On 2/23/2018 2:11 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2018 8:01 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:59:44 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:14:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 1:21 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:33:58 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/22/18 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:57:24 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote:

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.


It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability of most
high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state background
check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have to be 21.
And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to another in
this state doesn't require any state paperwork.

Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the Colt and
the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target shooting is
limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive out to the
Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and their
expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards or less.
A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely.

That is simply rationalizing. Plenty of mass shootings have happened
with 9mms, usually pistols but your assault rifle would do just fine.
The "military style" thing is really a red herring. Your CZ is
certainly "military style" and they will sell you a tactical style
stock for just about anything. You can certainly make a very
"military" looking weapon out of a Mini14 or even a 10-22.


What part is "rationalizing"? The AR-15 is the school shoot up weapon of
choice. Any idiot can buy a long gun privately in many parts of this
country without any background check or waiting period. I didn't mention
"military style." You did.


Richard is stuck on the military thing, along with most of the left.


Yes, I am sure some moron can shoot up a school with a CZ Scorpion, but
a $900 9mm rifle is not a weapon of choice for that sort of "fun."

If that is what they had, that is what they would use. The Columbine
boys used a similar Hi Point carbine.


I am not stuck on the "military thing". The military should have the
most lethal weapons available.

I am stuck on military type AR-15s available for civilian purchase
because they have a record of being the weapons of choice for these mass
shootings more often than not. I don't know why they hold such a
fascination for nut cases who want to go kill a bunch of people but they
do. Maybe it's because they are cheap, heavily marketed and available
as you have pointed out.


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I think the high capacity magazines have a lot to do with it, along
with relatively small size, high power and reliability.

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I'd have no problem with outlawing them also. Again, I don't think it
would be effective, but it
would be 'perceived' as taking action.



More than a ineffective perception, it might be the start of an
awareness that not all guns are suitable or designed for civilian
recreational use. It could be the beginning of a more rational attitude
about firearms without risking 2nd Amendment "rights". I know this
offends many here but I can't think of a legitimate use of a AK-15 style
rifle by recreational shooters other than they are "COOL" to have and
the government, in the interest of the rest of the population, can't do
a damn thing about having one ... or two... or three.






The 2nd amendment was not for hunting.


Oh yeah. It was for a well regulated militia. If you think that refers
to national defense, I guess we can save a lot of money and do away with
the Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force and Coast Guard.

If you interpret that as being a state's right to protect against an
army raised and supported by a tyrannical national government as most
2nd Amendment orientalists (and gun nuts) believe to mean, it really
doesn't matter. If the US Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force and Coast Guard
were ever taken over by a tyrannical national government and turned
against the states and the "well regulated militia" I don't think the
fight would last long.

On 2/23/2018 2:31 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Bill wrote:
True North wrote:
On Friday, 23 February 2018 12:36:05 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
True North wrote:
On Thursday, 22 February 2018 21:58:50 UTC-4, Its Me wrote:
snip...
If you want to lessen the ability of sick people to do these types of
mass shootings, you'll have to strip all firearms from the US. Every
long gun, pistol, shotgun... everything. It'll take decades.
snip...


Bingo! Now you're finally talking sense...didn't know y'all had it in you.
Simple fact...too many Americans just can't be trusted with firearms so
the rest of y'all have to suffer for the common good.


How about you and your firearm? Been a few school shootings and even a
major knife attack in your lands. Get rid of firearms and knives. Oh
yeah, ban rental trucks, they have been used to mow down pedestrians not in
the street. It is a breakdown of society.

I'll have to parrot Mr Luddite and Harry here. The main purpose of a
rental truck is to move things...the main purpose of all your guns is to
kill things. Get it?


The main purpose of the 2nd amendment is to keep government in check.



That’s a laugh.


It meant it then according to the SCOTUS .... or at least they *think*
that's what it meant. Obviously the meaning has been debated for years.

Certainly doesn't apply in today's age but why ruin 38 percent of the
population's wet dreams?

"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 2/22/2018 11:19 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 18:07:07 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Thursday, 22 February 2018 21:58:50 UTC-4, Its Me wrote:
snip...
If you want to lessen the ability of sick people to do these types of mass shootings, you'll have to strip all firearms from the US. Every long gun, pistol, shotgun... everything. It'll take decades.
snip...


Bingo! Now you're finally talking sense...didn't know y'all had it in you.
Simple fact...too many Americans just can't be trusted with firearms so the rest of y'all have to suffer for the common good.

