious as I was, I decided not to see how well it worked.


I was always afraid it would slam on the brakes when I was pulling a
NASCAR move changing lanes and get me rear ended by a truck.



It must work pretty well. Many car manufacturers have it available as
an option or as standard equipment now-a-days. You don't hear of many
accidents occurring because it activates when it shouldn't.



I think those towing big campers should have to mount a big screen TV on
the outside of the back side of their motel rooms on wheels with cameras
pointing forward on the front of the tow vehicle so that drivers behind
them can see the road ahead. Being behind those behemoths while they bob
and weave and strain to get up hills on the interstate is not a pleasant
experience.


They pay taxes to use the roads just like you do. What's the difference
between being behind one of them or behind a big box or trailer truck?




===

To 'Airree they are a symbol of wealth and success, therefore worthy
of his scorn and ridicule.


There?s nothing about towing or sleeping in a camper that appeals to me. I
especially wouldn?t tow one to West Virginia to be at a bluegrass venue at
what likely will be a rainy weekend. I wouldn?t go to a bluegrass concert
at Constitution Hall, and I don?t dislike the music. I used to like the
Dillards.

Harry, you need to stop your fixatin on me and my RV. Go talk to the shrink upstairs about this
issue.

===

If 'Airree owned an RV it would be the finest in the world.


The finest RVs start at 2 mil on up. But I suppose if Fat Harry
owned a Hatteras, the finest RV wouldn't be beyond his
reach.


Two million dollars for an RV to do what? Stay in some bug-ridden
campground with the likes of you or Herring?


Not when you can share your hotel room with roaches, ants,
scorpians, bed bugs, mites, crusty semen, spiders, hiv, and god
knows what else.


Yeah, I'll bet you'd find those where you'd choose to stay.


No sir, you are wrong. I know who and what has been sleeping in my bed.


You and your body full of roaches, ants, scorpions, bedbugs, mites,
spiders, but no semen because your body hasn't produced any in decades.


Wow, that's the most childish response I've read in rec.boats, ever.


===

'Airree is always projecting his own issues on to others.

justan June 6th 18 10:46 PM

Feakin' Weird
 
Its Me Wrote in message:
On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 4:44:29 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/6/18 2:40 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 6/6/18 11:13 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 6/6/18 9:43 AM, justan wrote:
Wayne.B Wrote in message:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 05:58:34 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On 6 Jun 2018 01:36:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 14:22:32 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/5/2018 8:08 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/5/18 6:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/4/2018 8:17 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 16:51:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/4/2018 4:41 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/4/18 4:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Cold, rainy two days so I've been holed up doing next to nothing.

Tired of politics and listening to all the political pundits so
I've been watching a PBS series on Amazon Prime video about
how the human brain works.

Not a lot is understood but what is know is freaking me out.

For example:

Sight. We don't often think about how it works but most assume
it's like a CCD camera or something where images are focused on
the retina, transmitted to the brain via the optic nerves and
we "see".

Doesn't work that way at all.

We are not actually "seeing" anything. What we are visualizing is
the
brain's (specifically the Thalamus section) interpretation of the
electrical impulses it receives via the optical nerves which it
compares to a vast data base of previously acquired and created
visualizations that have been generated, stored and updated since you
first opened
your eyes as an infant. What you "see" is your own, personal
reality and not necessarily what others "see". You "see" a
tree and, unless there's something unique or special about it,
the thalamus just draws from the data previously stored and
adds that to the generated image. The amount of new data
it processes is very small compared to the amount of previously
acquired data it uses to create the visualization.

First time I drove to the store after watching this, I was
thinking about it and started wondering if the car I saw
slowing down ahead of me was really there. :-)




Well, that last thought of yours implies you are eating too many magic
'shrooms. :)



Reminded me of the Nissan Pathfinder I briefly owned. It had the
automatic braking system that would apply the brakes if you were
about to smash into something.

Curious as I was, I decided not to see how well it worked.


I was always afraid it would slam on the brakes when I was pulling a
NASCAR move changing lanes and get me rear ended by a truck.



It must work pretty well. Many car manufacturers have it available as
an option or as standard equipment now-a-days. You don't hear of many
accidents occurring because it activates when it shouldn't.



I think those towing big campers should have to mount a big screen TV on
the outside of the back side of their motel rooms on wheels with cameras
pointing forward on the front of the tow vehicle so that drivers behind
them can see the road ahead. Being behind those behemoths while they bob
and weave and strain to get up hills on the interstate is not a pleasant
experience.


They pay taxes to use the roads just like you do. What's the difference
between being behind one of them or behind a big box or trailer truck?




===

To 'Airree they are a symbol of wealth and success, therefore worthy
of his scorn and ridicule.


There?s nothing about towing or sleeping in a camper that appeals to me. I
especially wouldn?t tow one to West Virginia to be at a bluegrass venue at
what likely will be a rainy weekend. I wouldn?t go to a bluegrass concert
at Constitution Hall, and I don?t dislike the music. I used to like the
Dillards.

Harry, you need to stop your fixatin on me and my RV. Go talk to the shrink upstairs about this
issue.

===

If 'Airree owned an RV it would be the finest in the world.


The finest RVs start at 2 mil on up. But I suppose if Fat Harry
owned a Hatteras, the finest RV wouldn't be beyond his
reach.


Two million dollars for an RV to do what? Stay in some bug-ridden
campground with the likes of you or Herring?


Not when you can share your hotel room with roaches, ants,
scorpians, bed bugs, mites, crusty semen, spiders, hiv, and god
knows what else.


Yeah, I'll bet you'd find those where you'd choose to stay.


No sir, you are wrong. I know who and what has been sleeping in my bed.


You and your body full of roaches, ants, scorpions, bedbugs, mites,
spiders, but no semen because your body hasn't produced any in decades.


Wow, that's the most childish response I've read in rec.boats, ever.


Stick around. This is just the tip of the iceburg.
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Keyser Soze June 6th 18 10:50 PM

Feakin' Weird
 
On 6/6/18 5:46 PM, justan wrote:
Its Me Wrote in message:
On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 4:44:29 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/6/18 2:40 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 6/6/18 11:13 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 6/6/18 9:43 AM, justan wrote:
Wayne.B Wrote in message:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 05:58:34 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On 6 Jun 2018 01:36:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 14:22:32 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/5/2018 8:08 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/5/18 6:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/4/2018 8:17 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 16:51:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/4/2018 4:41 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/4/18 4:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Cold, rainy two days so I've been holed up doing next to nothing.

Tired of politics and listening to all the political pundits so
I've been watching a PBS series on Amazon Prime video about
how the human brain works.

Not a lot is understood but what is know is freaking me out.

For example:

Sight. We don't often think about how it works but most assume
it's like a CCD camera or something where images are focused on
the retina, transmitted to the brain via the optic nerves and
we "see".

Doesn't work that way at all.

We are not actually "seeing" anything. What we are visualizing is
the
brain's (specifically the Thalamus section) interpretation of the
electrical impulses it receives via the optical nerves which it
compares to a vast data base of previously acquired and created
visualizations that have been generated, stored and updated since you
first opened
your eyes as an infant. What you "see" is your own, personal
reality and not necessarily what others "see". You "see" a
tree and, unless there's something unique or special about it,
the thalamus just draws from the data previously stored and
adds that to the generated image. The amount of new data
it processes is very small compared to the amount of previously
acquired data it uses to create the visualization.

First time I drove to the store after watching this, I was
thinking about it and started wondering if the car I saw
slowing down ahead of me was really there. :-)




Well, that last thought of yours implies you are eating too many magic
'shrooms. :)



Reminded me of the Nissan Pathfinder I briefly owned. It had the
automatic braking system that would apply the brakes if you were
about to smash into something.

Curious as I was, I decided not to see how well it worked.


I was always afraid it would slam on the brakes when I was pulling a
NASCAR move changing lanes and get me rear ended by a truck.



It must work pretty well. Many car manufacturers have it available as
an option or as standard equipment now-a-days. You don't hear of many
accidents occurring because it activates when it shouldn't.



I think those towing big campers should have to mount a big screen TV on
the outside of the back side of their motel rooms on wheels with cameras
pointing forward on the front of the tow vehicle so that drivers behind
them can see the road ahead. Being behind those behemoths while they bob
and weave and strain to get up hills on the interstate is not a pleasant
experience.


They pay taxes to use the roads just like you do. What's the difference
between being behind one of them or behind a big box or trailer truck?




===

To 'Airree they are a symbol of wealth and success, therefore worthy
of his scorn and ridicule.


