On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:08:41 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:



I suggested an approach:

The answer is to harden the entry to schools, watch closely who enters,
have bulletproof doors to classrooms, do what is possible to cut down on
the number and sorts of firearms available to the general public,
provide a higher level of counseling to students, raise the age limit
for obtaining a rifle, have better background checks, and treat the NRA
for what it is...a trade association that exists mostly to promote the
sale of firearms and ammo and lobbies for more and more firearms.

I really doubt new laws do anything but change how the bad guy gets
his gun., The country is awash with them.
The bullet proof door is not really necessary if the teacher gets the
kids out of the line if fire but you may want to armor the strike
plate a little better so it is hard to shoot out the lock. Commercial
products are already available for that.
The one you miss is get rid of the diversion programs that keep
violent kids out of jail. That may be exactly where they belong ...
like this ****er. If the school had pursued the charges they had, he
would not have passed the background check. If the Sheriff had
followed up on the complaints, he would have been in prison for 10
years, just on the aggravated assault with a gun.

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On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:08:41 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:



I suggested an approach:

The answer is to harden the entry to schools, watch closely who enters,
have bulletproof doors to classrooms, do what is possible to cut down on
the number and sorts of firearms available to the general public,
provide a higher level of counseling to students, raise the age limit
for obtaining a rifle, have better background checks, and treat the NRA
for what it is...a trade association that exists mostly to promote the
sale of firearms and ammo and lobbies for more and more firearms.

I really doubt new laws do anything but change how the bad guy gets
his gun., The country is awash with them.
The bullet proof door is not really necessary if the teacher gets the
kids out of the line if fire but you may want to armor the strike
plate a little better so it is hard to shoot out the lock. Commercial
products are already available for that.
The one you miss is get rid of the diversion programs that keep
violent kids out of jail. That may be exactly where they belong ...
like this ****er. If the school had pursued the charges they had, he
would not have passed the background check. If the Sheriff had
followed up on the complaints, he would have been in prison for 10
years, just on the aggravated assault with a gun.


You don't want to give the shrinks a shot at rehabilitating him?
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On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 16:51:00 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

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On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:08:41 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:



I suggested an approach:

The answer is to harden the entry to schools, watch closely who enters,
have bulletproof doors to classrooms, do what is possible to cut down on
the number and sorts of firearms available to the general public,
provide a higher level of counseling to students, raise the age limit
for obtaining a rifle, have better background checks, and treat the NRA
for what it is...a trade association that exists mostly to promote the
sale of firearms and ammo and lobbies for more and more firearms.

I really doubt new laws do anything but change how the bad guy gets
his gun., The country is awash with them.
The bullet proof door is not really necessary if the teacher gets the
kids out of the line if fire but you may want to armor the strike
plate a little better so it is hard to shoot out the lock. Commercial
products are already available for that.
The one you miss is get rid of the diversion programs that keep
violent kids out of jail. That may be exactly where they belong ...
like this ****er. If the school had pursued the charges they had, he
would not have passed the background check. If the Sheriff had
followed up on the complaints, he would have been in prison for 10
years, just on the aggravated assault with a gun.


You don't want to give the shrinks a shot at rehabilitating him?

This is Florida, we kill killers here. I hope he is in the express
line to the needle. He really deserves Old Sparky.
I still may not happen.
I imagine he will get life without parole ... then they will parole
him the next time we get a democrat governor.

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On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 16:51:00 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Wrote in message:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:08:41 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:



I suggested an approach:

The answer is to harden the entry to schools, watch closely who enters,
have bulletproof doors to classrooms, do what is possible to cut down on
the number and sorts of firearms available to the general public,
provide a higher level of counseling to students, raise the age limit
for obtaining a rifle, have better background checks, and treat the NRA
for what it is...a trade association that exists mostly to promote the
sale of firearms and ammo and lobbies for more and more firearms.

I really doubt new laws do anything but change how the bad guy gets
his gun., The country is awash with them.
The bullet proof door is not really necessary if the teacher gets the
kids out of the line if fire but you may want to armor the strike
plate a little better so it is hard to shoot out the lock. Commercial
products are already available for that.
The one you miss is get rid of the diversion programs that keep
violent kids out of jail. That may be exactly where they belong ...
like this ****er. If the school had pursued the charges they had, he
would not have passed the background check. If the Sheriff had
followed up on the complaints, he would have been in prison for 10
years, just on the aggravated assault with a gun.


You don't want to give the shrinks a shot at rehabilitating him?

This is Florida, we kill killers here. I hope he is in the express
line to the needle. He really deserves Old Sparky.
I still may not happen.
I imagine he will get life without parole ... then they will parole
him the next time we get a democrat governor.


Better keep that little snot Ayela off the case.
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On 2/26/18 3:45 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:08:41 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:



I suggested an approach:

The answer is to harden the entry to schools, watch closely who enters,
have bulletproof doors to classrooms, do what is possible to cut down on
the number and sorts of firearms available to the general public,
provide a higher level of counseling to students, raise the age limit
for obtaining a rifle, have better background checks, and treat the NRA
for what it is...a trade association that exists mostly to promote the
sale of firearms and ammo and lobbies for more and more firearms.