How do you do that? We also have a 5th amendment that says the
government can't just "take" things without just compensation and the
6th amendment says they need to use due process. Even if they could
repeal the second amendment, you still have those nagging problems.



Apparently states can as evidenced by the recent (Feb 1st) ban of bump
stocks and trigger cranks in Massachusetts and the requirement within 90
days to turn over any existing bump stocks/trigger cranks to local or
state police to be destroyed. No compensation and criminal prosecution
including a $10,000 fine and/or subject to incarceration if caught with
either or both after the 90 day period.




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On 2/23/2018 2:58 PM, justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
On 2/22/2018 11:19 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 18:07:07 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

On Thursday, 22 February 2018 21:58:50 UTC-4, Its Me wrote:
snip...
If you want to lessen the ability of sick people to do these types of mass shootings, you'll have to strip all firearms from the US. Every long gun, pistol, shotgun... everything. It'll take decades.
snip...


Bingo! Now you're finally talking sense...didn't know y'all had it in you.
Simple fact...too many Americans just can't be trusted with firearms so the rest of y'all have to suffer for the common good.

How do you do that? We also have a 5th amendment that says the
government can't just "take" things without just compensation and the
6th amendment says they need to use due process. Even if they could
repeal the second amendment, you still have those nagging problems.



Apparently states can as evidenced by the recent (Feb 1st) ban of bump
stocks and trigger cranks in Massachusetts and the requirement within 90
days to turn over any existing bump stocks/trigger cranks to local or
state police to be destroyed. No compensation and criminal prosecution
including a $10,000 fine and/or subject to incarceration if caught with
either or both after the 90 day period.




Send me your guns. I'll watch over them until you can escape from
nannyland.



:-)

Keyser Söze Wrote in message:
wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:28:10 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/23/2018 8:01 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:59:44 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:14:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 1:21 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:33:58 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/22/18 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:57:24 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote:

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.


It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability of most
high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state background
check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have to be 21.
And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to another in
this state doesn't require any state paperwork.

Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the Colt and
the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target shooting is
limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive out to the
Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and their
expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards or less.
A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely.

That is simply rationalizing. Plenty of mass shootings have happened
with 9mms, usually pistols but your assault rifle would do just fine.
The "military style" thing is really a red herring. Your CZ is
certainly "military style" and they will sell you a tactical style
stock for just about anything. You can certainly make a very
"military" looking weapon out of a Mini14 or even a 10-22.


What part is "rationalizing"? The AR-15 is the school shoot up weapon of
choice. Any idiot can buy a long gun privately in many parts of this
country without any background check or waiting period. I didn't mention
"military style." You did.


Richard is stuck on the military thing, along with most of the left.


Yes, I am sure some moron can shoot up a school with a CZ Scorpion, but
a $900 9mm rifle is not a weapon of choice for that sort of "fun."

If that is what they had, that is what they would use. The Columbine
boys used a similar Hi Point carbine.


I am not stuck on the "military thing". The military should have the
most lethal weapons available.

I am stuck on military type AR-15s available for civilian purchase
because they have a record of being the weapons of choice for these mass
shootings more often than not. I don't know why they hold such a
fascination for nut cases who want to go kill a bunch of people but they
do. Maybe it's because they are cheap, heavily marketed and available
as you have pointed out.


===

I think the high capacity magazines have a lot to do with it, along
with relatively small size, high power and reliability.

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I'd have no problem with outlawing them also. Again, I don't think it
would be effective, but it
would be 'perceived' as taking action.



More than a ineffective perception, it might be the start of an
awareness that not all guns are suitable or designed for civilian
recreational use. It could be the beginning of a more rational attitude
about firearms without risking 2nd Amendment "rights". I know this
offends many here but I can't think of a legitimate use of a AK-15 style
rifle by recreational shooters other than they are "COOL" to have and
the government, in the interest of the rest of the population, can't do
a damn thing about having one ... or two... or three.


I could make the same argument about just about any car except a 4
cylinder family sedan. Would you ban sports cars? They have no
function except being cool to have and they kill many times more
people than AR 15s.
Should people have to justify having a truck or SUV with a specific
need?
I guarantee you there are plenty of environmentalists who would sign
on to that legislation. Hard core greenies would ban cars altogether
to save the planet.
The slope really starts getting slippery when you start banning
things, simply because of perceptions,.


