On 3/24/2018 5:26 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote:


BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical
skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because
they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid.
Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed.



Right, because what use would the military have for someone with
language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics
(sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the
military had no use for me.

Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed
they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal
arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in
Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up".


Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That’s a laugh.
A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were
looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with
reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period.
Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps.



So you had a thyroid condition back then too?

Keyser Soze wrote:
True North wrote:
On Saturday, 24 March 2018 13:58:05 UTC-3, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 3/24/18 1:49 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 04:36:35 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/23/18 3:30 PM, Tim wrote:

2:24 PMKeyser Soze
On 3/23/18 2:03 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Standard English: What a moron like Justin failed to learn in grade
school.


Ol' Just couldn't handle academics so he prepared to join the naveee by
pulling on the pigtails of the nine-year-old girl who sat in front of him.
...

Harry what weee you pulling to stay out of the ?naveee??


I wasn't dumb enough to enlist in an effort to make war against people
who were no threat to us.


Why not enlist now? Those Middle easterners seem want to make war against
us.

If they passed on Harry in his 20s, why do you think they would take
him now?


Most young men of even ordinary intelligence were not drafted during the
heyday of the war against Vietnam. They for the most part were not
"passed on," they simply were not drafted/instructed to report for a
pre-induction physical. Those of us who were in college during the 1960s
had a student deferment and as long as we maintained decent grades, the
draft boards left us alone.

Like most young men my age, I was never instructed to report for that
physical; I was never drafted. The fact is, most of you who were in the
service in that era were either drafted or signed up to avoid being
drafted into the Army as meat and sent to Vietnam.

The only one in this newsgroup who might have been shot at is Herring,
and those shots were probably friendly fire because of the sort of
asshole he is.

Sorry, fellas. It was nice of you, I guess, to sign up, but I'm not
impressed with your stateside, European, Korean, or shipboard service
outside of direct combat.


Thanks for that loooong dissertation, However we know the truth
about Fat Harry, Right fellas?
--




Y'all couldn't handle the truth, Justine.


Justan couldn’t handle a 13 year old girl in a demonstration wearing a
pussy hat.


Could you actually define what the meaning of that statement is supposed to
be?

On 3/24/18 5:16 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote:


BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical
skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because
they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid.
Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed.



Right, because what use would the military have for someone with
language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics
(sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the
military had no use for me.

Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed
they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal
arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in
Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up".


Once again, very few people were drafted. Here are some stats that in
many ways conflict with the pro-military bull**** you and others post he

During the Vietnam War era, between 1964 and 1973, the U.S. military
drafted 2.2 million American men out of an eligible pool of 27 million.
Although only 25 percent of the military force in the combat zones were
draftees, the system of conscription caused many young American men to
volunteer for the armed forces in order to have more of a choice of
which division in the military they would serve. While many soldiers did
support the war, at least initially, to others the draft seemed like a
death sentence: being sent to a war and fight for a cause that they did
not believe in.

https://is.gd/5bHfjG


Less than 10% of the availble pool of 27 million were drafted. Got that?


VIETNAM WAR STATISTICS
IN UNIFORM AND IN COUNTRY...

Vietnam Vets: 9.7% of their generation.


DRAFTEES VS. VOLUNTEERS...

25% (648,500) of total forces in country were draftees. (66% of
U.S. armed forces members were drafted during WWII.
Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam.

SOCIO-ECONOMIC STATUS...

76% of the men sent to Vietnam were from lower middle/working class
backgrounds.
Thee-fourths had family incomes above the poverty level; 50% were
from middle income backgrounds.
Some 23% of Vietnam vets had fathers with professional, managerial
or technical occupations.
79% of the men who served in Vietnam had a high school education or
better when they entered the military service. (63% of Korean War vets
and only 45% of WWII vets had completed high school upon separation.)
Deaths by region per 100,000 of pupulation: South -- 31%, West --
29.9%; Midwest -- 28.4%; Northeast -- 23.5%.


Courtesy of the VFW Magazine and the Public Information Office,
HQ CP Forward Observer -1st Recon
April 12, 1997

World History Center

6:43 PMKeyser Soze
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Once again, very few people were drafted. Here are some stats that in
many ways conflict with the pro-military bull**** you and others post he

During the Vietnam War era, between 1964 and 1973, the U.S. military
drafted 2.2 million American men out of an eligible pool of 27 million.
Although only 25 percent of the military force in the combat zones were
draftees, the system of conscription caused many young American men to
volunteer for the armed forces in order to have more of a choice of
which division in the military they would serve. While many soldiers did
support the war, at least initially, to others the draft seemed like a
death sentence: being sent to a war and fight for a cause that they did
not believe in.

https://is.gd/5bHfjG


Less than 10% of the availble pool of 27 million were drafted. Got that?