There?s nothing about towing or sleeping in a camper that appeals to me. I
especially wouldn?t tow one to West Virginia to be at a bluegrass venue at
what likely will be a rainy weekend. I wouldn?t go to a bluegrass concert
at Constitution Hall, and I don?t dislike the music. I used to like the
Dillards.

Harry, you need to stop your fixatin on me and my RV. Go talk to the shrink upstairs about this
issue.

===

If 'Airree owned an RV it would be the finest in the world.


The finest RVs start at 2 mil on up. But I suppose if Fat Harry
owned a Hatteras, the finest RV wouldn't be beyond his
reach.


Two million dollars for an RV to do what? Stay in some bug-ridden
campground with the likes of you or Herring?


Not when you can share your hotel room with roaches, ants,
scorpians, bed bugs, mites, crusty semen, spiders, hiv, and god
knows what else.


Yeah, I'll bet you'd find those where you'd choose to stay.


No sir, you are wrong. I know who and what has been sleeping in my bed.


You and your body full of roaches, ants, scorpions, bedbugs, mites,
spiders, but no semen because your body hasn't produced any in decades.


Wow, that's the most childish response I've read in rec.boats, ever.


Stick around. This is just the tip of the iceburg.


Seventy percent of your stupidity and ignorance are hidden from sight?

True North[_2_] June 6th 18 11:31 PM

Feakin' Weird
 

"Seventy percent of your stupidity and ignorance are hidden from sight?"

Wow...what Justine does show is overwhelming.

John H.[_5_] June 7th 18 12:42 AM

Feakin' Weird
 
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 15:49:36 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 6/6/2018 12:35 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 06:59:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:



Those Jake brakes are really obnoxious, ought to be totally outlawed
in my opinion.


They are loud but you have to remember that a diesel, unlike a gasoline
engine, does not provide any engine braking when you take your foot
off the gas/fuel pedal. Going down a hill a diesel powered truck will
just keep accelerating and truckers would be replacing expensive brakes
often.



In 'tow/haul' mode, mine will downshift to slow down if I have the cruise control at a slower speed.
Also, going downhill and hitting the brakes will cause it to downshift.


I understand but still, a diesel offers no engine braking like a gas engine.


I haven't figured out how it works, but the engine RPM goes up as the truck is slowing down -
without me using the brake. It sure sounds and feels like the engine is slowing the truck down
somehow.

John H.[_5_] June 7th 18 12:43 AM

Feakin' Weird
 
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 16:44:27 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 2:40 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 6/6/18 11:13 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 6/6/18 9:43 AM, justan wrote:
Wayne.B Wrote in message:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 05:58:34 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On 6 Jun 2018 01:36:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 14:22:32 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/5/2018 8:08 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/5/18 6:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/4/2018 8:17 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 16:51:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/4/2018 4:41 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/4/18 4:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Cold, rainy two days so I've been holed up doing next to nothing.

Tired of politics and listening to all the political pundits so
I've been watching a PBS series on Amazon Prime video about
how the human brain works.

Not a lot is understood but what is know is freaking me out.

For example:

Sight. We don't often think about how it works but most assume
it's like a CCD camera or something where images are focused on
the retina, transmitted to the brain via the optic nerves and
we "see".

Doesn't work that way at all.

We are not actually "seeing" anything. What we are visualizing is
the
brain's (specifically the Thalamus section) interpretation of the
electrical impulses it receives via the optical nerves which it
compares to a vast data base of previously acquired and created
visualizations that have been generated, stored and updated since you
first opened
your eyes as an infant. What you "see" is your own, personal
reality and not necessarily what others "see". You "see" a
tree and, unless there's something unique or special about it,
the thalamus just draws from the data previously stored and
adds that to the generated image. The amount of new data
it processes is very small compared to the amount of previously
acquired data it uses to create the visualization.

First time I drove to the store after watching this, I was
thinking about it and started wondering if the car I saw
slowing down ahead of me was really there. :-)




Well, that last thought of yours implies you are eating too many magic
'shrooms. :)



Reminded me of the Nissan Pathfinder I briefly owned. It had the
automatic braking system that would apply the brakes if you were
about to smash into something.

Curious as I was, I decided not to see how well it worked.


I was always afraid it would slam on the brakes when I was pulling a
NASCAR move changing lanes and get me rear ended by a truck.



It must work pretty well. Many car manufacturers have it available as
an option or as standard equipment now-a-days. You don't hear of many
accidents occurring because it activates when it shouldn't.



I think those towing big campers should have to mount a big screen TV on
the outside of the back side of their motel rooms on wheels with cameras
pointing forward on the front of the tow vehicle so that drivers behind
them can see the road ahead. Being behind those behemoths while they bob
and weave and strain to get up hills on the interstate is not a pleasant
experience.


They pay taxes to use the roads just like you do. What's the difference
between being behind one of them or behind a big box or trailer truck?




===

To 'Airree they are a symbol of wealth and success, therefore worthy
of his scorn and ridicule.


There?s nothing about towing or sleeping in a camper that appeals to me. I
especially wouldn?t tow one to West Virginia to be at a bluegrass venue at
what likely will be a rainy weekend. I wouldn?t go to a bluegrass concert
at Constitution Hall, and I don?t dislike the music. I used to like the
Dillards.

Harry, you need to stop your fixatin on me and my RV. Go talk to the shrink upstairs about this
issue.

===

If 'Airree owned an RV it would be the finest in the world.


The finest RVs start at 2 mil on up. But I suppose if Fat Harry
owned a Hatteras, the finest RV wouldn't be beyond his
reach.


Two million dollars for an RV to do what? Stay in some bug-ridden
campground with the likes of you or Herring?


Not when you can share your hotel room with roaches, ants,
scorpians, bed bugs, mites, crusty semen, spiders, hiv, and god
knows what else.


Yeah, I'll bet you'd find those where you'd choose to stay.


No sir, you are wrong. I know who and what has been sleeping in my bed.


You and your body full of roaches, ants, scorpions, bedbugs, mites,
spiders, but no semen because your body hasn't produced any in decades.


Holy ****, do you and donneee think of *nothing* besides gay sex, semen, reach-arounds, **** in
toilets, etc.?

[email protected] June 7th 18 01:07 AM

Feakin' Weird
 
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 11:26:16 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

And you don't have to see not much looking out that window before you
get to your destination. We're heading out to the Pacific Northwest this
summer for a few weeks, with a side cruise to Alaska. We don't want to
waste four days driving, say, to Seattle, and then wasting four days
driving back. It's a six hour nonstop flight to Seattle. We've been to
most of the states between here and there for work and play. I haven't
been to Idaho, but my wife has.


I hope you actually get off the tour bus and take a hike. There are
some wonderful things to see out there but the best ones are more than
100 yards from the parking lot. Same with Alaska.
In Oregon I liked the area around Mt. Hood the best. Great hikes and
we had a really nice house we rented. This is looking up from the
creek out back
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Oregon/Mt%20Hood/Cabin.jpg
If you don't mind a 700' vertical climb and some flat walking on the
Pacific Coast trail, this view is a nice "reward". (Top Spur trail)
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Oregon/Mt%2...top%20spur.jpg

I would skip Bend unless you like extinct volcanos.
If you are going to the beach, Yahats is better than Cannon Beach or
anything closer to Portland. (unless you really like tourist traps)
but Cannon Beach does have it's charm. You aren't getting in the water
anyway, not without a wet suit.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Oregon/Pac%...h%20sunset.jpg
You can build a fire on Cannon Beach.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Oregon/Pac%...%20Bea ch.jpg



[email protected] June 7th 18 01:10 AM

Feakin' Weird
 
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 12:36:38 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:54:18 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 1:25 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 04:30:19 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 15:43:09 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 13:45:28 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 11:47:49 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:16:30 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/5/18 8:11 AM, Tim wrote:

7:08 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
I think those towing big campers should have to mount a big screen TV on
the outside of the back side of their motel rooms on wheels with cameras
pointing forward on the front of the tow vehicle so that drivers behind
them can see the road ahead. Being behind those behemoths while they bob
and weave and strain to get up hills on the interstate is not a pleasant
experience.

........

Same for semi-trucks?


Actually, no, because most of the big truck drivers know how to drive
and their trailers are heavy enough with large wheels to not wander all
over the lanes or be blown about by the wind, and most of them manage to
get up hills without slowing down too much.

Really? You must not have driven anywhere that has very big hills.
When you actually get to a place that has them, trucks are slow going
up and scary coming down.