There you go again, with your nonsensical comparison of car and gun deaths,
one a transportation device and the other a device whose primary purpose is
to kill. Sheesh.

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On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 10:38:18 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Friday, 23 February 2018 12:36:05 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
True North wrote:
On Thursday, 22 February 2018 21:58:50 UTC-4, Its Me wrote:
snip...
If you want to lessen the ability of sick people to do these types of
mass shootings, you'll have to strip all firearms from the US. Every
long gun, pistol, shotgun... everything. It'll take decades.
snip...


Bingo! Now you're finally talking sense...didn't know y'all had it in you.
Simple fact...too many Americans just can't be trusted with firearms so
the rest of y'all have to suffer for the common good.


How about you and your firearm? Been a few school shootings and even a
major knife attack in your lands. Get rid of firearms and knives. Oh
yeah, ban rental trucks, they have been used to mow down pedestrians not in
the street. It is a breakdown of society.

I'll have to parrot Mr Luddite and Harry here. The main purpose of a rental truck is to move things...the main purpose of all your guns is to kill things. Get it?

We would expect you to parrot Harry. That's why you get paid. You'd be much better off parroting
Ludite more often. You wouldn't be such an ass.

And you're wrong. The main purpose of my guns is not to kill things. 'Purpose' resides with the
owner, not the implement.

Get it?

BTW, what page of your bowrider manual says not to ride in the bow?

On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 12:11:54 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 11:56:22 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:01:16 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:59:44 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:14:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 1:21 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:33:58 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/22/18 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:57:24 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote:

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.


It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability of most
high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state background
check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have to be 21.
And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to another in
this state doesn't require any state paperwork.

Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the Colt and
the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target shooting is
limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive out to the
Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and their
expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards or less.
A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely.

That is simply rationalizing. Plenty of mass shootings have happened
with 9mms, usually pistols but your assault rifle would do just fine.
The "military style" thing is really a red herring. Your CZ is
certainly "military style" and they will sell you a tactical style
stock for just about anything. You can certainly make a very
"military" looking weapon out of a Mini14 or even a 10-22.


What part is "rationalizing"? The AR-15 is the school shoot up weapon of
choice. Any idiot can buy a long gun privately in many parts of this
country without any background check or waiting period. I didn't mention
"military style." You did.


Richard is stuck on the military thing, along with most of the left.


Yes, I am sure some moron can shoot up a school with a CZ Scorpion, but
a $900 9mm rifle is not a weapon of choice for that sort of "fun."

If that is what they had, that is what they would use. The Columbine
boys used a similar Hi Point carbine.


I am not stuck on the "military thing". The military should have the
most lethal weapons available.

I am stuck on military type AR-15s available for civilian purchase
because they have a record of being the weapons of choice for these mass
shootings more often than not. I don't know why they hold such a
fascination for nut cases who want to go kill a bunch of people but they
do. Maybe it's because they are cheap, heavily marketed and available
as you have pointed out.


===

I think the high capacity magazines have a lot to do with it, along
with relatively small size, high power and reliability.

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I'd have no problem with outlawing them also. Again, I don't think it would be effective, but it
would be 'perceived' as taking action.

The problem with the "doing something" mentality is it will never be
enough. Once you start down that road, there will be no end in sight.

When they came for the ARs I said nothing because I did not have an AR
...

Agreed. The mini-14's will be next on the list.

It is not even a question of "next" it is already here. Have Harry,
Richard, Bill or anyone from New York/Jersey list the guns they can't
have now.

On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:58:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/23/2018 2:31 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Bill wrote:
True North wrote:
On Friday, 23 February 2018 12:36:05 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
True North wrote:
On Thursday, 22 February 2018 21:58:50 UTC-4, Its Me wrote:
snip...
If you want to lessen the ability of sick people to do these types of
mass shootings, you'll have to strip all firearms from the US. Every
long gun, pistol, shotgun... everything. It'll take decades.
snip...


Bingo! Now you're finally talking sense...didn't know y'all had it in you.
Simple fact...too many Americans just can't be trusted with firearms so
the rest of y'all have to suffer for the common good.


How about you and your firearm? Been a few school shootings and even a
major knife attack in your lands. Get rid of firearms and knives. Oh
yeah, ban rental trucks, they have been used to mow down pedestrians not in
the street. It is a breakdown of society.

I'll have to parrot Mr Luddite and Harry here. The main purpose of a
rental truck is to move things...the main purpose of all your guns is to
kill things. Get it?