——-

ooks like you conveniently left out the rest of your cut n paste, Harry. Looks like you and Bill Clinton and Dick Cheaneyhid in college maybe?

“. Some sought refuge in college or parental deferments; others intentionally failed aptitude tests or otherwise evaded; thousands fled to Canada; the politically connected sought refuge in the National Guard; and a growing number engaged in direct resistance. Antiwar activists viewed the draft as immoral and the only means for the government to continue the war with fresh soldiers. Ironically, as the draft continued to fuel the war effort, it also intensified the antiwar cause. Although the Selective Service’s deferment system meant that men of lower socioeconomic standing were most likely to be sent to the front lines, no one was completely safe from the draft. Almost every American was either eligible to go to war or knew someone who was.�

On 3/24/18 7:53 PM, Tim wrote:

6:43 PMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Once again, very few people were drafted. Here are some stats that in
many ways conflict with the pro-military bull**** you and others post he

During the Vietnam War era, between 1964 and 1973, the U.S. military
drafted 2.2 million American men out of an eligible pool of 27 million.
Although only 25 percent of the military force in the combat zones were
draftees, the system of conscription caused many young American men to
volunteer for the armed forces in order to have more of a choice of
which division in the military they would serve. While many soldiers did
support the war, at least initially, to others the draft seemed like a
death sentence: being sent to a war and fight for a cause that they did
not believe in.

https://is.gd/5bHfjG


Less than 10% of the availble pool of 27 million were drafted. Got that?

——-

ooks like you conveniently left out the rest of your cut n paste, Harry. Looks like you and Bill Clinton and Dick Cheaneyhid in college maybe?

“. Some sought refuge in college or parental deferments; others intentionally failed aptitude tests or otherwise evaded; thousands fled to Canada; the politically connected sought refuge in the National Guard; and a growing number engaged in direct resistance. Antiwar activists viewed the draft as immoral and the only means for the government to continue the war with fresh soldiers. Ironically, as the draft continued to fuel the war effort, it also intensified the antiwar cause. Although the Selective Service’s deferment system meant that men of lower socioeconomic standing were most likely to be sent to the front lines, no one was completely safe from the draft. Almost every American was either eligible to go to war or knew someone who was.�


If you were any duller, timmy, you could change your name to "beige."
Your assumption that I "sought refuge" in college is absurd. It never
occurred to me in my high school days to consider military instead of
college.

The war against the SE Asians was immoral. It was a disgusting horror we
perpetrated on the world.

9:14 PMKeyser Soze
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If you were any duller, timmy, you could change your name to "beige."
Your assumption that I "sought refuge" in college is absurd. It never
occurred to me in my high school days to consider military instead of
college.

The war against the SE Asians was immoral. It was a disgusting horror we
perpetrated on the world.
....

It still didn’t stop you from ommiting your cut n paste of the article did it Harry. Besides, I guess I’m dull enough to captivate your attention for a response. And BTW, i’m Far from being “beige�. Just ask John Herring.

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 19:43:19 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/18 5:16 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote:


BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical
skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because
they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid.
Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed.



Right, because what use would the military have for someone with
language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics
(sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the
military had no use for me.

Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed
they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal
arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in
Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up".


Once again, very few people were drafted. Here are some stats that in
many ways conflict with the pro-military bull**** you and others post he

During the Vietnam War era, between 1964 and 1973, the U.S. military
drafted 2.2 million American men out of an eligible pool of 27 million.
Although only 25 percent of the military force in the combat zones were
draftees, the system of conscription caused many young American men to
volunteer for the armed forces in order to have more of a choice of
which division in the military they would serve. While many soldiers did
support the war, at least initially, to others the draft seemed like a
death sentence: being sent to a war and fight for a cause that they did
not believe in.

https://is.gd/5bHfjG


Less than 10% of the availble pool of 27 million were drafted. Got that?


VIETNAM WAR STATISTICS
IN UNIFORM AND IN COUNTRY...

Vietnam Vets: 9.7% of their generation.


DRAFTEES VS. VOLUNTEERS...

25% (648,500) of total forces in country were draftees. (66% of
U.S. armed forces members were drafted during WWII.
Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam.

SOCIO-ECONOMIC STATUS...

76% of the men sent to Vietnam were from lower middle/working class
backgrounds.
Thee-fourths had family incomes above the poverty level; 50% were
from middle income backgrounds.
Some 23% of Vietnam vets had fathers with professional, managerial
or technical occupations.
79% of the men who served in Vietnam had a high school education or
better when they entered the military service. (63% of Korean War vets
and only 45% of WWII vets had completed high school upon separation.)
Deaths by region per 100,000 of pupulation: South -- 31%, West --
29.9%; Midwest -- 28.4%; Northeast -- 23.5%.