I really doubt new laws do anything but change how the bad guy gets
his gun., The country is awash with them.
The bullet proof door is not really necessary if the teacher gets the
kids out of the line if fire but you may want to armor the strike
plate a little better so it is hard to shoot out the lock. Commercial
products are already available for that.
The one you miss is get rid of the diversion programs that keep
violent kids out of jail. That may be exactly where they belong ...
like this ****er. If the school had pursued the charges they had, he
would not have passed the background check. If the Sheriff had
followed up on the complaints, he would have been in prison for 10
years, just on the aggravated assault with a gun.


Right, so 10 years later, he'd come out a much wilier, more capable
criminal. I'm not saying we shouldn't jail violent criminals, but what
that seems to produce with our ****ty, overcrowded prison system is more
hardened criminals. You have to wonder why we imprison more people than
anyone else, and a higher percentage of our population, too. It's just
another of our society's failures.

On 2/26/2018 4:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 3:45 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:08:41 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:



I suggested an approach:

The answer is to harden the entry to schools, watch closely who enters,
have bulletproof doors to classrooms, do what is possible to cut down on
the number and sorts of firearms available to the general public,
provide a higher level of counseling to students, raise the age limit
for obtaining a rifle, have better background checks, and treat the NRA
for what it is...a trade association that exists mostly to promote the
sale of firearms and ammo and lobbies for more and more firearms.

I really doubt new laws do anything but change how the bad guy gets
his gun., The country is awash with them.
The bullet proof door is not really necessary if the teacher gets the
kids out of the line if fire but you may want to armor the strike
plate a little better so it is hard to shoot out the lock. Commercial
products are already available for that.
The one you miss is get rid of the diversion programs that keep
violent kids out of jail. That may be exactly where they belong ...
like this ****er. If the school had pursued the charges they had, he
would not have passed the background check. If the Sheriff had
followed up on the complaints, he would have been in prison for 10
years, just on the aggravated assault with a gun.


Right, so 10 years later, he'd come out a much wilier, more capable
criminal. I'm not saying we shouldn't jail violent criminals, but what
that seems to produce with our ****ty, overcrowded prison system is more
hardened criminals. You have to wonder why we imprison more people than
anyone else, and a higher percentage of our population, too. It's just
another of our society's failures.


Yup. Even the prisons in the USA suck according to Harry.

We need more social workers and shrinks I guess. Except, they are swore
to secrecy.

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 19:14:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 4:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 3:45 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:08:41 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:



I suggested an approach:

The answer is to harden the entry to schools, watch closely who enters,
have bulletproof doors to classrooms, do what is possible to cut down on
the number and sorts of firearms available to the general public,
provide a higher level of counseling to students, raise the age limit
for obtaining a rifle, have better background checks, and treat the NRA
for what it is...a trade association that exists mostly to promote the
sale of firearms and ammo and lobbies for more and more firearms.

I really doubt new laws do anything but change how the bad guy gets
his gun., The country is awash with them.
The bullet proof door is not really necessary if the teacher gets the
kids out of the line if fire but you may want to armor the strike
plate a little better so it is hard to shoot out the lock. Commercial
products are already available for that.
The one you miss is get rid of the diversion programs that keep
violent kids out of jail. That may be exactly where they belong ...
like this ****er. If the school had pursued the charges they had, he
would not have passed the background check. If the Sheriff had
followed up on the complaints, he would have been in prison for 10
years, just on the aggravated assault with a gun.


Right, so 10 years later, he'd come out a much wilier, more capable
criminal. I'm not saying we shouldn't jail violent criminals, but what
that seems to produce with our ****ty, overcrowded prison system is more
hardened criminals. You have to wonder why we imprison more people than
anyone else, and a higher percentage of our population, too. It's just
another of our society's failures.


Yup. Even the prisons in the USA suck according to Harry.

We need more social workers and shrinks I guess. Except, they are swore
to secrecy.

My daughter's best friend when they were growing up was a prison
therapist for a while. She quit. It is largely hopeless. It was the
same prison where I watched a guy get killed.
This is not Sunday School.

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On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 19:14:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 4:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 3:45 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:08:41 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:



I suggested an approach:

The answer is to harden the entry to schools, watch closely who enters,
have bulletproof doors to classrooms, do what is possible to cut down on
the number and sorts of firearms available to the general public,
provide a higher level of counseling to students, raise the age limit
for obtaining a rifle, have better background checks, and treat the NRA
for what it is...a trade association that exists mostly to promote the
sale of firearms and ammo and lobbies for more and more firearms.

I really doubt new laws do anything but change how the bad guy gets
his gun., The country is awash with them.
The bullet proof door is not really necessary if the teacher gets the
kids out of the line if fire but you may want to armor the strike
plate a little better so it is hard to shoot out the lock. Commercial
products are already available for that.
The one you miss is get rid of the diversion programs that keep
violent kids out of jail. That may be exactly where they belong ...
like this ****er. If the school had pursued the charges they had, he
would not have passed the background check. If the Sheriff had
followed up on the complaints, he would have been in prison for 10
years, just on the aggravated assault with a gun.


