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Tick Tock
On Saturday, 24 February 2018 17:19:51 UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 14:50:08 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/24/18 2:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/24/2018 2:25 PM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 09:36:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: I'll betcha it's not so much a case of being anti-gun as it is legal beagles recognizing that litigation could extend not only to the shooter, the store that sold him the firearm (already happens) and to the financing agency that made the purchase possible.Â* I'll bet more credit card issuers will start prohibiting the use of their cards for firearm purchases in the future. There is legislation in place that shields sellers and manufacturers.. The left really wants to change that but not with much success so far. |
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#43
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Tick Tock
On 2/24/2018 4:22 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 14:58:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/24/2018 2:50 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/24/18 2:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/24/2018 2:25 PM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 09:36:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: I'll betcha it's not so much a case of being anti-gun as it is legal beagles recognizing that litigation could extend not only to the shooter, the store that sold him the firearm (already happens) and to the financing agency that made the purchase possible.Â* I'll bet more credit card issuers will start prohibiting the use of their cards for firearm purchases in the future. There is legislation in place that shields sellers and manufacturers. The left really wants to change that but not with much success so far. This credit card thing is just kubuki theater. Like you say, once the water calms down I bet it goes away, particularly if a number of big chains decide to tell them to **** off. Like someone said before, where does this stop? Are they going to stop processing charges for dangerous food next? Far more people die from obesity related disease than from guns, by a couple orders of magnitude Why don't we just ban everything the ATF people regulate and be Â* done with it. Of the three, I don't know which is Â* deadliest. Greg seems to think that all of our society problems are mutually inclusive, meaning you can only fix 'em if you fix *all* of them at once.Â* It's ok to take one or two at a time. My take on Greg is that he has no interest in anything other than the anti-rule, anti-regulation, anti-societal libertarian nonsense. That means no regulatory efforts to fix anything. Don't like dirty air? Wear a gas mask. Dirty water? Filter it. Too many high-powered guns in the wrong hands? Wear body armor. I like Greg and have respect for his accomplishments, knowledge and technical expertise. But I don't think I've ever come across anyone who can come up with as many reasons why you *can't* do something as he can. It makes me chuckle sometimes. It's a little surprising because usually those with a technical or engineering bent are just the opposite. Tell an engineer he can't do something and he'll spend a lifetime trying to prove you wrong. I lived my life on the other end of that product cycle and I see what engineers can't do. If they weren't wrong so often I would not have had a job. I didn't lose my job because they got any better. It was just because we simply throw away their mistakes and buy a new one instead of trying to fix it. Well that certainly explains it in a nutshell. Fire the engineering department. Don't need it. |
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#44
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Tick Tock
On 2/24/2018 4:18 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 14:39:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/24/2018 2:25 PM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 09:36:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: I'll betcha it's not so much a case of being anti-gun as it is legal beagles recognizing that litigation could extend not only to the shooter, the store that sold him the firearm (already happens) and to the financing agency that made the purchase possible. I'll bet more credit card issuers will start prohibiting the use of their cards for firearm purchases in the future. There is legislation in place that shields sellers and manufacturers. The left really wants to change that but not with much success so far. This credit card thing is just kubuki theater. Like you say, once the water calms down I bet it goes away, particularly if a number of big chains decide to tell them to **** off. Like someone said before, where does this stop? Are they going to stop processing charges for dangerous food next? Far more people die from obesity related disease than from guns, by a couple orders of magnitude Why don't we just ban everything the ATF people regulate and be done with it. Of the three, I don't know which is deadliest. Greg seems to think that all of our society problems are mutually inclusive, meaning you can only fix 'em if you fix *all* of them at once. It's ok to take one or two at a time. Certainly true but why start with the one that causes a few hundred deaths and ignore the ones that cause tens of thousands or even millions? Oh I forgot, they aren't news and the fix would be inconvenient for a lot of people. I give you this. You're amazing. :-) (not trying to bust your chops but I am very, very thankful that not all share your logic.) |