===

Yes, and in places like I-81 in Pennsylvania, truckers are prone to
racing each other uphill at 40 mph, side by side of course.

Up is just frustrating, down is scary when you hear that Jake Brake
rapping and they are still gaining on you at 65-70.

===

Those Jake brakes are really obnoxious, ought to be totally outlawed
in my opinion.

If road and traffic conditions are decent I'll just keep accelerating
enough to stay ahead of them. My wife's Benz is very solid at even
90+ and the brakes are superb. There's a lot to be said for German
quality and engineering.


Jacob brakes are godsend for western trucks. Huge mountains.

That is what I was referring to with Harry. He calls those 4000 foot
hills "mountains".


I don't often drive where "western trucks" drive.


What is a 'western truck'? The tractors used out west are the same ones used here.


They haul longer trailers and a lot of times, 2 at a time.


[email protected] June 7th 18 01:18 AM

Feakin' Weird
 
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 16:40:11 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/6/18 9:13 AM, justan wrote:
John H. Wrote in message:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 00:22:19 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 15:51:33 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 12:57:09 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/5/18 11:47 AM,
wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:16:30 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/5/18 8:11 AM, Tim wrote:

7:08 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
I think those towing big campers should have to mount a big screen TV on
the outside of the back side of their motel rooms on wheels with cameras
pointing forward on the front of the tow vehicle so that drivers behind
them can see the road ahead. Being behind those behemoths while they bob
and weave and strain to get up hills on the interstate is not a pleasant
experience.

........

Same for semi-trucks?


Actually, no, because most of the big truck drivers know how to drive
and their trailers are heavy enough with large wheels to not wander all
over the lanes or be blown about by the wind, and most of them manage to
get up hills without slowing down too much.

Really? You must not have driven anywhere that has very big hills.
When you actually get to a place that has them, trucks are slow going
up and scary coming down.


We drove up to Morgantown a few weeks ago. Lots of hills, lots of semis,
couple of buses, too many badly driven trucks towing campers.

Ant hills?


Hills with “escape roads” for runaway trucks.

And the trucks do not slow down going up hill? I call bull****.

Yes, they slow down. That's why they have truck lanes on many of those
hills. The hills around
Morgantown, coming in on I-68, are no fun whatsoever. Going up, for me,
is no problem. Coming down I
keep my speed down to 50mph or less.

From the way Harry talks, I'm wondering if he's making up the whole thing.


Fat Harry is an I95 kind of guy. He doesn't know there are other
more pleasant north south routes



I don't find anything "pleasant" about a long drive to Florida, or even
Hilton Head. My interest is in getting to my destination as quickly as
possible, at, at most, a couple of MPHs over the posted speed limit,
just enough to not attract the attention of the local or state mounties.

I do take 301 from southern Maryland to Hanover, Virginia, and then cut
over to I-95 north of Richmond. Saves me the aggravation of I-95 from
Herring's 'hood to Richmond. 301 can be pleasant once you get over the
Potomac River bridge.


You miss the journey and the nice things along the way. We are planning a
Glacier Nat’l park trip later this summer. Stop first Lava beds National
monument. Lewiston, ID for a jet boat trip to the dam on the Snake.
Flathead lake. Some Lewis and Clark places. Glacier and Waterton Park
in Canada. Enjoy a leisurely trip. Seems as if go to Europe, would be a
trip to Paris, or some other city. Not a region.


Glacier is pretty nice and not nearly as crowded as Yellowstone.
We walked around there for a day or two. This is McDonald Lake
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/montana/Bad...20Mcdonald.jpg
There are a few nice walks around there but nothing I would call a
hike.
We didn't do it but they will take you for a ride around the park in
one of these.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/montana/Bad...te%20coach.jpg
If you like getting off the hard road there are lots of cool logging
roads up the side of mountains around there.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/montana/Bad...ing%20road.jpg

[email protected] June 7th 18 01:20 AM

Feakin' Weird
 
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 13:32:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 11:49 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 09:27:45 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 05:58:34 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On 6 Jun 2018 01:36:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:



There’s nothing about towing or sleeping in a camper that appeals to me. I
especially wouldn’t tow one to West Virginia to be at a bluegrass venue at
what likely will be a rainy weekend. I wouldn’t go to a bluegrass concert
at Constitution Hall, and I don’t dislike the music. I used to like the
Dillards.

Harry, you need to stop your fixatin on me and my RV. Go talk to the shrink upstairs about this
issue.

===

If 'Airree owned an RV it would be the finest in the world.


He is really saying his wife wouldn't be caught dead in an RV and she
calls the shots. He also hates America so he has to hate traditional
American music. He lives in his urban east coast enclave, oblivious to
the wonders of this country beyond the very narrow corridor he lives
his life in. He has already said if he moves to South Carolina, he
will never venture west of I-95. He might actually meet some real
Americans. Oh the horror!


There you go again, offering up conclusions based on nothing.


It was not "based" on anything. I just repeated what you said.

[email protected] June 7th 18 01:23 AM

Feakin' Weird
 
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 15:49:36 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/6/2018 12:35 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 06:59:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:



Those Jake brakes are really obnoxious, ought to be totally outlawed
in my opinion.


They are loud but you have to remember that a diesel, unlike a gasoline
engine, does not provide any engine braking when you take your foot
off the gas/fuel pedal. Going down a hill a diesel powered truck will
just keep accelerating and truckers would be replacing expensive brakes
often.



In 'tow/haul' mode, mine will downshift to slow down if I have the cruise control at a slower speed.
Also, going downhill and hitting the brakes will cause it to downshift.


I understand but still, a diesel offers no engine braking like a gas engine.


Not without dumping the compression after the piston goes up anyway.

True North[_2_] June 7th 18 01:39 AM

Feakin' Weird
 
The John flushes his head...
"Holy ****, do you and donneee think of *nothing* besides gay sex, semen, reach-arounds, **** in*
toilets, etc.?"


Look around and see who we have to deal with, JohnnyMop.

Keyser Soze June 7th 18 01:45 AM

Feakin' Weird
 
On 6/6/18 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 13:32:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 11:49 AM,
wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 09:27:45 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 05:58:34 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On 6 Jun 2018 01:36:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:


There’s nothing about towing or sleeping in a camper that appeals to me. I
especially wouldn’t tow one to West Virginia to be at a bluegrass venue at
what likely will be a rainy weekend. I wouldn’t go to a bluegrass concert
at Constitution Hall, and I don’t dislike the music. I used to like the
Dillards.

Harry, you need to stop your fixatin on me and my RV. Go talk to the shrink upstairs about this
issue.

===

If 'Airree owned an RV it would be the finest in the world.

He is really saying his wife wouldn't be caught dead in an RV and she
calls the shots. He also hates America so he has to hate traditional
American music. He lives in his urban east coast enclave, oblivious to
the wonders of this country beyond the very narrow corridor he lives
his life in. He has already said if he moves to South Carolina, he
will never venture west of I-95. He might actually meet some real
Americans. Oh the horror!


There you go again, offering up conclusions based on nothing.


It was not "based" on anything. I just repeated what you said.


1. Neither of us would be caught dead in an RV.
2. My wife and I share calling the shots.
3. I don't hate America.
4. I don't hate traditional music.
5. I'm not oblivious to the wonders of this country. I've lived in a
number of states and traveled in many of them for work and for pleasure.
6. I've been west of I-95 in South Carolina. I doubt I'll wander west of
it again.

I'm not sure what your definition of a real American is. `


[email protected] June 7th 18 02:35 AM

Feakin' Weird
 
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:45:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 8:20 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 13:32:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 11:49 AM,
wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 09:27:45 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 05:58:34 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On 6 Jun 2018 01:36:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:


There’s nothing about towing or sleeping in a camper that appeals to me. I
especially wouldn’t tow one to West Virginia to be at a bluegrass venue at
what likely will be a rainy weekend. I wouldn’t go to a bluegrass concert
at Constitution Hall, and I don’t dislike the music. I used to like the
Dillards.

Harry, you need to stop your fixatin on me and my RV. Go talk to the shrink upstairs about this
issue.

===

If 'Airree owned an RV it would be the finest in the world.

He is really saying his wife wouldn't be caught dead in an RV and she
calls the shots. He also hates America so he has to hate traditional
American music. He lives in his urban east coast enclave, oblivious to
the wonders of this country beyond the very narrow corridor he lives
his life in. He has already said if he moves to South Carolina, he
will never venture west of I-95. He might actually meet some real
Americans. Oh the horror!


