On 2/22/18 3:59 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/22/2018 3:22 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:14:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 1:21 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:33:58 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/22/18 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:57:24 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote:

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid
problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC
line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest
scope
of thought.


It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability of
most
high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state
background
check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have to
be 21.
And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to another in
this state doesn't require any state paperwork.

Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the
Colt and
the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target shooting is
limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive out
to the
Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and their
expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards or
less.
A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely.

That is simply rationalizing. Plenty of mass shootings have happened
with 9mms, usually pistols but your assault rifle would do just fine.
The "military style" thing is really a red herring. Your CZ is
certainly "military style" and they will sell you a tactical style
stock for just about anything. You can certainly make a very
"military" looking weapon out of a Mini14 or even a 10-22.


What part is "rationalizing"? The AR-15 is the school shoot up
weapon of
choice. Any idiot can buy a long gun privately in many parts of this
country without any background check or waiting period. I didn't
mention
"military style." You did.


Richard is stuck on the military thing, along with most of the left.


Yes, I am sure some moron can shoot up a school with a CZ Scorpion,
but
a $900 9mm rifle is not a weapon of choice for that sort of "fun."

If that is what they had, that is what they would use. The Columbine
boys used a similar Hi Point carbine.


I am not stuck on the "military thing".Â* The military should have the
most lethal weapons available.

I am stuck on military type AR-15s available for civilian purchase
because they have a record of being the weapons of choice for these mass
shootings more often than not.Â*Â* I don't know why they hold such a
fascination for nut cases who want to go kill a bunch of people but they
do.Â* Maybe it's because they are cheap, heavily marketed and available
as you have pointed out.

If restricting their sales would reduce the cowardly mass shooting of
innocent people, including children by making them less desirable, I am
all for it.


First off "banning" something just makes it more desirable not less
but if every AR in the country disappeared, a person who wanted to
kill a lot of people would buy a cheap AK47 clone or a Mini 14. That
is basically the same gun down range. The AK actually shoots a bigger
bullet but the ammo is just as cheap and there are plenty of
magazines, up to 100 rounds or so. That was the evil gun in 1993-4. It
just fell out of favor.
I bet in the private market they were not getting more than $250 300
for them a couple weeks ago but I am sure they are more now.
You really don't see a lot of those old thumb hole models around but
they sold a couple million during the ban so I am sure there are
plenty gathering dust somewhere.



So, give up, huh?Â* I guess nothing can be done to prevent children from
being murdered on a regular basis.Â* I guess we just have to get used to
it, right?

I don't care about all the technical data on any particular weapon.Â* The
only thing I am interested in is which one is used most often in these
mass killings.Â* No need for them to be so easily obtained and used.





It is the Libertarian philosophy...don't do anything.

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/22/18 3:59 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/22/2018 3:22 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:14:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2018 1:21 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:33:58 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/22/18 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:57:24 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote:

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid
problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC
line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest
scope
of thought.


It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability of
most
high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state
background
check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have to
be 21.
And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to another in
this state doesn't require any state paperwork.

Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the
Colt and
the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target shooting is
limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive out
to the
Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and their
expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards or
less.
A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely.

That is simply rationalizing. Plenty of mass shootings have happened
with 9mms, usually pistols but your assault rifle would do just fine.
The "military style" thing is really a red herring. Your CZ is
certainly "military style" and they will sell you a tactical style
stock for just about anything. You can certainly make a very
"military" looking weapon out of a Mini14 or even a 10-22.


What part is "rationalizing"? The AR-15 is the school shoot up
weapon of
choice. Any idiot can buy a long gun privately in many parts of this
country without any background check or waiting period. I didn't
mention
"military style." You did.


Richard is stuck on the military thing, along with most of the left.


Yes, I am sure some moron can shoot up a school with a CZ Scorpion,
but
a $900 9mm rifle is not a weapon of choice for that sort of "fun."

If that is what they had, that is what they would use. The Columbine
boys used a similar Hi Point carbine.


I am not stuck on the "military thing".Â* The military should have the
most lethal weapons available.

I am stuck on military type AR-15s available for civilian purchase
because they have a record of being the weapons of choice for these mass
shootings more often than not.Â*Â* I don't know why they hold such a
fascination for nut cases who want to go kill a bunch of people but they
do.Â* Maybe it's because they are cheap, heavily marketed and available
as you have pointed out.

If restricting their sales would reduce the cowardly mass shooting of
innocent people, including children by making them less desirable, I am
all for it.


First off "banning" something just makes it more desirable not less
but if every AR in the country disappeared, a person who wanted to
kill a lot of people would buy a cheap AK47 clone or a Mini 14. That
is basically the same gun down range. The AK actually shoots a bigger
bullet but the ammo is just as cheap and there are plenty of
magazines, up to 100 rounds or so. That was the evil gun in 1993-4. It
just fell out of favor.
I bet in the private market they were not getting more than $250 300
for them a couple weeks ago but I am sure they are more now.
You really don't see a lot of those old thumb hole models around but
they sold a couple million during the ban so I am sure there are
plenty gathering dust somewhere.



So, give up, huh?Â* I guess nothing can be done to prevent children from
being murdered on a regular basis.Â* I guess we just have to get used to
it, right?

I don't care about all the technical data on any particular weapon.Â* The
only thing I am interested in is which one is used most often in these
mass killings.Â* No need for them to be so easily obtained and used.





It is the Libertarian philosophy...don't do anything.


It is the Liberal philosophy...do something, even if it makes no sense, or
will make the problem worse. As long as the government grows.

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 18:01:43 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

It is the Libertarian philosophy...don't do anything.

As opposed to the democrat philosophy, look like you are doing
something but be totally ineffective.