On 3/24/2018 10:01 PM, wrote:
On 24 Mar 2018 21:26:43 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote:


BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical
skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because
they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid.
Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed.



Right, because what use would the military have for someone with
language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics
(sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the
military had no use for me.

Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed
they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal
arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in
Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up".


Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That’s a laugh.
A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were
looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with
reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period.
Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps.

If you had a skill they wanted, they came after you. He was never
going to be cannon fodder ... unless the russians came through the
Fulda Gap. They trained him up on army computer systems and sent him
to Germany, pretty much straight out of boot camp.


My recollection of those days differ from what you and Harry are saying.

Maybe it's because I was eligible in 1968 which was the peak of the
draft period in the Vietnam war.

I don't think the draft boards paid any attention or had any information
as to what your "skills" or education level were until *after* you
received your induction notice. *That* is when you took tests and they
considered your background or school status.

I know of several people who were in college at the time yet still
received a notice to report for the induction exam. All they did was
reply to the draft board that they were currently attending school and
they were given a deferment although at one point if your grade point
average was below a certain level they could still grab you.

On 3/24/2018 10:29 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 19:43:19 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/18 5:16 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote:


BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical
skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because
they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid.
Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed.



Right, because what use would the military have for someone with
language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics
(sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the
military had no use for me.

Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed
they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal
arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in
Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up".


Once again, very few people were drafted. Here are some stats that in
many ways conflict with the pro-military bull**** you and others post he

During the Vietnam War era, between 1964 and 1973, the U.S. military
drafted 2.2 million American men out of an eligible pool of 27 million.
Although only 25 percent of the military force in the combat zones were
draftees, the system of conscription caused many young American men to
volunteer for the armed forces in order to have more of a choice of
which division in the military they would serve. While many soldiers did
support the war, at least initially, to others the draft seemed like a
death sentence: being sent to a war and fight for a cause that they did
not believe in.

https://is.gd/5bHfjG


Less than 10% of the availble pool of 27 million were drafted. Got that?


VIETNAM WAR STATISTICS
IN UNIFORM AND IN COUNTRY...

Vietnam Vets: 9.7% of their generation.


DRAFTEES VS. VOLUNTEERS...

25% (648,500) of total forces in country were draftees. (66% of
U.S. armed forces members were drafted during WWII.
Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam.

SOCIO-ECONOMIC STATUS...

76% of the men sent to Vietnam were from lower middle/working class
backgrounds.
Thee-fourths had family incomes above the poverty level; 50% were
from middle income backgrounds.
Some 23% of Vietnam vets had fathers with professional, managerial
or technical occupations.
79% of the men who served in Vietnam had a high school education or
better when they entered the military service. (63% of Korean War vets
and only 45% of WWII vets had completed high school upon separation.)
Deaths by region per 100,000 of pupulation: South -- 31%, West --
29.9%; Midwest -- 28.4%; Northeast -- 23.5%.


Courtesy of the VFW Magazine and the Public Information Office,
HQ CP Forward Observer -1st Recon
April 12, 1997

World History Center


It would be more interesting to see the numbers between 1968 and 73
when the draft was really running in high gear. Johnson really cranked
it up. For example in december 1969 the first draw, 195 birthdays were
drawn. That is 53% of all the numbers in the barrel. Assuming
birthdays are fairly equally spread out across the year that was more
than half of the eligible draftees. They did an alphabetical drawing
to determine the induction order of those drawn by birthday.
You know, they write this stuff down.



And none of it considered school status, educational background,
specific skills .... or anything. It was purely based on birthdays of
those who registered as required when they turned 18 years old.

The deferments, considerations for unique circumstances and needs
of the government came *after* you received an induction notice.

On 3/25/2018 1:54 AM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote:


BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical
skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because
they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid.
Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed.



Right, because what use would the military have for someone with
language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics
(sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the
military had no use for me.

Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed
they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal
arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in
Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up".


My wife’s best childhood friend married a West Point grad. The military
sent him to the Sorbonne for French and the defense language institute for
Vietnamese. Language specialist. Maybe they figured your grasp of
Russian and German would only be good for writing simple jingles. Or the
fat disqualified you.


The draft board would have absolutely no knowledge of Harry's grasp of
Russian or German ... or anything else for that matter. In those days
you were just a name with a number who had registered for the draft when
you turned 18.

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On 24 Mar 2018 21:53:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/24/2018 5:26 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote:


BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical
skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because
they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid.
Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed.



Right, because what use would the military have for someone with
language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics
(sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the
military had no use for me.

Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed
they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal
arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in
Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up".


Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That?s a laugh.
A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were
looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with
reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period.
Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps.



So you had a thyroid condition back then too?




Nope, just not stupid. In college, for b.a. and m.a., reclassified after
that, not drafted (I was about 23 then), and got a high lottery number.
Delighted.