There you go again, offering up conclusions based on nothing.


It was not "based" on anything. I just repeated what you said.


1. Neither of us would be caught dead in an RV.

OK I think I said that
2. My wife and I share calling the shots.

OK
3. I don't hate America.

The only thing you seem to like about America is the ability to trash
the president, ridicule the military and **** on the flag without
going to jail.

4. I don't hate traditional music.

I have never heard you say anything good about it. All we ever hear
about your musical taste is how much you like symphony orchestras
playing 18th and 19th century European composers.

5. I'm not oblivious to the wonders of this country. I've lived in a
number of states and traveled in many of them for work and for pleasure.

Did you actually get off the bus/train?

6. I've been west of I-95 in South Carolina. I doubt I'll wander west of
it again.

That is what I said.

I'm not sure what your definition of a real American is. `


The areas away from the big, over congested cities where you can meet
people who still love America.

Bill[_12_] June 7th 18 04:50 AM

Feakin' Weird
 
John H. wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:54:18 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 1:25 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 04:30:19 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 15:43:09 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 13:45:28 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 11:47:49 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:16:30 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/5/18 8:11 AM, Tim wrote:

7:08 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
I think those towing big campers should have to mount a big screen TV on
the outside of the back side of their motel rooms on wheels with cameras
pointing forward on the front of the tow vehicle so that drivers behind
them can see the road ahead. Being behind those behemoths while they bob
and weave and strain to get up hills on the interstate is not a pleasant
experience.

........

Same for semi-trucks?


Actually, no, because most of the big truck drivers know how to drive
and their trailers are heavy enough with large wheels to not wander all
over the lanes or be blown about by the wind, and most of them manage to
get up hills without slowing down too much.

Really? You must not have driven anywhere that has very big hills.
When you actually get to a place that has them, trucks are slow going
up and scary coming down.

===

Yes, and in places like I-81 in Pennsylvania, truckers are prone to
racing each other uphill at 40 mph, side by side of course.

Up is just frustrating, down is scary when you hear that Jake Brake
rapping and they are still gaining on you at 65-70.

===

Those Jake brakes are really obnoxious, ought to be totally outlawed
in my opinion.

If road and traffic conditions are decent I'll just keep accelerating
enough to stay ahead of them. My wife's Benz is very solid at even
90+ and the brakes are superb. There's a lot to be said for German
quality and engineering.


Jacob brakes are godsend for western trucks. Huge mountains.

That is what I was referring to with Harry. He calls those 4000 foot
hills "mountains".


I don't often drive where "western trucks" drive.


What is a 'western truck'? The tractors used out west are the same ones used here.


Trucks that drive mountains and not hills.


Bill[_12_] June 7th 18 04:50 AM

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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/6/18 11:47 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 6/6/18 11:07 AM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 6/6/18 10:04 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 09:43:26 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Wayne.B Wrote in message:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 05:58:34 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On 6 Jun 2018 01:36:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 14:22:32 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/5/2018 8:08 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/5/18 6:29 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/4/2018 8:17 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 16:51:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/4/2018 4:41 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/4/18 4:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Cold, rainy two days so I've been holed up doing next to nothing.

Tired of politics and listening to all the political pundits so
I've been watching a PBS series on Amazon Prime video about
how the human brain works.

Not a lot is understood but what is know is freaking me out.

For example:

Sight. We don't often think about how it works but most assume
it's like a CCD camera or something where images are focused on
the retina, transmitted to the brain via the optic nerves and
we "see".

Doesn't work that way at all.

We are not actually "seeing" anything. What we are visualizing is
the
brain's (specifically the Thalamus section) interpretation of the
electrical impulses it receives via the optical nerves which it
compares to a vast data base of previously acquired and created
visualizations that have been generated, stored and updated since you
first opened
your eyes as an infant. What you "see" is your own, personal
reality and not necessarily what others "see". You "see" a
tree and, unless there's something unique or special about it,
the thalamus just draws from the data previously stored and
adds that to the generated image. The amount of new data
it processes is very small compared to the amount of previously
acquired data it uses to create the visualization.

First time I drove to the store after watching this, I was
thinking about it and started wondering if the car I saw
slowing down ahead of me was really there. :-)




Well, that last thought of yours implies you are eating too many magic
'shrooms. :)



Reminded me of the Nissan Pathfinder I briefly owned. It had the
automatic braking system that would apply the brakes if you were
about to smash into something.

Curious as I was, I decided not to see how well it worked.


I was always afraid it would slam on the brakes when I was pulling a
NASCAR move changing lanes and get me rear ended by a truck.



It must work pretty well. Many car manufacturers have it available as
an option or as standard equipment now-a-days. You don't hear of many
accidents occurring because it activates when it shouldn't.



I think those towing big campers should have to mount a big screen TV on
the outside of the back side of their motel rooms on wheels with cameras
pointing forward on the front of the tow vehicle so that drivers behind
them can see the road ahead. Being behind those behemoths while they bob
and weave and strain to get up hills on the interstate is not a pleasant
experience.


They pay taxes to use the roads just like you do. What's the difference
between being behind one of them or behind a big box or trailer truck?




===

To 'Airree they are a symbol of wealth and success, therefore worthy
of his scorn and ridicule.


There?s nothing about towing or sleeping in a camper that appeals to me. I
especially wouldn?t tow one to West Virginia to be at a bluegrass venue at
what likely will be a rainy weekend. I wouldn?t go to a bluegrass concert
at Constitution Hall, and I don?t dislike the music. I used to like the
Dillards.

Harry, you need to stop your fixatin on me and my RV. Go talk to the shrink
upstairs about this
issue.

===

If 'Airree owned an RV it would be the finest in the world.


The finest RVs start at 2 mil on up. But I suppose if Fat Harry
owned a Hatteras, the finest RV wouldn't be beyond his
reach.

===

If you can afford an imaginary Hatteras, then an imaginary RV or two
should be well within reach.


I have no interest in towing, driving, or sleeping in an RV.


You can't see much looking out an airplane window.


And you don't have to see not much looking out that window before you
get to your destination. We're heading out to the Pacific Northwest this
summer for a few weeks, with a side cruise to Alaska. We don't want to
waste four days driving, say, to Seattle, and then wasting four days
driving back. It's a six hour nonstop flight to Seattle. We've been to
most of the states between here and there for work and play. I haven't
been to Idaho, but my wife has.

Hey, you apparently like to go slow and stop. We don't.


Have a fun trip. You can see the USA another time if you are so
inclined.
You are so much like the old junk man's horse. You have blinders
on and go where you ars steered.


I've seen a lot of the USA.


Flying over it. And business trips do not really leave a lot of
sightseeing time. My wife saw more of Singapore in one trip I took her on
than I did in several trips. I spent the days working.


Bill[_12_] June 7th 18 04:50 AM

Feakin' Weird
 
John H. wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 15:49:36 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 6/6/2018 12:35 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 06:59:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:



Those Jake brakes are really obnoxious, ought to be totally outlawed
in my opinion.


They are loud but you have to remember that a diesel, unlike a gasoline
engine, does not provide any engine braking when you take your foot
off the gas/fuel pedal. Going down a hill a diesel powered truck will
just keep accelerating and truckers would be replacing expensive brakes
often.



In 'tow/haul' mode, mine will downshift to slow down if I have the
cruise control at a slower speed.
Also, going downhill and hitting the brakes will cause it to downshift.


I understand but still, a diesel offers no engine braking like a gas engine.


I haven't figured out how it works, but the engine RPM goes up as the
truck is slowing down -
without me using the brake. It sure sounds and feels like the engine is
slowing the truck down
somehow.

Changes valve timing I understand. Makes it more a compressor. And the
fuel is shut off.


Bill[_12_] June 7th 18 04:50 AM

Feakin' Weird
 
wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 11:26:16 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

And you don't have to see not much looking out that window before you
get to your destination. We're heading out to the Pacific Northwest this
summer for a few weeks, with a side cruise to Alaska. We don't want to
waste four days driving, say, to Seattle, and then wasting four days
driving back. It's a six hour nonstop flight to Seattle. We've been to
most of the states between here and there for work and play. I haven't
been to Idaho, but my wife has.


