"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
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On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 14:20:52 -0800, "jps" wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .

Yes, I was there. Yes, I was wounded. Yes, I was awarded a Purple
Heart.
No, not
baseless rhetoric.

So, what you're saying is that your Purple Heart was based on stupidity
or
coincidence so everyone else's must've been too.

A Purple Heart is based on only one thing: being wounded in action while
serving
as a member of the U.S. Armed Services.

So all one can reliably conclude is that the recipient of a Purple Heart
served
on active duty, saw some sort of action and was wounded.

I don't think it takes a genius to agree that a serviceperson (awkward
inclusive
language!) can get wounded as severely while doing something smart and
brave as
they can doing something stupid and not-so-brave. Either situation meets
the
criteria for the Purple Heart.

Kerry requested the transfer just days after a March 13, 1969 incident for
which he was awarded a Bronze Star. Kerry, while under fire, rescued a Green
Beret who had fallen overboard. Kerry had been wounded just moments earlier
when a mine detonated near his "swift boat," the small vessels that made
forays into the Mekong River delta.

"The man was receiving sniper fire from both banks," according to Kerry's
Bronze Star citation. "Lt. Kerry directed his gunners to provide suppressing
fire, while from an exposed position on the bow, his arm bleeding and in
pain, with disregard for his personal safety, he pulled the man aboard."



Doesn't sound accidental that Kerry was awarded three Purple Hearts and a
Bronze Star.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:bo19f0$1737k2$1@ID-
Frankly, aside from one or two "announced" Dems who are nothing more
than "fringe" candidates

Who are the "fringe" Democratic candidates? The non-white ones?


Anybody that would align themselves with today's misguided and out-of-touch
Democratic party is a "fringe" candidate, IMO.

NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:bo19f0$1737k2$1@ID-
Frankly, aside from one or two "announced" Dems who are nothing more
than "fringe" candidates

Who are the "fringe" Democratic candidates? The non-white ones?


Anybody that would align themselves with today's misguided and out-of-touch
Democratic party is a "fringe" candidate, IMO.





Yeah, but you're nothing but an inexperienced, unworldly, 30-year-old
dentist who lives in RetirementVillage. What the hell would you know?

"jps" wrote in message
...

"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 14:20:52 -0800, "jps" wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .

Yes, I was there. Yes, I was wounded. Yes, I was awarded a Purple
Heart.
No, not
baseless rhetoric.

So, what you're saying is that your Purple Heart was based on stupidity
or
coincidence so everyone else's must've been too.

A Purple Heart is based on only one thing: being wounded in action while
serving
as a member of the U.S. Armed Services.

So all one can reliably conclude is that the recipient of a Purple Heart
served
on active duty, saw some sort of action and was wounded.

I don't think it takes a genius to agree that a serviceperson (awkward
inclusive
language!) can get wounded as severely while doing something smart and
brave as
they can doing something stupid and not-so-brave. Either situation
meets
the
criteria for the Purple Heart.

Kerry requested the transfer just days after a March 13, 1969 incident for
which he was awarded a Bronze Star. Kerry, while under fire, rescued a
Green
Beret who had fallen overboard. Kerry had been wounded just moments
earlier
when a mine detonated near his "swift boat," the small vessels that made
forays into the Mekong River delta.

"The man was receiving sniper fire from both banks," according to Kerry's
Bronze Star citation. "Lt. Kerry directed his gunners to provide
suppressing
fire, while from an exposed position on the bow, his arm bleeding and in
pain, with disregard for his personal safety, he pulled the man aboard."



Doesn't sound accidental that Kerry was awarded three Purple Hearts and a
Bronze Star.



Purple hearts and Medals do not make a person presidential material. Audi
Murphy was the most decorated soldier in WWII. Did not have a high school
education. My uncle spent 4.5 years in the South Pacific as a shooter in WW
II. 5 purple hearts that he even picked up. Bronze star with Oak leaf
clusters. Great guy, but would not have made a good political leader.
There were smart guys and not so smart guys getting shot in all the wars.
Friend was a medic and then a pilot in Viet Nam. Shot down a couple of
times, captured and escaped one time. Ph.D. degree now. John McCain was a
pilot also, did not escape and does not have a Ph.D.. Does not that make
him ineligible for office under your criteria?

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

Purple hearts and Medals do not make a person presidential material. Audi
Murphy was the most decorated soldier in WWII. Did not have a high school
education. My uncle spent 4.5 years in the South Pacific as a shooter in
WW
II. 5 purple hearts that he even picked up. Bronze star with Oak leaf
clusters. Great guy, but would not have made a good political leader.
There were smart guys and not so smart guys getting shot in all the wars.
Friend was a medic and then a pilot in Viet Nam. Shot down a couple of
times, captured and escaped one time. Ph.D. degree now. John McCain was
a
pilot also, did not escape and does not have a Ph.D.. Does not that make
him ineligible for office under your criteria?

I didn't establish any criteria...

The reason the info on Kerry was posted was in response to the part time
math teacher's assertion that none of the dems in the race had any balls.

I'd say it takes balls, while wounded and bleeding, to jump out on the bow
of a vessel in the middle of a firefight to pull someone aboard who would've
been doomed.

So, assuming the "balls" question is answered, don't you think this shows
leadership skills and a willingness to be responsible?

That's a hell of a lot more than we're getting now.

Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...

"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 14:20:52 -0800, "jps" wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .

