Nevertheless, your theory is discredited by the fact that GDP currently
stands at a figure that is almost 11% higher than when Bush took office.

Maybe your primary residence is more clever than mine, or anybody else that I
know. Most of our houses haven't "produced" a darn thing (as in "gross domestic
product") yet the spike in selling prices (not to be confused with values)
inspired by the temporarily low interest rates is reflected in the GDP numbers.

Without the artificial "product" of escalating real estate prices (further
splitting the haves and the have-nots in this country) the GDP number would
reflect actual economic "growth" and would most likely be a negative number.

On 30 Oct 2003 15:55:47 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

NOYB:

I thought you guys on the right were business savvy.

Yeah, once you screw something up *tremendously*, it's easier to post some
pretty impressive percentage numbers as the rebound begins.

Example: Your practice is capable of handling 20 patients per day. You begin
spouting off about your politics while your victims (er, I mean patients) are
strapped into the chair with a mouth full of crap and unable to respond. Your
patient load drops from 20 per day to 5. You finally realize that dentistry and
politics don't mix, and shut the heck up. Your patient load goes from 5
patients per day to 8. Wo ho! Brilliant management! You just posted a 60%
increase. :-)

I once took over a sales situation where I achieved a 120% increase in less
than six months. But it wasn't any big deal, all I really did was get
production up to about where it should have been all along. That percentage
increase sure looked good on the resume for a while, though.

I guess we can all be thankful that one of our longer and deeper recessions may
be coming to an end in many places throughout the country. The West Coast is
seeing no part of it. You know it *must* have been the tax cuts. This is the
very first time that the economy *ever* recovered from a recession, right?

Get thou real, Doc. :-)

Meanwhile, back at the Crawford Ranch,
the R controlled White House and the R controlled Congress have increased our
national debt 43 BILLION DOLLARS since
October 1st. Why all the outrage about 87 billion for Iraq? We're peeing that
away as a matter of course every 60 days as it is.

It's all part of the PNAC's agenda to move to a British capital, imperialist
system.
We will have to raise interest rates to attract enough investors to shoulder
this debt, and at that time those few people sitting on hundreds of millions in
cash will be on easy (or easier) street.


Current
Month

10/27/2003 $6,847,911,183,949.94
10/24/2003 $6,847,437,986,849.37
10/23/2003 $6,846,423,952,526.25
10/22/2003 $6,834,787,133,873.25
10/21/2003 $6,837,578,313,166.46
10/20/2003 $6,834,248,759,903.16
10/17/2003 $6,834,021,912,939.72
10/16/2003 $6,830,709,313,106.40
10/15/2003 $6,819,991,274,100.25
10/14/2003 $6,816,232,489,123.39
10/10/2003 $6,815,997,835,664.82
10/09/2003 $6,818,335,215,910.51
10/08/2003 $6,815,762,633,308.91
10/07/2003 $6,817,256,800,753.20
10/06/2003 $6,814,440,215,107.91
10/03/2003 $6,812,573,929,325.08
10/02/2003 $6,805,599,570,918.78
10/01/2003 $6,804,504,127,055.70

If you guys keep this up, you'll give the American public a 7 Trillion dollar
debt just in time for Christmas. What a nice thought the have stuffed up your
chimney- tinsel, pointy star, and all.

Chuck, you should also point out that virtually all of this money supports only
the agenda of Republicans.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

On 30 Oct 2003 15:55:47 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

NOYB:

I thought you guys on the right were business savvy.

Yeah, once you screw something up *tremendously*, it's easier to post some
pretty impressive percentage numbers as the rebound begins.

Example: Your practice is capable of handling 20 patients per day. You begin
spouting off about your politics while your victims (er, I mean patients) are
strapped into the chair with a mouth full of crap and unable to respond. Your
patient load drops from 20 per day to 5. You finally realize that dentistry and
politics don't mix, and shut the heck up. Your patient load goes from 5
patients per day to 8. Wo ho! Brilliant management! You just posted a 60%
increase. :-)

I once took over a sales situation where I achieved a 120% increase in less
than six months. But it wasn't any big deal, all I really did was get
production up to about where it should have been all along. That percentage
increase sure looked good on the resume for a while, though.