I hope you actually get off the tour bus and take a hike. There are
some wonderful things to see out there but the best ones are more than
100 yards from the parking lot. Same with Alaska.
In Oregon I liked the area around Mt. Hood the best. Great hikes and
we had a really nice house we rented. This is looking up from the
creek out back
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Oregon/Mt%20Hood/Cabin.jpg
If you don't mind a 700' vertical climb and some flat walking on the
Pacific Coast trail, this view is a nice "reward". (Top Spur trail)
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Oregon/Mt%2...top%20spur.jpg

I would skip Bend unless you like extinct volcanos.
If you are going to the beach, Yahats is better than Cannon Beach or
anything closer to Portland. (unless you really like tourist traps)
but Cannon Beach does have it's charm. You aren't getting in the water
anyway, not without a wet suit.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Oregon/Pac%...h%20sunset.jpg
You can build a fire on Cannon Beach.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Oregon/Pac%...%20Bea ch.jpg




Bend has the Erickson aircraft museum.


Bill[_12_] June 7th 18 04:50 AM

Feakin' Weird
 
wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 16:40:11 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/6/18 9:13 AM, justan wrote:
John H. Wrote in message:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 00:22:19 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 15:51:33 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 12:57:09 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/5/18 11:47 AM,
wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:16:30 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/5/18 8:11 AM, Tim wrote:

7:08 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
I think those towing big campers should have to mount a big screen TV on
the outside of the back side of their motel rooms on wheels with cameras
pointing forward on the front of the tow vehicle so that drivers behind
them can see the road ahead. Being behind those behemoths while they bob
and weave and strain to get up hills on the interstate is not a pleasant
experience.

........

Same for semi-trucks?


Actually, no, because most of the big truck drivers know how to drive
and their trailers are heavy enough with large wheels to not wander all
over the lanes or be blown about by the wind, and most of them manage to
get up hills without slowing down too much.

Really? You must not have driven anywhere that has very big hills.
When you actually get to a place that has them, trucks are slow going
up and scary coming down.


We drove up to Morgantown a few weeks ago. Lots of hills, lots of semis,
couple of buses, too many badly driven trucks towing campers.

Ant hills?


Hills with “escape roads” for runaway trucks.

And the trucks do not slow down going up hill? I call bull****.

Yes, they slow down. That's why they have truck lanes on many of those
hills. The hills around
Morgantown, coming in on I-68, are no fun whatsoever. Going up, for me,
is no problem. Coming down I
keep my speed down to 50mph or less.

From the way Harry talks, I'm wondering if he's making up the whole thing.


Fat Harry is an I95 kind of guy. He doesn't know there are other
more pleasant north south routes



I don't find anything "pleasant" about a long drive to Florida, or even
Hilton Head. My interest is in getting to my destination as quickly as
possible, at, at most, a couple of MPHs over the posted speed limit,
just enough to not attract the attention of the local or state mounties.

I do take 301 from southern Maryland to Hanover, Virginia, and then cut
over to I-95 north of Richmond. Saves me the aggravation of I-95 from
Herring's 'hood to Richmond. 301 can be pleasant once you get over the
Potomac River bridge.


You miss the journey and the nice things along the way. We are planning a
Glacier Nat’l park trip later this summer. Stop first Lava beds National
monument. Lewiston, ID for a jet boat trip to the dam on the Snake.
Flathead lake. Some Lewis and Clark places. Glacier and Waterton Park
in Canada. Enjoy a leisurely trip. Seems as if go to Europe, would be a
trip to Paris, or some other city. Not a region.


Glacier is pretty nice and not nearly as crowded as Yellowstone.
We walked around there for a day or two. This is McDonald Lake
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/montana/Bad...20Mcdonald.jpg
There are a few nice walks around there but nothing I would call a
hike.
We didn't do it but they will take you for a ride around the park in
one of these.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/montana/Bad...te%20coach.jpg
If you like getting off the hard road there are lots of cool logging
roads up the side of mountains around there.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/montana/Bad...ing%20road.jpg


Going to use the red bus for the going to the sun highway. They can drive
while I watch. Also they know where the rare animals are. We used the
Yellowstone version and saw 90% of the wolf’s in Yellowstone about 5 years
ago.


Bill[_12_] June 7th 18 04:50 AM

Feakin' Weird
 
True North wrote:
The John flushes his head...
"Holy ****, do you and donneee think of *nothing* besides gay sex, semen,
reach-arounds, **** in*
toilets, etc.?"


Look around and see who we have to deal with, JohnnyMop.


You think ****, so everything is **** to you.


Boating All Out June 7th 18 10:34 AM

Feakin' Weird
 
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:45:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


I'm not sure what your definition of a real American is. `


The areas away from the big, over congested cities where you can meet
people who still love America.


Pure cracker, or is just voting for Trump enough?
This is an interesting map. Might scare you though.
https://tinyurl.com/y83xn8jm

John H.[_5_] June 7th 18 10:46 AM

Feakin' Weird
 
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 17:39:22 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:

The John flushes his head...
"Holy ****, do you and donneee think of *nothing* besides gay sex, semen, reach-arounds, **** in*
toilets, etc.?"


Look around and see who we have to deal with, JohnnyMop.


You and Harry bringing out the best in each other?

John H.[_5_] June 7th 18 10:48 AM

Feakin' Weird
 
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 20:07:14 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 11:26:16 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

And you don't have to see not much looking out that window before you
get to your destination. We're heading out to the Pacific Northwest this
summer for a few weeks, with a side cruise to Alaska. We don't want to
waste four days driving, say, to Seattle, and then wasting four days
driving back. It's a six hour nonstop flight to Seattle. We've been to
most of the states between here and there for work and play. I haven't
been to Idaho, but my wife has.


I hope you actually get off the tour bus and take a hike. There are
some wonderful things to see out there but the best ones are more than
100 yards from the parking lot. Same with Alaska.
In Oregon I liked the area around Mt. Hood the best. Great hikes and
we had a really nice house we rented. This is looking up from the
creek out back
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Oregon/Mt%20Hood/Cabin.jpg
If you don't mind a 700' vertical climb and some flat walking on the
Pacific Coast trail, this view is a nice "reward". (Top Spur trail)
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Oregon/Mt%2...top%20spur.jpg

I would skip Bend unless you like extinct volcanos.
If you are going to the beach, Yahats is better than Cannon Beach or
anything closer to Portland. (unless you really like tourist traps)
but Cannon Beach does have it's charm. You aren't getting in the water
anyway, not without a wet suit.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Oregon/Pac%...h%20sunset.jpg
You can build a fire on Cannon Beach.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Oregon/Pac%...%20Bea ch.jpg


I cannot imagine Harry getting far from the comforts of the tour bus. I'm sure his first question
for the driver will be, "Do you have WiFi so I can get on rec.boats?"

John H.[_5_] June 7th 18 10:49 AM

Feakin' Weird
 
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 20:10:27 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 12:36:38 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:54:18 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 1:25 AM,
wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 04:30:19 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 15:43:09 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 13:45:28 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 11:47:49 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:16:30 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/5/18 8:11 AM, Tim wrote:

7:08 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
I think those towing big campers should have to mount a big screen TV on
the outside of the back side of their motel rooms on wheels with cameras
pointing forward on the front of the tow vehicle so that drivers behind
them can see the road ahead. Being behind those behemoths while they bob
and weave and strain to get up hills on the interstate is not a pleasant
experience.

........

Same for semi-trucks?


Actually, no, because most of the big truck drivers know how to drive
and their trailers are heavy enough with large wheels to not wander all
over the lanes or be blown about by the wind, and most of them manage to
get up hills without slowing down too much.

Really? You must not have driven anywhere that has very big hills.
When you actually get to a place that has them, trucks are slow going
up and scary coming down.

===

Yes, and in places like I-81 in Pennsylvania, truckers are prone to
racing each other uphill at 40 mph, side by side of course.

Up is just frustrating, down is scary when you hear that Jake Brake
rapping and they are still gaining on you at 65-70.

===

Those Jake brakes are really obnoxious, ought to be totally outlawed
in my opinion.

If road and traffic conditions are decent I'll just keep accelerating
enough to stay ahead of them. My wife's Benz is very solid at even
90+ and the brakes are superb. There's a lot to be said for German
quality and engineering.


Jacob brakes are godsend for western trucks. Huge mountains.

That is what I was referring to with Harry. He calls those 4000 foot
hills "mountains".


I don't often drive where "western trucks" drive.


What is a 'western truck'? The tractors used out west are the same ones used here.


They haul longer trailers and a lot of times, 2 at a time.


I'm seeing double trailers frequently in the east now also.

John H.[_5_] June 7th 18 10:56 AM

Feakin' Weird
 
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 20:23:13 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 15:49:36 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/6/2018 12:35 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 06:59:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:



Those Jake brakes are really obnoxious, ought to be totally outlawed
in my opinion.