Yes, I was there. Yes, I was wounded. Yes, I was awarded a Purple
Heart.
No, not
baseless rhetoric.

So, what you're saying is that your Purple Heart was based on stupidity
or
coincidence so everyone else's must've been too.

A Purple Heart is based on only one thing: being wounded in action while
serving
as a member of the U.S. Armed Services.

So all one can reliably conclude is that the recipient of a Purple Heart
served
on active duty, saw some sort of action and was wounded.

I don't think it takes a genius to agree that a serviceperson (awkward
inclusive
language!) can get wounded as severely while doing something smart and
brave as
they can doing something stupid and not-so-brave. Either situation
meets
the
criteria for the Purple Heart.

Kerry requested the transfer just days after a March 13, 1969 incident for
which he was awarded a Bronze Star. Kerry, while under fire, rescued a
Green
Beret who had fallen overboard. Kerry had been wounded just moments
earlier
when a mine detonated near his "swift boat," the small vessels that made
forays into the Mekong River delta.

"The man was receiving sniper fire from both banks," according to Kerry's
Bronze Star citation. "Lt. Kerry directed his gunners to provide
suppressing
fire, while from an exposed position on the bow, his arm bleeding and in
pain, with disregard for his personal safety, he pulled the man aboard."



Doesn't sound accidental that Kerry was awarded three Purple Hearts and a
Bronze Star.



Purple hearts and Medals do not make a person presidential material.

But in your mind, skipping out on the last year of duty in the Texas Air
National Guard qualifies you if you are Dubya the Chimp?

I don't believe "military service" qualifies or disqualifies anyone for
political office. Some who serve in the military are able to develop or
improve existing skills that might be important later in life. Many
others do not.

Look at who we have in the White House now. A dull, inarticulate moron,
a boozing, coke-snorting frat boy whose life was fed to him on a silver
spoon. Obviously, to Boobus Americanus, there are no significant
qualifications one must have to hold higher office.

jps wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

Purple hearts and Medals do not make a person presidential material. Audi
Murphy was the most decorated soldier in WWII. Did not have a high school
education. My uncle spent 4.5 years in the South Pacific as a shooter in
WW
II. 5 purple hearts that he even picked up. Bronze star with Oak leaf
clusters. Great guy, but would not have made a good political leader.
There were smart guys and not so smart guys getting shot in all the wars.
Friend was a medic and then a pilot in Viet Nam. Shot down a couple of
times, captured and escaped one time. Ph.D. degree now. John McCain was
a
pilot also, did not escape and does not have a Ph.D.. Does not that make
him ineligible for office under your criteria?

I didn't establish any criteria...

The reason the info on Kerry was posted was in response to the part time
math teacher's assertion that none of the dems in the race had any balls.

Was the part-time math teacher positing that Bush had balls? His father
did, but Dubya? He's just a frat boy.

I also wonder who he considers to be a "fringe candidate".


"NOYB" wrote in message
. com...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:bo19f0$1737k2$1@ID-
Frankly, aside from one or two "announced" Dems who are nothing more
than "fringe" candidates

Who are the "fringe" Democratic candidates? The non-white ones?


Anybody that would align themselves with today's misguided and
out-of-touch
Democratic party is a "fringe" candidate, IMO.

On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 16:22:19 -0800, "jps" wrote:

"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 14:20:52 -0800, "jps" wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .

Yes, I was there. Yes, I was wounded. Yes, I was awarded a Purple
Heart.
No, not
baseless rhetoric.

So, what you're saying is that your Purple Heart was based on stupidity
or
coincidence so everyone else's must've been too.

A Purple Heart is based on only one thing: being wounded in action while
serving
as a member of the U.S. Armed Services.

So all one can reliably conclude is that the recipient of a Purple Heart
served
on active duty, saw some sort of action and was wounded.

I don't think it takes a genius to agree that a serviceperson (awkward
inclusive
language!) can get wounded as severely while doing something smart and
brave as
they can doing something stupid and not-so-brave. Either situation meets
the
criteria for the Purple Heart.

Kerry requested the transfer just days after a March 13, 1969 incident for
which he was awarded a Bronze Star. Kerry, while under fire, rescued a Green
Beret who had fallen overboard. Kerry had been wounded just moments earlier
when a mine detonated near his "swift boat," the small vessels that made
forays into the Mekong River delta.

"The man was receiving sniper fire from both banks," according to Kerry's
Bronze Star citation. "Lt. Kerry directed his gunners to provide suppressing
fire, while from an exposed position on the bow, his arm bleeding and in
pain, with disregard for his personal safety, he pulled the man aboard."



Doesn't sound accidental that Kerry was awarded three Purple Hearts and a
Bronze Star.

Nothing in my comments about the Order of the Purple Heart should be construed
as being anything other than respectful. During armed conflict, many people do
things we might call "stupid," and which resulted in their being wounded. They
are no less deserving of respect.

There is a huge difference between a medal like the Bronze Star, which is
awarded based on "heroic or meritorious achievement or service" and a Purple
Heart, which is awarded solely upon the recipient's having been wounded.

The criteria by which a Purple Heart is awarded are quite specific.

Joe Parsons

A Purple Heart is based on only one thing: being wounded in action while
serving
as a member of the U.S. Armed Services.

The wound must come from an instrument of war in the hands of the enemy.
Simply being wounded in action is not enough to be awarded the Purple Heart.