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On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 13:25:41 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:

On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 11:40:59 AM UTC-5, John H wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 07:55:42 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote:

On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 8:38:47 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2018 7:53 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/22/18 2:42 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:15:49 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/22/18 10:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/22/2018 10:19 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/22/18 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Watching and listening to Wayne Lapierre speak at the CPAC.

Guy is really screwed up, IMO.

He's a perfect candidate to be "Baker-acted."**

Love his idea (well, not his idea) of hardening schools to keep out
the gun nuts. Schools don't have enough $$$ to supply kids with
pencils and paper.

I can certainly understand why opinions on gun control issues are so
divided and so earnestly defended.

Isn't somewhere in the middle a common sense and appropriate for the
times position to take?

While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers,
churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of
having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is
laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings.

I tend to agree but in Florida there is usually only one unlocked door
from the outside, the one in the lobby. Either someone blocked another
door open or this guy came in with the other students, carrying a
rifle. Either are possible I suppose.
I do agree that we need to control the nuts. Eliminating soft targets
is pretty much impossible and eliminating potential weapons will just
be a whack a mole game, simply trying to prevent the last attack, not
the next one.

The Florida school was spread out over more than one building and
apparently there was legitimate student and teacher traffic between the
buildings during the day, so locked door access might have been an issue.

The high school I went to had many exit doors, but only one entrance
door. A side door led to the track and field area, but once the kids got
out there, the only way back in through that door was with the help of a
key one of the teachers or coaches had on his/her person.

All the kids gathered in front of the school in the morning until the
opening bell rang. Then, the front doors opened and a crew of assistant
principals/teachers looked everyone over as the students stormed in. I
suppose a kid could have sneaked in with a revolver, but to the best of
my knowledge, it didn't happen back then.

My dad had a few guns. The pistols were kept in a safe at his store, and
the shotgun was kept locked up at the outdoor sports club where he shot
clays. I didn't even know about one of the handguns until after he died
and I opened the safe. I gave them to one of his long-time buddies, and
I donated the shotgun to the club.

The high school I attended in CT (Amity) had locked doors except the
main ones visible from the main office area. All the other doors and
ground floor windows were locked but it was to keep students *in* not to
keep outsiders from entering. I used to skip the last period study hall
all the time to go to work at the garage I worked at after school. I
didn't try to escape from windows or locked doors. I just walked past
the main office with my books under my arm, waved at the office people
and walked out the door. It's amazing what you can do if you act like
you are supposed to be doing what you are doing. No one ever challenged me.

The main building of the high school I attended in SC back in the 70's was shaped like an "H". There were at least 4 doors that were unlocked all day and you could come and go through any of them. The ones at the ends of the H had no windows directly facing them and couldn't easily be seen by any teacher or the office. For a little while early in my freshman year, I was dropped off at school early in the morning before very many students or teachers were there. I walked up from the parking lot and entered through one of those doors. I freely roamed the halls, put my books in my locker, and wandered back outside to wait on my friends.

Little doubt that things are very different today.

Maybe not in your school, but here they are much different. Even in the little elementary school a
couple blocks down the road the doors are all locked. No entry except through the main door after
being viewed by the secretary and stating your business.

You didn't read to the end, did you? "Little doubt that things are very different today." Nearly 20 years ago when my son was still in school here in SC, things had already changed.

Yes I did. I took that to mean you doubted anything had changed. All in perception.

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