They are loud but you have to remember that a diesel, unlike a gasoline
engine, does not provide any engine braking when you take your foot
off the gas/fuel pedal. Going down a hill a diesel powered truck will
just keep accelerating and truckers would be replacing expensive brakes
often.



In 'tow/haul' mode, mine will downshift to slow down if I have the cruise control at a slower speed.
Also, going downhill and hitting the brakes will cause it to downshift.


I understand but still, a diesel offers no engine braking like a gas engine.


Not without dumping the compression after the piston goes up anyway.


Maybe that's what my truck does in 'tow/haul' mode.

John H.[_5_] June 7th 18 11:06 AM

Feakin' Weird
 
On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 04:34:26 -0500, Boating All Out wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:45:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


I'm not sure what your definition of a real American is. `


The areas away from the big, over congested cities where you can meet
people who still love America.


Pure cracker, or is just voting for Trump enough?
This is an interesting map. Might scare you though.
https://tinyurl.com/y83xn8jm


If blue represented welfare recipients and red represented working taxpayers, the map would look
almost the same, no?

Go back to bed.

Mr. Luddite[_4_] June 7th 18 11:33 AM

Feakin' Weird
 
On 6/6/2018 7:42 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 15:49:36 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 6/6/2018 12:35 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 06:59:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:



Those Jake brakes are really obnoxious, ought to be totally outlawed
in my opinion.


They are loud but you have to remember that a diesel, unlike a gasoline
engine, does not provide any engine braking when you take your foot
off the gas/fuel pedal. Going down a hill a diesel powered truck will
just keep accelerating and truckers would be replacing expensive brakes
often.



In 'tow/haul' mode, mine will downshift to slow down if I have the cruise control at a slower speed.
Also, going downhill and hitting the brakes will cause it to downshift.


I understand but still, a diesel offers no engine braking like a gas engine.


I haven't figured out how it works, but the engine RPM goes up as the truck is slowing down -
without me using the brake. It sure sounds and feels like the engine is slowing the truck down
somehow.



Some HD GM and Ford pickups have an exhaust brake that works with the
turbocharger. It's not a "Jake" brake and is not noisy like those on
big trucks. The Ford F-350 diesel I had (2005) had one. Mine had
no "control" or off/on switch like in the video (below).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLLOE2sV6SI

Mr. Luddite[_4_] June 7th 18 11:37 AM

Feakin' Weird
 
On 6/6/2018 11:50 PM, Bill wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 15:49:36 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 6/6/2018 12:35 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 06:59:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:



Those Jake brakes are really obnoxious, ought to be totally outlawed
in my opinion.


They are loud but you have to remember that a diesel, unlike a gasoline
engine, does not provide any engine braking when you take your foot
off the gas/fuel pedal. Going down a hill a diesel powered truck will
just keep accelerating and truckers would be replacing expensive brakes
often.



In 'tow/haul' mode, mine will downshift to slow down if I have the
cruise control at a slower speed.
Also, going downhill and hitting the brakes will cause it to downshift.


I understand but still, a diesel offers no engine braking like a gas engine.


I haven't figured out how it works, but the engine RPM goes up as the
truck is slowing down -
without me using the brake. It sure sounds and feels like the engine is
slowing the truck down
somehow.

Changes valve timing I understand. Makes it more a compressor. And the
fuel is shut off.



It works with the turbocharger. Transmission downshifts, increasing
engine RPM which increases turbo PSI. It's an "exhaust"
brake but not the same as a Jake brake used in large trucks.

Mr. Luddite[_4_] June 7th 18 11:39 AM

Feakin' Weird
 
On 6/7/2018 5:56 AM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 20:23:13 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 15:49:36 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/6/2018 12:35 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 06:59:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:



Those Jake brakes are really obnoxious, ought to be totally outlawed
in my opinion.


They are loud but you have to remember that a diesel, unlike a gasoline
engine, does not provide any engine braking when you take your foot
off the gas/fuel pedal. Going down a hill a diesel powered truck will
just keep accelerating and truckers would be replacing expensive brakes
often.



In 'tow/haul' mode, mine will downshift to slow down if I have the cruise control at a slower speed.
Also, going downhill and hitting the brakes will cause it to downshift.


I understand but still, a diesel offers no engine braking like a gas engine.


Not without dumping the compression after the piston goes up anyway.


Maybe that's what my truck does in 'tow/haul' mode.



Ah, that's what turned the turbo "exhaust brake" on in the Ford I had.
It works when you use the tow/haul mode.

Keyser Soze June 7th 18 12:47 PM

Feakin' Weird
 
On 6/6/18 9:35 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:45:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 8:20 PM,
wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 13:32:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 11:49 AM,
wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 09:27:45 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 05:58:34 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On 6 Jun 2018 01:36:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:


There’s nothing about towing or sleeping in a camper that appeals to me. I
especially wouldn’t tow one to West Virginia to be at a bluegrass venue at
what likely will be a rainy weekend. I wouldn’t go to a bluegrass concert
at Constitution Hall, and I don’t dislike the music. I used to like the
Dillards.

Harry, you need to stop your fixatin on me and my RV. Go talk to the shrink upstairs about this
issue.

===

If 'Airree owned an RV it would be the finest in the world.

He is really saying his wife wouldn't be caught dead in an RV and she
calls the shots. He also hates America so he has to hate traditional
American music. He lives in his urban east coast enclave, oblivious to
the wonders of this country beyond the very narrow corridor he lives
his life in. He has already said if he moves to South Carolina, he
will never venture west of I-95. He might actually meet some real
Americans. Oh the horror!


There you go again, offering up conclusions based on nothing.

It was not "based" on anything. I just repeated what you said.


1. Neither of us would be caught dead in an RV.

OK I think I said that
2. My wife and I share calling the shots.

OK
3. I don't hate America.

The only thing you seem to like about America is the ability to trash
the president, ridicule the military and **** on the flag without
going to jail.

4. I don't hate traditional music.

I have never heard you say anything good about it. All we ever hear
about your musical taste is how much you like symphony orchestras
playing 18th and 19th century European composers.

5. I'm not oblivious to the wonders of this country. I've lived in a
number of states and traveled in many of them for work and for pleasure.

Did you actually get off the bus/train?

6. I've been west of I-95 in South Carolina. I doubt I'll wander west of
it again.

That is what I said.

I'm not sure what your definition of a real American is. `


The areas away from the big, over congested cities where you can meet
people who still love America.



3. Wrong. I love my country when it acts the way it should and doesn't
act the way you conservatives want.

4. So?

5. Yes.

I'm not interested in meeting any more small-minded, isolated people who
live in rural areas and who hate blacks, Latinos, Catholics, Muslims,
Jews, and love Trump. Your kind of 'Mericans, eh?

Bill[_12_] June 7th 18 04:36 PM

Feakin' Weird
 
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/6/18 9:35 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:45:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 8:20 PM,
wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 13:32:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 11:49 AM,
wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 09:27:45 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 05:58:34 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On 6 Jun 2018 01:36:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:


There’s nothing about towing or sleeping in a camper that appeals to me. I
especially wouldn’t tow one to West Virginia to be at a bluegrass venue at
what likely will be a rainy weekend. I wouldn’t go to a bluegrass concert
at Constitution Hall, and I don’t dislike the music. I used to like the
Dillards.

Harry, you need to stop your fixatin on me and my RV. Go talk to
the shrink upstairs about this
issue.

===

If 'Airree owned an RV it would be the finest in the world.

He is really saying his wife wouldn't be caught dead in an RV and she
calls the shots. He also hates America so he has to hate traditional
American music. He lives in his urban east coast enclave, oblivious to
the wonders of this country beyond the very narrow corridor he lives
his life in. He has already said if he moves to South Carolina, he
will never venture west of I-95. He might actually meet some real
Americans. Oh the horror!


There you go again, offering up conclusions based on nothing.

It was not "based" on anything. I just repeated what you said.


1. Neither of us would be caught dead in an RV.

OK I think I said that
2. My wife and I share calling the shots.

OK
3. I don't hate America.

The only thing you seem to like about America is the ability to trash
the president, ridicule the military and **** on the flag without
going to jail.

4. I don't hate traditional music.

I have never heard you say anything good about it. All we ever hear
about your musical taste is how much you like symphony orchestras
playing 18th and 19th century European composers.

5. I'm not oblivious to the wonders of this country. I've lived in a
number of states and traveled in many of them for work and for pleasure.

