On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:22:48 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/26/18 9:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 9:01 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
True North wrote:
How long will it be before the first teacher accidently shoots a
student.
It will happen considering how gun crazy people are south of the border.


Bet on it. Dumbest idea ever.



You have (or had) a concealed carry permit.
I have a concealed carry permit.
Many people have a concealed carry permit.

What's the purpose of a concealed carry permit?

Last resort self-defense for yourself and/or others.Â* Correct?

What's so different about a teacher who wants a concealed carry permit
(or already has one) ?

The difference is the teacher unions.Â* Special authorization would be
required to be armed on public school property.



1. It is difficult if not impossible for a skilled, motivated shooter
with a handgun to face down a ****ed-off shooter with a high-powered
semi-auto rifle. Most school shooters are using AR-type rifles. A
teacher with a handgun likely will not have a lot of experience shooting
and is likely going to be cut down in short order.

2. When the police enter a building in which there is an active shooter,
they tend to identify the shooter as the person holding and perhaps
shooting the firearm. More dead teachers.

3. Where is the teacher supposed to keep the firearm? Will it be stolen?
Or will a kid, especially a little kid, grab the firearm to play with it
and accidentally shoot himself or a buddy or the teacher?

4. Lawsuits. Lots of lawsuits. You can imagine the variety.


The answer is to harden the entry to schools, watch closely who enters,
have bulletproof doors to classrooms, do what is possible to cut down on
the number and sorts of firearms available to the general public,
provide a higher level of counseling to students, raise the age limit
for obtaining a rifle, have better background checks, and treat the NRA
for what it is...a trade association that exists mostly to promote the
sale of firearms and ammo and lobbies for more and more firearms.

I agree most teachers are not going to be good candidates
The janitor might be a better candidate for carrying the gun.

I do think the school systems with these "diversion" programs where
they fail to report criminal students are partially responsible. If
Parkland HS had reported the crimes Cruz committed in school, he would
have a record that would have prevented him from buying the gun.
The Sheriff also failed to act on credible reports of felonies.

On 2/26/2018 12:00 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:22:48 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/26/18 9:14 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/26/2018 9:01 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
True North wrote:
How long will it be before the first teacher accidently shoots a
student.
It will happen considering how gun crazy people are south of the border.


Bet on it. Dumbest idea ever.



You have (or had) a concealed carry permit.
I have a concealed carry permit.
Many people have a concealed carry permit.

What's the purpose of a concealed carry permit?

Last resort self-defense for yourself and/or others.Â* Correct?

What's so different about a teacher who wants a concealed carry permit
(or already has one) ?

The difference is the teacher unions.Â* Special authorization would be
required to be armed on public school property.



1. It is difficult if not impossible for a skilled, motivated shooter
with a handgun to face down a ****ed-off shooter with a high-powered
semi-auto rifle. Most school shooters are using AR-type rifles. A
teacher with a handgun likely will not have a lot of experience shooting
and is likely going to be cut down in short order.

2. When the police enter a building in which there is an active shooter,
they tend to identify the shooter as the person holding and perhaps
shooting the firearm. More dead teachers.

3. Where is the teacher supposed to keep the firearm? Will it be stolen?
Or will a kid, especially a little kid, grab the firearm to play with it
and accidentally shoot himself or a buddy or the teacher?

4. Lawsuits. Lots of lawsuits. You can imagine the variety.


The answer is to harden the entry to schools, watch closely who enters,
have bulletproof doors to classrooms, do what is possible to cut down on
the number and sorts of firearms available to the general public,
provide a higher level of counseling to students, raise the age limit
for obtaining a rifle, have better background checks, and treat the NRA
for what it is...a trade association that exists mostly to promote the
sale of firearms and ammo and lobbies for more and more firearms.

I agree most teachers are not going to be good candidates
The janitor might be a better candidate for carrying the gun.

