On 4/21/2018 5:25 PM, Tim wrote:
Mr. Luddite
- show quoted text -
My daughter just got rid of her little Jeep Liberty in favor of a 2019
Jeep Cherokee. Thing is loaded with every option imaginable ... too
much, IMO.

But, it's not bad for a Fiat.
———————
Keep- Just Empty Every Pocket.



Damn thing has a display as big as my bedroom TV filled with
"stuff" to turn on/off or adjust. Told her to be careful with it and
keep her eyes on the road.

It has a peppy V6 but also has the feature that turns the engine
off when you stop for a red light or something. Starts up again
when you take your foot off the brake.

Fortunately, there's a button that allows you to disable that
feature. It would drive me nuts.

On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 17:44:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/21/2018 5:25 PM, Tim wrote:
Mr. Luddite
- show quoted text -
My daughter just got rid of her little Jeep Liberty in favor of a 2019
Jeep Cherokee. Thing is loaded with every option imaginable ... too
much, IMO.

But, it's not bad for a Fiat.
———————
Keep- Just Empty Every Pocket.



Damn thing has a display as big as my bedroom TV filled with
"stuff" to turn on/off or adjust. Told her to be careful with it and
keep her eyes on the road.

It has a peppy V6 but also has the feature that turns the engine
off when you stop for a red light or something. Starts up again
when you take your foot off the brake.

Fortunately, there's a button that allows you to disable that
feature. It would drive me nuts.


I think they do stuff like that to pump up the MPG rating. I agree, it
would be like driving a gas golf cart.

On 4/21/2018 7:16 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 17:44:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/21/2018 5:25 PM, Tim wrote:
Mr. Luddite
- show quoted text -
My daughter just got rid of her little Jeep Liberty in favor of a 2019
Jeep Cherokee. Thing is loaded with every option imaginable ... too
much, IMO.

But, it's not bad for a Fiat.
———————
Keep- Just Empty Every Pocket.



Damn thing has a display as big as my bedroom TV filled with
"stuff" to turn on/off or adjust. Told her to be careful with it and
keep her eyes on the road.

It has a peppy V6 but also has the feature that turns the engine
off when you stop for a red light or something. Starts up again
when you take your foot off the brake.

Fortunately, there's a button that allows you to disable that
feature. It would drive me nuts.


I think they do stuff like that to pump up the MPG rating. I agree, it
would be like driving a gas golf cart.



I think it's more to reduce emissions. My daughter told me that
the Jeep dealer said that *all* cars will be required to have that
feature sometime in the future.

My truck drops two cylinders (from 6 to 4) when coasting or when
very light pressure is on the gas pedal. I think that's for MPG
betterment. Doesn't bother me because it's seamless and I can't
feel it shift from 6 to 4 or back again.

wrote:
On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 17:44:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/21/2018 5:25 PM, Tim wrote:
Mr. Luddite
- show quoted text -
My daughter just got rid of her little Jeep Liberty in favor of a 2019
Jeep Cherokee. Thing is loaded with every option imaginable ... too
much, IMO.

But, it's not bad for a Fiat.
———————
Keep- Just Empty Every Pocket.



Damn thing has a display as big as my bedroom TV filled with
"stuff" to turn on/off or adjust. Told her to be careful with it and
keep her eyes on the road.

It has a peppy V6 but also has the feature that turns the engine
off when you stop for a red light or something. Starts up again
when you take your foot off the brake.

Fortunately, there's a button that allows you to disable that
feature. It would drive me nuts.


I think they do stuff like that to pump up the MPG rating. I agree, it
would be like driving a gas golf cart.


My Volt does that. But since I think the gas motor just supply’s an
electrical supply to electric drive motors, and super quiet, never notice
the motor turning of. I think there is always enough battery to get going
when the gas motor turns off.

Mr. Luddite
- show quoted text -
Damn thing has a display as big as my bedroom TV filled with
"stuff" to turn on/off or adjust. Told her to be careful with it and
keep her eyes on the road.

It has a peppy V6 but also has the feature that turns the engine
off when you stop for a red light or something. Starts up again
when you take your foot off the brake.

Fortunately, there's a button that allows you to disable that
feature. It would drive me nuts.

..............

I remember vw experimented with that feature in the early 70s. It was a ploy to raise overall fueled economy and cut pollution. Didn’t go over well.
I see Jeep is offering it as well as offering a solution if you want out.

Tim wrote:
Mr. Luddite
- show quoted text -
Damn thing has a display as big as my bedroom TV filled with
"stuff" to turn on/off or adjust. Told her to be careful with it and
keep her eyes on the road.

It has a peppy V6 but also has the feature that turns the engine
off when you stop for a red light or something. Starts up again
when you take your foot off the brake.

Fortunately, there's a button that allows you to disable that
feature. It would drive me nuts.

.............

I remember vw experimented with that feature in the early 70s. It was a ploy to raise overall fueled economy and cut pollution. Didn’t go over well.
I see Jeep is offering it as well as offering a solution if you want out.

BMW has had it for years. It's always off unless you select "ECO"
mode. When you start the car it defaults to "Comfort" mode.

Alex
- show quoted text -
BMW has had it for years. It's always off unless you select "ECO"
mode. When you start the car it defaults to "Comfort" mode.


———-

My wife’s last two CRVs had ECO buttons. I asked the salesman about it he snapped back “Don’t touch it- just leave it alone!�

Oh-Kay

Never did know what it did.

On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 17:35:55 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Mr. Luddite
- show quoted text -
Damn thing has a display as big as my bedroom TV filled with
"stuff" to turn on/off or adjust. Told her to be careful with it and
keep her eyes on the road.

It has a peppy V6 but also has the feature that turns the engine
off when you stop for a red light or something. Starts up again
when you take your foot off the brake.

Fortunately, there's a button that allows you to disable that
feature. It would drive me nuts.

.............

I remember vw experimented with that feature in the early 70s. It was a ploy to raise overall fueled economy and cut pollution. Didn’t go over well.
I see Jeep is offering it as well as offering a solution if you want out.

GM tried the 4-6-8 feature too where they started blocking off
cylinders and that went away pretty fast too.

On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 17:35:55 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
- show quoted text -
GM tried the 4-6-8 feature too where they started blocking off
cylinders and that went away pretty fast too.
...........

Yes, burned hoods or total fire.

wrote:
On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 17:35:55 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Mr. Luddite
- show quoted text -
Damn thing has a display as big as my bedroom TV filled with
"stuff" to turn on/off or adjust. Told her to be careful with it and
keep her eyes on the road.

It has a peppy V6 but also has the feature that turns the engine
off when you stop for a red light or something. Starts up again
when you take your foot off the brake.

Fortunately, there's a button that allows you to disable that
feature. It would drive me nuts.

.............

I remember vw experimented with that feature in the early 70s. It was a ploy to raise overall fueled economy and cut pollution. Didn’t go over well.
I see Jeep is offering it as well as offering a solution if you want out.
GM tried the 4-6-8 feature too where they started blocking off
cylinders and that went away pretty fast too.


Mercury outboards (holy **** - an on-topic post!) has/had some 4
cylinder engines that worked the same way. When the other two cylinders
kicked in it was quite abrupt.