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#45
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Tick Tock
On 2/24/2018 4:27 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/24/2018 1:52 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/24/18 1:34 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/24/2018 1:02 PM, wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 09:36:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: I'll betcha it's not so much a case of being anti-gun as it is legal beagles recognizing that litigation could extend not only to the shooter, the store that sold him the firearm (already happens) and to the financing agency that made the purchase possible.Â* I'll bet more credit card issuers will start prohibiting the use of their cards for firearm purchases in the future. There is legislation in place that shields sellers and manufacturers. The left really wants to change that but not with much success so far. This credit card thing is just kubuki theater. Like you say, once the water calms down I bet it goes away, particularly if a number of big chains decide to tell them to **** off. Like someone said before, where does this stop? Are they going to stop processing charges for dangerous food next? Far more people die from obesity related disease than from guns, by a couple orders of magnitude I'll bet in 2 weeks we won't be discussing AR-15s here either. The subject will die as usual in the media as well once all the funerals are over. Unless there's another mass shooting. Unless?Â* Unless? Yeah. I guess I should have said, "Until". Each week in Chicago and Bulletmore. Just people of color do not seem to count. I really don't have much compassion for gang members shooting each other unless innocents are hurt or killed. I have a *lot* of compassion and concern for nut cases entering schools and killing 15 to 20 innocent kids ranging from 6 to 17 years old. A parent's most important responsibility is the safety and well-being of the kids they bring into this world. I can't begin to imagine the anguish the parents of the recently deceased kids must feel. |
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#46
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Tick Tock
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 12:56:59 -0500, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 09:01:12 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 01:36:45 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 17:03:00 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: One of my points is that the sales data sent doesn't have to identify the merchandise, and even if it does it can be obscured. When Rural King starts losing sales because credit card X won't approve transactions, you can bet they'll fix that in a flash. You'll be buying $479 worth of Purina.  This action is being considered by the banks that issue the credit cards. There's no reason for them to "fix" it if they decide not to honor firearms sales. The merchants and customers are going to be the ones who fix it. Credit card companies court them, not the other way around. If Rural King says I will only honor cards that accept gun sales, they won't have any problem finding bankers who will go along. I am sure there are banks who would love to get NRAs business. I am just not sure how this would really work. If Chase says they will not honor a gun purchase but BoA will, how does the merchant know? The computer won't let the charge go through from that vendor. What will Visa/ MC say about it? Who gets stuck when the charge is denied and the customer has already left the store? The charge is denied when the card is run through the machine. Like others have said, the merchant will just stop sending merchandise details with the charge, assuming they do now. It's not the details of the charge, it's the vendor itself. I know when we had the store, everything was just "merchandise". Visa and MC only got what we entered into the machine and that was what came from the card swipe or manual entry and the amount. That is also all I ever see on my CC receipt, along with the system generated transaction number. If I am making a claim against the credit card company, I need to attach the actual sales receipt with that transaction number on it. You need to go read the article posted by Luddite. So you are saying Visa will stop taking charges from Walmart, not bloody likely. If they do, expect Visa/MC to get some new competition. Makes no difference, WalMart stopped selling 'assault' rifles a while back. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/27/b...us-stores.html |
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#47
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Tick Tock
