On 2/22/18 12:15 PM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
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While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers,
churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of
having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is
laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings.
...

Really?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...iff/index.html



Ahh, shootouts coming in Ohio public schools of the kind no one wants.
Wonderful.

11:34 AMKeyser Soze
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Ahh, shootouts coming in Ohio public schools of the kind no one wants.
Wonderful.
......

It’s already a one way gun fight, Harry. It might be a bit better than throwing books and staple guns back at the perp.

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 10:27:09 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


11:34 AMKeyser Soze
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Ahh, shootouts coming in Ohio public schools of the kind no one wants.
Wonderful.
.....

It’s already a one way gun fight, Harry. It might be a bit better than throwing books and staple guns back at the perp.
Actually if they had one of these under every desk a shooter might
look for a softer target. Imagine 160 of these babies from 40 kids
coming at your head in 10-20 seconds.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Active%20sh...onse%20kit.jpg
It would be like the "stoning scene" in the life of brian.

wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 10:27:09 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


11:34 AMKeyser Soze
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Ahh, shootouts coming in Ohio public schools of the kind no one wants.
Wonderful.
.....

It’s already a one way gun fight, Harry. It might be a bit better than
throwing books and staple guns back at the perp.
Actually if they had one of these under every desk a shooter might
look for a softer target. Imagine 160 of these babies from 40 kids
coming at your head in 10-20 seconds.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Active%20sh...onse%20kit.jpg
It would be like the "stoning scene" in the life of brian.


Maybe if the kids and teachers were armed like Harry’s picture, Boko Haram
and school shooters would have a hard, short life.

On 2/2/2018 12:34 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/22/18 12:15 PM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
- show quoted text -
While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers,
churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of
having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is
laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings.
...

Really?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...iff/index.html




Ahh, shootouts coming in Ohio public schools of the kind no one wants.
Wonderful.


Watching the second day of meetings with Trump today. He's coming down
hard on the side of arming certain qualified teachers, janitors,
ex-military etc. to create an "offensive" defense. He praises the NRA
although he has differences with what Wayne LaPierre advocated today.
It is obvious he is hell bent for election (pun not intended) to do
something about school mass shootings.

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:58:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/2/2018 12:34 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/22/18 12:15 PM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
- show quoted text -
While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers,
churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of
having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is
laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings.
...

Really?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...iff/index.html




Ahh, shootouts coming in Ohio public schools of the kind no one wants.
Wonderful.


Watching the second day of meetings with Trump today. He's coming down
hard on the side of arming certain qualified teachers, janitors,
ex-military etc. to create an "offensive" defense. He praises the NRA
although he has differences with what Wayne LaPierre advocated today.
It is obvious he is hell bent for election (pun not intended) to do
something about school mass shootings.



Good. Let him do something. I don't recall a case of a teacher shooting a bunch of kids (not that
they wouldn't want to every now and then), so let those qualified be armed - secretly, of course.

On 2/22/2018 4:47 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:58:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/2/2018 12:34 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/22/18 12:15 PM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
- show quoted text -
While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping centers,
churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of
having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is
laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings.
...

Really?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...iff/index.html




Ahh, shootouts coming in Ohio public schools of the kind no one wants.
Wonderful.


Watching the second day of meetings with Trump today. He's coming down
hard on the side of arming certain qualified teachers, janitors,
ex-military etc. to create an "offensive" defense. He praises the NRA
although he has differences with what Wayne LaPierre advocated today.
It is obvious he is hell bent for election (pun not intended) to do
something about school mass shootings.



Good. Let him do something. I don't recall a case of a teacher shooting a bunch of kids (not that
they wouldn't want to every now and then), so let those qualified be armed - secretly, of course.



Given the lack of any other serious options, I have no problem with his
proposal. At least something would be tried.

On 2/22/18 5:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/22/2018 4:47 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:58:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/2/2018 12:34 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/22/18 12:15 PM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
- show quoted text -
While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping
centers,
churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The idea of
having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is
laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings.
...

Really?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...iff/index.html





Ahh, shootouts coming in Ohio public schools of the kind no one wants.
Wonderful.


Watching the second day of meetings with Trump today.Â* He's coming down
hard on the side of arming certain qualified teachers, janitors,
ex-military etc. to create an "offensive"Â* defense.Â*Â* He praises the NRA
although he has differences with what Wayne LaPierre advocated today.
It is obvious he is hell bent for election (pun not intended) to do
something about school mass shootings.



Good. Let him do something. I don't recall a case of a teacher
shooting a bunch of kids (not that
they wouldn't want to every now and then), so let those qualified be
armed - secretly, of course.



Given the lack of any other serious options, I have no problem with his
proposal.Â* At least something would be tried.





Yes, the NRA would love to see more firearms sold, more ammo sold, more
firearms in the hands of more people (teachers) and, hell, if a school
is still shot up, well, there weren't enough armed teachers at that
school, eh? The NRA is not offering a "serious" option.

On 2/22/2018 5:58 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/22/18 5:08 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/22/2018 4:47 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:58:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/2/2018 12:34 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/22/18 12:15 PM, Tim wrote:
Keyser Soze
- show quoted text -
While we are "hardening schools," we'll have to harden shopping
centers,
churches, outdoor concert venues, parking lots, et cetera. The
idea of
having a policeman or armed teaching guarding an entire school is
laughable. Most schools are pretty large, multi-floor buildings.
...

Really?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...iff/index.html





Ahh, shootouts coming in Ohio public schools of the kind no one wants.
Wonderful.


Watching the second day of meetings with Trump today.Â* He's coming down
hard on the side of arming certain qualified teachers, janitors,
ex-military etc. to create an "offensive"Â* defense.Â*Â* He praises the
NRA
although he has differences with what Wayne LaPierre advocated today.
It is obvious he is hell bent for election (pun not intended) to do
something about school mass shootings.



Good. Let him do something. I don't recall a case of a teacher
shooting a bunch of kids (not that
they wouldn't want to every now and then), so let those qualified be
armed - secretly, of course.



Given the lack of any other serious options, I have no problem with
his proposal.Â* At least something would be tried.





Yes, the NRA would love to see more firearms sold, more ammo sold, more
firearms in the hands of more people (teachers) and, hell, if a school
is still shot up, well, there weren't enough armed teachers at that
school, eh? The NRA is not offering a "serious" option.


No serious options are being offered. Even you acknowledged that the
mental health and reporting avenue is too "complex" to address in a
reasonable period of time. Gun lovers won't stand for any kind of
restrictions of their rights. Politicians (even those of your party)
won't touch the subject with a ten foot pole. Lots of talk, then it
dies down until the next mass shooting.

Given the lack of viable, timely and effective options, the best I've
heard so far is reducing the response time from 5 to 10 minutes to less
than a minute. If that means training and arming volunteer teachers and
school administrators, it's better than nothing. Nobody should be
forced or required to be armed. Perhaps volunteer ex-law enforcement or
qualified and well screened ex-military could add to the protection on a
part-time, rotating basis.

There are risks of course. The arriving police may mistake an armed
teacher as a "bad" guy. Maybe some form of easily and quickly identity
confirmation could be conceived.

Not ideal, but better than nothing for now.