On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 02:50:28 -0000 (UTC), Bill
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 22:26:33 -0000 (UTC), Bill
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:22:05 -0400, John H.
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John, the Trader Joe PB we use is the crunchy unsalted PB. Needs stirring.
Lists ingredients “dry roasted peanuts�. That’s total list of
ingredients.

I don't have the patience for stirring. Besides, palm oil is not that
bad for you. Hell, if Trader
Joe's puts it in their peanut butter, it can't be too damn bad, eh?

The biggest complaint about palm oil is the unsustainable way they get
it, not that it was bad for you.


It is sustainable, but probably the fertilizer, etc. seems as if less
problems than bananas. The palm oil plantations look like they have been
going a long time. Pollution from the processing. Dark smoke from the
stacks. I think they used the dates after pressing for the heat source.

The issue is how they clear rain forests to plant palms for the oil. I
suppose you could say the same thing about most farming but palms and
sugar cane seem to be the ones they talk about the most. It is true
that the rise in CO2 does coincide with the rise of agriculture and
the booming population that allowed.


The place I saw palms was coastal Costa Rica. Not the true rain forest.
The palm plantations looked old. They do replace trees, we saw that.
Probably requires a lot of fertilizer. Worst crop from what I saw was
bananas. Talking to the fishing guide, he says environmental disaster.
Normal banana plant has one crop a year. They heavily fertilize and get
two crops and use lots of pesticides. When the rainy season arrives, the
excess fertilizer and poison kills lot of the fish in the rivers and delta
areas. We were in Tortuguero and he said lots of dead tarpon floating at
that time.

My bananas don't get anything but the water from the washing machine.