Right, so 10 years later, he'd come out a much wilier, more capable
criminal. I'm not saying we shouldn't jail violent criminals, but what
that seems to produce with our ****ty, overcrowded prison system is more
hardened criminals. You have to wonder why we imprison more people than
anyone else, and a higher percentage of our population, too. It's just
another of our society's failures.


Yup. Even the prisons in the USA suck according to Harry.

We need more social workers and shrinks I guess. Except, they are swore
to secrecy.

My daughter's best friend when they were growing up was a prison
therapist for a while. She quit. It is largely hopeless. It was the
same prison where I watched a guy get killed.
This is not Sunday School.



Shrink therapy should work just as well with prisoners as it does
with paying customers.
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On 2/26/18 11:52 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 19:14:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 4:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 3:45 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:08:41 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:



I suggested an approach:

The answer is to harden the entry to schools, watch closely who enters,
have bulletproof doors to classrooms, do what is possible to cut down on
the number and sorts of firearms available to the general public,
provide a higher level of counseling to students, raise the age limit
for obtaining a rifle, have better background checks, and treat the NRA
for what it is...a trade association that exists mostly to promote the
sale of firearms and ammo and lobbies for more and more firearms.

I really doubt new laws do anything but change how the bad guy gets
his gun., The country is awash with them.
The bullet proof door is not really necessary if the teacher gets the
kids out of the line if fire but you may want to armor the strike
plate a little better so it is hard to shoot out the lock. Commercial
products are already available for that.
The one you miss is get rid of the diversion programs that keep
violent kids out of jail. That may be exactly where they belong ...
like this ****er. If the school had pursued the charges they had, he
would not have passed the background check. If the Sheriff had
followed up on the complaints, he would have been in prison for 10
years, just on the aggravated assault with a gun.


Right, so 10 years later, he'd come out a much wilier, more capable
criminal. I'm not saying we shouldn't jail violent criminals, but what
that seems to produce with our ****ty, overcrowded prison system is more
hardened criminals. You have to wonder why we imprison more people than
anyone else, and a higher percentage of our population, too. It's just
another of our society's failures.


Yup. Even the prisons in the USA suck according to Harry.

We need more social workers and shrinks I guess. Except, they are swore
to secrecy.

My daughter's best friend when they were growing up was a prison
therapist for a while. She quit. It is largely hopeless. It was the
same prison where I watched a guy get killed.
This is not Sunday School.




My wife worked for a year at a large mental hospital in Florida, a
facility mostly for the mentally ill who were there in connection with
criminal charges, including murderers. Some inmates were capable of
being helped to the point where they could return to society. Of course,
the therapists were not libertarians, so they weren't willing to give up
on those they were trying to help.

On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 09:02:58 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/26/18 11:52 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 19:14:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 4:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/26/18 3:45 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:08:41 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:



I suggested an approach:

The answer is to harden the entry to schools, watch closely who enters,
have bulletproof doors to classrooms, do what is possible to cut down on
the number and sorts of firearms available to the general public,
provide a higher level of counseling to students, raise the age limit
for obtaining a rifle, have better background checks, and treat the NRA
for what it is...a trade association that exists mostly to promote the
sale of firearms and ammo and lobbies for more and more firearms.

I really doubt new laws do anything but change how the bad guy gets
his gun., The country is awash with them.
The bullet proof door is not really necessary if the teacher gets the
kids out of the line if fire but you may want to armor the strike
plate a little better so it is hard to shoot out the lock. Commercial
products are already available for that.
The one you miss is get rid of the diversion programs that keep
violent kids out of jail. That may be exactly where they belong ...
like this ****er. If the school had pursued the charges they had, he
would not have passed the background check. If the Sheriff had
followed up on the complaints, he would have been in prison for 10
years, just on the aggravated assault with a gun.


Right, so 10 years later, he'd come out a much wilier, more capable
criminal. I'm not saying we shouldn't jail violent criminals, but what
that seems to produce with our ****ty, overcrowded prison system is more
hardened criminals. You have to wonder why we imprison more people than
anyone else, and a higher percentage of our population, too. It's just
another of our society's failures.


Yup. Even the prisons in the USA suck according to Harry.

We need more social workers and shrinks I guess. Except, they are swore
to secrecy.

My daughter's best friend when they were growing up was a prison
therapist for a while. She quit. It is largely hopeless. It was the
same prison where I watched a guy get killed.
This is not Sunday School.




My wife worked for a year at a large mental hospital in Florida, a
facility mostly for the mentally ill who were there in connection with
criminal charges, including murderers. Some inmates were capable of
being helped to the point where they could return to society. Of course,
the therapists were not libertarians, so they weren't willing to give up
on those they were trying to help.

All of them could be returned to society. It's what they do next that counts!