Math seems to say if you were 23 in 1970, the first year they had
draft lottery numbers (actually issued in Dec 1969), you were born in
1947. That certainly does not match the rest of the story. You have
alluded to being born before 1944 so you would have been 25+ when you
got a lottery number. The draft was over if you were 26 and most 25
year olds were not bother by it either.


Have you ever seen a Fat Harry made up story where the facts or
numbers added up?. Fat Harry is a consistant, but not very good,
liar.
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 19:43:19 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 3/24/18 5:16 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote:


BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical
skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because
they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid.
Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed.



Right, because what use would the military have for someone with
language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics
(sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the
military had no use for me.

Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed
they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal
arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in
Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up".


Once again, very few people were drafted. Here are some stats that in
many ways conflict with the pro-military bull**** you and others post he

During the Vietnam War era, between 1964 and 1973, the U.S. military
drafted 2.2 million American men out of an eligible pool of 27 million.
Although only 25 percent of the military force in the combat zones were
draftees, the system of conscription caused many young American men to
volunteer for the armed forces in order to have more of a choice of
which division in the military they would serve. While many soldiers did
support the war, at least initially, to others the draft seemed like a
death sentence: being sent to a war and fight for a cause that they did
not believe in.

https://is.gd/5bHfjG


Less than 10% of the availble pool of 27 million were drafted. Got that?


VIETNAM WAR STATISTICS
IN UNIFORM AND IN COUNTRY...

Vietnam Vets: 9.7% of their generation.


DRAFTEES VS. VOLUNTEERS...

25% (648,500) of total forces in country were draftees. (66% of
U.S. armed forces members were drafted during WWII.
Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam.

SOCIO-ECONOMIC STATUS...

76% of the men sent to Vietnam were from lower middle/working class
backgrounds.
Thee-fourths had family incomes above the poverty level; 50% were
from middle income backgrounds.
Some 23% of Vietnam vets had fathers with professional, managerial
or technical occupations.
79% of the men who served in Vietnam had a high school education or
better when they entered the military service. (63% of Korean War vets
and only 45% of WWII vets had completed high school upon separation.)
Deaths by region per 100,000 of pupulation: South -- 31%, West --
29.9%; Midwest -- 28.4%; Northeast -- 23.5%.


Courtesy of the VFW Magazine and the Public Information Office,
HQ CP Forward Observer -1st Recon
April 12, 1997

World History Center

You should by thanking the Good Lord your escape and evasion plan worked.

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 16:53:10 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:


6:43 PMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Once again, very few people were drafted. Here are some stats that in
many ways conflict with the pro-military bull**** you and others post he

During the Vietnam War era, between 1964 and 1973, the U.S. military
drafted 2.2 million American men out of an eligible pool of 27 million.
Although only 25 percent of the military force in the combat zones were
draftees, the system of conscription caused many young American men to
volunteer for the armed forces in order to have more of a choice of
which division in the military they would serve. While many soldiers did
support the war, at least initially, to others the draft seemed like a
death sentence: being sent to a war and fight for a cause that they did
not believe in.

https://is.gd/5bHfjG


Less than 10% of the availble pool of 27 million were drafted. Got that?

——-

ooks like you conveniently left out the rest of your cut n paste, Harry. Looks like you and Bill Clinton and Dick Cheaneyhid in college maybe?

“. Some sought refuge in college or parental deferments; others intentionally failed aptitude tests or otherwise evaded; thousands fled to Canada; the politically connected sought refuge in the National Guard; and a growing number engaged in direct resistance. Antiwar activists viewed the draft as immoral and the only means for the government to continue the war with fresh soldiers. Ironically, as the draft continued to fuel the war effort, it also intensified the antiwar cause. Although the Selective Service’s deferment system meant that men of lower socioeconomic standing were most likely to be sent to the front lines, no one was completely safe from the draft. Almost every American was either eligible to go to war or knew someone who was.”

So like Harry to quote only part of an article.

On 3/25/18 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/24/2018 10:01 PM, wrote:
On 24 Mar 2018 21:26:43 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote:


BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical
skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because
they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid.
Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed.



Right, because what use would the military have for someone with
language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics
(sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the
military had no use for me.

Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed
they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal
arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in
Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up".


Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That’s a
laugh.
A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they
were
looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with
reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking.
Period.
Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps.

If you had a skill they wanted, they came after you. He was never
going to be cannon fodder ... unless the russians came through the
Fulda Gap. They trained him up on army computer systems and sent him
to Germany, pretty much straight out of boot camp.


My recollection of those days differ from what you and Harry are saying.

Maybe it's because I was eligible in 1968 which was the peak of the
draft period in the Vietnam war.

I don't think the draft boards paid any attention or had any information
as to what your "skills" or education level were until *after* you
received your induction notice.Â* *That* is when you took tests and they
considered your background or school status.