Courtesy of the VFW Magazine and the Public Information Office,
HQ CP Forward Observer -1st Recon
April 12, 1997

World History Center


It would be more interesting to see the numbers between 1968 and 73
when the draft was really running in high gear. Johnson really cranked
it up. For example in december 1969 the first draw, 195 birthdays were
drawn. That is 53% of all the numbers in the barrel. Assuming
birthdays are fairly equally spread out across the year that was more
than half of the eligible draftees. They did an alphabetical drawing
to determine the induction order of those drawn by birthday.
You know, they write this stuff down.

On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 16:53:10 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


6:43 PMKeyser Soze
- show quoted text -
Once again, very few people were drafted. Here are some stats that in
many ways conflict with the pro-military bull**** you and others post he

During the Vietnam War era, between 1964 and 1973, the U.S. military
drafted 2.2 million American men out of an eligible pool of 27 million.
Although only 25 percent of the military force in the combat zones were
draftees, the system of conscription caused many young American men to
volunteer for the armed forces in order to have more of a choice of
which division in the military they would serve. While many soldiers did
support the war, at least initially, to others the draft seemed like a
death sentence: being sent to a war and fight for a cause that they did
not believe in.

https://is.gd/5bHfjG


Less than 10% of the availble pool of 27 million were drafted. Got that?

——-

ooks like you conveniently left out the rest of your cut n paste, Harry. Looks like you and Bill Clinton and Dick Cheaneyhid in college maybe?

“. Some sought refuge in college or parental deferments; others intentionally failed aptitude tests or otherwise evaded; thousands fled to Canada; the politically connected sought refuge in the National Guard; and a growing number engaged in direct resistance. Antiwar activists viewed the draft as immoral and the only means for
the government to continue the war with fresh soldiers. Ironically, as the draft continued to fuel the war effort, it also intensified the antiwar cause. Although the Selective Service’s deferment system meant that men of lower socioeconomic standing were most likely to be sent to the front lines, no one was completely safe from
the draft. Almost every American was either eligible to go to war or knew someone who was.�


Yeah that number includes everyone with a deferment

wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote:


BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical
skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because
they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid.
Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed.



Right, because what use would the military have for someone with
language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics
(sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the
military had no use for me.

Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed
they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal
arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in
Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up".


My wife’s best childhood friend married a West Point grad. The military
sent him to the Sorbonne for French and the defense language institute for
Vietnamese. Language specialist. Maybe they figured your grasp of
Russian and German would only be good for writing simple jingles. Or the
fat disqualified you.

wrote:
On 24 Mar 2018 21:53:24 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/24/2018 5:26 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:29:53 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/24/18 1:21 PM, wrote:


BTW the army did draft people in your position, if they had critical
skills. My buddy was drafted within months after graduating because
they wanted computer guys ... and he was married with a kid.
Evidently they had all of the liberal arts people they needed.



Right, because what use would the military have for someone with
language skills in Russian and German, and knowledge of group dynamics
(sociology), and skills to teach English to nincompoops. I'm happy the
military had no use for me.

Evidently not. If they really thought you had something they needed
they would have drafted you. They certainly had no need for a liberal
arts style of group dynamics and the only thing they wanted to say in
Russian is "You better stay in Russia or we will **** you up".


Oh...you think draft boards thought beyond filling a quota. That’s a laugh.
A member of a KC draft board who worked at the paper told me all they were
looking for were young men who could pass the preinduction physical with
reasonable health. Once they met their quota, they stopped looking. Period.
Perhaps the standards were a hair higher for enlisted. Perhaps.



So you had a thyroid condition back then too?




Nope, just not stupid. In college, for b.a. and m.a., reclassified after
that, not drafted (I was about 23 then), and got a high lottery number.
Delighted.

Math seems to say if you were 23 in 1970, the first year they had
draft lottery numbers (actually issued in Dec 1969), you were born in
1947. That certainly does not match the rest of the story. You have
alluded to being born before 1944 so you would have been 25+ when you
got a lottery number. The draft was over if you were 26 and most 25
year olds were not bother by it either.


I do not think harry is that old. I was born in 1943, and got a draft
notice. Lottery only applied to 1944 and younger. I count as an enlisted
soldier as I knew there was a draft notice with my name out there. Mom
had moved and they sent it to old address. I was in NCR school when I
took the draft physical, but got extended for,my re training so they lost
track of me. When I contact3d draft board I had until April induction
call to join service I wanted.