Did you actually get off the bus/train?

6. I've been west of I-95 in South Carolina. I doubt I'll wander west of
it again.

That is what I said.

I'm not sure what your definition of a real American is. `


The areas away from the big, over congested cities where you can meet
people who still love America.



3. Wrong. I love my country when it acts the way it should and doesn't
act the way you conservatives want.

4. So?

5. Yes.

I'm not interested in meeting any more small-minded, isolated people who
live in rural areas and who hate blacks, Latinos, Catholics, Muslims,
Jews, and love Trump. Your kind of 'Mericans, eh?


How do you know what kind of people they are? You avoid anybody but
Northeast Liberals with a passion.


Keyser Soze June 7th 18 05:26 PM

Feakin' Weird
 
On 6/7/18 11:36 AM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/6/18 9:35 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:45:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 8:20 PM,
wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 13:32:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 11:49 AM,
wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 09:27:45 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 05:58:34 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On 6 Jun 2018 01:36:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:


There’s nothing about towing or sleeping in a camper that appeals to me. I
especially wouldn’t tow one to West Virginia to be at a bluegrass venue at
what likely will be a rainy weekend. I wouldn’t go to a bluegrass concert
at Constitution Hall, and I don’t dislike the music. I used to like the
Dillards.

Harry, you need to stop your fixatin on me and my RV. Go talk to
the shrink upstairs about this
issue.

===

If 'Airree owned an RV it would be the finest in the world.

He is really saying his wife wouldn't be caught dead in an RV and she
calls the shots. He also hates America so he has to hate traditional
American music. He lives in his urban east coast enclave, oblivious to
the wonders of this country beyond the very narrow corridor he lives
his life in. He has already said if he moves to South Carolina, he
will never venture west of I-95. He might actually meet some real
Americans. Oh the horror!


There you go again, offering up conclusions based on nothing.

It was not "based" on anything. I just repeated what you said.


1. Neither of us would be caught dead in an RV.
OK I think I said that
2. My wife and I share calling the shots.
OK
3. I don't hate America.
The only thing you seem to like about America is the ability to trash
the president, ridicule the military and **** on the flag without
going to jail.

4. I don't hate traditional music.
I have never heard you say anything good about it. All we ever hear
about your musical taste is how much you like symphony orchestras
playing 18th and 19th century European composers.

5. I'm not oblivious to the wonders of this country. I've lived in a
number of states and traveled in many of them for work and for pleasure.
Did you actually get off the bus/train?

6. I've been west of I-95 in South Carolina. I doubt I'll wander west of
it again.
That is what I said.

I'm not sure what your definition of a real American is. `

The areas away from the big, over congested cities where you can meet
people who still love America.



3. Wrong. I love my country when it acts the way it should and doesn't
act the way you conservatives want.

4. So?

5. Yes.

I'm not interested in meeting any more small-minded, isolated people who
live in rural areas and who hate blacks, Latinos, Catholics, Muslims,
Jews, and love Trump. Your kind of 'Mericans, eh?


How do you know what kind of people they are? You avoid anybody but
Northeast Liberals with a passion.


More ignorance and stupidity on your part.

[email protected] June 7th 18 06:15 PM

Feakin' Weird
 
On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 04:34:26 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:45:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


I'm not sure what your definition of a real American is. `


The areas away from the big, over congested cities where you can meet
people who still love America.


Pure cracker, or is just voting for Trump enough?
This is an interesting map. Might scare you though.
https://tinyurl.com/y83xn8jm


Nothing surprising there at all but if I was going on vacation I would
get out of those blue areas as fast as my rental car would take me.
I do question the map you linked tho. They show far too much blue in
Southwest Florida where the democrats don't even bother to run a
candidate for most local offices.
Hillary got 37% of the vote in Lee County, 35% in Collier County, 34%
in Charlotte County
Where did all the blue dots come from? Are blue dots bigger than red
ones? I call bull****.

[email protected] June 7th 18 06:16 PM

Feakin' Weird
 
On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 05:49:20 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 20:10:27 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 12:36:38 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:54:18 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 1:25 AM,
wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 04:30:19 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 15:43:09 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 13:45:28 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2018 11:47:49 -0400,
wrote:

On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 08:16:30 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/5/18 8:11 AM, Tim wrote:

7:08 AMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
I think those towing big campers should have to mount a big screen TV on
the outside of the back side of their motel rooms on wheels with cameras
pointing forward on the front of the tow vehicle so that drivers behind
them can see the road ahead. Being behind those behemoths while they bob
and weave and strain to get up hills on the interstate is not a pleasant
experience.

........

Same for semi-trucks?


Actually, no, because most of the big truck drivers know how to drive
and their trailers are heavy enough with large wheels to not wander all
over the lanes or be blown about by the wind, and most of them manage to
get up hills without slowing down too much.

Really? You must not have driven anywhere that has very big hills.
When you actually get to a place that has them, trucks are slow going
up and scary coming down.

===

Yes, and in places like I-81 in Pennsylvania, truckers are prone to
racing each other uphill at 40 mph, side by side of course.

Up is just frustrating, down is scary when you hear that Jake Brake
rapping and they are still gaining on you at 65-70.

===

Those Jake brakes are really obnoxious, ought to be totally outlawed
in my opinion.

If road and traffic conditions are decent I'll just keep accelerating
enough to stay ahead of them. My wife's Benz is very solid at even
90+ and the brakes are superb. There's a lot to be said for German
quality and engineering.


Jacob brakes are godsend for western trucks. Huge mountains.

That is what I was referring to with Harry. He calls those 4000 foot
hills "mountains".


I don't often drive where "western trucks" drive.

What is a 'western truck'? The tractors used out west are the same ones used here.


They haul longer trailers and a lot of times, 2 at a time.


I'm seeing double trailers frequently in the east now also.


That used to be illegal. I suppose those mobbed up Teamsters union
guys bought off someone.

Keyser Soze June 7th 18 06:17 PM

Feakin' Weird
 
On 6/7/18 1:15 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 04:34:26 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:45:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


I'm not sure what your definition of a real American is. `

The areas away from the big, over congested cities where you can meet
people who still love America.


Pure cracker, or is just voting for Trump enough?
This is an interesting map. Might scare you though.
https://tinyurl.com/y83xn8jm


Nothing surprising there at all but if I was going on vacation I would
get out of those blue areas as fast as my rental car would take me.


Yeah, I appreciate you are scared to death of intelligent, educated,
informed people.

[email protected] June 7th 18 06:19 PM

Feakin' Weird
 
On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 06:33:38 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 6/6/2018 7:42 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 15:49:36 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 6/6/2018 12:35 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 06:59:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:



Those Jake brakes are really obnoxious, ought to be totally outlawed
in my opinion.


They are loud but you have to remember that a diesel, unlike a gasoline
engine, does not provide any engine braking when you take your foot
off the gas/fuel pedal. Going down a hill a diesel powered truck will
just keep accelerating and truckers would be replacing expensive brakes
often.



In 'tow/haul' mode, mine will downshift to slow down if I have the cruise control at a slower speed.
Also, going downhill and hitting the brakes will cause it to downshift.


I understand but still, a diesel offers no engine braking like a gas engine.


I haven't figured out how it works, but the engine RPM goes up as the truck is slowing down -
without me using the brake. It sure sounds and feels like the engine is slowing the truck down
somehow.



Some HD GM and Ford pickups have an exhaust brake that works with the
turbocharger. It's not a "Jake" brake and is not noisy like those on
big trucks. The Ford F-350 diesel I had (2005) had one. Mine had
no "control" or off/on switch like in the video (below).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLLOE2sV6SI


I suspect they could put mufflers on the exhaust port of the Jake
brakes. If enough places outlaw them I bet they do.

[email protected] June 7th 18 06:26 PM

Feakin' Weird
 
On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 07:47:28 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 9:35 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:45:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 8:20 PM,
wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 13:32:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 11:49 AM,
wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 09:27:45 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 05:58:34 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On 6 Jun 2018 01:36:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:


There’s nothing about towing or sleeping in a camper that appeals to me. I
especially wouldn’t tow one to West Virginia to be at a bluegrass venue at
what likely will be a rainy weekend. I wouldn’t go to a bluegrass concert
at Constitution Hall, and I don’t dislike the music. I used to like the
Dillards.

Harry, you need to stop your fixatin on me and my RV. Go talk to the shrink upstairs about this
issue.

===

If 'Airree owned an RV it would be the finest in the world.