I know of several people who were in college at the time yet still
received a notice to report for the induction exam.Â* All they did was
reply to the draft board that they were currently attending school and
they were given a deferment although at one point if your grade point
average was below a certain level they could still grab you.

My recollection is the same as yours...as I stated...draft boards had
quotas to fill, and they had no knowledge of skillsets of the men from
which they were making their choices. As for enlistees, the guys I
remember who said they were going to sign up typically had the lowest
GPAs and were not planning to attend college. They joined the military
to learn skills that might translate into decent jobs. And attending a
public college or university was really inexpensive in those days. We
have two in New Haven back then...New Haven College and Southern
Connecticut State...where a full academic load could be purchased for
few hundred dollars a semester, and classes were offered during the day
and at night.

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 22:14:12 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 3/24/18 7:53 PM, Tim wrote:

6:43 PMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Once again, very few people were drafted. Here are some stats that in
many ways conflict with the pro-military bull**** you and others post he

During the Vietnam War era, between 1964 and 1973, the U.S. military
drafted 2.2 million American men out of an eligible pool of 27 million.
Although only 25 percent of the military force in the combat zones were
draftees, the system of conscription caused many young American men to
volunteer for the armed forces in order to have more of a choice of
which division in the military they would serve. While many soldiers did
support the war, at least initially, to others the draft seemed like a
death sentence: being sent to a war and fight for a cause that they did
not believe in.

https://is.gd/5bHfjG


Less than 10% of the availble pool of 27 million were drafted. Got that?

——-

ooks like you conveniently left out the rest of your cut n paste, Harry. Looks like you and Bill Clinton and Dick Cheaneyhid in college maybe?

“. Some sought refuge in college or parental deferments; others intentionally failed aptitude tests or otherwise evaded; thousands fled to Canada; the politically connected sought refuge in the National Guard; and a growing number engaged in direct resistance. Antiwar activists viewed the draft as immoral and the only means for the government to continue the war with fresh soldiers. Ironically, as the draft continued to fuel the war effort, it also intensified the antiwar cause. Although the Selective Service’s deferment system meant that men of lower socioeconomic standing were most likely to be sent to the front lines, no one was completely safe from the draft. Almost every American was either eligible to go to war or knew someone who was.”


If you were any duller, timmy, you could change your name to "beige."
Your assumption that I "sought refuge" in college is absurd. It never
occurred to me in my high school days to consider military instead of
college.

The war against the SE Asians was immoral. It was a disgusting horror we
perpetrated on the world.

Getting a bit of a racial slur in there, Harry? You're sick.

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 22:15:34 -0400, wrote:

On 24 Mar 2018 21:53:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/24/2018 5:26 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote:


BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical
skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because
they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid.
Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed.



Right, because what use would the military have for someone with
language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics
(sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the
military had no use for me.

Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed
they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal
arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in
Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up".


Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That’s a laugh.
A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were
looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with
reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period.
Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps.



So you had a thyroid condition back then too?




Nope, just not stupid. In college, for b.a. and m.a., reclassified after
that, not drafted (I was about 23 then), and got a high lottery number.
Delighted.

Math seems to say if you were 23 in 1970, the first year they had
draft lottery numbers (actually issued in Dec 1969), you were born in
1947. That certainly does not match the rest of the story. You have
alluded to being born before 1944 so you would have been 25+ when you
got a lottery number. The draft was over if you were 26 and most 25
year olds were not bother by it either.

I was 21 in 1965 when they got me. I was working at Cape Canaveral and told to report to
Jacksonville. I requested Kansas City for induction so I could see the family in Sedalia, MO. They
were kind enough to let me do that, as long as I paid my own way to KC.

On 3/25/18 8:24 AM, justan wrote:
Wrote in message:
On 24 Mar 2018 21:53:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/24/2018 5:26 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote:


BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical
skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because
they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid.
Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed.



Right, because what use would the military have for someone with
language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics
(sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the
military had no use for me.

Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed
they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal
arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in
Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up".


Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That?s a laugh.
A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were
looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with
reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period.
Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps.



So you had a thyroid condition back then too?




Nope, just not stupid. In college, for b.a. and m.a., reclassified after
that, not drafted (I was about 23 then), and got a high lottery number.
Delighted.

Math seems to say if you were 23 in 1970, the first year they had
draft lottery numbers (actually issued in Dec 1969), you were born in
1947. That certainly does not match the rest of the story. You have
alluded to being born before 1944 so you would have been 25+ when you
got a lottery number. The draft was over if you were 26 and most 25
year olds were not bother by it either.


Have you ever seen a Fat Harry made up story where the facts or
numbers added up?. Fat Harry is a consistant, but not very good,
liar.


Have you ever in your life had a thought that made you sound
intelligent? There's no other poster here or in recent memory who comes
across as consistently stupid as you do. If you were still in public
school, your guidance counselor would be telling your parents you
suffered from developmental delays and suggesting you be examined for
some sort of neurological injury.