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 14:58:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/24/2018 2:50 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/24/18 2:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/24/2018 2:25 PM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 09:36:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: I'll betcha it's not so much a case of being anti-gun as it is legal beagles recognizing that litigation could extend not only to the shooter, the store that sold him the firearm (already happens) and to the financing agency that made the purchase possible.* I'll bet more credit card issuers will start prohibiting the use of their cards for firearm purchases in the future. There is legislation in place that shields sellers and manufacturers. The left really wants to change that but not with much success so far. This credit card thing is just kubuki theater. Like you say, once the water calms down I bet it goes away, particularly if a number of big chains decide to tell them to **** off. Like someone said before, where does this stop? Are they going to stop processing charges for dangerous food next? Far more people die from obesity related disease than from guns, by a couple orders of magnitude Why don't we just ban everything the ATF people regulate and be * done with it. Of the three, I don't know which is * deadliest. Greg seems to think that all of our society problems are mutually inclusive, meaning you can only fix 'em if you fix *all* of them at once.* It's ok to take one or two at a time. My take on Greg is that he has no interest in anything other than the anti-rule, anti-regulation, anti-societal libertarian nonsense. That means no regulatory efforts to fix anything. Don't like dirty air? Wear a gas mask. Dirty water? Filter it. Too many high-powered guns in the wrong hands? Wear body armor. I like Greg and have respect for his accomplishments, knowledge and technical expertise. But I don't think I've ever come across anyone who can come up with as many reasons why you *can't* do something as he can. It makes me chuckle sometimes. It's a little surprising because usually those with a technical or engineering bent are just the opposite. Tell an engineer he can't do something and he'll spend a lifetime trying to prove you wrong. I don't believe Greg is arguing 'you can't do it'. I believe he's arguing 'you can do it, but it will make little or no difference'. For the most part, I agree. I don't think banning the sale of 'assault' rifles will stop school shootings. I doubt it will slow them down. I don't think raising the minimum age for purchase will stop school shootings, at least for the next two or three generations. There are too many 'assault' rifles on the streets (eight million by some estimates). And, I agree that further infringement of the 'right to bear arms' will lead to even more attempts for more infringement. (The slippery slope concept.) To say the final goal of many liberals is *not* a banning of firearms is to be naive. |
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#48
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Tick Tock
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 13:26:16 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote: On Saturday, 24 February 2018 17:19:51 UTC-4, wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 14:50:08 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/24/18 2:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/24/2018 2:25 PM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 09:36:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: I'll betcha it's not so much a case of being anti-gun as it is legal beagles recognizing that litigation could extend not only to the shooter, the store that sold him the firearm (already happens) and to the financing agency that made the purchase possible.Â* I'll bet more credit card issuers will start prohibiting the use of their cards for firearm purchases in the future. There is legislation in place that shields sellers and manufacturers. The left really wants to change that but not with much success so far. This credit card thing is just kubuki theater. Like you say, once the water calms down I bet it goes away, particularly if a number of big chains decide to tell them to **** off. Like someone said before, where does this stop? Are they going to stop processing charges for dangerous food next? Far more people die from obesity related disease than from guns, by a couple orders of magnitude Why don't we just ban everything the ATF people regulate and be Â* done with it. Of the three, I don't know which is Â* deadliest. Greg seems to think that all of our society problems are mutually inclusive, meaning you can only fix 'em if you fix *all* of them at once.Â* It's ok to take one or two at a time. My take on Greg is that he has no interest in anything other than the anti-rule, anti-regulation, anti-societal libertarian nonsense. That means no regulatory efforts to fix anything. Don't like dirty air? Wear a gas mask. Dirty water? Filter it. Too many high-powered guns in the wrong hands? Wear body armor. I am sure I am doing more about water quality than anyone else here We should compare quarterly water bills. I end up paying four times the basic water volume rate because of all the added on taxes/charges/fees etc for wastewater processing environmental charges etc. I don't have a water bill. I get mine from a hole in the yard. That is one reason why I am interested in water quality. The other is because I want to protect where I boat. |
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#49
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On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 13:26:16 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:
On Saturday, 24 February 2018 17:19:51 UTC-4, wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 14:50:08 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/24/18 2:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/24/2018 2:25 PM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 09:36:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: I'll betcha it's not so much a case of being anti-gun as it is legal beagles recognizing that litigation could extend not only to the shooter, the store that sold him the firearm (already happens) and to the financing agency that made the purchase possible.* I'll bet more credit card issuers will start prohibiting the use of their cards for firearm purchases in the future. There is legislation in place that shields sellers and manufacturers. The left really wants to change that but not with much success so far. This credit card thing is just kubuki theater. Like you say, once the water calms down I bet it goes away, particularly if a number of big chains decide to tell them to **** off. Like someone said before, where does this stop? Are they going to stop processing charges for dangerous food next? Far more people die from obesity related disease than from guns, by a couple orders of magnitude Why don't we just ban everything the ATF people regulate and be * done with it. Of the three, I don't know which is * deadliest. Greg seems to think that all of our society problems are mutually inclusive, meaning you can only fix 'em if you fix *all* of them at once.* It's ok to take one or two at a time. My take on Greg is that he has no interest in anything other than the anti-rule, anti-regulation, anti-societal libertarian nonsense. That means no regulatory efforts to fix anything. Don't like dirty air? Wear a gas mask. Dirty water? Filter it. Too many high-powered guns in the wrong hands? Wear body armor. I am sure I am doing more about water quality than anyone else here We should compare quarterly water bills. I end up paying four times the basic water volume rate because of all the added on taxes/charges/fees etc for wastewater processing environmental charges etc. How are you improving water quality more than Greg is? |
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#50
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Tick Tock
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 16:29:37 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 2/24/2018 4:22 PM, wrote: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 14:58:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/24/2018 2:50 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/24/18 2:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/24/2018 2:25 PM, justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 09:36:12 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: I'll betcha it's not so much a case of being anti-gun as it is legal beagles recognizing that litigation could extend not only to the shooter, the store that sold him the firearm (already happens) and to the financing agency that made the purchase possible.Â* I'll bet more credit card issuers will start prohibiting the use of their cards for firearm purchases in the future. There is legislation in place that shields sellers and manufacturers. The left really wants to change that but not with much success so far. This credit card thing is just kubuki theater. Like you say, once the water calms down I bet it goes away, particularly if a number of big chains decide to tell them to **** off. Like someone said before, where does this stop? Are they going to stop processing charges for dangerous food next? Far more people die from obesity related disease than from guns, by a couple orders of magnitude Why don't we just ban everything the ATF people regulate and be Â* done with it. Of the three, I don't know which is Â* deadliest. Greg seems to think that all of our society problems are mutually inclusive, meaning you can only fix 'em if you fix *all* of them at once.Â* It's ok to take one or two at a time. My take on Greg is that he has no interest in anything other than the anti-rule, anti-regulation, anti-societal libertarian nonsense. That means no regulatory efforts to fix anything. Don't like dirty air? Wear a gas mask. Dirty water? Filter it. Too many high-powered guns in the wrong hands? Wear body armor. I like Greg and have respect for his accomplishments, knowledge and technical expertise. But I don't think I've ever come across anyone who can come up with as many reasons why you *can't* do something as he can. It makes me chuckle sometimes. It's a little surprising because usually those with a technical or engineering bent are just the opposite. Tell an engineer he can't do something and he'll spend a lifetime trying to prove you wrong. I lived my life on the other end of that product cycle and I see what engineers can't do. If they weren't wrong so often I would not have had a job. I didn't lose my job because they got any better. It was just because we simply throw away their mistakes and buy a new one instead of trying to fix it. Well that certainly explains it in a nutshell. Fire the engineering department. Don't need it. You don't want to fire them but they do need a little more real world experience. That was one of the jobs I had, service planning, in Endicott. Basically we were feeding back how things that worked perfectly in the lab were not doing as well in the customer's office. More on point is a lot of times in the Maps they had useless procedures than never fixed anything but wasted a lot of time and resources. We tried to cut through that clutter. Your "ban military guns" falls into that category. It is a lot of effort for very little return. There are perhaps 50-100 million that would fall into that broad category that are here and not going anywhere. |
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