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On 2/24/2018 6:12 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:22:22 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 14:58:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/24/2018 2:50 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/24/18 2:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/24/2018 2:25 PM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 09:36:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: I'll betcha it's not so much a case of being anti-gun as it is legal beagles recognizing that litigation could extend not only to the shooter, the store that sold him the firearm (already happens) and to the financing agency that made the purchase possible.Â* I'll bet more credit card issuers will start prohibiting the use of their cards for firearm purchases in the future. There is legislation in place that shields sellers and manufacturers. The left really wants to change that but not with much success so far. This credit card thing is just kubuki theater. Like you say, once the water calms down I bet it goes away, particularly if a number of big chains decide to tell them to **** off. Like someone said before, where does this stop? Are they going to stop processing charges for dangerous food next? Far more people die from obesity related disease than from guns, by a couple orders of magnitude Why don't we just ban everything the ATF people regulate and be Â* done with it. Of the three, I don't know which is Â* deadliest. Greg seems to think that all of our society problems are mutually inclusive, meaning you can only fix 'em if you fix *all* of them at once.Â* It's ok to take one or two at a time. My take on Greg is that he has no interest in anything other than the anti-rule, anti-regulation, anti-societal libertarian nonsense. That means no regulatory efforts to fix anything. Don't like dirty air? Wear a gas mask. Dirty water? Filter it. Too many high-powered guns in the wrong hands? Wear body armor. I like Greg and have respect for his accomplishments, knowledge and technical expertise. But I don't think I've ever come across anyone who can come up with as many reasons why you *can't* do something as he can. It makes me chuckle sometimes. It's a little surprising because usually those with a technical or engineering bent are just the opposite. Tell an engineer he can't do something and he'll spend a lifetime trying to prove you wrong. I lived my life on the other end of that product cycle and I see what engineers can't do. If they weren't wrong so often I would not have had a job. I didn't lose my job because they got any better. It was just because we simply throw away their mistakes and buy a new one instead of trying to fix it. === I think you'd have to concede that the electronics of today are orders of magnitude more reliable than 50 or 60 years ago. Even more importantly, the complex electromechanical devices that IBM was famous for, have mostly been phased out. Very true and one of the reasons in hindsight that I am grateful that I never tried to pursue a career in engineering using discrete components and devices. The basic electronic engineering education I received led to another, more physics related field that I enjoyed very much. |
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On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 18:37:02 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 2/24/2018 6:12 PM, wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:22:22 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 14:58:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/24/2018 2:50 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/24/18 2:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/24/2018 2:25 PM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 09:36:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: I'll betcha it's not so much a case of being anti-gun as it is legal beagles recognizing that litigation could extend not only to the shooter, the store that sold him the firearm (already happens) and to the financing agency that made the purchase possible.Â* I'll bet more credit card issuers will start prohibiting the use of their cards for firearm purchases in the future. There is legislation in place that shields sellers and manufacturers. The left really wants to change that but not with much success so far. This credit card thing is just kubuki theater. Like you say, once the water calms down I bet it goes away, particularly if a number of big chains decide to tell them to **** off. Like someone said before, where does this stop? Are they going to stop processing charges for dangerous food next? Far more people die from obesity related disease than from guns, by a couple orders of magnitude Why don't we just ban everything the ATF people regulate and be Â* done with it. Of the three, I don't know which is Â* deadliest. Greg seems to think that all of our society problems are mutually inclusive, meaning you can only fix 'em if you fix *all* of them at once.