I guess we can all be thankful that one of our longer and deeper recessions may
be coming to an end in many places throughout the country. The West Coast is
seeing no part of it. You know it *must* have been the tax cuts. This is the
very first time that the economy *ever* recovered from a recession, right?

Get thou real, Doc. :-)

Meanwhile, back at the Crawford Ranch,
the R controlled White House and the R controlled Congress have increased our
national debt 43 BILLION DOLLARS since
October 1st. Why all the outrage about 87 billion for Iraq? We're peeing that
away as a matter of course every 60 days as it is.

It's all part of the PNAC's agenda to move to a British capital, imperialist
system.
We will have to raise interest rates to attract enough investors to shoulder
this debt, and at that time those few people sitting on hundreds of millions in
cash will be on easy (or easier) street.


Current
Month

10/27/2003 $6,847,911,183,949.94
10/24/2003 $6,847,437,986,849.37
10/23/2003 $6,846,423,952,526.25
10/22/2003 $6,834,787,133,873.25
10/21/2003 $6,837,578,313,166.46
10/20/2003 $6,834,248,759,903.16
10/17/2003 $6,834,021,912,939.72
10/16/2003 $6,830,709,313,106.40
10/15/2003 $6,819,991,274,100.25
10/14/2003 $6,816,232,489,123.39
10/10/2003 $6,815,997,835,664.82
10/09/2003 $6,818,335,215,910.51
10/08/2003 $6,815,762,633,308.91
10/07/2003 $6,817,256,800,753.20
10/06/2003 $6,814,440,215,107.91
10/03/2003 $6,812,573,929,325.08
10/02/2003 $6,805,599,570,918.78
10/01/2003 $6,804,504,127,055.70

If you guys keep this up, you'll give the American public a 7 Trillion dollar
debt just in time for Christmas. What a nice thought the have stuffed up your
chimney- tinsel, pointy star, and all.

And my parents' kids are better off than they were. My kids are better off than
I was at there age. My grand kids will be better off than their parents. Of
course, we all worked.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

I just wish my stock prices would recover. I took a hit when the tech
stocks crashed.

Perhaps if we dumped NAFTA, the economy would take a big jump in
manufacturing!

Capt. Frank

NOYB wrote:

Economy Grows at Fastest Pace Since 1984
By JEANNINE AVERSA, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The economy grew at a blistering 7.2 percent annual rate in the
third quarter in the strongest pace in nearly two decades. Consumers spent
with abandon and businesses ramped up investment, compelling new evidence of
an economic resurgence.



The increase in gross domestic product, the broadest measure of the
economy's performance, in the July-September quarter was more than double
the 3.3 percent rate registered in the second quarter, the Commerce
Department reported Thursday.


The 7.2 percent pace marked the best showing since the first quarter of
1984. It exceeded analysts' forecasts for a 6 percent growth rate for
third-quarter GDP, which measures the value of all goods and services
produced within the United States.


"This is a gangbuster number. Everything came together for the economy in
the third quarter," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Economy.com.

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I guess we can take "bagging on the economy" off the '04 Democratic election
strategy...

Frank,
The Nasdaq is up over 70% from 12 months ago...and the Dow is up 30%.
That's great if you got in the market in October 2002. Of course, when a
stock falls 50%, then it has to go up 100% just to be even.


"Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message
link.net...
I just wish my stock prices would recover. I took a hit when the tech
stocks crashed.

Perhaps if we dumped NAFTA, the economy would take a big jump in
manufacturing!

Capt. Frank

NOYB wrote:

Economy Grows at Fastest Pace Since 1984
By JEANNINE AVERSA, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The economy grew at a blistering 7.2 percent annual rate in
the
third quarter in the strongest pace in nearly two decades. Consumers
spent
with abandon and businesses ramped up investment, compelling new
evidence of
an economic resurgence.



The increase in gross domestic product, the broadest measure of the
economy's performance, in the July-September quarter was more than
double
the 3.3 percent rate registered in the second quarter, the Commerce
Department reported Thursday.


The 7.2 percent pace marked the best showing since the first quarter of
1984. It exceeded analysts' forecasts for a 6 percent growth rate for
third-quarter GDP, which measures the value of all goods and services
produced within the United States.


"This is a gangbuster number. Everything came together for the economy
in
the third quarter," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Economy.com.


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I guess we can take "bagging on the economy" off the '04 Democratic
election
strategy...

Not to mention the lost dividends!

