On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 06:20:36 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

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On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 02:50:28 -0000 (UTC), Bill
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 22:26:33 -0000 (UTC), Bill
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:22:05 -0400, John H.
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John, the Trader Joe PB we use is the crunchy unsalted PB. Needs stirring.
Lists ingredients ?dry roasted peanuts?. That?s total list of
ingredients.

I don't have the patience for stirring. Besides, palm oil is not that
bad for you. Hell, if Trader
Joe's puts it in their peanut butter, it can't be too damn bad, eh?

The biggest complaint about palm oil is the unsustainable way they get
it, not that it was bad for you.


It is sustainable, but probably the fertilizer, etc. seems as if less
problems than bananas. The palm oil plantations look like they have been
going a long time. Pollution from the processing. Dark smoke from the
stacks. I think they used the dates after pressing for the heat source.

The issue is how they clear rain forests to plant palms for the oil. I
suppose you could say the same thing about most farming but palms and
sugar cane seem to be the ones they talk about the most. It is true
that the rise in CO2 does coincide with the rise of agriculture and
the booming population that allowed.


The place I saw palms was coastal Costa Rica. Not the true rain forest.
The palm plantations looked old. They do replace trees, we saw that.
Probably requires a lot of fertilizer. Worst crop from what I saw was
bananas. Talking to the fishing guide, he says environmental disaster.
Normal banana plant has one crop a year. They heavily fertilize and get
two crops and use lots of pesticides. When the rainy season arrives, the
excess fertilizer and poison kills lot of the fish in the rivers and delta
areas. We were in Tortuguero and he said lots of dead tarpon floating at
that time.

My bananas don't get anything but the water from the washing machine.


Do you eat your bananas?

Sure but they are so packed with sugar, you can't really eat a lot of
them. These are not those bright yellow hybrids with no taste and a
grainy texture like you get at the grocery store. They are short, fat
and soft inside. Since I do not use pesticides on them, the skins are
usually not all that pretty but it is just the skin that is affected.
Nature is good about that sort of thing.
The same is true of citrus. If an orange is really pretty, you can
believe there is not a lot of taste in there. I won't even buy
California Navels because they are virtually tasteless. Maybe you get
better ones out there but the ones you ship are ****.