The main purpose of the 2nd amendment is to keep government in check.



That’s a laugh.


It meant it then according to the SCOTUS .... or at least they *think*
that's what it meant. Obviously the meaning has been debated for years.

Certainly doesn't apply in today's age but why ruin 38 percent of the
population's wet dreams?

In today's age we have deviants who will go into schools and kill kids.

The main purpose of the 2d Amendment, in my opinion, is to ensure the right of the people to bear
arms is not infringed. Amen.

On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 12:16:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/23/2018 11:56 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:01:16 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:59:44 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:14:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 1:21 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:33:58 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/22/18 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:57:24 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote:

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.


It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability of most
high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state background
check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have to be 21.
And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to another in
this state doesn't require any state paperwork.

Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the Colt and
the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target shooting is
limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive out to the
Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and their
expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards or less.
A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely.

That is simply rationalizing. Plenty of mass shootings have happened
with 9mms, usually pistols but your assault rifle would do just fine.
The "military style" thing is really a red herring. Your CZ is
certainly "military style" and they will sell you a tactical style
stock for just about anything. You can certainly make a very
"military" looking weapon out of a Mini14 or even a 10-22.


What part is "rationalizing"? The AR-15 is the school shoot up weapon of
choice. Any idiot can buy a long gun privately in many parts of this
country without any background check or waiting period. I didn't mention
"military style." You did.


Richard is stuck on the military thing, along with most of the left.


Yes, I am sure some moron can shoot up a school with a CZ Scorpion, but
a $900 9mm rifle is not a weapon of choice for that sort of "fun."

If that is what they had, that is what they would use. The Columbine
boys used a similar Hi Point carbine.


I am not stuck on the "military thing". The military should have the
most lethal weapons available.

I am stuck on military type AR-15s available for civilian purchase
because they have a record of being the weapons of choice for these mass
shootings more often than not. I don't know why they hold such a
fascination for nut cases who want to go kill a bunch of people but they
do. Maybe it's because they are cheap, heavily marketed and available
as you have pointed out.


===

I think the high capacity magazines have a lot to do with it, along
with relatively small size, high power and reliability.

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I'd have no problem with outlawing them also. Again, I don't think it would be effective, but it
would be 'perceived' as taking action.

The problem with the "doing something" mentality is it will never be
enough. Once you start down that road, there will be no end in sight.

When they came for the ARs I said nothing because I did not have an AR
...



Ah, the 'ol "slippery slope" argument as to why nothing can be done.

I'll risk the slippery slope if it saves even one little kid's life.


Then you better get to work on cars. That is the deadliest thing for
kids in the US. Why not start at the top?
I was actually surprised that even in Bulletmore Murderland with 342
murders last year only 9 were 18 and under and were shot

On 2/23/2018 3:48 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:58:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/23/2018 2:31 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Bill wrote:
True North wrote:
On Friday, 23 February 2018 12:36:05 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
True North wrote:
On Thursday, 22 February 2018 21:58:50 UTC-4, Its Me wrote:
snip...
If you want to lessen the ability of sick people to do these types of
mass shootings, you'll have to strip all firearms from the US. Every
long gun, pistol, shotgun... everything. It'll take decades.
snip...


Bingo! Now you're finally talking sense...didn't know y'all had it in you.
Simple fact...too many Americans just can't be trusted with firearms so
the rest of y'all have to suffer for the common good.


How about you and your firearm? Been a few school shootings and even a
major knife attack in your lands. Get rid of firearms and knives. Oh
yeah, ban rental trucks, they have been used to mow down pedestrians not in
the street. It is a breakdown of society.

I'll have to parrot Mr Luddite and Harry here. The main purpose of a
rental truck is to move things...the main purpose of all your guns is to
kill things. Get it?


The main purpose of the 2nd amendment is to keep government in check.



That’s a laugh.


It meant it then according to the SCOTUS .... or at least they *think*
that's what it meant. Obviously the meaning has been debated for years.

Certainly doesn't apply in today's age but why ruin 38 percent of the
population's wet dreams?

In today's age we have deviants who will go into schools and kill kids.

The main purpose of the 2d Amendment, in my opinion, is to ensure the right of the people to bear
arms is not infringed. Amen.



Well, that opens up the age old debate, but your opinion is as good as
anyone else's. Only issue I have with your opinion is you have left out
the reason *why* the founding father's deemed it a right.