Capt Frank

NOYB wrote:
Frank,
The Nasdaq is up over 70% from 12 months ago...and the Dow is up 30%.
That's great if you got in the market in October 2002. Of course, when a
stock falls 50%, then it has to go up 100% just to be even.


"Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message
link.net...

I just wish my stock prices would recover. I took a hit when the tech
stocks crashed.

Perhaps if we dumped NAFTA, the economy would take a big jump in
manufacturing!

Capt. Frank

NOYB wrote:


Economy Grows at Fastest Pace Since 1984
By JEANNINE AVERSA, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The economy grew at a blistering 7.2 percent annual rate in

the

third quarter in the strongest pace in nearly two decades. Consumers

spent

with abandon and businesses ramped up investment, compelling new

evidence of

an economic resurgence.



The increase in gross domestic product, the broadest measure of the
economy's performance, in the July-September quarter was more than

double

the 3.3 percent rate registered in the second quarter, the Commerce
Department reported Thursday.


The 7.2 percent pace marked the best showing since the first quarter of
1984. It exceeded analysts' forecasts for a 6 percent growth rate for
third-quarter GDP, which measures the value of all goods and services
produced within the United States.


"This is a gangbuster number. Everything came together for the economy

in

the third quarter," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Economy.com.


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I guess we can take "bagging on the economy" off the '04 Democratic

election

strategy...

perhaps we should try buy products made in the US
"Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message
link.net...
I just wish my stock prices would recover. I took a hit when the tech
stocks crashed.

Perhaps if we dumped NAFTA, the economy would take a big jump in
manufacturing!

Capt. Frank

NOYB wrote:

Economy Grows at Fastest Pace Since 1984
By JEANNINE AVERSA, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The economy grew at a blistering 7.2 percent annual rate in
the
third quarter in the strongest pace in nearly two decades. Consumers
spent
with abandon and businesses ramped up investment, compelling new
evidence of
an economic resurgence.



The increase in gross domestic product, the broadest measure of the
economy's performance, in the July-September quarter was more than
double
the 3.3 percent rate registered in the second quarter, the Commerce
Department reported Thursday.


The 7.2 percent pace marked the best showing since the first quarter of
1984. It exceeded analysts' forecasts for a 6 percent growth rate for
third-quarter GDP, which measures the value of all goods and services
produced within the United States.


"This is a gangbuster number. Everything came together for the economy
in
the third quarter," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Economy.com.


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I guess we can take "bagging on the economy" off the '04 Democratic
election
strategy...

Buy US is great except for we don't make much anymore. Our cars are made
in Mex and Can. Our electronics in Korea or Japan along with cameras,
clothing in Taiwan or hong kong, and other items such as household goods
also in asia. What we are "making" now is interest on loans to these
countries, a lot of wheat and grain. Some beef, and veggies, and a few
small factories putting out specialty goods. Boats and stuff. Hey! Try
to buy a boat built will all-american parts! once you get out of the
"open fishing boat" class you add lights (korea) and horns (mex) radios
(japan) and engines, (some parts from here) and upholesrty (europe). At
least my flare kit is made in the USA!

Capt. Frank

Wildest Dream wrote:

perhaps we should try buy products made in the US
"Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message
link.net...

I just wish my stock prices would recover. I took a hit when the tech
stocks crashed.

Perhaps if we dumped NAFTA, the economy would take a big jump in
manufacturing!

Capt. Frank

NOYB wrote:


Economy Grows at Fastest Pace Since 1984
By JEANNINE AVERSA, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The economy grew at a blistering 7.2 percent annual rate in

the

third quarter in the strongest pace in nearly two decades. Consumers

spent

with abandon and businesses ramped up investment, compelling new

evidence of

an economic resurgence.



The increase in gross domestic product, the broadest measure of the
economy's performance, in the July-September quarter was more than

double

the 3.3 percent rate registered in the second quarter, the Commerce
Department reported Thursday.


The 7.2 percent pace marked the best showing since the first quarter of
1984. It exceeded analysts' forecasts for a 6 percent growth rate for
third-quarter GDP, which measures the value of all goods and services
produced within the United States.


"This is a gangbuster number. Everything came together for the economy

in

the third quarter," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Economy.com.


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I guess we can take "bagging on the economy" off the '04 Democratic

election

strategy...