I do think the school systems with these "diversion" programs where
they fail to report criminal students are partially responsible. If
Parkland HS had reported the crimes Cruz committed in school, he would
have a record that would have prevented him from buying the gun.
The Sheriff also failed to act on credible reports of felonies.



Heh. I have to chuckle. You *are* discriminating against teachers.
What makes them any different than the janitor if they both have the
same level of training in the use of firearms?

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 12:24:57 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 12:00 PM, wrote:

I agree most teachers are not going to be good candidates
The janitor might be a better candidate for carrying the gun.

I do think the school systems with these "diversion" programs where
they fail to report criminal students are partially responsible. If
Parkland HS had reported the crimes Cruz committed in school, he would
have a record that would have prevented him from buying the gun.
The Sheriff also failed to act on credible reports of felonies.



Heh. I have to chuckle. You *are* discriminating against teachers.
What makes them any different than the janitor if they both have the
same level of training in the use of firearms?



Without resorting to stereotypes I will guess the janitor might not be
as genteel as the teachers.

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 16:23:33 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 12:24:57 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 12:00 PM, wrote:

I agree most teachers are not going to be good candidates
The janitor might be a better candidate for carrying the gun.

I do think the school systems with these "diversion" programs where
they fail to report criminal students are partially responsible. If
Parkland HS had reported the crimes Cruz committed in school, he would
have a record that would have prevented him from buying the gun.
The Sheriff also failed to act on credible reports of felonies.



Heh. I have to chuckle. You *are* discriminating against teachers.
What makes them any different than the janitor if they both have the
same level of training in the use of firearms?



Without resorting to stereotypes I will guess the janitor might not be
as genteel as the teachers.

Au contraire mon frère! You forget the 'mother' or 'father' instinct that would kick in when someone
starts messing with a teacher's kids. Our opinions of janitors and teachers differs tremendously in
this regard.

On 2/26/2018 4:36 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 16:23:33 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 12:24:57 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 12:00 PM, wrote:

I agree most teachers are not going to be good candidates
The janitor might be a better candidate for carrying the gun.

I do think the school systems with these "diversion" programs where
they fail to report criminal students are partially responsible. If
Parkland HS had reported the crimes Cruz committed in school, he would
have a record that would have prevented him from buying the gun.
The Sheriff also failed to act on credible reports of felonies.



Heh. I have to chuckle. You *are* discriminating against teachers.
What makes them any different than the janitor if they both have the
same level of training in the use of firearms?



Without resorting to stereotypes I will guess the janitor might not be
as genteel as the teachers.


Au contraire mon frère! You forget the 'mother' or 'father' instinct that would kick in when someone
starts messing with a teacher's kids. Our opinions of janitors and teachers differs tremendously in
this regard.


I agree. A good teacher has a bit of a maternal/paternal sense of
commitment to the kids in their charge, especially for very young kids
like those killed at Sandy Hook.

The janitor with nothing to lose except his own life might be the first
to exit stage left.

Then again, I have heard of janitors that have a deep affection for kids
in their schools and would probably lay down their own life to save a
kid or two like the football coach in Florida. He wasn't a teacher.
He was a coach and unarmed security guard.

Bottom line is .. we are all people and, until faced with the challenge,
nobody really knows how they would react. Training at the range or
hunting groundhogs just isn't the same, IMO.

On 2/26/2018 4:23 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 12:24:57 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/26/2018 12:00 PM, wrote:

I agree most teachers are not going to be good candidates
The janitor might be a better candidate for carrying the gun.

I do think the school systems with these "diversion" programs where
they fail to report criminal students are partially responsible. If
Parkland HS had reported the crimes Cruz committed in school, he would
have a record that would have prevented him from buying the gun.
The Sheriff also failed to act on credible reports of felonies.



Heh. I have to chuckle. You *are* discriminating against teachers.
What makes them any different than the janitor if they both have the
same level of training in the use of firearms?



Without resorting to stereotypes I will guess the janitor might not be
as genteel as the teachers.



LOL