He is really saying his wife wouldn't be caught dead in an RV and she
calls the shots. He also hates America so he has to hate traditional
American music. He lives in his urban east coast enclave, oblivious to
the wonders of this country beyond the very narrow corridor he lives
his life in. He has already said if he moves to South Carolina, he
will never venture west of I-95. He might actually meet some real
Americans. Oh the horror!


There you go again, offering up conclusions based on nothing.

It was not "based" on anything. I just repeated what you said.


1. Neither of us would be caught dead in an RV.

OK I think I said that
2. My wife and I share calling the shots.

OK
3. I don't hate America.

The only thing you seem to like about America is the ability to trash
the president, ridicule the military and **** on the flag without
going to jail.

4. I don't hate traditional music.

I have never heard you say anything good about it. All we ever hear
about your musical taste is how much you like symphony orchestras
playing 18th and 19th century European composers.

5. I'm not oblivious to the wonders of this country. I've lived in a
number of states and traveled in many of them for work and for pleasure.

Did you actually get off the bus/train?

6. I've been west of I-95 in South Carolina. I doubt I'll wander west of
it again.

That is what I said.

I'm not sure what your definition of a real American is. `


The areas away from the big, over congested cities where you can meet
people who still love America.



3. Wrong. I love my country when it acts the way it should and doesn't
act the way you conservatives want.

4. So?

5. Yes.

I'm not interested in meeting any more small-minded, isolated people who
live in rural areas and who hate blacks, Latinos, Catholics, Muslims,
Jews, and love Trump. Your kind of 'Mericans, eh?


Nice deflection but I still have not heard you say anything about how
you like traditional American music, bluegrass, country/western or
even Motown.
I have also not heard you say much about visiting anywhere out of the
urban areas or you would understand those people are not the bigots
you depict them to be. The fact is when you run into black people in
the Dakotas, rural Colorado or Idaho, they are not your typical urban
thugs or welfare cheats and their neighbors usually like them. The
same is true of Latinos.

Keyser Soze June 7th 18 06:43 PM

Feakin' Weird
 
On 6/7/18 1:26 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 07:47:28 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 9:35 PM,
wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:45:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 8:20 PM,
wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 13:32:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 11:49 AM,
wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 09:27:45 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 05:58:34 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On 6 Jun 2018 01:36:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:


There’s nothing about towing or sleeping in a camper that appeals to me. I
especially wouldn’t tow one to West Virginia to be at a bluegrass venue at
what likely will be a rainy weekend. I wouldn’t go to a bluegrass concert
at Constitution Hall, and I don’t dislike the music. I used to like the
Dillards.

Harry, you need to stop your fixatin on me and my RV. Go talk to the shrink upstairs about this
issue.

===

If 'Airree owned an RV it would be the finest in the world.

He is really saying his wife wouldn't be caught dead in an RV and she
calls the shots. He also hates America so he has to hate traditional
American music. He lives in his urban east coast enclave, oblivious to
the wonders of this country beyond the very narrow corridor he lives
his life in. He has already said if he moves to South Carolina, he
will never venture west of I-95. He might actually meet some real
Americans. Oh the horror!


There you go again, offering up conclusions based on nothing.

It was not "based" on anything. I just repeated what you said.


1. Neither of us would be caught dead in an RV.
OK I think I said that
2. My wife and I share calling the shots.
OK
3. I don't hate America.
The only thing you seem to like about America is the ability to trash
the president, ridicule the military and **** on the flag without
going to jail.

4. I don't hate traditional music.
I have never heard you say anything good about it. All we ever hear
about your musical taste is how much you like symphony orchestras
playing 18th and 19th century European composers.

5. I'm not oblivious to the wonders of this country. I've lived in a
number of states and traveled in many of them for work and for pleasure.
Did you actually get off the bus/train?

6. I've been west of I-95 in South Carolina. I doubt I'll wander west of
it again.
That is what I said.

I'm not sure what your definition of a real American is. `

The areas away from the big, over congested cities where you can meet
people who still love America.



3. Wrong. I love my country when it acts the way it should and doesn't
act the way you conservatives want.

4. So?

5. Yes.

I'm not interested in meeting any more small-minded, isolated people who
live in rural areas and who hate blacks, Latinos, Catholics, Muslims,
Jews, and love Trump. Your kind of 'Mericans, eh?


Nice deflection but I still have not heard you say anything about how
you like traditional American music, bluegrass, country/western or
even Motown.
I have also not heard you say much about visiting anywhere out of the
urban areas or you would understand those people are not the bigots
you depict them to be. The fact is when you run into black people in
the Dakotas, rural Colorado or Idaho, they are not your typical urban
thugs or welfare cheats and their neighbors usually like them. The
same is true of Latinos.


As I have stated, I used to like some bluegrass music, but my tastes
have evolved over the years. Now, it all seems to sound the same to me.
I still like acoustic folk music, with or without voices. I like jazz, I
like the old Motown sounds.

I know a good number of "urbanized" blacks, Latinos, et cetera. None of
them are thugs or welfare cheats. One of our closet friends is a black
psychologist from rural Virginia who managed to get his doctorate a few
years ago from George Washington University.

Mr. Luddite[_4_] June 7th 18 09:15 PM

Feakin' Weird
 
On 6/7/2018 3:44 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 6/6/18 9:35 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:45:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 8:20 PM,
wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 13:32:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/6/18 11:49 AM,
wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 09:27:45 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 05:58:34 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On 6 Jun 2018 01:36:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:


There’s nothing about towing or sleeping in a camper that appeals to me. I
especially wouldn’t tow one to West Virginia to be at a bluegrass venue at
what likely will be a rainy weekend. I wouldn’t go to a bluegrass concert
at Constitution Hall, and I don’t dislike the music. I used to like the
Dillards.

Harry, you need to stop your fixatin on me and my RV. Go talk to
the shrink upstairs about this
issue.

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If 'Airree owned an RV it would be the finest in the world.

He is really saying his wife wouldn't be caught dead in an RV and she
calls the shots. He also hates America so he has to hate traditional
American music. He lives in his urban east coast enclave, oblivious to
the wonders of this country beyond the very narrow corridor he lives
his life in. He has already said if he moves to South Carolina, he
will never venture west of I-95. He might actually meet some real
Americans. Oh the horror!


There you go again, offering up conclusions based on nothing.

It was not "based" on anything. I just repeated what you said.


1. Neither of us would be caught dead in an RV.
OK I think I said that
2. My wife and I share calling the shots.
OK
3. I don't hate America.
The only thing you seem to like about America is the ability to trash
the president, ridicule the military and **** on the flag without
going to jail.

4. I don't hate traditional music.
I have never heard you say anything good about it. All we ever hear
about your musical taste is how much you like symphony orchestras
playing 18th and 19th century European composers.

5. I'm not oblivious to the wonders of this country. I've lived in a
number of states and traveled in many of them for work and for pleasure.
Did you actually get off the bus/train?

6. I've been west of I-95 in South Carolina. I doubt I'll wander west of
it again.
That is what I said.

I'm not sure what your definition of a real American is. `

The areas away from the big, over congested cities where you can meet
people who still love America.



3. Wrong. I love my country when it acts the way it should and doesn't
act the way you conservatives want.

4. So?

5. Yes.

I'm not interested in meeting any more small-minded, isolated people who
live in rural areas and who hate blacks, Latinos, Catholics, Muslims,
Jews, and love Trump. Your kind of 'Mericans, eh?


How do you know what kind of people they are? You avoid anybody but
Northeast Liberals with a passion.



Do you work at being ignorant or does it come naturally to you. I interact
with people who are all over this country...even Texans.



We've noticed how you interact with others ... especially those who
don't agree with your political ideology.



[email protected] June 7th 18 09:38 PM

Feakin' Weird
 
On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 13:17:02 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 6/7/18 1:15 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 04:34:26 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:45:23 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:


I'm not sure what your definition of a real American is. `

The areas away from the big, over congested cities where you can meet
people who still love America.

Pure cracker, or is just voting for Trump enough?
This is an interesting map. Might scare you though.
https://tinyurl.com/y83xn8jm


Nothing surprising there at all but if I was going on vacation I would
get out of those blue areas as fast as my rental car would take me.


Yeah, I appreciate you are scared to death of intelligent, educated,
informed people.


Unfortunately that is not what I usually see there and I am not really
"scared" of much of anything. I can certainly hold my own in a
conversation with just about anyone, on a wide range of subjects
without having to talk about anal sex, masturbation or fellatio and
that seems to be beyond your capabilities.


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