Â* It's ok to take one or two at a time. My take on Greg is that he has no interest in anything other than the anti-rule, anti-regulation, anti-societal libertarian nonsense. That means no regulatory efforts to fix anything. Don't like dirty air? Wear a gas mask. Dirty water? Filter it. Too many high-powered guns in the wrong hands? Wear body armor. I like Greg and have respect for his accomplishments, knowledge and technical expertise. But I don't think I've ever come across anyone who can come up with as many reasons why you *can't* do something as he can. It makes me chuckle sometimes. It's a little surprising because usually those with a technical or engineering bent are just the opposite. Tell an engineer he can't do something and he'll spend a lifetime trying to prove you wrong. I lived my life on the other end of that product cycle and I see what engineers can't do. If they weren't wrong so often I would not have had a job. I didn't lose my job because they got any better. It was just because we simply throw away their mistakes and buy a new one instead of trying to fix it. === I think you'd have to concede that the electronics of today are orders of magnitude more reliable than 50 or 60 years ago. Even more importantly, the complex electromechanical devices that IBM was famous for, have mostly been phased out. Very true and one of the reasons in hindsight that I am grateful that I never tried to pursue a career in engineering using discrete components and devices. The basic electronic engineering education I received led to another, more physics related field that I enjoyed very much. I got lucky that ICs were really coming of age just about the time I really got serious about building things. I really like CMOS. If it was not so easy and so reliable, I might have embraced microprocessors. When you add SSRs to the mix, you can get some stuff going. My spa controller is all CMOS with SSRs driving the 2.5HP motor, a 3/4-1/10 2 speed motor and an 11kw heater. The thermostat is an op amp and a thermistor water sensor (Ford part) The whole thing is clocked with a 555. The pool controller is even simpler. An intermatic timer motor with 3 cams on it that operate switches for the time base and the rest is just a clever way to wire toggle switches. It runs the solar, gas heater and pump. I am still thinking about playing with something like a Raspberry PI (or the other one) but I am not sure what I would do with it. Maybe some kind of data acquisition thing like a tide stage sond. I had a plan for one using a PC and a game card, I had the software written but I did not want another PC running all the time. |
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On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 18:12:18 -0500,
wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:22:22 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 14:58:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/24/2018 2:50 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/24/18 2:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/24/2018 2:25 PM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 09:36:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: I'll betcha it's not so much a case of being anti-gun as it is legal beagles recognizing that litigation could extend not only to the shooter, the store that sold him the firearm (already happens) and to the financing agency that made the purchase possible.Â* I'll bet more credit card issuers will start prohibiting the use of their cards for firearm purchases in the future. There is legislation in place that shields sellers and manufacturers. The left really wants to change that but not with much success so far. This credit card thing is just kubuki theater. Like you say, once the water calms down I bet it goes away, particularly if a number of big chains decide to tell them to **** off. Like someone said before, where does this stop? Are they going to stop processing charges for dangerous food next? Far more people die from obesity related disease than from guns, by a couple orders of magnitude Why don't we just ban everything the ATF people regulate and be Â* done with it. Of the three, I don't know which is Â* deadliest. Greg seems to think that all of our society problems are mutually inclusive, meaning you can only fix 'em if you fix *all* of them at once.Â* It's ok to take one or two at a time. My take on Greg is that he has no interest in anything other than the anti-rule, anti-regulation, anti-societal libertarian nonsense. That means no regulatory efforts to fix anything. Don't like dirty air? Wear a gas mask. Dirty water? Filter it. Too many high-powered guns in the wrong hands? Wear body armor. I like Greg and have respect for his accomplishments, knowledge and technical expertise. But I don't think I've ever come across anyone who can come up with as many reasons why you *can't* do something as he can. It makes me chuckle sometimes. It's a little surprising because usually those with a technical or engineering bent are just the opposite. Tell an engineer he can't do something and he'll spend a lifetime trying to prove you wrong. I lived my life on the other end of that product cycle and I see what engineers can't do. If they weren't wrong so often I would not have had a job. I didn't lose my job because they got any better. It was just because we simply throw away their mistakes and buy a new one instead of trying to fix it. === I think you'd have to concede that the electronics of today are orders of magnitude more reliable than 50 or 60 years ago. Even more importantly, the complex electromechanical devices that IBM was famous for, have mostly been phased out. Things are certainly more reliable but when they break, you just cut open the box and replace it. Nobody fixes anything anymore. We got rid of the electromechanical stuff when we got rid of paper. It took 40 years but they are finally doing it. I guess there are still production printers but I doubt check sorters are really much of a thing. They just scan the paper and toss it. These days a check doesn't really have to ever leave your sight. An increasing number of merchants just scan the check and hand it back to you. They may just read the MICR line. I doubt tape is really a thing and disk drives are like BIC lighters. If you have any trouble from them you just throw them away. Most are in RAID arrays and can be hot swapped. |
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